Chit-Chat: The Feels

[bluegirl147]

27 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

The problem is the media.  Both sides of the media.  I watch all channels, local news, world news.  The information Fox News presents is not the whole story, much like Rachel Maddow who will leave out key components.  Both are intentionally putting out just enough to be “truth” while leaving out just enough to get people sad, mad, or scared.  You must know this.

 

 

While I agree the media has done us a huge disservice with how they report things I am also going to blame voters and people who didn't vote. It's not like we didn't know who Trump was.  Now for people who wanted him to do what he is doing then fine you got what you wanted.  But for all those people who are complaining they didn't know Trump told us what he was going to do. At some point you have to take responsiblity for what you choose to believe.

 

I remember when Trump finally got outed for cheating on Ivana with Marla in Aspen.  He literally ran away. Well actually he skied away.  Most men when they get caught they show some contrition. But not Donald.  He bragged about it and nobody seemed to hold it against him. 

[Anela]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Wxzo02UoF30

Protests happening in all fifty States.  

[Dimity]

33 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

But not Donald.  He bragged about it and nobody seemed to hold it against him. 

Based on the misogynist crap that clogged my FB page yesterday this is because men (and some women too sadly) think a man cheats because his wife is (a) withholding sex (whatcha gonna do, amirite?) or (b) because his wife....blah blah blah.  It's never because the guy is a bastard.  Nope. 

[bluegirl147]

5 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Based on the misogynist crap that clogged my FB page yesterday this is because men (and some women too sadly) think a man cheats because his wife is (a) withholding sex (whatcha gonna do, amirite?) or (b) because his wife....blah blah blah.  It's never because the guy is a bastard.  Nope. 

It's true.  The wife is blamed for not being able to keep him home and the woman he is cheating with is blamed for being with a married man. You know who isn't blamed? The cheating married man.

Not that I had any sympathy for her but when Marla was married to Trump she was caught late at night on the beach with her bodyguard.  The narrative was omg she is cheating.  Like how dare she. Pretty sure Trump was already cheating with Melania by then.

[Spartan Girl]

50 minutes ago, Anela said:

https://www.youtube.com/live/Wxzo02UoF30

Protests happening in all fifty States.  

I work in downtown Lansing and I saw one at the Capitol. Four years ago I’d be cheering them on, but after the election I’m more cynical. Where was this energy when it was time to vote? How many of these protestors actually voted when we needed them to?

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Misogynists? The Trump Regime? You libs are always overreacting!

 

[Lugal]

10 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Appreciate your response, but I can assure you that I don't worship anyone and I'm not laughing about it either. I Initially came here for the same reason that I watch the View...to learn why half the country hates our president. And I spent the last 4 years listening to the same mantra day in and day out. 

I don't know why I thought this thread would be different, but from my perspective it was the same old tropes repeatedly. And just as people are curious as to what I like/dislike about the man, not once have I heard anyone give him  credit for anything positive, such as the possibility of ending a war in the middle east that nobody wants. He appears to have the respect of other world leaders and IMO that's a good thing to help keep us ALL safe in our respective countries.

Did anyone see his joint conference with the leader of Israel today? Netanyahu couldn't say enough good things about working with Trump. And for all our sakes, let's pray Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons or we're all dead. 

OK, I'll play.  I can give Trump credit for attempting to find a path toward peace in Korea.  I'll also give him credit for attempting to talk to Putin (when 2 countries have thousands of nukes pointed at each other, I think they should be talking).  And I will give him credit for pushing through the Gaza ceasefire.

I don't think the rest of the world respects Trump, but are more afraid of what he might do.  He talks about taking Greenland from NATO ally Denmark, or reclaiming the Panama Canal.  Not to mention backing Israel to the hilt.

Trump's assassination of Soleimani was by all reasonable definitions an act of war.  Only Iranian restraint prevented what could have very easily have blown up into a regional war.  A war with Iran would be disastrous, even if they don't have nukes, because they can close the Straits.  As for Iran not getting a nuke, I'll point out that it was Trump that withdrew from the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran (a deal that Biden, to his shame, never rejoined or renegotiated).

And of course Netanyahu couldn't say enough good things about Trump, Trump was offering to ethnically cleanse Gaza for him. Not to mention Trump's announcement when asked if he'll put US troops in Gaza:

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“As far as Gaza is concerned, we’ll do what is necessary. If it’s necessary, we’ll do that. We’re going to take over that piece that we’re going to develop it,” he said.

