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S14.E01: Grace Time Is Over


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11 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

it goes to show that no matter how much money you do have and how much "fame" or how connected you are you can still be trash with no manners or common sense .. like what kinda person thinks pulling out your hair at a party with other guest is acceptable .. like excuse yourself go to the bathroom dont do it at the table .. its trash behavior

Totally....to be honest, out of the three sisters, I really think that Kyle probably has the most "learned class".  People may perceive Kathy as some kind of grand, proper lady, but I think she's just a tacky person who had the good fortune to marry up into the Hilton name/money.  From what I've read, Kathy and Rick weren't super classy in their younger days.  Kim, well, she never could be considered classy because she's struggled much of her life with on-again, off-again substance abuse.

Trash, even in a designer trash bag is still trash.....

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21 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I agree - and, I think that it all stems from Season 9 (the last season with LVP).  I think that Kyle regrets backing Dorit and destroying her friendship with LVP, which I do think was a true friendship.  I think during that whole thing, Kyle thought that the fight between her and LVP would be a "show" fight and they would make up, either later in the season or at the reunion.  We all saw that didn't happen. 

I think that Kyle knows that Dorit was guilty, and has been slowly distancing herself ever since, leading to the final fall out after Dorit interjected herself into the Kyle/Kathy stuff at the reunion.

That chapter is closed.  You're giving Kyle way too much credit.  Kyle has always been about what serves her best.  She is hardly a martyr.  Even prior to Puppy gate, her relationship with LVP had pretty much dissolved into nothing more than just co-workers.

The common ground for Kyle and Dorit were their husbands.  And I suspect with both marriages in trouble, and rumors that Dorit was on the chopping block with the show, made her disposable to Kyle.  This considering the petty reasons Kyle is putting out there about Dorit.

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5 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Kathy Hilton is 65. I doubt she still has hot flashes.

I am (a very youthful) 63 and still get hot flashes, I have been told by some of my older relatives that even at 80 they get the rogue hot flash so I think Kathy could still be getting them.

Death, taxes and hot flashes...cannot escape them!

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7 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

Kathy needs a neck fan.  It works wonders for hot flashes, immediate cool down without ruining your glam.

She needs to learn tact .. just cause you have more money then God and your daughter is super super famous doesn't mean you can act any way you want in public .. she would have been aghast if someone was at her function and acted a fool with pulling their hair out... the more i watch her the more she annoys me .. its the entitlement that she can do these things in public and its ok .. ugh even if it was a hot flash excuse yourself dont start frantically pulling at your hair like a loon :)

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Kathy:  Ladies rooms are where "ladies" go to adjust their hair.

I'm Jewish, and I was recently invited to a luncheon with all Orthodox Jewish women (I'm not Orthodox).  Orthodox women must cover their head at all times in public, so they wear wigs.  In most cases, their hair looked beautiful, but the ladies room was full of women adjusting their wigs before they went back out.

Kathy could learn a thing or two.

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16 hours ago, njbchlover said:

People may perceive Kathy as some kind of grand, proper lady, but I think she's just a tacky person who had the good fortune to marry up into the Hilton name/money.

Kathy is cheap Christmas trash (TM Chick Boyle in "Crimes of the Heart.")

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20 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Totally....to be honest, out of the three sisters, I really think that Kyle probably has the most "learned class".  People may perceive Kathy as some kind of grand, proper lady, but I think she's just a tacky person who had the good fortune to marry up into the Hilton name/money.  From what I've read, Kathy and Rick weren't super classy in their younger days.  Kim, well, she never could be considered classy because she's struggled much of her life with on-again, off-again substance abuse.

Trash, even in a designer trash bag is still trash.....

Yeah, I think all three are tacky and low class.  Just with $$.

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On 11/20/2024 at 10:20 PM, njbchlover said:

Especially Dorit and Boz.  Erica's outfit was a cross between surrealism and avant-garde.  Garcelle's outfit was stunning, but more red carpet than surrealism, except maybe for her headpiece.  Same with Kyle's and Sutton's outfits.

I thought Erika's was the best example of Surrealism.

The rest? Not really. 

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10 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I would trust your judgement, @Surrealist, don't know why but I do! LOL.

I know a bit about Surrealism, but am no expert. I was underwhelmed by most of the outfits.

