S01.E13: 7:00 P.M.

[AstridM]

9 hours ago, circumvent said:

Anyone in the US? Firearms are easier to get than some allergy medications

Easier to get than prescription contact lenses 😢

[JeanJean]

On 3/27/2025 at 10:31 PM, txhorns79 said:

I did think he went way overboard.  I honestly thought someone would say something to him that she was gone and there were too many other patients to continue spending time on her.   

I'm pretty sure Abbott told him they could lose ten other patients in the time Robby futilely was trying to save her.

[Sarah 103]

14 hours ago, circumvent said:

The law is not that forgiving. They go by procedure and don't really care if the person is saving lives. They could throw int here that there was an officer and try to make a case but they would certainly try to punish her.

I didn't say they wouldn't try to arrest or that she shouldn't be punished. I just can't picture her being arrested and taken away from the hospital in the middle of the crisis with everything going on around her. The hospital absolutely needs every medical person there. I'm sure they can make some kind of deal, even if it's she gets arrested/taken away in handcuffs after she's done with work. 

7 hours ago, rwlevin said:

I also wanted to add that she was making plans to hang out with Mateo during the weekend and she’s not getting the monitor off for like another week so I don’t think she has house arrest exactly but I don’t know how ankle monitors work.

This is a guess based mostly on pure speculation. If someone from law enforcement or is law enforcement adjacent knows more, please correct me.

My Working Theory: McKay has a radius and that the house where Chad, Harrison, and Chloe live is outside her radius. However, depending on the size of her radius, there may be entertainment, leisure, shopping that is within her radius. She can have a limited social life outside of work. 

[JeanJean]

On 3/27/2025 at 10:35 PM, Notabug said:

When someone has PTSD and starts spiralng, they can lose their grip over even the simplest thing.  Anything that somehow triggers their traumatic memories will do it; even something that seems completely unrelated to the initial incident.   In Robby's case, the events have been piling up all day, and it just so happened that the girlfriend's death was the final straw.  The fact that he clearly loves Jake and was devastated to see him suffering was more than enough.  I'm sure his efforts to save the girl which went well beyond the typical resuscitation even without a mass casualty, was also part of his PTSD.   Just like with his mentor, the ER was overwhelmed and a patient who might've been saved had they not been so busy was lost.

Back on ER, NW's character, Carter, was stabbed by a patient and almost died.  The medical student he was working with died in the same incident.  Months later, we saw Carter clearly disturbed and probably having a flashback just looking at a bread knife in his grandmother's kitchen.  That happens in real life.

 

A beloved family member was stabbed to death and now just looking at knives makes me very uneasy.

[Cheyanne11]

On 3/28/2025 at 7:10 AM, SeanBug said:

And also agree, there's Noah Wyle's Emmy, that last scene, along with the entire first season. 

Him unraveling and talking about how he'll remember every patient he lost that day, and taking us through the fatalities from the first 11 episodes, was crushing.  

[Boofish]

I hate Santos more than I hate those men chasing Teonna on 1923. Please let her get fired for ANYTHING when this shift is over.

[Infie]

14 hours ago, rwlevin said:

Yes, she’s a second year and Santos is an intern. But this is still her first shift in the ER. Working in the ER is super different than working on the wards. That’s why when you compare her to McKay who is also a second year, McKay is a lot more competent. She’s been in the ER the whole time.

I was referring to Santos repeatedly ignoring King's direction.  I was checking my memory as to whether they were on the same seniority level, which could explain why it seems to be ignored.  

[statsgirl]

King was put in charge of an area (yellow?) with Santos and Whittaker under her. Yes, Santos repeatedly ignored what King told her. At one point Santos finished with the patient and asked what's next. Mohan (3rd year) told her to monitor the patient that they had just brought back with Narcan. Santos replied "Boring" and went off to look for something more exciting.

Santos is, in the parlance of my youth, "a cowboy". More an adrenaline junkie than Langdon who at least will treat everyone who needs treatment. She wants to fly before she can walk and she wants the glory of being the top. It's unfortunate that Abbott reinforced her because while it was a kickass job that she did, Santos is going to hurt someone skipping steps the way she does.