[Dimity]

I know it's pointless but whenever I read posts like the above or the rare occasions when I watch the news I want to sit down some of Trump's celebrity endorsers like Snoop Dogg for instance and ask them "is this what you want? is this what you thought you'd be getting?"  But sadly I know the answer will be (if they were under a cone of honesty) "as long as I make money I don't give a damn".

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

I know it's pointless but whenever I read posts like the above or the rare occasions when I watch the news I want to sit down some of Trump's celebrity endorsers like Snoop Dogg for instance and ask them "is this what you want? is this what you thought you'd be getting?"  But sadly I know the answer will be (if they were under a cone of honesty) "as long as I make money I don't give a damn".

I just got my monthly statement from my fiduciary, I lost 10K in the last thirty days. Laugh it up Trumpers.

[Dimity]

6 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I just got my monthly statement from my fiduciary, I lost 10K in the last thirty days. Laugh it up Trumpers

It's only going to get worse.  Well for ordinary Americans.  The ones President Musk (Trump) doesn't care about in the slightest bit. 

My husband (the news addict) was just telling me grocery prices are set to rise in the US.  When I think of all those idiotic memes I was seeing a few weeks ago saying things like "now we can eat again" as if they'd just spent the last 4 years starving on a desert island it's just pathetic.

But hey at least they don't have to listen to Kamala laugh, they dodged that bullet. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Dimity

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

 

There was a protest in the city I work in today. And the comments on the new story on FB did not disappoint.  The usual someone is paying them to they are all out of work welfare cheats. I'm sure some of those commenters participated in the Trump trains that happened between 2021 and 2024.  A bunch of vehicles decked out in Trump gear would randomly start a parade on Saturdays.   They even did one with boats on the river. But sure it's the people protesting fascism that are the lovers.

53 minutes ago, Dimity said:

 

My husband (the news addict) was just telling me grocery prices are set to rise in the US.  When I think of all those idiotic memes I was seeing a few weeks ago saying things like "now we can eat again" as if they'd just spent the last 4 years starving on a desert island it's just pathetic.

If grocery prices are rising it's because we are getting gouged.  Again.

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, bluegirl147 said:

There was a protest in the city I work in today. And the comments on the new story on FB did not disappoint.  The usual someone is paying them to they are all out of work welfare cheats. I'm sure some of those commenters participated in the Trump trains that happened between 2021 and 2024.  A bunch of vehicles decked out in Trump gear would randomly start a parade on Saturdays.   They even did one with boats on the river. But sure it's the people protesting fascism that are the lovers.

If grocery prices are rising it's because we are getting gouged.  Again.

B..but Trump said only he could fix it? Why hasn't he fixed it? It's because of those evil Democrats, isn't  it?

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

B..but Trump said only he could fix it? Why hasn't he fixed it? It's because of those evil Democrats, isn't  it?

If there is an election 4 years from now and the Dems win they will be expected to fix the smoking crater that Musk/Trump will leave them in a week.  Or less.  If they can't they will forever aferwards be considered the reason 'we're in this mess'.  It's the republican pattern.

[Browncoat]

4 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

It's because of those evil Democrats, isn't  it?

Nah, we all know it's because of the immigrants!  Especially one immigrant from South Africa....

 

[kittykat]

47 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Just read that apparently Waffle House is adding .50 cents per egg to the prices on their menu.  So all you "golly I only voted for Trump because of the price of eggs" how's that working out for you?

Costco was completely out of eggs yesterday.  I know it's bird flu causing shortages but it's pretty telling we're already at rationing.

Trump ran on "I'm lowering your grocery prices" won on it and broke that promise first chance he got, he does one defend that?

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, kittykat said:

 

Trump ran on "I'm lowering your grocery prices" won on it and broke that promise first chance he got, he does one defend that?

We have seen Trump fuck over his wives and other family members. People he hired to work for him.  People enrolled in Trump University.  People who were supposed to get money from his charities.  So why would anyone not think he would fuck over the American people?

[Bastet]

12 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Did anyone see his joint conference with the leader of Israel today? Netanyahu couldn't say enough good things about working with Trump.

He's a war criminal, with a warrant out for his arrest from the ICC, accused by the UN (among others) of committing genocide.  What a character reference.

