S14.E01: Grace Time Is Over

[Cosmocrush]

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I get that it could be annoying when you feel like it's disingenuous of someone to portray you as their best friend when you're not or act like you're as close as sisters when you're not. (I feel a bit awkward when I know someone doesn't like me that much but refers to me as a sister or says they love me.) But this pattern of women thinking they're actually good friends with Kyle and Kyle being like nope, it's not pretty. It seems like unless you're her lifelong friend, you don't mean much to her. 

I think it's because Kyle has long time, real friends off camera.  These women are basically  her colleagues.  I've always had "work friends" but if push came to shove I never really considered them  actual real friendships,  more like casual friends to go have drinks with or attend parties. 

I doubt Erika has any women friends that aren't on her payroll.  Same with Dum Dum Dorito but because she thinks the HW are her real friends.  And speaking of whom, Dorit and PK not telling  their ten and eight year old about the separation is idiotic!  Of course they know.    On WWHL Dorit confirmed they STILL haven't sat them down for that talk yet PK has his own apartment where they spend the weekends with him.  🙄

 

[Surrealist]

18 hours ago, ZettaK said:

But a music video is not supposed to be real life, is it? I haven't seen it though.

It's not supposed to be, but we're living in a time when people assume everything an artist/entertainer puts out is about their real lives.

Taylor Swift is the best example of this I can think of because her fans will swarm the social media accts of her ex-boyfriends, ex-friends, and their families and friends to harass them.

I kind of blame social media for this phenomenon.

[ww92]

It's so weird that Dorit and PK haven't told the kids they're separated. I know they're homeschooled but do they not have any friends?

The event planner did a great job with the decor at Sutton's party but whoever hired the performers needs to be fired. Bizarre! It was also pretty rude of Sutton to tell Dorit that she looked like a condom with a satellite dish on her head. Kathy showed up in one of Big Kathy's seafoam green nightgowns from the early 70's and Sutton didn't say a word about it.

Kyle, we all know whose name you're not mentioning and it's ridiculous. She appeared on the show with you last season and you appeared in her music video making fun of the rumors. Kyle says it's not her place to talk about other people? Hmm, Denise might disagree. Kyle is mad that Dorit embarrassed her publicly by sharing the text message and good friends wouldn't ever do that? Hmm, does that apply to sisters too or is announcing that your sister is sick and an alcoholic on national television okay?

When Kyle and Dorit started talking and Dorit was trying to explain her feelings, suddenly Kyle decides that Dorit is being aggressive? Dorit wasn't yelling, wasn't in her face, wasn't being at all aggressive. When Dorit said that with Kyle, if you aren't blindly loyal to her then she'll cut you off for months at a time. But not only is Kyle not blindly loyal to others, apparently she doesn't think they're even good friends. So far I don't blame Dorit for telling Kyle she's not putting up with her s**t anymore. 🤣

[Shannah Banana]

Dorit's head dress reminded me of a back- in- the- day huge vinyl record. The way she kept touching it, I was waiting for her to twirl it around real fast and start singing, Love Gone Bad.  I'm not sure if it was about PeeKaaay or Kyle, but both apply, I guess.

I really didn't understand why Kyle, in her kitten heels, was trying to take that indoor chair outside, anyway. 

The video Kyle did with that person that can't be named, was terrible.  Fact is, Kyle can't act.  I know she pretends like she's some serious actor or something, but she can't act.  Now, Kim can act.  I can see them as kids, screaming at each other who the better actor was, and Kyle in her best wavering voice, I'M DONE! as she clomped out of the room in her kitten heels. 

I also thought it was very rude that she didn't offer Erika a glass to pour her canned coke in, with a straw.  Watching Erika take a slug of that coke, without mussing her lipstick was truly terrifying.  My what big lips you have, Erika.  Dorit would have never put up with such crass manners.  Nope, she would have insisted on the proper coke glass with six perfect ice cubes, and be quick about it.  Of course, Dorit has her standards to maintain, which is why she is outting PeeKaaay for being a total drunkard in front of God and everybody.  She has to have some grounds to get that big pay-out when things go really south.  PeeKaaay taught her all too well, it seems.  Bonnie and Clyde, indeed.

[Baltimore Betty]

7 minutes ago, Shannah Banana said:

Fact is, Kyle can't act. 

I laughed out loud at this, I read it like Dwight Schrute would say it, "Fact! Kyle can't act!"

PK and Dorit haven't told their kids about the separation but shuttle them back and forth between their homes, I have to laugh when Dorit said the kids are at PK's on the weekends, like what difference does it make, neither one of them go to an office during the week or probably make a business call at any time during any day, the kids have a solid 9 to 3 situation, the parents don't and that strikes me funny.