This episode felt longer than the last one even though technically it was shorter.

I liked that the woman with the arm injury even though her actual injury was not so bad was in shock. The WWI term "shell shocked" is a good descriptor.

 

12 hours ago, kitkat343 said:

 I was a little sad she didn't cut the thing off and hand it to one of the many police waiting on the injured cop and told them to call the monitoring station and deal with it, because if she doesn't respond she really can get in trouble and it will be harder for her to fix than the cops.  

That would have been a much better way to have handled it, although I can understand that she was too stressed to be able to think outside the box like that. (Also I don't trust that one of the cops wouldn't have arrested her on the spot.)

[circumvent]

6 hours ago, statsgirl said:

King was put in charge of an area (yellow?) with Santos and Whittaker under her. Yes, Santos repeatedly ignored what King told her.

There was at least one moment when she was following instructions from King. 

I want to believe that the producers did do their research and talked to people about a situation like this. My guess is that nothing is as it should be, the adrenaline is too high, people are just looking for the most serious cases to try and save. Mistakes will be made but possibly never really acknowledge because the chaos is overwhelming.

We still don't know what happened to Myrna. She should have been shipped somewhere else, the clinic or upstairs but then why was someone asking where she was?

[lianau]

7 hours ago, statsgirl said:

 

Santos is, in the parlance of my youth, "a cowboy". More an adrenaline junkie than Langdon who at least will treat everyone who needs treatment. She wants to fly before she can walk and she wants the glory of being the top. It's unfortunate that Abbott reinforced her because while it was a kickass job that she did, Santos is going to hurt someone skipping steps the way she does.

 

She's the definition of "knowing just enough to be dangerous"

[b4pjoe]

I'm still going with the theory that the shooter is Doug Driscoll doing it as punishment to the ER staff.

[Sarah 103]

17 hours ago, Infie said:

I was referring to Santos repeatedly ignoring King's direction.  I was checking my memory as to whether they were on the same seniority level, which could explain why it seems to be ignored.  

To clarify, they are not on the same seniority level. Mel King is a second year resident. She has been going through different departments as a part of her medical training/education for her chosen speciality. She has been out of medical school for a year.   

Santos is an intern. She has only recently graduated medical school. I think Langdon mentioned it's only been a few months since she's been out of medical school (He has a line where he reminds her she's only been practicing medicine for 60 or 90 days).

Santos is ignoring King because Santos has a massively inflated ego. She thinks she knows what is best and does not have to listen to people with more experience or who she reports to in the chain of command.  

9 hours ago, circumvent said:

I want to believe that the producers did do their research and talked to people about a situation like this. My guess is that nothing is as it should be, the adrenaline is too high, people are just looking for the most serious cases to try and save. Mistakes will be made but possibly never really acknowledge because the chaos is overwhelming.

That sounds right to me. There is a plan, there are procedures in place for the crisis situation, and then the real life crisis happens and things have to change based on necessity.

If anyone on the board has actual experience with something like this, please feel free to chime and correct me. 

[marceline]

On 3/29/2025 at 6:06 AM, circumvent said:

I don't think so. It would be a big stretch. She is there to either show the different ways people are affected or she will be the one able to identify the shooter, maybe. 

Yeah I don't know why people think it's anything other than shock.  Also, a middle-aged woman being a mass shooter is completely unrealistic. There's a reason David fits the profile. That said, David is an idiot. The way he just walked up to the hospital telling people he was there to pick up his mom. Look around, simpleton. This is a mass casualty situation.

[circumvent]

1 hour ago, marceline said:

Yeah I don't know why people think it's anything other than shock.  Also, a middle-aged woman being a mass shooter is completely unrealistic. There's a reason David fits the profile. That said, David is an idiot. The way he just walked up to the hospital telling people he was there to pick up his mom. Look around, simpleton. This is a mass casualty situation.

It s not just the demographics. It would be a stretch because a mass shooter is either having a crisis and does something impulsive and devastating, which in most cases would lead them to kill themselves; or they do the impulsive thing and get shocked but then would likely change the attitude, not remaining shocked and  looking distressed. Maybe trying to conceal by over-acting some pain or talk too much, or something that they would believe could distract anyone from looking into them; or they are sociopaths/psychopaths, in which case they would not be able to disguise their elation with the results of their carnage.