[Suzn]

3 hours ago, Notabug said:

Trump gave an interview where he agreed with the interviewer that his then young adult daughter was a 'hot piece of a**' and on more than one occasion stated that, if she wasn't his daughter, he'd want to date her.

 

Even more disturbing is that when saying he'd want to "date" her, he really means a different word than "date".  Pervert!

[Dimity]

10 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

So why would anyone not think he would fuck over the American people?

It's incredible.  I know at least some of the answer is "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."  But I think the main answer is never underestimate the power of hatred.  Far too many of his supporters are fueled by hatred and even if they end up worse off thanks to Trump as long as they think someone else is even more worse off they'll feel he did them proud.

[Kemper]

So sorry (again) for the long post. And this is just my opinion. But I feel this is one of the reasons we have gotten to where we are this past couple of weeks. My beloved Mr. Kemper retired from a large federal tax collecting agency, working out of the National Office in DC. He was hired not long after college - when the Agency started automating (computerizing) the processing of tax returns. His entire office would spend a lot of November thru January at the computing center in Martinsburg, WV; testing the programs they had written/rewritten. This would ensure the programs and computers could handle the changes in tax laws for the previous year. Many coming from Congress; sometimes at the behest of lobbyists. 

I know we were lucky; IRS and Treasury ... basically all federal workers... never had to worry about being laid off, decent health insurance (it was not free). They collected vacation and sick days by the number of hours, days, etc. that they worked. Government salaries were a bit less at the time than the private sector; but employees stayed for the security. And many loved what they were doing. And yes, again, I know we were fortunate. Salaries? We took out loans, like most everyone, for our kid's education. For cars, houses, sometimes hospital bills.

Mr. Kemper, like most government employees, did not work harder than people in the private sector. But the narrative for quite a few years now(starting with Reagan) has tried to demonize federal employees as basically lazy pigs at the trough. So it is no surprise that Trump and Musk have been able to get away with the gutting of federal agencies.  Magas (thanks to Trump) always have to have someone to blame for their place in life. Many have voted down unions; trusting that corporations will do the right thing by them. I would be all for this if it was only true.

Edited 15 hours ago by Kemper

[tessaray]

2 hours ago, Lugal said:

OK, I'll play.  I can give Trump credit for attempting to find a path toward peace in Korea.  I'll also give him credit for attempting to talk to Putin (when 2 countries have thousands of nukes pointed at each other, I think they should be talking).  And I will give him credit for pushing through the Gaza ceasefire.

After delaying it so Biden wouldn't get credit, so maybe only half a point credit. 

I'd give Trump credit for taking a stab at criminal justice reform as well as Operation Warpspeed for the Covid vaccine.  It's ironic that his major achievement (other than tax cuts for the wealthy) got booed at his rallies. 

It was shocking to me how deranged Trump sounded at that press conference. Doesn't this man have anyone who is worried about his mental health? Or is everyone just averting their eyes until the day they can safely hustle him offstage and invoke the 25th amendment? 

[bluegirl147]

10 minutes ago, tessaray said:

 

It was shocking to me how deranged Trump sounded at that press conference. Doesn't this man have anyone who is worried about his mental health? Or is everyone just averting their eyes until the day they can safely hustle him offstage and invoke the 25th amendment? 

Once he stops being their useful idiot he will be gone. One way or another.

[PRgal]

10 minutes ago, tessaray said:

After delaying it so Biden wouldn't get credit, so maybe only half a point credit. 

I'd give Trump credit for taking a stab at criminal justice reform as well as Operation Warpspeed for the Covid vaccine.  It's ironic that his major achievement (other than tax cuts for the wealthy) got booed at his rallies. 

It was shocking to me how deranged Trump sounded at that press conference. Doesn't this man have anyone who is worried about his mental health? Or is everyone just averting their eyes until the day they can safely hustle him offstage and invoke the 25th amendment? 

I don't think Republicans believe in mental health care.  nd even if they DO invoke the 25th, that would mean JD will hold office.  He can be a hit or miss.  Is he fake it 'til you make it or is he....worse?

[peacheslatour]

8 minutes ago, PRgal said:

I don't think Republicans believe in mental health care.  nd even if they DO invoke the 25th, that would mean JD will hold office.  He can be a hit or miss.  Is he fake it 'til you make it or is he....worse?

