Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

He literally pardoned people who participated in storming the capital, and his administration is paying money to the family of the woman who died in some kind of wrongful death settlement. What more proof is needed that Trump agrees with what happened?

I believe he is also on record calling them "patriots" and "hostages" and referred the date as a "day of love".

This according to Google AI on the search for "did trump call jan 6 protestors patriots". (link)

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Trump's rhetoric: Trump has used terms like "patriots" and "hostages" to describe those who participated in the January 6th riot and have been charged or imprisoned.

Promises of Pardons: He has also repeatedly promised to pardon those charged and convicted in connection with the attack, including those convicted of assaulting police.

Characterization of the event: Trump has described the events of January 6th as a "day of love" and characterized the participants as victims of political persecution.

Campaign promises: Trump has stated that one of his first actions upon returning to the White House would be to "Free the January 6 Hostages". 

If that doesn't prove that he approved of what happened I don't know what would.

[Dimity]

7 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

As someone once pointed out, if he found a cure for cancer, Dems would be shouting "we love cancer".

Is this the same 'someone' that Trump is always quoting?  Whoever it is that was a particularly contemptible thing to say.  I am surprised that you would even consider sharing that here, especially given that you must know several of your fellow posters have had cancer and several more, probably many more, have lost family and friends to cancer.

Trump has no interest in finding a cure for cancer, well, no I should correct myself here - if he could use that cure to make a profit...no, you know what, not even then.  Although, that said, he did once have a scam charity that purported to be raising money for children with cancer.  

He simply does not care at all about people who are sick - he would probably call them suckers.

Edited May 26 by Dimity

[Blergh]

Remember, Andrew Jackson adopted an orphaned Creek Native American baby he called Lyncoya (c.1811-1828)after finding the infant was found in his slaughtered mother's arms after a horrific massacre and burning of the village by US troops. That tiny act of mercy on Jackson's part by NO means erased all the xenophobic and genocidal 'tudes against Native Americans that Jackson held before or after that single credit. 

'Some of my best friends are. ..' indeed! BLEAH!!!

[tres bien]

Lucky us Trump put out a kooky vile Memorial Day message which I invite you to read but I won’t post because it’s insane as usual 

And if you haven’t had your fill he’ll be giving a speech at Arlington National Cemetery at 11 am which he announced and ended by saying ENJOY!

He should never be allowed near that hallowed site

 

Edited May 26 by tres bien

[Dimity]

King Charles is in Ottawa for the opening of parliament (and thank you Trump for helping Carney stay on as PM) and I was just reading an article about how support for the monarchy here in Canada has risen from 30% to 60%.  This has occurred since Trump started in with insulting our country, threatening us with tariffs and invasion and insisting we want to be the 51st state.  The one good thing that feeble old man has done is bring us together as a country - well except for Danielle "Quisling" Smith (premier of Alberta).

Edited May 26 by Dimity

[tres bien]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

I remember people being outraged if Obama didn't wear a flag pin.

I remember the right loosing their minds when President Obama wore a tan suit 

🤣

[DanaMB]

49 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Lucky us Trump put out a kooky vile Memorial Day message which I invite you to read but I won’t post because it’s insane as usual 

I read it. He is absolutely vile. 
 

Can’t wait to see how the sycophants twist themselves to  defend this. 
 

Except I probably won’t see it. 😉

[peacheslatour]

Why are these leopards eating my face? Now he has a sad about having to milk his own cows, alone, in the dark at four o'clock in the morning. Boo fucking hoo.

"We didn't want drugs or gangbangers," he said. But what he didn't expect was losing some of his most dedicated employees to immigration arrests.
"It's scaring the farming community," Machia admitted. "We didn't think they'd come for the people who help us milk cows."

According to the University of Vermont, 94% of dairy farms that hire outside help rely on migrants, mostly undocumented workers from Mexico.

So, they know that they're breaking the law by hiring undocumented workers, yet 94% of them continue to do so - and whine about how they're no longer able to easily break the law and exploit those workers for their profit, because they voted for the GOP to oust only the racist stereotypes that they thought the GOP were going after?

https://thesarkariform.com/we-voted-for-trump-to-fix-the-border-now-were-milking-cows-alone-at-4-a-m-vermont-farmers-face-harsh-reality-as-ice-raids-hit-home/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

 

[shapeshifter]

20 hours ago, Dimity said:

He is the president of the United States and he gives speeches wearing his stupid red ball cap. 

20 hours ago, BetyBee said:

He didn't remove his cap for the National Anthem.

likely either having a bad hair day or a fresh transplant or freshly treated skin cancer lesions.
Not worth focusing on, but something to note in case it later becomes relevant or significant.

 

20 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

And Johnson is a sample of One.  

a token (britannica.com/dictionary/tokenism).

[bluegirl147]

5 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

likely either having a bad hair day or a fresh transplant or freshly treated skin cancer lesions.
Not worth focusing on, but something to note in case it later becomes relevant 

That would be the height of hypocrisy wouldn't it?  If he has skin cancer and it hadn't been disclosed.