Sutton's black carpet for the party just looked so icky I cannot get past it.

 

 

 

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

As they were introduced, Kathy said she knew who Boz is, so I was unsure if it was a compliment because Boz has been the boss at so many places or if she was just being an asshole because she's Kathy Hilton

I'm going to go with the latter description...just because I cannot stand Kathy Hilton.  🤣

[hoodooznoodooz]

13 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

This part, and it was a semi open mouth ... I was like UGH

Honestly!

From petMD:

You can get hookworms and other parasites from dog saliva.

Certain intestinal parasites can be carried in dog saliva, and though it’s rare, they can be transmitted to humans.

Dogs are known to lick their hind ends after defecation and greet each other with a nose-to-rump greeting. This means that microscopic bacteria and parasites carried in fecal material can be present in dogs’ mouths and nasal cavities. 

 

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

7 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

I thought the problem was she kept taking it off and putting it back on. 

She saw Boz approaching and quickly put the disc back on, possibly trying to look more impressive to Boz?

[hoodooznoodooz]

1 hour ago, Cosmocrush said:

On WWHL Dorit confirmed they STILL haven't sat them down for that talk, yet PK has his own apartment where they spend the weekends with him.  🙄

Maybe they’ll tell the children they’ve separated at PK’s third wedding.

[hoodooznoodooz]

1 hour ago, Shannah Banana said:

I really didn't understand why Kyle, in her kitten heels, was trying to take that indoor chair outside, anyway. 

Thank you!

I think Kyle often makes choices that will allow her to wail and draw attention to herself. She’s so exhausting. I would smoke marijuana 24/7, too, if I were married to her.

[Shannah Banana]

1 hour ago, ww92 said:

It was also pretty rude of Sutton to tell Dorit that she looked like a condom with a satellite dish on her head.

It was pretty rude, but once Dorit exclaimed her outfit wasn't rubber! it was plastic! I felt so much better.

[hoodooznoodooz]

13 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Can someone explain to me in three sentences or so what this PK/Kyle fight is all about? 

Kyle is angry at Dorit for showing on camera backstage at the last reunion a (manipulative) text that Kyle wrote.

Dorit is angry that Kyle insisted on an amazon live that she was never close friends with Dorit. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

12 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Surrealism certainly is in the eye of the beholder, according to some of the costumes worn that night.

I think some guests were confusing “surrealism” with “avant-garde.”

Or “ugly.”

[TheCouchPotato]

Bravo is so shady. Focusing on Dorit walking towards the table like a penguin, screeching “Elllo” as though “Gov’na” was going to be the next word. It’s clear the production team really hates her. You think they’d give her a pass with a pending separation…nope. 

Edited 12 hours ago by TheCouchPotato

[Pi237]

I don't think Kyle was attracted to Morgan as much as how Morgan made her feel-young, different, a little wild, but she was just copying her. Ill be surprised if she comes out as bi. I think this is just a menopause stopover before she finds her next older, richer husband.

I liked a lot of the guests looks at Sutton's party. But the ladies dancing in the pool and person on stilts stuff has been done a few times already. Not exactly unique or surreal.  

[Shannah Banana]

12 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

I don't think Kyle was attracted to Morgan as much as how Morgan made her feel-young, different, a little wild, but she was just copying her. Ill be surprised if she comes out as bi. I think this is just a menopause stopover before she finds her next older, richer husband.

I don't much like Kyle, but I find myself hoping she and Mauricio find their way back to each other. 

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Honestly!

From petMD:

You can get hookworms and other parasites from dog saliva.

Certain intestinal parasites can be carried in dog saliva, and though it’s rare, they can be transmitted to humans.

Dogs are known to lick their hind ends after defecation and greet each other with a nose-to-rump greeting. This means that microscopic bacteria and parasites carried in fecal material can be present in dogs’ mouths and nasal cavities. 

So many of the women on these shows seem to forget how dirty their dogs are. Vanderpump thought it was appropriate to have her dogs at the dinner table. Bronwyn on Salt Lake is fine with dog shit on her floors, and that's with company over and cameras rolling.

[swankie]

13 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Kathy takes glam squad to the extreme, IV's, face masks, lip masks, someone standing by with a milkshake, and of course she has a treatment room, we should all come back as Kathy in our next lives but we would know when it is acceptable to take our weaves out.

All of this and she ends up looking exactly the same.  And when someone tells you their name, that's what you call them.  That scene with Boz gave me too much of a Toby/Kunta Kenta vibe.  (For those that don't know what I mean look up Roots by Alex Hailey.)