Vance is an empty suit. He will never inspire the kind of weird-ass loyalty Trump does, in fact at that point I think Elon would get bored and wander off to wreak havoc elsewhere.

[Ohiopirate02]

The only problem with using the 25th Amendment is that it requires Vance, the majority leaders of Congress, and the majority of Trump's cabinet to be on board with declaring Trump unfit for office. And then 2/3 of Congress has to vote for Vance to take over.

[PRgal]

5 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Vance is an empty suit. He will never inspire the kind of weird-ass loyalty Trump does, in fact at that point I think Elon would get bored and wander off to wreak havoc elsewhere.

How long do you think Elon will last?  I’m not sure he’ll be around by summer.  

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, PRgal said:

How long do you think Elon will last?  I’m not sure he’ll be around by summer.  

Good lord willing and the creek don't rise. ;-)

[Dimity]

19 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Once he stops being their useful idiot he will be gone. One way or another.

I saw a few posts today with the betting going to Iran or Hamas taking him out if he actually does try to get American boots on the ground in Gaza. 

[heatherchandler]

 

On 2/4/2025 at 9:09 AM, Yeah No said:

I agree with you. I think stating how you don't respect an opinion can be done WITH respect for the person stating it just the way you're doing right now. The difference is focusing on the opinion itself and not the person. That's a hard distinction to make in practice but one that can and should be mastered on a board where conflicting opinions are shared if there is any hope of it not devolving into a flame war. Of course the person on the receiving end might take it personally anyway but you can't be held responsible for that.

I personally think most Trump supporters and Republicans don't think they're supporting stripping anyone of their rights. They may actually disagree with and don't support Trump and his MAGA crew about that stuff but they don't see it as the horrible offense that most of us do here or just don't care that much about it. Or they're just tuning it out and focusing on what they do like. That's what I think. Of course I don't agree with that either.

But that’s already happened here, people have said (typed) “I hate Republicans, I’m not giving anyone grace, etc.”  So it’s absolutely directed toward people.

 

Of course not.  And they are focused on what they do like, very happy with what he’s doing and how quickly he is getting things done.

 

22 hours ago, Anela said:

I’m just saying, we’re lucky to have this thread at all. 
I’d like to know if the trump supporters are fine with what Elon is doing.  Or with trump saying he won’t feel responsible if someone harms fauci, now that he’s removed his security.  

 

Yes they are very glad.  They are looking at it as cutting down government bloat.  That is actually a huge problem, I agree with that.  So much money wasted.  I am mostly happy because I hate to hear about the money sent to other countries for animal experiments.  I am glad to hear that is being stopped, at least for now.  
The problem with how he’s doing it is that he’s throwing the baby out with the bath water.

 

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

I know it's pointless but whenever I read posts like the above or the rare occasions when I watch the news I want to sit down some of Trump's celebrity endorsers like Snoop Dogg for instance and ask them "is this what you want? is this what you thought you'd be getting?"  But sadly I know the answer will be (if they were under a cone of honesty) "as long as I make money I don't give a damn".

Yes!  Again, yes they expected this and are glad.  Trump said he would handle immigration, and he tackled it.  He said he would deal with government spending and he’s shutting it all down.  His followers are impressed with all of this.  

[tessaray]

19 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The only problem with using the 25th Amendment is that it requires Vance, the majority leaders of Congress, and the majority of Trump's cabinet to be on board with declaring Trump unfit for office. And then 2/3 of Congress has to vote for Vance to take over.

I thought that was only if Trump disputed his fitness that Congress got involved. If he can't/doesn't, then Vance is president. Congress does have to approve a new vice-president. 

It's all moot though. As long as Trump is breathing, I doubt anyone would dare. 

[Dimity]

I made the mistake of reading a few articles about what Musk is doing and the access he now has to private data for US citizens.  Anyone who can defend this is almost as scary to me as he is.

 

[Dimity]

[Ohiopirate02]

43 minutes ago, tessaray said:

I thought that was only if Trump disputed his fitness that Congress got involved. If he can't/doesn't, then Vance is president. Congress does have to approve a new vice-president. 

It's all moot though. As long as Trump is breathing, I doubt anyone would dare. 

I am not a constitutional scholar, so it's very well possible I am misreading the amendment. It's also a fail-safe that has never been employed for there to be any research on it. I do agree that it is a moot point because the cabinet Trump is putting together was designed by him to stop this from happening. A bunch of sycophants is not a recipe for people who will band together to oust the guy who got them all their jobs nor is JD Vance the kind of guy who could persuade the cabinet to undertake this route. 

