Chit-Chat: The Feels

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, Milk-Eyed Mender said:

Zelenskyy deserves all the Nobel Peace Prizes. The shame of this day will follow the felon and his merry band of lickspittles to the grave. I can only hope we don't have to wait too terribly long.

I just fired off an email to my Senator. I'm beyond angry.

[Lantern7]

I can’t add much to this conversation. I’m going through a few things right now, and I am exhausted.

Is anyone here brave enough to go to Fox, NewsMax and/or OAN right now? I can’t imagine how they’re polishing the knob. Last time YKW gave shit to Ukraine, the NY Post reamed him out on their front page. I don’t think that’ll happen for tomorrow’s front page.

Those fucking people. Unbelievable.

Oh, and the SOTU is on Tuesday. I hope everyone in the splash zone brings their ponchos, because there will be a LOT of splashing.

Edited 2 hours ago by Lantern7

[Annber03]

4 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

There are no words.

Our country is aligning itself with countries like Russia and North Korea. 

Great company we're keeping there. You must be so proud, Trump supporters. What could possibly go wrong with this nightmare alliance? 

[Dimity]

The Coward & The Hero: A Day of National Disgrace

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My stomach churns. The bile rises. Never in my lifetime have I seen a more shameful, more disgraceful occupant of the White House. A man who has so thoroughly soiled the seat of power that even history recoils. A traitor. A thug. A liar. A cheat. And today, a pathetic, desperate, pantomime dictator, trying to stare down the leader of Ukraine—Volodymyr Zelenskyy, a man who has stood before death, before the smoking ruins of his homeland, and still refuses to bow.

Trump? Trump isn’t fit to lace Zelenskyy’s boots. The bloated relic of a reality show presidency, slathered in an extra layer of high-polished orange shoe polish, face glowing like a jack-o’-lantern stuffed with state secrets. He sat there playing the part of a South American strongman from the ‘50s, puffed up and empty, all bark and bluster, but no spine, no soul. He thought he could roll over a man who has lived in the trenches of war. But Zelenskyy has seen real men die. He has heard the whistle of missiles meant to tear him apart. Trump has never heard anything louder than the sound of his own mouth.

So what did the orange tyrant do? He rattled on about Hunter Biden’s laptop. In the presence of a war hero, he ranted like an unhinged lunatic about a hard drive. Idiot speak. Straightjacket talk. A man devoid of vision, reduced to the same old grievances, same old conspiracy-laced dementia, as if the fate of nations could be debated on the level of a Fox News fever dream.

And then, the jester arrived—J.D. Vance, a third-rate clown who came not to stand for anything, but to clean Trump’s boots with his lips. He sat there, all smug obedience, waiting for his cue, eager to please his master in moments of fitful rage. No dignity. No independence. Just another political parasite feeding off the rot. This was one of the most sickening displays of cowardice in American history.

And across the border, Canada’s Trudeau—so often a punching bag for American conservatives—stood tall, shoulder to shoulder with Zelenskyy, a leader among leaders. He didn’t grovel. He didn’t cower. He didn’t babble like a lunatic about emails or laptops. He stood on the right side of history.

That’s the difference. That’s the stark, gut-wrenching reality.

On one side, men of honour.

On the other, grub worms in suits.

 

Billkingpiano.substack.com

Edited 2 hours ago by Dimity

[bluegirl147]

Let's see now.  Trump has pissed off most of the Middle East with his plans for Gaza.  Canada and Mexico.  Africa and Australia already hated him and now Europe because if Ukraine isn't protected then they aren't either.    And it's only been a month.  This is so much worse than we thought it would get.

[suomi]

Diplomacy dies on live TV as Trump and Vance gang up to bully Ukraine leader

Never has a US president bullied and berated an adversary, still less an ally, in such a public way. Of course the reality TV star and wrestling fan turned US president had it all play out on television for the benefit of his populist support base – and a certain bare-chested chum in the Kremlin.

There was a minor wrinkle over how much Europe support has given Ukraine, which ended with smiles, a playful but pointed tap on Zelenskyy, and ominous words from Trump: “Don’t argue with me.”

There was a hint of trouble to come when Zelenskyy arrived at the West Wing wearing a dark, long-sleeved shirt – not a suit – and Trump greeted him with a handshake and sarcasm: “Wow, look, you’re all dressed up!”

But the last 10 minutes of the nearly 45-minute meeting devolved into acrimony and chaos. Zelenskyy found himself ambushed by Trump and his serpentine vice-president, JD Vance. He was expected to sit back and take a beating from Nurse Ratched and Miss Trunchbull. He refused.