If the writers decide togo with the woman, then the show would lose points on my personal meter of quality writing.

As for David, I guess they made him go to the hospital for the dramatic scenes. He would likely know about the shooting so it makes no sense that he walks in the hospital as if nothing is happening - which I think is your point. A silly attempt coming from the writers to make us believe he is the shooter.

My guess is that the shooter will be caught off camera and we will just hear that they got the shooter. I don't want to see a law enforcement procedural.

[tennisgurl]

How does every episode of this show end so quickly, but I'm exhausted by the end of it? Especially now that we've entered the extra intense part of the show after dealing with this shooting and the crazy amount of physical and emotional fall out. 

We could have called this episode "Noah Wyle gets an Emmy" because this is absolutely what should get him the win. He's been great the whole show but this was a real showcase as he finally broke down over not only this terrible day but everything that has happened. I knew it was coming, he has clearly been doing Not Good all day, but this shooting and not being able to save Leah finally pushed him over the edge. You can tell that a breakdown very long time coming.

I don't wish suffering on some poor random supporting character, but I am going to need to see Santos get a big fail and a slice of humble pie real soon, hopefully it doesn't have to involve an innocent patient dying. Maybe she accuses yet another person of being a drug addict or something and this time she's totally wrong? Santos feels like a character from another kind of medical show that accidently ended up here, the way the narrative works around her doesn't fit. You have every other character who feel like real people living in a real world who feel real consequences for what they do, and then you have Santos, a classic "snarky asshole who we keep around because they're always right" character who can act like a huge dick to everyone and break all the rules but is always proven to be right and gets validated. 

Edited April 1 by tennisgurl

[MamaMax]

On 3/29/2025 at 12:41 PM, rwlevin said:

It sounded like Chloe got some kind of restraining order on McKay so my theory is that Chloe pressed charges for stalking or something like that and the ankle bracelet was part of a plea deal.

 

I also wanted to add that she was making plans to hang out with Mateo during the weekend and she’s not getting the monitor off for like another week so I don’t think she has house arrest exactly but I don’t know how ankle monitors work.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that McKay punched  Chloe in the face and that's the whole story. Assault charge, restraining order, custody issues all stemming form that. 

 

I suspect the shooter will be dead by the end of the day, by their own hand or  by police. 

[anna0852]

17 minutes ago, MamaMax said:

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that McKay punched  Chloe in the face and that's the whole story. Assault charge, restraining order, custody issues all stemming form that. 

 

I suspect the shooter will be dead by the end of the day, by their own hand or  by police. 

That wouldn’t surprise me either. I also wouldn’t be surprised if her ex, now having seen her in action and understanding this part of her life a little bit better, becomes a lot more cooperative regarding custody and keeping his new girlfriend in check.

[Carolina Girl]

On 3/28/2025 at 4:03 AM, wknt3 said:

We don't really know anything about the timeline and the details of the shooting and we probably never will. And not all of the injuries are GSWs since there are also people being trampled, the OD, etc. I would say there are unfortunately plenty of real world examples to draw from that say things that shouldn't be able to happen do. Heck there was a shooting at an outdoor event in PA in the past year that we would call terrible writing if it had happened on TV...

Also remember that people were driving themselves to the hospital, as apparently it was the closest trama center.  Even if you shows up with a minor wound, you got a slap band and a number.  

[statsgirl]

On 3/30/2025 at 6:04 AM, circumvent said:

There was at least one moment when she was following instructions from King.

Maybe more than I, I can't quite remember. But it's not up to Santos to decide which orders she follows and which are too "boring".

11 hours ago, marceline said:

That said, David is an idiot. The way he just walked up to the hospital telling people he was there to pick up his mom. Look around, simpleton. This is a mass casualty situation.

To be fair, he is a teenage boy. Not being aware of what is going on for other people is SOP.

[Infie]

I feel like the shooter was the kid with the phone who was recording everyone. 

