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The View: Week of 1/20/2025


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5 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Is she afraid Trump might cause her harm in some way?  Join the club honey.

 

I think a lot of people are afraid of this.  Not that they did anything wrong, but the misery he puts people through is terrifying and costly.  Ask Kathy Griffin.  She did nothing wrong but offend him and her life was hell for years. Whether you like her or not, she is a citizen who was targeted.  More coming, I'm afraid.

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49 minutes ago, atomic said:

What she said was actually Coast Guard, not post office.

That makes more sense! I don't know why I heard Post Office. 

This is what I read about that:

"But a senior department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Fagan was fired because she failed to address border security and meet recruiting and retention goals, mismanaged acquisitions and lost trust with the force in her handling of the cover-up of a sexual assault scandal at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy in New London, Conn."

Read more at: https://www.stripes.com/branches/coast_guard/2025-01-21/coast-guard-commandant-fagan-fired-16555947.html
Source - Stars and Stripes

 

"Her tenure has been clouded by the service's Operation Fouled Anchor investigation, the news of which broke in June 2023. While Fagan ordered a top-down review of the service's policies and culture toward sexual assault and harassment, she consistently declined to hold anyone accountable until the conclusion of a Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General investigation into the scandal."

Like most cases, there are conflicting opinions, but it does seem that the CG Academy didn't adequately address sexual assault reports for years. 

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1 hour ago, Haleth said:

As usual Alyssa is full of shit. 47% of R voters are excited about trump’s policies?  Yeah?  How many of them are already wondering when he’s going to do something about the cost of food?

She needs to clarify which policies. Economic policies?  Mass deportation policy?  Solving inflation on day one?  Because he failed at that one.

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Alyssa actually said that Trump is more popular than ever because he has a 47% approval rating. What she failed to mention is that's actually historically low for a first day approval rating (where presidents typically enjoy an initial honeymoon period from the public). In fact, the only lower starting approval rate in modern U.S. history belongs to none other than.......Donald J. Trump with 45% in 2017.

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Trump's rating was low by historical standards, said Jacob Rubashkin, a political analyst at Inside Elections. U.S. presidents typically start their term with approval ratings above 50%. “Yes, it's positive for Trump, but it's roughly in line with what we saw in the first term – a historically low approval rating at the outset of a presidency,” Rubashkin said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-starts-new-term-with-47-approval-jan-6-pardons-unpopular-reutersipsos-poll-2025-01-21/

 

 

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6 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

The guest list is getting longer by the day. 

Along with the excuses ... surprising excuses on all kinds of TrumpOptics from some surprising places.

24 minutes ago, atomic said:

Alyssa actually said that Trump is more popular than ever because he has a 47% approval rating.

Maybe a regular VIEW segment could be Alyssa's presenting President Trump's daily ratings.

1 hour ago, atomic said:

Alyssa actually said that Trump is more popular than ever because he has a 47% approval rating. What she failed to mention is that's actually historically low for a first day approval rating (where presidents typically enjoy an initial honeymoon period from the public). In fact, the only lower starting approval rate in modern U.S. history belongs to none other than.......Donald J. Trump with 45% in 2017.

 

Context matters.   As a former communications director she should know that.

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1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

Context matters.   As a former communications director she should know that.

Oh she knows, she just doesn't care. Straight away today one the first talking point she was asked a question & didn't answer it but went off on some tangent about how she didn't vote for Trump (I still think she's lying) but yada yada, and then got upset when Joy interrupted her to say you haven't answered the question & she went straight back to het yada yada about her own talking point but with a pissed off look. 

Whoever the moderator is should keep stopping her whenever she does this until she actually answers the question posed to her. Hopefully tomorrow someone asks her about the pardoned felons saying there will definitely be retribution for them being sent to prison.

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16 hours ago, Mollywolly555 said:

What wd you call it? 

Every time I've heard him speak, since becoming  the VP candidate, I find his uber-conservatism to be truly frightening.  Plus his lack of political/governmental experience, or much else,  besides writing an autobio book and then being bought by a real billionaire, is concerning to say the least. He was raised evangelical. Enough said.

Why does he make his wife, who is a practicing Hindu, attend his church with him every Sunday? 