Exuding preternatural obnoxiousness, Vance said Joe Biden’s approach had failed and that diplomacy was the way forward. Noting Russia’s betrayals of trust in the past, Zelenskyy challenged: “What kind of diplomacy, JD, you are speaking about? What do you mean?”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-shouting-match-oval-office

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, bluegirl147 said:

This is so much worse than we thought it would get.

But he got the pronouns sorted and banned paper straws.  Let's focus on the accomplishments here.

[Ohiopirate02]

12 minutes ago, Dimity said:

But he got the pronouns sorted and banned paper straws.  Let's focus on the accomplishments here.

Hes also bound and determined to executive order away the existence of trans people.

And apparently he's signing another executive order to make English the official language of the US. Something that has never been done in the 248 year history of the country for multiple reasons. Also something that is not going to lower the cost of groceries or housing. 

[tres bien]

Zelensky was on FOX news tonight and was asked by Bret Baier if he was going to apologize for his behavior at the White House today which Zelensky basically said no 

When asked about Lindsey Graham’s suggesting he resign Zelensky basically told Lindsey to STFU

💪

[bluegirl147]

12 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Hes also bound and determined to executive order away the existence of trans people.

And apparently he's signing another executive order to make English the official language of the US. Something that has never been done in the 248 year history of the country for multiple reasons. Also something that is not going to lower the cost of groceries or housing. 

[Dimity]

[bluegirl147]

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

Every day I wake up and look at my phone to see if he is dead yet and then I think what fresh hell is he going to cause today. When he lost in 2020 to Biden it was like I could breathe after holding my breath for four years.  But he is doing so much damage now that even when he is gone we are all going to suffer from PTSD.

[tres bien]

Today Trump White House staffers were seen loading around 15 boxes of documents into Air Force One 

Team Trump says the boxes contain the classified documents that the FBI seized from Mara Logo in 2022😖

[fairffaxx]

57 minutes ago, Milk-Eyed Mender said:

Zelenskyy deserves all the Nobel Peace Prizes.

I agree -- can we vote for this outcome?

[Dimity]

4 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Team Trump says the boxes contain the classified documents that the FBI seized from Mara Logo in 2022😖

I bet I can guess the mailing address on the labels, comrade.

[bluegirl147]

5 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Today Trump White House staffers were seen loading around 15 boxes of documents into Air Force One 

Team Trump says the boxes contain the classified documents that the FBI seized from Mara Logo in 2022😖

Does he want them as a trophy? 

 

[peacheslatour]

15 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Today Trump White House staffers were seen loading around 15 boxes of documents into Air Force One 

Team Trump says the boxes contain the classified documents that the FBI seized from Mara Logo in 2022😖

I bet it's even dumber than that. It's probably thousands of McDonalds wrappers, empty diet Coke cans and styrofoam containers

[DanaMB]

1 hour ago, suomi said:

The Trump administration has publicly and privately signaled that it does not believe Russia represents a cyber threat against US national security or critical infrastructure, marking a radical departure from longstanding intelligence assessments.

The shift in policy could make the US vulnerable to hacking attacks by Russia, experts warned, and appeared to reflect the warming of relations between Donald Trump and Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin.

Two recent incidents indicate the US is no longer characterizing Russia as a cyber security threat.

Liesyl Franz, deputy assistant secretary for international cybersecurity at the state department, said in a speech last week before a United Nations working group on cyber security that the US was concerned by threats perpetrated by some states but only named China and Iran, with no mention of Russia in her remarks. Franz also did not mention the Russia-based LockBit ransomware group, which the US has previously said is the most prolific ransomware group in the world and has been called out in UN forums in the past. The treasury last year said LockBit operates on a ransomeware-as-service model, in which the group licenses its ransomware software to criminals in exchange for a portion of the paid ransoms.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-russia-hacking-cyber-security

How is this our current reality?

[Absolom]

11 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

There has been talk by the conservatives over many years of creating a means test for ordinary Social Security retirement. It’s another one of their goals. 

Yes, but this was talking about existing law and programs.

[Dimity]

51 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Zelensky was on FOX news tonight and was asked by Bret Baier if he was going to apologize for his behavior at the White House today which Zelensky basically said no 

What on earth does Zelensky have to apologize for?  Not kissing up to the Mob leader?  Only Fox would ever think for one second that this was a reasonable question to ask after the way Vance and Trump humiliated the nation with the cameras rolling.

[EtheltoTillie]

1 minute ago, Absolom said:

Yes, but this was talking about existing law and programs.

I read that as someone talking about proposed changes 

[Annber03]

36 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Every day I wake up and look at my phone to see if he is dead yet and then I think what fresh hell is he going to cause today. When he lost in 2020 to Biden it was like I could breathe after holding my breath for four years.  But he is doing so much damage now that even when he is gone we are all going to suffer from PTSD.