I agree with @njbchlover that these women watched a Project Runway avant garde challenge episode, and dressed accordingly. 

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On 11/21/2024 at 6:11 PM, BloggerAloud said:

I have always felt that something happened between Kyle and Dorit off-camera that caused the relationship to implode because Kyle has sort of distanced herself from Dorit the past couple of years. And since neither of them will bring that issue on camera, they keep fighting these proxy wars

I kind of think so too but can't put my finger on what I think it is. I thought maybe it had to do with Dorit's home invasion, like maybe PK asked Mo to help cover up that he'd orchestrated it and Mo helped. Kyle found out and that was a last straw. She did say that Mo had broken her trust in a way that she wasn't able to get past. But then I don't know why she'd be mad at Dorit and not PK. Same with the rumors that Dorit and Mo had a fling or something. If that was the case then why would PK still be friends with Mo?

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4 hours ago, ww92 said:

Same with the rumors that Dorit and Mo had a fling or something. If that was the case then why would PK still be friends with Mo?

I'm just throwing my two cents in because clearly, I don't know jack.  Seems like there may have been some flirting going on with Dorit and Mauricio, maybe some semi-inappropriate touching at some point? I don't think they were ever accused of having a full blown fling though.  Way back in the day, Kyle seemed really jealous.  This memory was a long time ago, at one of their stupid white parties, and some woman was dancing with Mo, they were kinda up close and personal, and Kyle came storming up to them and was yelling, something like "GET OFF OF MY HUSBAND", she was pretty mad.  The woman backed off and Mo stood there looking like a dummy, and that's pretty much all I remember, but hopefully it's fairly accurate.  So, maybe when people started gossiping about how Dorit and Mo flirted, it helped burned the Kyle/Dorit bridge.  I would imagine though, poor Kyle has probably had to beat the women off Mauricio with a stick.  It's not hard for me to imagine Mauricio being a real chick magnet, and honestly, if he was faithful to her all those years, I would be very surprised.  jmo

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9 hours ago, ww92 said:

Same with the rumors that Dorit and Mo had a fling or something. If that was the case then why would PK still be friends with Mo?

I'm just throwing my two cents in because clearly, I don't know jack.  Seems like there may have been some flirting going on with Dorit and Mauricio, maybe some semi-inappropriate touching at some point? I don't think they were ever accused of having a full blown fling though.  Way back in the day, Kyle seemed really jealous. 

Since we're speculating, maybe Mo & PK were in on the flirtation and possible fling. I have a suspicion that both men were tired of their wives and looking for some excitement. After all, Mo did say "for once it's you" (meaning Kyle). I could also see PK looking for some extra curricular activity. And if he "ok'd" Mo to seduce Dorit, it would take some guilt off if he went looking for said activity. 

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Well, if Sandoval taught us anything, your own friend with a sweet face and Bambi eyes may not be so innocent. I still don't buy anything ever went on with Dorit & Mauricio, but I guess you never know. As jealous as Kyle seemed in early seasons, I really don't think she'd have anything to do with Dorit whatsoever if there was even any flirting, much less an affair. All I remember is some hugs and affection between all of them after the robbery, but that looked totally innocent to me. I think some cast members (Camille, Brandi, maybe to a degree Erika) kind of enjoy attention from other men, but Dorit has never been like that either. She's always ladylike and respectful and doesn't flirt with anyone. 

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On 11/20/2024 at 1:50 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

PK and Dorit are not going to tell their kids, so their kids’ friends whose parents have access to the internet can tell them.

If the kids don’t find out themselves. One of them is TEN! My daughter is ten, and some kids in her class have phones and Apple watches already. Next year they’ll be in middle school! VERY odd to act like they’re infants who can reasonably be spared the truth. 

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On 11/20/2024 at 4:48 AM, JenE4 said:

Sutton and Kyle were an homage to Home Goods art. A few years ago, Home Goods was overrun by these paintings of animals wearing floral headdresses. I would expect this of Kyle. Et tu, Sutton??

Just when I thought these women couldn’t disappoint me in any additional ways, the costumes were SOOOO meh! NONE of them really leaned into the theme in any interesting ways, with the possible exception of Erika. Bronwyn from SLC wears weirder shit than this at, like, a parent-teacher conference on a random Tuesday morning. 