I was raised Catholic, had mass everyday except Saturday, parochial school, etc. I left in my late 30s. I go to/volunteer at an inspirational Unity church now.  I attend my old Catholic church when I go back to visit family about 2/3 times a year. I find it very anachronisticnow, and frankly kind of boring. I don't think I've ever heard a spiritually rousing sermon there. 

Vance did not look interested nor intent join the talk, IMHO. 

Oh, I agree it certainly wasn't a charitable Christian look. I didn't want to get into my feelings about Vance as I was afraid it might be too off topic but I agree with your whole post. There are quite a number of very interesting articles about Vance and his 'conversion', like this one. https://slate.com/life/2024/08/jd-vance-tim-walz-trump-kamala-religion.html  J.D. Vance Used to Be an Atheist. What He Believes Now Is Telling. He’s not an evangelical Christian. He’s a Catholic—of a very specific type.

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16 hours ago, Dimity said:

Has there ever been a president so blatantly profiting from being in the Oval office?  Not once he's left which most of them do parlay into some form of income (speeches, chairmanships,  writing books...) I mean lining their pocket while "serving" their country.  It's disgusting.

Maybe not a president, but the recent VP/hubby just made over 30 million dollars via insider trading.

14 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Ask Kathy Griffin.  She did nothing wrong but offend him and her life was hell for years.

She did nothing wrong?!?? Holding a bloody, severed head of a president is hardly "nothing wrong". She said it was a 'joke', but the public didn't find it funny. And I'd bet my last dollar that you wouldn't find it funny either if the severed head was Kamala Harris or Joe Biden.

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5 minutes ago, HerkyJerky said:

I follow the news pretty closely and this is the first time I’ve heard of that. Is that because of the liberal media? Is there a credible source that I can look at to verify that statement?

I heard about it from someone who follows different media, but I'm beginning to think that person might have meant Nancy Pelosi. Here's a link per your request:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/30/facebook-posts/no-evidence-nancy-pelosi-made-millions-insider-cor/

Political figures have been hung in effigy for years. Not even a a joke. 

Kathy Griffin was used as an warning to others. 

So what about the makeshift gallows built at the Capitol for VP Pence (and any one else the Capitol terrorists could find that day ....also not a joke) was ok because they were exonerated by Trump? 

Political cartoonist have a field day with every one of both partoes in the public eye.  Freedom of speech, I think. 

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4 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Maybe not a president, but the recent VP/hubby just made over 30 million dollars via insider trading.

She did nothing wrong?!?? Holding a bloody, severed head of a president is hardly "nothing wrong". She said it was a 'joke', but the public didn't find it funny. And I'd bet my last dollar that you wouldn't find it funny either if the severed head was Kamala Harris or Joe Biden.

I'll bet you are wrong. I would recognize it as what it was intended coming from her. She says a lot of outrageous things some could be construed as insulting me but seriously?  I am not humorless and don't consider her a threat. If you took that seriously that is your business. 

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I agree with Joy that Biden most likely would have won. That's the reason Trump shills and former employees of his adminstration like Alyssa spent every day, every minute of their time over the past year trying to get Biden to cave and drop out--they always knew incumbency was the biggest challenge to getting their leader, Trump, back into power. Alyssa is disgusting. She always was, I'm just happy it's all out in the open, it's satisfying. The truth though is nearly everyone who's sat in that chair has been varying levels of awful aside from Paula Faris (and YMMV on her, too, lol), it's more that she speaks 3X more than everyone else and everyone acts as if they have to treat her with kid gloves when she's full-blown rude to most of them most of the time and quickly plays victim when anyone finally gives it back to her. Unlike the others, she wasn't hired because she was popular, but to fill a quota. The vast majority of their viewers don't watch for her, they want to hear Ana, Joy, etc., not this troll dominating all the conversation.

I did love Joy acknowledging how openly ludicrou Alyssa was in thinking Democrats should already have a visible leader...4 years before the next election. She's stupid and vile.

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I don't think Joy has any special love for Biden versus other candidates like Kamala or so on. I still agree with her, but I thought so myself already, I'm just glad she's not too afraid of Sara going crazy to say it. I think Sara just has guilt in helping Alyssa to obsess over Biden's age this time last year. She's just soothing her conscience.