And everyone who proudly voted for him and are cheering him on right now gets to own every last bit of the horrific fallout from all of his actions. Everything that happens from here on out is on Trump's hands. When the fallout from his shitty decisions hits the fan, I do not want to hear a single one of his supporters start blaming anyone else. Not a single one.  You all were proud to vote for him, you can take responsibility for everything that comes with that choice. No ifs, ands, or buts. 

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

But he got the pronouns sorted and banned paper straws.  Let's focus on the accomplishments here.

And at least we don't have someone in office with an unuusal laugh. 'Cause clearly that's the real concern here. 

15 minutes ago, DanaMB said:

How is this our current reality?

Because there are a lot of mind-numbingly stupid and selfish people out there. 

[suomi]

59 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Today Trump White House staffers were seen loading around 15 boxes of documents into Air Force One 

Team Trump says the boxes contain the classified documents that the FBI seized from Mara Logo in 2022😖

"The FBl is giving the president his property back that was taken during the unlawful and illegal raids. We are taking possession of the boxes today and loading them on to Air Force One,” Cheung said in a statement to reporters chosen by the White House to report on the journey.

Documents seized by FBI in Mar-a-Lago raid returned to Trump, White House says – live https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/feb/28/donald-trump-doge-labor-unions-volodymyr-zelenskyy-us-politics-live-news?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-67c23e028f08707b9b404db5#block-67c23e028f08707b9b404db5

Edited 59 minutes ago by suomi

[Lisa418722]

I have so much hatred for the Felon and all his enablers, from the people who voted for him, voted third party, or didn't vote because they didn't like either option.  We are going to be in WWIII before too long, and this time the USA will be on the wrong side of history.  

I have so much admiration for President Zelenskyy.  

When the reporter (I think it was) or whoever he was called President Zelenskyy out on how he was dressed and why he wasn't wearing a suit, I wanted someone to say, President Musk is always dressing sloppy and wears a ball cap; why don't you call him out on that?  

[bluegirl147]

There were so many ways to prevent this.  Not electing him in 2016.  Republicans having the balls to convict him in two impeachment trials.  Merrick Garland pursuing cases against him sooner.  Not electing him in 2024.   So to anyone who had the chance to stop him and didn't I would say go to hell but we are already here.

2 minutes ago, Lisa418722 said:

 We are going to be in WWIII before too long, and this time the USA will be on the wrong side of history.  

 

Maybe if we are lucky the Allies will come liberate us.  I'm not kidding.

[Dimity]

 

 

14 minutes ago, suomi said:

The FBl is giving the president his property back that was taken during the unlawful and illegal raids.

These were never Trump's, or any other president's, property.  They belong in the National Archives.  They are the property of the nation, not one petty little tinpot dictator.

Edited 46 minutes ago by Dimity

[DanaMB]

28 minutes ago, Lisa418722 said:

I have so much hatred for the Felon and all his enablers, from the people who voted for him, voted third party, or didn't vote because they didn't like either option.  We are going to be in WWIII before too long, and this time the USA will be on the wrong side of history.  

I have so much admiration for President Zelenskyy.  

When the reporter (I think it was) or whoever he was called President Zelenskyy out on how he was dressed and why he wasn't wearing a suit, I wanted someone to say, President Musk is always dressing sloppy and wears a ball cap; why don't you call him out on that?  

I read it was MTG's boyfriend who asked.

I can't believe it's only been 2 months. 46 more months to go.

 

ETA... It's only been one month. Holy fuck.  47 to go.

Edited 31 minutes ago by DanaMB

[Mollywolly555]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

Every day I wake up and look at my phone to see if he is dead yet and then I think what fresh hell is he going to cause today. When he lost in 2020 to Biden it was like I could breathe after holding my breath for four years.  But he is doing so much damage now that even when he is gone we are all going to suffer from PTSD.

St,  I don't wish for this,  because I think Vance is worse...purposely evil.

[anony.miss]

World leaders respond, refusing to abandon Ukraine:

Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau on X:

"Russia illegally and unjustifiably invaded Ukraine. For three years now, Ukrainians have fought with courage and resilience. Their fight for democracy, freedom, and sovereignty is a fight that matters to us all. Canada will continue to stand with Ukraine and Ukrainians in achieving a just and lasting peace."

German chancellor Olaf Scholz:

"No one wants peace more than the citizens of Ukraine! That is why we are jointly seeking the path to a lasting and just peace. Ukraine can rely on Germany – and on Europe."

French president Emmanuel Macron:

"Russia is the aggressor, and Ukraine is the aggressed people. I think we were all right to help Ukraine and sanction Russia three years ago, and to continue to do so. We, that is the United States of America, the Europeans, the Canadians, the Japanese and many others. And we must thank all those who have helped and respect those who have been fighting since the beginning. Because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence, their children and the security of Europe. These are simple things, but they’re good to remember at times like these, that’s all."