[nicole21290]

3 hours ago, ww92 said:

In that one interview that we talked about in the media thread, Kyle says that the conversation with her daughters was one of the hardest conversations she's ever had in her life. If the conversation consisted of "I know the media is running wild with rumors that Morgan and I are an item, we're not. I'm not into women. Just wanted you all to know that in case you were wondering" then I fail to see how that would be such a difficult conversation. I do find it weird that it never occurred to her that she might have been following Morgan around like a puppy dog as long as she has because she might be attracted to her until the media mentioned it.

Honestly, the explanation that the media speculation made her consider her sexuality is obviously bunk. What she's trying to do, I think - VERY clumsily - is separate the narrative that she's at a point where she's questioning her sexuality from the narrative that she and Morgan have had some kind of sexual or romantic relationship. Making it more general a conversation about her own identiy because she can "only speak for [herself]". Because Morgan doesn't want to be mentioned or associated with her publicly in that way, she can't exactly say, 'Hey, met this person and whatever happened with us made me wonder if I might not be all that straight'. Morgan's never publicly disclosed her own sexuality so she would not want to be implicated in any kind of awakening, lol. 

3 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I don't think that Kyle is seriously attracted to Morgan or any other woman sexually.  I think that she may have experienced some very deep feelings for Morgan and she may have felt a little confused, but not any longer.  

Do you believe her at the last reunion where she acknowledged being curious to kiss her and exclaimed that she was hot in a way that connected that curiosity to some sort of attraction to her appearance? She's said in the press that she's STILL trying to figure this all out (the question of her sexuality) and it's been a couple of years at this point that she's been going through an 'evolution'. I guess it's POSSIBLE that she comes out of this period with the realisation that Morgan was an exception, and that otherwise, she isn't sexually attracted to women, but I don't get that sense from all she's been saying, tbh. 

[WaltersHair]

34 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

I liked a lot of the guests looks at Sutton's party. But the ladies dancing in the pool and person on stilts stuff has been done a few times already. Not exactly unique or surreal.  

That mermaid flopping all over LVP's pool, saying "I'm Winning, I'm Winning!" is burned into my brain. All party performers after her are lackluster.

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I think some guests were confusing “surrealism” with “avant-garde.”

Or “ugly.”

That is exactly what I was thinking!!  It's like they all watched an episode of "Project Runway" where the challenge was create avant-garde runway looks.  

Especially Dorit and Boz.  Erica's outfit was a cross between surrealism and avant-garde.  Garcelle's outfit was stunning, but more red carpet than surrealism, except maybe for her headpiece.  Same with Kyle's and Sutton's outfits.

Kathy just looked like she was wearing one of Big Kathy's gowns that she wore to go to the Polo Lounge at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

[Cosmocrush]

25 minutes ago, swankie said:

All of this and she [Kathy] ends up looking exactly the same

I know!!!  That's what cracked me up.  And then, after all that she wears that 1970s dress/nightgown/whatever. 

I wonder what Dorito's kids are going to think when they find out their mother is calling their father a raging alcoholic all over town (and TV).  Besides the damage it could do the kids it could end up costing Dum Dum Dorito in terms of a divorce settlement if PK gets a good attorney. 

[njbchlover]

54 minutes ago, Shannah Banana said:

I don't much like Kyle, but I find myself hoping she and Mauricio find their way back to each other. 

Me, too....they just seem to belong together.  

[heatherchandler]

10 hours ago, amarante said:

because she was so f'ing gorgeous

She really was.  And still is!  But she was  especially drop dead gorgeous when young.

[Stats Queen]

4 hours ago, Shannah Banana said:

I also thought it was very rude that she didn't offer Erika a glass to pour her canned coke in, with a straw.  Watching Erika take a slug of that coke, without mussing her lipstick was truly terrifying.  My what big lips you have, Erika.  Dorit would have never put up with such crass manners.  Nope, she would have insisted on the proper coke glass with six perfect ice cubes, and be quick about it.  Of course,

With 20 lemons, carcass out..

[SemiCharmedLife]

5 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

I doubt Erika has any women friends that aren't on her payroll.  Same with Dum Dum Dorito but because she thinks the HW are her real friends.  And speaking of whom, Dorit and PK not telling  their ten and eight year old about the separation is idiotic!  Of course they know.    On WWHL Dorit confirmed they STILL haven't sat them down for that talk yet PK has his own apartment where they spend the weekends with him.  🙄

 

They should have had that conversation with the children before they had separate homes.  By not talking about it, the kids are not being given the support they need as they navigate their new lives.  Dorit and PK are effectively telling the kids that we don't talk about things; we pretend everything is okay.  IF they had a conversation about what is going on, the parents could reassure the children and let them know it's not their fault (a common misperception by children) and they are there to talk/answer questions.  