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20 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

 

I did love Joy acknowledging how openly ludicrou Alyssa was in thinking Democrats should already have a visible leader...4 years before the next election. She's stupid and vile.

I hate to do this but I agree with Alyssa about having a visible leader but that may be because I come from a country where each party has a leader & it makes me dumbfounded when there isn't a party leader.

I think the Dems do need someone at the head to hold them together & be a spokesperson for them rather than this having everyone speaking for themselves and no party vision for the future. That's the one advantage the Repugs had, the orange felon was always going to be the nominee even if he was in prison so people paid attention to him & his ridiculousness.

I don't agree that Biden would have won & the fact that he left it so late to pull out really hurt them because he was seen to be going back on what he said about being a 1 term president when he was originally voted in. Well that & Sunny's question, someone was going to ask it eventually but it was unfortunate it was on such a well viewed show.

The Dems had their asses handed to them in the 2024 election.  They lost the White House, the Senate and the House.  They should take some time to look at what they did right and what they did wrong.  It's time to take an inventory, a rigorous self-appraisal.  Right now we have Schumer and Jeffries leading us in the Senate and The House.  That's good enough for now. 

What they should be focusing on is reclaiming Congress and the Senate in 2026.

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Oh, I agree, but we disagree on the reasons. I don't think any candidate thrown in the year of the election could've won. Kamala isn't special in that regard, that's why I agree with Ana that those comments aren't some kind of insult of Kamala as Alyssa (the way she always feigns caring about women when she makes these kinds of deliberate, phony comments) tried to pretend they were in order to shut down Joy from speaking her opinion.

23 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

How could they not factor in that big tech would support Trump at any cost?  Even I knew that.

Computers?  Kindly elaborate.

I always listen to trump, no matter how nauseating it is…

He recently said that Elon went and campaigned in Pennsylvania. And then-

(in trump speak, not verbatim)

nobody knows computers like Elon does…

and we ended up winning Pennsylvania by a landslide…

 

You tell me, what does that mean?

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7 minutes ago, 2JEWELL said:

I always listen to trump, no matter how nauseating it is…

He recently said that Elon went and campaigned in Pennsylvania. And then-

(in trump speak, not verbatim)

nobody knows computers like Elon does…

and we ended up winning Pennsylvania by a landslide…

 

You tell me, what does that mean?

I have no idea what that means.  I trust our election process.

PA 2024 Presidential Election

Trump  3,543,308

Harris   3,423,042

Hardly a landslide, and what polls were saying for weeks.

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Trump has always been honest with what he would do if elected a 2nd time.  Most presidents that win a 2nd term tend to be more honest with what they want to do...good or bad.

Dems had a great opportunity to have a moderate candidate run against him...and they failed.  First with their cover up of Biden's cognitive decline and then selecting Kamala without a primary.   These moves eroded the trust people had for them.

Joy is weirded out by some calling Trump 'Daddy', and while I agree that it is weird, I have to ask if she was weirded out by the 'Mamala' nickname Drew Barrymore and some others gave to Kamala?

And can we get a moderate conservative, or liberal, on the panel that isn't so hateful? Ana, Sunny, and Joy seem so pressed and hateful that it would be nice to have some balance.

Maybe it's time for a male panelist to join.  The Talk became less tense once there was a nice mix of men and women on the panel.

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1 minute ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

 

Joy is weirded out by some calling Trump 'Daddy', and while I agree that it is weird, I have to ask if she was weirded out by the 'Mamala' nickname Drew Barrymore and some others gave to Kamala?

 

I didn't like the Mamala name but at least it was a play on her name unlike "Daddy" which carries very overt sexual tones to some & it's a very weird thing to call anyone unless you're a sugar baby or an actual child & parent. 

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And can we get a moderate conservative, or liberal, on the panel that isn't so hateful? Ana, Sunny, and Joy seem so pressed and hateful that it would be nice to have some balance.

 

So someone like Sarah or Anna, both are more moderate but only Sarah is less hateful.

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1 minute ago, Shrek said:

I didn't like the Mamala name but at least it was a play on her name unlike "Daddy" which carries very overt sexual tones to some & it's a very weird thing to call anyone unless you're a sugar baby or an actual child & parent. 

True. Kamala's stepkids call her Mamala. In that case, the nickname is sweet and endearing. Otherwise, it's just weird.