Spokesperson for UK prime minister Keir Starmer:

"He retains his unwavering support for Ukraine and is playing his part to find a path forward to a lasting peace, based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine."

Danish foreign minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen

"It’s a punch in the gut for Ukraine. ... There must be room for robust conversations - even between friends. But when it happens in front of rolling cameras like that, there is only one winner. And he sits in the Kremlin."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/feb/28/volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-us-minerals-deal-russia-ukraine-live-news

Western democracies now know that the U.S. will not fight tyranny, but enable it. The Greatest Generation must be turning over in their graves.

 

Edited 37 minutes ago by anony.miss

[graybrown bird]

3 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

World leaders respond, refusing to abandon Ukraine:

Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau on X:

"Russia illegally and unjustifiably invaded Ukraine. For three years now, Ukrainians have fought with courage and resilience. Their fight for democracy, freedom, and sovereignty is a fight that matters to us all. Canada will continue to stand with Ukraine and Ukrainians in achieving a just and lasting peace."

German chancellor Olaf Scholz:

"No one wants peace more than the citizens of Ukraine! That is why we are jointly seeking the path to a lasting and just peace. Ukraine can rely on Germany – and on Europe."

French president Emmanuel Macron:

"Russia is the aggressor, and Ukraine is the aggressed people. I think we were all right to help Ukraine and sanction Russia three years ago, and to continue to do so. We, that is the United States of America, the Europeans, the Canadians, the Japanese and many others. And we must thank all those who have helped and respect those who have been fighting since the beginning. Because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence, their children and the security of Europe. These are simple things, but they’re good to remember at times like these, that’s all."

Spokesperson for UK prime minister Keir Starmer:

"He retains his unwavering support for Ukraine and is playing his part to find a path forward to a lasting peace, based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine."

Danish foreign minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen

"It’s a punch in the gut for Ukraine. ... There must be room for robust conversations - even between friends. But when it happens in front of rolling cameras like that, there is only one winner. And he sits in the Kremlin."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/feb/28/volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-us-minerals-deal-russia-ukraine-live-news

Western democracies now know that the United States will not fight tyranny, but enable it  - the Greatest Generation must be turning over in their graves.

 

How heartening to read these clear words of solidarity and support for Ukraine and our shared values!  Trump and his lackeys do not speak for me.

[Dimity]

[peacheslatour]

38 minutes ago, Lisa418722 said:

I have so much hatred for the Felon and all his enablers, from the people who voted for him, voted third party, or didn't vote because they didn't like either option.  We are going to be in WWIII before too long, and this time the USA will be on the wrong side of history.  

I have so much admiration for President Zelenskyy.  

When the reporter (I think it was) or whoever he was called President Zelenskyy out on how he was dressed and why he wasn't wearing a suit, I wanted someone to say, President Musk is always dressing sloppy and wears a ball cap; why don't you call him out on that?  

At least Zelenskyy was dressed like a commander in chief. Our president dresses  like 16 year old boy.

[Ohiopirate02]

26 minutes ago, Mollywolly555 said:

St,  I don't wish for this,  because I think Vance is worse...purposely evil.

The only saving grace is Vance lacks the charisma of Trump. He does not have it in him to sustain MAGA and get the rest of the party to fall in line. 

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The only saving grace is Vance lacks the charisma of Trump. He does not have it in him to sustain MAGA and get the rest of the party to fall in line. 

I agree. He's an empty vessel and he won't get anything like the support and blind devotion that Trump gets. Which I get but what does anyone see in Donald Trump? He's nepo baby who was born on third base and thinks he hit a home run. He's a bloated dishonest gas bag and he always has been.

[Dimity]

27 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

World leaders respond, refusing to abandon Ukraine:

Did Starmer have anything to say?  Bloody coward shoved Canada under the bus yesterday, too busy sucking up to Herr Trump to remember the thousands of Canadians who fought and died for his country not so very many years ago.

[Bastet]

3 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Did Starmer have anything to say? 

Only through a spokesperson:

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A No 10 spokesperson said: "The prime minister has tonight spoken to both President Trump and President Zelensky.

"He retains unwavering support for Ukraine, and is doing all he can to find a path forward to a lasting peace based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine.

"The prime minister looks forward to hosting international leaders on Sunday including President Zelensky."

 

Edited 4 minutes ago by Bastet

[Dimity]

If Starmer and King Charles don't step up they will find they've lost another member of the Commonwealth.  Appeasing a tyrant didn't work for Chamberlain and it won't work for Starmer - does he want to play this hand?