[Palimelon]

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I liked Boz, as well - she looks/sounds like she will be able to hold her own with these women.

I liked her too. She seems fun and chill, but it was just the first episode (and I saw a peek from the next episode). So we'll see how things go during the season with her.

[Palimelon]

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Dorit is angry that Kyle insisted on an amazon live that she was never close friends with Dorit. 

Ugh, I hate that Kyle is making me feel bad for Dorit.

I can understand why Dorit feels the way she did. After LVP and Teddi were gone, it felt like Kyle was hanging out with Dorit the most out of the remaining HWs throughout the years. And even if it was because Mauricio and PK were friends, they probably did do things as couples did together, even if they just traveled once, I could see them doing lots of double dates and just hanging out together as a foursome. Maybe Kyle just wants to revise history to fit her narrative?

Also I agree with Dorit regarding choosing Kathy as her favorite of the sisters at that Bravocon event. It was clearly meant as a joke since Kyle spilled the drink on Dorit. And you can see Kyle genuinely laughing at the moment as well when Dorit said Kathy. Not awkwardly, but genuinely laughing at the joke. And yet somehow Kyle wants us to believe she was traumatized by that?

Honestly, low-rent Demi Moore making me feel sorry for Dorit might be one of the most offensive things she has done on this show.

[Soapy Goddess]

9 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Kathy is rude, condescending and a snob.  

Totally agree. Unless I missed a scene, did she ever say why she was pulling out her extensions at the event?

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Totally agree. Unless I missed a scene, did she ever say why she was pulling out her extensions at the event?

I think she said she was hot .. I remember thinking so you take out your extensions? 

[ZettaK]

8 hours ago, Shannah Banana said:

I don't much like Kyle, but I find myself hoping she and Mauricio find their way back to each other. 

No need to worry. Teddi Mellencamp already pushed the scenario of them maybe reconnecting in the future. She must know/suspect something.

Edited 3 hours ago by ZettaK

[njbchlover]

3 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think she said she was hot .. I remember thinking so you take out your extensions? 

It was so bizarre.  Maybe Kathy heard/read somewhere that women get hot when wearing wigs, and in her mind, that also includes hair extensions?  

Aside from the fact that just removing your extensions in the middle of a party (not even in the restroom) is rude, it just seemed like Kathy's version of a kooky stunt to garner attention.

[AnnMarie17]

18 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

Lord help me, I thought he looked good too.

All right, simmer down now BQ; nowhere did I say he looked "good".  😉

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, njbchlover said:

It was so bizarre.  Maybe Kathy heard/read somewhere that women get hot when wearing wigs, and in her mind, that also includes hair extensions?  

Aside from the fact that just removing your extensions in the middle of a party (not even in the restroom) is rude, it just seemed like Kathy's version of a kooky stunt to garner attention.

it goes to show that no matter how much money you do have and how much "fame" or how connected you are you can still be trash with no manners or common sense .. like what kinda person thinks pulling out your hair at a party with other guest is acceptable .. like excuse yourself go to the bathroom dont do it at the table .. its trash behavior

[AnnMarie17]

My take on the Kyle/Morgan relationship hinges on the fact (is my opinion a "fact"...yes, yes it is) that Kyle is so emotionally stunted.  Kyle has always presented herself with all of the maturity and emotional depth of a middle school girls locker room; she's blatantly attention seeking, but then awkward as hell once she's the center of attention, making messes everywhere she goes, and then regrets/can't explain her actions so the vocal fry and tears hit full effect as she's "done" for the zillionth time - lather, rinse, repeat.  

I remember being a middle school girl and becoming infatuated with different people...dressing like them, talking like them, liking the things they liked, liking the people they liked...wanting to be just like them.  But then I grew up and realized I'm the bees fuckin' knees and I want to be ME.  Kyle hasn't ever grown up and this whole Morgan situation was an infatuation that at 50-whatver years old Kyle STILL doesn't understand.  

[politichick]

11 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

So many of the women on these shows seem to forget how dirty their dogs are. Vanderpump thought it was appropriate to have her dogs at the dinner table. Bronwyn on Salt Lake is fine with dog shit on her floors, and that's with company over and cameras rolling.

The cameras were what made the dogs poop. They were nervous because they were there and it was a very hectic day. She has explained and apologized for this.