[circumvent]

6 hours ago, Infie said:

I feel like the shooter was the kid with the phone who was recording everyone. 

I think it was established that he was a reporter. It wasn't a kid either, but a full grown man

[Rapunzel]

On 3/28/2025 at 1:09 PM, lianau said:

I think they are probably setting her up for one major fall in  form of a dead patient. So far she's gotten away with her recklessness and that has only emboldened her further.

I know all the residents and students want to get difficult, more complex procedures under their belt as, if they perform them correctly, they can be seen as a standout amongst their peers and are trying to get their pick of departments to go to eventually. It’s a highly competitive environment where one mistake can mean irreversible harm or even death. I think Santos trying to hunt down more complicated procedures is sickening as she really only seems to care about her career. She needs to become more well rounded and realize that it is a human being she is working on - she’s not playing the game “Operation.” I  think she will fall hard at some point. She’ll try to do a procedure that is out of her depth- and rather than get help quickly, she is arrogant enough to think she can save the patient on her own without help from her senior doctors. She’s just way too annoying and she shouldn’t be putting procedures first.

[CarpeFelis]

On 3/27/2025 at 7:31 PM, txhorns79 said:

I agree.  Aside from his own injury, I don't think there was a drop of blood on him.

He wouldn’t necessarily have blood on him unless he shot someone at close range. That said, I doubt he’s the shooter.

On 3/28/2025 at 7:19 AM, gibasi said:

Why can't Santos fail just once! I hope that she has an epic fail in the sesaon finale.

Same. And I keep wondering how she knows how to do the procedures she isn’t supposed to be doing on her own, especially since she’s just out of med school and shouldn’t know any more than Whitaker or Javadi. Seems kind of suspicious.

[Sarah 103]

6 hours ago, CarpeFelis said:

And I keep wondering how she knows how to do the procedures she isn’t supposed to be doing on her own, especially since she’s just out of med school and shouldn’t know any more than Whitaker or Javadi. Seems kind of suspicious.

She should know more than Whitaker or Javadi because she has at least finished and successfully graduated from medical school while Whitaker or Javadi are still in medical school. You do have a valid point; aside from Whitaker or Javadi she has the least knowledge and experience of the main characters.    

[90sfan]

I think it's more likely Santos would have a fail in the 2nd season. Realistically her attitude is something that catches up with you over time and not necessarily on her first shift. Although not any less realistic than her figuring Landon out in just a few hours.

I kept waiting for the way she threatened that father of alleged abuse would come back to bite her. Now that there's this mass casualty event, I don't think that's likely to happen this season but it was definitely a line she should not have crossed. That, plus also talking to the daughter directly about the potential abuse.

[Infie]

On 4/1/2025 at 4:51 AM, circumvent said:

I think it was established that he was a reporter. It wasn't a kid either, but a full grown man

No - Santos said she thought he might be a reporter, but there was no establishment of anything. 

[marybennet]

On 4/1/2025 at 3:51 AM, circumvent said:

I think it was established that he was a reporter. It wasn't a kid either, but a full grown man

 

13 hours ago, Infie said:

No - Santos said she thought he might be a reporter, but there was no establishment of anything. 

Yes, and I guess I read the person as some annoying person who was going for internet fame with atrocity videos.

[amarante]

On 3/28/2025 at 11:34 AM, Sarah 103 said:

I love this idea. I have no idea why it didn't occur to me to make the night shift a spin-off. From HBO's perspective, you already have the sets and props. A good chunk of the creative team (writers, directors, producers, costume, hair and make-up and anyone else that I'm forgetting) probably wouldn't mind an extra 15 weeks or so of paid work, and if someone isn't interested working onThe Pitt: Night Shift, I'm sure HBO/MAX can find someone/people who would love the job.

Because there can be such a huge gap (multiple years) between seasons on streaming platforms, keep the same name but alternate between day shift and night shift. One year it's day shift, the next year it's night shift. That way people don't forget about the series because there's always a version to watch every year with the same title.  

   

New York Magazine had an extended interview with Casey Boys who is Chairman and CEO of HBO and MAX Content.