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On 11/20/2024 at 9:36 AM, dmeets said:

Mau gets in front of the camera, the more uncomfortable he gets. That or he can't even film a scene without being high as a kite, which could become awkward with his newly sober bestie.

I'm surprised that people are saying that PK looked better than usual, because I thought both he and Mau looked terrible in that scene. I don't like to talk about people's appearances, but frankly I thought they both looked unwell! 

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I want to be careful of how I phrase this, because I am very aware that homophobia is still a thing, and that it must be jarring to have to come to terms, at middle age, with a different version of yourself than you thought you were. That said, Kyle's weeping about how she was worried that her daughters would be embarrassed by her potential same-sex attraction seems... like an outsized reaction?

First, and most obviously, where was that fear of her kids' embarrassment the first time Kyle did the splits on camera? Or, each subsequent time? Secondly, based on where she lives and the fact that she's in the industry, I'm guessing Kyle runs with a fairly liberal crowd -- at least when it comes to LGBTQ+ issues. Kyle may be many things, but I doubt she raised her kids to believe that being non-heterosexual is anything to be embarrassed by. And finally -- to Garcelle's point -- she coyly teased her relationship with Morgan in a music video! But now she's worried her kids would be embarrassed by it? Does not compute! 

But the thing is... her tears seemed real to me. So, what's happening there? Are she and her family secretly more conservative than I'd thought? Is she just engaging in histrionics because she's Kyle? Was she crying about something completely different, and the editors Frankenbit it together to make it seem like she was talking about Morgan? 

Very odd.

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On 11/20/2024 at 8:00 PM, Shannah Banana said:

I really didn't understand why Kyle, in her kitten heels, was trying to take that indoor chair outside, anyway. 

RIGHT?! What on earth was happening in that scene? Where was it going, and why? 

Seriously, thank you for saying this. Now I feel less alone.

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On 11/20/2024 at 8:00 PM, Shannah Banana said:

Of course, Dorit has her standards to maintain, which is why she is outting PeeKaaay for being a total drunkard in front of God and everybody.  She has to have some grounds to get that big pay-out when things go really south.  PeeKaaay taught her all too well, it seems.  Bonnie and Clyde, indeed.

I'm not defending Dorit because... well, Dorit ... but I thought PK had been public about his struggles with alcohol and the fact that he'd gotten sober? That doesn't excuse Dorit discussing it in such a crass manner, but I'm not sure if it was completely new information to us? 

Also, I thought PK's language in that conversation with Mau was very telling. He misses the days when Dorit was his "shadow" and went out with him all time to places where he wanted to go. Don't get me wrong - I don't like Dorit! But, I think we all need to take a moment to reflect on what's really important here, and it's that PK also sucks a whole lot. 

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On 11/21/2024 at 9:17 AM, AnnMarie17 said:

is my opinion a "fact"...yes, yes it is

Are you one of my college students whose essays I'm grading this weekend? 

Jk jk jk... :) Seriously, though, I completely agree with your assessment of Kyle as being in arrested development -- her emotional maturity stunted around middle school. I would imagine that's common with former child actors? I can totally see how Voldemort (She Who Cannot Be Named) was a fun escape hatch at a time when Kyle was spiraling, and Kyle just glommed on and the infatuation grew from there. But, I also think this could be true and Kyle may have developed romantic feelings for this woman. Who knows? Sexuality is a rich tapestry. Garcelle's right that Kyle doesn't really owe anyone an explanation.

That said, the one thing she does owe us is to not make this her plotline on another fucking season of this show because DEAR LORD NO. 

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On 11/22/2024 at 2:40 PM, emma675 said:

All the money in the world can't buy money or class. Kathy is living proof of that. 

Elegance is learned, my friend.

On 11/22/2024 at 5:35 PM, Surrealist said:

I know a bit about Surrealism, but am no expert. I was underwhelmed by most of the outfits.

This is just like the time the folks over on the Top Chef boards assumed I had expertise in cooking. 

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3 hours ago, ladle1 said:

Also, I thought PK's language in that conversation with Mau was very telling. He misses the days when Dorit was his "shadow" and went out with him all time to places where he wanted to go. Don't get me wrong - I don't like Dorit! But, I think we all need to take a moment to reflect on what's really important here, and it's that PK also sucks a whole lot. 