[bluegirl147]

2 hours ago, Dimity said:

I saw a few posts today with the betting going to Iran or Hamas taking him out if he actually does try to get American boots on the ground in Gaza. 

Let's not forget Osama Bin Laden hated the US having a military presence in the Middle East so much he planned and executed terrorist attacks against us.  So I'm pretty sure boots on the ground in Gaza will not turn out well.  But hey gotta feed those defense contractors.

And any development done to that land will have Trump profiting from it I'm sure so that means he would be using our military to benefit himself.  But hey MAGA anything for your cult leader right?  So instead drinking the Kool Aid you can just go fight in a war.

[Dimity]

15 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

So instead drinking the Kool Aid you can just go fight in a war.

And if your sons or daughters, husband or wife die in that war we all know what Trump will have to say about them.  "Suckers."

[Annber03]

7 hours ago, Notabug said:

I think it is a pretty safe bet that Trump is not a good father.  

There's also the fact that his family was actively stealing money from a children's cancer charity they were involved with. 

Trump is virtually incapable of being a decent human being. On any level. 

[heatherchandler]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

 

I just bought eggs and they were $5 for 18 and cage free so it obviously depends on where you shop.  Although I live in a super high cost of living area so…  Anyway it was never actually about the price of eggs.  It’s about safety and feeling like ALL things will go back to “normal,” which means being having enough money to cover expenses.  Also without the government spending all of our money on nonsense.  I’m independent so I’m seeing both sides and the people fixating on the eggs can’t see the forest for the trees.

As people kept screaming from the rooftop when Biden was President, he can’t do anything about the price of eggs!  

[annzeepark914]

I paid $4.69 for a dozen large eggs today at Wegmans. Is this a deal (or no deal)?

Didn't watch much news this evening. The deepening & spreading concern re: Musk & his henchmen/women taking over agencies, getting their mitts on personal info' of millions of Americans, is now scary. Any of them could sell this gold mine of personal data to the highest bidders.

 

[Annber03]

I genuinely do not get why someone can't just come in and throw Musk and his minions out of there. They have no legal power here, just toss their asses out on the lawn and lock them out. 

[ProudMary]

41 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I genuinely do not get why someone can't just come in and throw Musk and his minions out of there. They have no legal power here, just toss their asses out on the lawn and lock them out. 

Because this is Federal, it would require a functional Department of Justice, including the FBI, that under normal circumstances works for the people of the United States, but here in Bizarro World, the DOJ now answers to DJT first. There *may* come a point where he wants Musk removed. Only then will that action be taken.

There is, however a civil lawsuit brought today by three federal unions requesting a temporary restraining order against Musk for violation of privacy laws. The judge seems likely to grant it tomorrow. Whether Musk chooses to obey the TRO is another story. The judge could hold him in contempt, but that will require him to be arrested.  

Here's the story:

Judge appears likely to block DOGE from accessing Treasury Department records

https://abc7ny.com/post/judge-appears-block-doge-accessing-treasury-department-records/15870284/

 

[annzeepark914]

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Fixed that. ;-) It's just him and his gang of broccoli headed techtweens.

I thought Musk installed a young woman (from one of EM's businesses) at the Office of Personnel Management (which is why I included women). I doubt she's joined the guys upstairs sleeping on pull out couches.

[Annber03]

3 minutes ago, ProudMary said:

Because this is Federal, it would require a functional Department of Justice, including the FBI, that under normal circumstances works for the people of the United States, but here in Bizarro World, the DOJ now answers to DJT first. There *may* come a point where he wants Musk removed. Only then will that action be taken.

There is, however a civil lawsuit brought today by three federal unions requesting a temporary restraining order against Musk for violation of privacy laws. The judge seems likely to grant it tomorrow. Whether Musk chooses to obey the TRO is another story. The judge could hold him in contempt, but that will require him to be arrested.  

Here's the story:

Judge appears likely to block DOGE from accessing Treasury Department records

https://abc7ny.com/post/judge-appears-block-doge-accessing-treasury-department-records/15870284/

 

Good. I hope the judge does decide to hold him in contempt. At the very least, I hope it's enough to scare him away from there. 