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1 minute ago, Shrek said:

"Daddy" which carries very overt sexual tones to some & it's a very weird thing to call anyone unless you're a sugar baby or an actual child & parent. 

Absolutely, but even if it's meant in the most benign of ways it still conveys that one is speaking of someone considered 'fatherly'.  Does anyone, even those deeply immersed in Trump World seriously regard him as a father figure.  Jeeze, I hope not.

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26 minutes ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Dems had a great opportunity to have a moderate candidate run against him...and they failed.  First with their cover up of Biden's cognitive decline and then selecting Kamala without a primary.   These moves eroded the trust people had for them

and yet we still  ignore trumps cognitive disabilities..

double standard as always

51 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

I have no idea what that means.  I trust our election process.

PA 2024 Presidential Election

Trump  3,543,308

Harris   3,423,042

Hardly a landslide, and what polls were saying for weeks.

I didn’t call it a landslide, trump did

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23 hours ago, Haleth said:

As usual Alyssa is full of shit. 47% of R voters are excited about trump’s policies?  Yeah?  How many of them are already wondering when he’s going to do something about the cost of food?

Until they hit them.  It is coming.  FAFO

1 hour ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Trump has always been honest with what he would do if elected a 2nd time.  Most presidents that win a 2nd term tend to be more honest with what they want to do...good or bad.

Dems had a great opportunity to have a moderate candidate run against him...and they failed.  First with their cover up of Biden's cognitive decline and then selecting Kamala without a primary.   These moves eroded the trust people had for them.

Joy is weirded out by some calling Trump 'Daddy', and while I agree that it is weird, I have to ask if she was weirded out by the 'Mamala' nickname Drew Barrymore and some others gave to Kamala?

And can we get a moderate conservative, or liberal, on the panel that isn't so hateful? Ana, Sunny, and Joy seem so pressed and hateful that it would be nice to have some balance.

Maybe it's time for a male panelist to join.  The Talk became less tense once there was a nice mix of men and women on the panel.

Her step kids call her that.

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I agree with Joy. I think we will never know if Biden hadn't dropped out, but I do know that MANY people just plain did not vote.  I think they would not vote for a woman, and a black woman at that.  We live in a racist, misogynistic country.  They didn't want to vote for Trump, so they just stayed home.

So look what we have now.  I wonder what those people who didn't vote think. I WISH the media would be as hard on Trump as they were on Biden. 

 

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25 minutes ago, debbie311 said:

I agree with Joy. I think we will never know if Biden hadn't dropped out, but I do know that MANY people just plain did not vote.  I think they would not vote for a woman, and a black woman at that.  We live in a racist, misogynistic country.  They didn't want to vote for Trump, so they just stayed home.

So look what we have now.  I wonder what those people who didn't vote think. I WISH the media would be as hard on Trump as they were on Biden. 

 

Exactly. I am so sick and tired of the double standards. If anything, we are learning that misogyny and racism is just as American as baseball and apple pie. 💔

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58 minutes ago, debbie311 said:

I agree with Joy. I think we will never know if Biden hadn't dropped out, but I do know that MANY people just plain did not vote.  I think they would not vote for a woman, and a black woman at that.  We live in a racist, misogynistic country.  They didn't want to vote for Trump, so they just stayed home.

So look what we have now.  I wonder what those people who didn't vote think. I WISH the media would be as hard on Trump as they were on Biden. 

 

Personally, I doubt anyone who didn't vote this election would have been inspired to vote by Biden.  In fact, more people probably would have stayed home (I know that was the first time I'd ever considered not voting.  When your choices are a senile old man and a hateful old man who's also possibly senile, what's the point?).  And anyone who was racist/misogynistic probably voted for Trump.  So I doubt the end result would have been any different.  If anything, Biden would have lost by a larger margin.

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1 hour ago, Snapdragon said:

Personally, I doubt anyone who didn't vote this election would have been inspired to vote by Biden.  In fact, more people probably would have stayed home (I know that was the first time I'd ever considered not voting.  When your choices are a senile old man and a hateful old man who's also possibly senile, what's the point?).  And anyone who was racist/misogynistic probably voted for Trump.  So I doubt the end result would have been any different.  If anything, Biden would have lost by a larger margin.

possibly?

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