Dorit has two kids, and she doesn’t want to/can't go out anymore. PK is selfish. 

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3 hours ago, Palimelon said:

I'd say we can't say her name because she is like Candyman. If we all say her name enough times, she will show up in an episode.

So her appearances last season were OUR fault?!
 

Great, something new to feel guilty about. 

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What ever happened to Faye? Wouldn't this be a good time for Kyle to open up and be honest on camera to Faye or did Kyle distance herself from her too?

Kyle has this big talk with her kids about her sexuality, she stresses over it, cries over it, etc...then she walks it all back saying she does not think she is bi or gay or lesbian or what have you, so why the drama of talking to her kids if there is no there, there?  How would Kyle feel if she were Morgan Wade and you hear a person you care about enough to write songs about and put in a video pretty much act like a loon when asked about her sexuality, I do not think Kyle would be happy if the shoe was on the other foot.

Dorit and PK are boring even with whatever drama they try to come up with, Dorit's lawyer should probably tell her to quit it with the "PK is an alcoholic," talk because that could be slander and that could bite her in her ass.  We have never seen PK drunk or excessively drinking nor have we heard stories from the other HW's, who is Dorit trying to kid?

Wasn't there an incident a few seasons ago with PK in a car with a woman driving near the Beverly Hills Hotel and was pulled over for speeding or DUI? Can anyone remember that? Am I imagining things?

I am rooting for Boz to be great on this show.  I want to see her closet.

I am rooting for Garcelle to kill it this season, aren't her boys college bound by now? I want to see her beach house and I want her to meet a nice guy that isn't Johnny J, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

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Mauricio used Kyle.

Kyle used Morgan.

Morgan used Kyle.

Morgan got her name out there via Kyle's social media following.

Kyle got to "show the world" that not only is she going to be Just. Fine. without Mauricio, but that she might have even found her soulmate.  That'll shut up all the people who say that Mauricio has been cheating all along.

Mauricio used Kyle for her Hilton connections.

All just a bunch of users.

And Kyle can't even figure out how to open a French door, and that an indoor chair will be ruined within a week.

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15 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Dorit told Erika that PK and she love and care about each other, and it was a mutual decision to separate. In an interview, intercut with her scene with Kathy, Dorit seems upset that PK chose to separate; they should’ve tried to work things out.

I think a reason Dorit is angry is because PK asked for a separation, on top of being angry at Kyle.

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2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

What ever happened to Faye? Wouldn't this be a good time for Kyle to open up and be honest on camera to Faye or did Kyle distance herself from her too?

Kyle has this big talk with her kids about her sexuality, she stresses over it, cries over it, etc...then she walks it all back saying she does not think she is bi or gay or lesbian or what have you, so why the drama of talking to her kids if there is no there, there?  How would Kyle feel if she were Morgan Wade and you hear a person you care about enough to write songs about and put in a video pretty much act like a loon when asked about her sexuality, I do not think Kyle would be happy if the shoe was on the other foot.

Dorit and PK are boring even with whatever drama they try to come up with, Dorit's lawyer should probably tell her to quit it with the "PK is an alcoholic," talk because that could be slander and that could bite her in her ass.  We have never seen PK drunk or excessively drinking nor have we heard stories from the other HW's, who is Dorit trying to kid?

Wasn't there an incident a few seasons ago with PK in a car with a woman driving near the Beverly Hills Hotel and was pulled over for speeding or DUI? Can anyone remember that? Am I imagining things?

I am rooting for Boz to be great on this show.  I want to see her closet.

I am rooting for Garcelle to kill it this season, aren't her boys college bound by now? I want to see her beach house and I want her to meet a nice guy that isn't Johnny J, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

PK had a DUI last season. It was discussed on the show, and the reunion (that there was a woman with him- there was no woman according to the police report).

I don't think it's slander because PK in his conversation with Mauricio said he was in rehab, and was dry for a few weeks.

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4 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

What ever happened to Faye? Wouldn't this be a good time for Kyle to open up and be honest on camera to Faye or did Kyle distance herself from her too?