They very deliberately wanted to create something that was more equivalent to a network type of show but with the kind of content that is more "streamer" like.

So there are deliberately 15 episodes instead of the standard 10. The budget while obviously not cheap was intended to enable them to do 15 episodes versus the kind of extremely expensive programming like Game of Thrones - which obviously also has its place.

They also deliberately are going to operate with a hiatus that is more typical of network with the new season dropping in December instead of several years from now.

https://www.vulture.com/article/the-pitt-max-casey-bloys-interview.html?_gl=1*16zn6a4*FPAU*MzM2OTQwMzAyLjE3Mzc0MDczOTU.*_ga*MTgyNjM1OTMxMC4xNzQzMDMwNzA5*_ga_DNE38RK1HX*MTc0MzY5NTIxMy40LjEuMTc0MzY5NjI3Ni4wLjAuMTg3NzEyNzkzMA..*_fplc*cyUyQkhaTlQxUzRWUnRVJTJCME1YRzBOJTJGekw1eHRlRXhDRU1IZ09PJTJGN0RGSWdlZDM3blZVTVhxNnpNUVB0d01uaWxOdmtGNE03ZEpnYVlLeTBHd2REUEZEbjZYWmwwUjZTRUFGT2h1QXNYTnRrQ1VlT1pTdFlkajdDZCUyQnFjb2pIZyUzRCUzRA..

[AstridM]

13 minutes ago, amarante said:

New York Magazine had an extended interview with Casey Boys who is Chairman and CEO of HBO and MAX Content.

They very deliberately wanted to create something that was more equivalent to a network type of show but with the kind of content that is more "streamer" like.

So there are deliberately 15 episodes instead of the standard 10. The budget while obviously not cheap was intended to enable them to do 15 episodes versus the kind of extremely expensive programming like Game of Thrones - which obviously also has its place.

They also deliberately are going to operate with a hiatus that is more typical of network with the new season dropping in December instead of several years from now.

https://www.vulture.com/article/the-pitt-max-casey-bloys-interview.html?_gl=1*16zn6a4*FPAU*MzM2OTQwMzAyLjE3Mzc0MDczOTU.*_ga*MTgyNjM1OTMxMC4xNzQzMDMwNzA5*_ga_DNE38RK1HX*MTc0MzY5NTIxMy40LjEuMTc0MzY5NjI3Ni4wLjAuMTg3NzEyNzkzMA..*_fplc*cyUyQkhaTlQxUzRWUnRVJTJCME1YRzBOJTJGekw1eHRlRXhDRU1IZ09PJTJGN0RGSWdlZDM3blZVTVhxNnpNUVB0d01uaWxOdmtGNE03ZEpnYVlLeTBHd2REUEZEbjZYWmwwUjZTRUFGT2h1QXNYTnRrQ1VlT1pTdFlkajdDZCUyQnFjb2pIZyUzRCUzRA..

Since when is 10 episodes the standard for tv?

[Notabug]

2 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Since when is 10 episodes the standard for tv?

It's fairly standard for streaming platforms' series, not the major networks.

[AstridM]

4 minutes ago, Notabug said:

It's fairly standard for streaming platforms' series, not the major networks.

Those seem to vary quite a bit. But I do watch lots of international TV, not just American series. 

[amarante]

3 hours ago, AstridM said:

Since when is 10 episodes the standard for tv?

 

3 hours ago, AstridM said:

Those seem to vary quite a bit. But I do watch lots of international TV, not just American series. 

10 Episodes is standard for streaming services and some are only 8

 

3 hours ago, AstridM said:

Those seem to vary quite a bit. But I do watch lots of international TV, not just American series. 

I subscribe to Acorn and Britbox and their series are sometimes less than 10 for a "season"

These are typically UK, Australian or NZ.

The British ones seem to have very short "seasons" although some of the older "traditional" ones might be 13.

 

[Sarah 103]

6 hours ago, AstridM said:

Since when is 10 episodes the standard for tv?

These are for U.S Based shows:

Broadcast/Network season is around 20 episodes.

Cable season is around 13-15 episodes

Streaming season is around 8-10 episodes.