[Dimity]

I would love to believe that Musk will back down but he is far more likely to disregard the judge.  With Trump's approval.  The US is in dictator territory right now,

[ProudMary]

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

I would love to believe that Musk will back down but he is far more likely to disregard the judge.  With Trump's approval.  The US is in dictator territory right now,

Oh, I agree. Who would arrest him without Trump's approval? 

[Eri]

10 minutes ago, ProudMary said:

Because this is Federal, it would require a functional Department of Justice, including the FBI, that under normal circumstances works for the people of the United States, but here in Bizarro World, the DOJ now answers to DJT first. There *may* come a point where he wants Musk removed. Only then will that action be taken.

There is, however a civil lawsuit brought today by three federal unions requesting a temporary restraining order against Musk for violation of privacy laws. The judge seems likely to grant it tomorrow. Whether Musk chooses to obey the TRO is another story. The judge could hold him in contempt, but that will require him to be arrested.  

Here's the story:

Judge appears likely to block DOGE from accessing Treasury Department records

https://abc7ny.com/post/judge-appears-block-doge-accessing-treasury-department-records/15870284/

 

Indeed. 

The perspectives I’ve encountered suggests that Musk changed/broke the way our court system reacts, particularly with his actions involving USAID. The executive orders from Trump were swiftly contested because the AGs were aware that something was on the horizon; they just needed to see the specific wording of the executive order when it was released to determine how to respond effectively. But this move by DOGE, wasn't even an executive order so it caught the courts completely flatfooted since they can only respond but so quickly.

The genie is out of the bottle now. That's why the reaction to dismantling USAID is quite important. I'm sure there are many Americans who might think, "Oh, that's something that doesn't really affect me since it's foreign aid," but if Musk is able to make this move with USAID without consequences, I wouldn't put it past him to target other programs in the future as well.

I hope AGs go on the offense against DOGE - bury them in all sorts of legal complexities, of which I'll bet there's plenty, before they give the entire government the Twitter treatment.

[partofme]

5 minutes ago, Eri said:

The genie is out of the bottle now. That's why the reaction to dismantling USAID is quite important. I'm sure there are many Americans who might think, "Oh, that's something that doesn't really affect me since it's foreign aid," but if Musk is able to make this move with USAID without consequences, I wouldn't put it past him to target other programs in the future as well.

It is foreign aid and doesn’t directly affect us here, but I saw the director of USAID on Colbert and she said that the work they do eradicating diseases like Ebola in other countries is the reason we don’t have these diseases here.  So it does indirectly affect us and if their aid is completely cut off these diseases will spread worldwide.  

[Eri]

Exactly. It's a sad state of affairs for sure.

I have friends in repressed nations who are already feeling the effects of this:

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/hiv-clinics-close-across-africa-after-trump-administration-issues-stop-work-order/

You can't expect quality service when you're harassing and firing the people doing the work, whether domestic or abroad.

Edited 8 hours ago by Eri

[Kemper]

The price of eggs was always a dog whistle, just to stir The Base up. Sadly, it worked.

[Bastet]

30 minutes ago, Eri said:

The executive orders from Trump were swiftly contested because the AGs were aware that something was on the horizon; they just needed to see the specific wording of the executive order when it was released to determine how to respond effectively. But this move by DOGE, wasn't even an executive order so it caught the courts completely flatfooted since they can only respond but so quickly.

That is indeed accurate; civil rights organizations and state AGs had lawsuits drafted based on what Trump threatened to do, just needing to fill in details and quickly file.  But Elon taking over the Treasury wasn't on the radar - and is batshit fucking crazy, so it's not like there's a bunch of precedence to cite - so legal challenges are slower to come.  Congress is who needs to rise up first on that, and Democrats on the House Oversight Committee did try to subpoena Musk today to answer for this shit, but their Republican counterparts blocked it.

[peacheslatour]

47 minutes ago, Bastet said:

That is indeed accurate; civil rights organizations and state AGs had lawsuits drafted based on what Trump threatened to do, just needing to fill in details and quickly file.  But Elon taking over the Treasury wasn't on the radar - and is batshit fucking crazy, so it's not like there's a bunch of precedence to cite - so legal challenges are slower to come.  Congress is who needs to rise up first on that, and Democrats on the House Oversight Committee did try to subpoena Musk today to answer for this shit, but their Republican counterparts blocked it.

The Oversight Committee. Isn't that the committee that they decided some old guy would do better than AOC?