Kyle has this big talk with her kids about her sexuality, she stresses over it, cries over it, etc...then she walks it all back saying she does not think she is bi or gay or lesbian or what have you, so why the drama of talking to her kids if there is no there, there?  How would Kyle feel if she were Morgan Wade and you hear a person you care about enough to write songs about and put in a video pretty much act like a loon when asked about her sexuality, I do not think Kyle would be happy if the shoe was on the other foot.

She hasn't walked anything back, for what it's worth. In the press before the premiere, she basically reiterated the same thing - that she's still figuring it out but that she can't speak for anyone else's experiences or life except her own. I certainly don't think she's spent the past two and a bit years 'changing' and going through an 'evolution' to the point of telling her daughters about it to just conclude that she's straight after all, lol. 

Morgan's actually the one who isn't at all out and has expressed being extremely distressed at the way people were speculating about her sexuality last year. She's the one who has asked Kyle not to mention her on the show. 

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On 11/19/2024 at 9:07 PM, Straycat80 said:

Not that I care but why are they still beating this is Kyle Bi or not storyline to death? And we still don’t know right? 

Haha I think we do 😄

On 11/20/2024 at 8:57 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

Kathy takes glam squad to the extreme, IV's, face masks, lip masks, someone standing by with a milkshake, and of course she has a treatment room

And yet she ends up looking like Caitlin Jenner 😃

On 11/20/2024 at 11:40 AM, snarts said:

So, happy that Garcelle continues to be busy. It might be the vanderpump affect but her oldest son gives me creeper vibes.

That's what I thought when I watched too!

On 11/20/2024 at 3:47 PM, amarante said:

I think the landscape for older actresses has significantly changed with the advent of cable and streaming services.

Also I think on the actors' parts there's less snobbery about only being a Hollywood actor - if you're willing to do reality, chat shows and Lifetime movies there's no reason you can't have a long career!

On 11/20/2024 at 3:50 PM, RealHousewife said:

Regarding Dorit, Kyle said their families have only been on one trip together. I'm sorry, but while that doesn't necessarily make for best friends, for most people it does still take a friendship of sorts to go on even a single trip together. I wouldn't do that with just anyone. 

We've seen a little, but they've talked more about doing Jewish holidays together. I thought they were better friends than Kyle is letting on now.  And whoever said that they don't know why Kyle would pick her sisters over everyone else - I agree wholeheartedly!  I'll take Kyle over the other 2 any day.

On 11/20/2024 at 6:47 PM, njbchlover said:

Kathy is rude, condescending and a snob.  

**Or, another thought - maybe she is experiencing some hearing loss and is too vain to get hearing aids?  

Nah - she's an asshole.

13 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Wasn't there an incident a few seasons ago with PK in a car with a woman driving near the Beverly Hills Hotel and was pulled over for speeding or DUI? Can anyone remember that? Am I imagining things?

I believe he got pulled over but by the time they got back to the station he was under the limit so they let him go, and he wasn't honest with Dorit about what happened at the time.  I don't remember another woman.

I did not get what Sutton's party theme was supposed to be, and after reading you all critique it I still don't understand! 😄

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Kyle is very good at playing the 1970s stereotype of the clueless wealthy housewife: She has no idea how to do anything- she has people for that- she throws her head back in laughter, always drives a different expensive car, and flits around town shopping in her designer labels. The only thing missing is the martini or wine glass, but since Kyle doesn't drink anymore, it would be replaced with an edible.

 

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1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

Kyle is very good at playing the 1970s stereotype of the clueless wealthy housewife: She has no idea how to do anything- she has people for that- she throws her head back in laughter, always drives a different expensive car, and flits around town shopping in her designer labels. The only thing missing is the martini or wine glass, but since Kyle doesn't drink anymore, it would be replaced with an edible.

 

I didn't think of that! I get that some muscles help for certain tasks around the house, but I was surprised by some of the things Kyle said only Mauricio did. 

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2 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Kyle is very good at playing the 1970s stereotype of the clueless wealthy housewife: She has no idea how to do anything- she has people for that- she throws her head back in laughter, always drives a different expensive car, and flits around town shopping in her designer labels. The only thing missing is the martini or wine glass, but since Kyle doesn't drink anymore, it would be replaced with an edible.

 

This is the same Kyle who made fun of Kathy for not knowing how to plug in a fan. 

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