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, tres bien said:

I remember the right loosing their minds when President Obama wore a tan suit 

🤣

If only there were some sort of wearable device that one could wear to shield one's eyes from the sun.

[ProudMary]

12 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I'm just wondering how all of this is making us great again. Trump's out here disparaging soldiers and giving embarrassing, nonsensical speeches, we're the laughingstock of the world and other countries are boycotting our goods and services and warning people not to come here, nobody's intimidated by Trump's tariff threats the way he wants them to be, he's friendly with dictators and alienated our allies, prices continue to go up on things, our stock market and economy is unstable and Trump's actions have nearly cratered the global economy as well (and still could, if he continues on his dumbass plans), people here in the U.S. are losing rights and jobs at an alarming rate, important organizations and agencies are being gutted, we can't seem to fund aid for people suffering the effects of natural disasters or medical emergencies, but hey, the rich guys are getting richer...

...so, uh, yeah, when exactly do we get "great" again, 'cause none of the above seems to fit the definition of "great" as I understand that word. 

Were this a social media-style site and I were an admin, I'd pin this post to the top of the page. Well done, @Annber03! 👏

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

What most didn't hear is that Trump said "go peacefully". Unfortunately, the media doesn't always report details. Yes, there was violence, but Trump didn't order violence. Just like when the NJ official decided she was going to force her way into an ICE agency. 

Trump was begged to make a statement to halt the violence from multiple people at the White House, up to and including his Chief of Staff and ultimately Ivanka! He didn't make the statement to "Go peacefully" for more than FOUR HOURS! He allowed five hours of anarchy. Oh, he also told the insurrectionists, "We love you very much."

BTW, the media did report these details, although perhaps not the "media" you follow. More importantly, White House staffers and many other Republicans actually gave testimony under oath about DJT's protacted inaction, during the bipartisan House January 6th Committee investigation.

He did "order violence" during the Presidential Debate leading up to the election, when asked what he'd tell the Proud Boys and other private militia groups and his answer was, "Stand back, and stand by." Then, on January 6th, as he spoke on the Ellipse, he told the protesters to march up to the Capitol, indicated that he'd be going with them and that, "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

Also, regarding his speech on the Ellipse, he was told by his staff that many of those wanting to enter were carrying weapons and that they couldn't get in. DJT wanted the Ellilpse to be filled for the cameras. He told his staff to turn off the metal detectors because he was in no danger from his followers. "They're not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags [metal detectors] away. Let my people in."

Regarding the patently illegal arrest of Rep. LaMonica McIver at the Newark ICE Detention Center, the video clearly shows that SHE was shoved by the alleged federal officer, who remains unidentified. She had every right to be there as the law states that Congress members can show up unannounced to inspect ICE detention facilities. As it happens, on this day, they were NOT unannounced, the three Reps. had an appointment! It should also be noted that all charges against Mayor Baraka have been dropped.

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Ok, then what exactly could he done to stop it? These crazy people were on their own and not taking orders from anyone. They weren't paying attention to their phones or any other media, there were no TVs around, so even if Trump put out a tweet or went on TV, there was no way for these people to see and hear it. So again I ask, what exactly could he have done to stop them DURING THE RIOT? 

None of this is true. ^

First, DJT's followers were, in fact, following along on social media during the insurrection. His statement, finally issued after over four hours of violence, bloodshed and murder, was read to the crowd by protesters at the Capitol from their phones. That's how they ultimately knew it was time for them to head home.

As to what DJT could have done to stop the "riot" in real time, the President could have ordered the National Guard, who were ready at the borders of both Virginia and Maryland, already alerted by their respective Governors, to move into D.C. Again, people at the White House AND Republican Congress members trapped in the building were begging him to do so. He did nothing.

6 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

How does one person forcefully remove thousands of protestors? Please enlighten me. 

He said "go peacefully". He never said climb the building, hurt cops, etc. They might have been inspired to protest, but no one could predict exactly what they would have done and did.

You can't blame someone for another person's actions. It's like telling someone they're worthless and then that person decides to harm themselves. Ultimately, it's the person who reacts who's responsible for their own actions. This is a fact. No pretending here.

There was a planning meeting between key Trump allies at a D.C. hotel prior to January 6th, with leaders of militia groups like Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio and Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes, to plan what would be done on January 6th. Tarrio and Rhodes were ultimately convicted of Seditious Conspiracy and sentenced to lengthy prison stays. These convicted violent criminals were immediately pardoned by DJT as soon as he returned to office.

The violence was organized and coordinated.

I sincerely suggest you take 90 minutes of your time and watch the documentary "Four Hours At the Capitol." Facts matter.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt15520020/

[DanaMB]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Why are these leopards eating my face? Now he has a sad about having to milk his own cows, alone, in the dark at four o'clock in the morning. Boo fucking hoo.

"We didn't want drugs or gangbangers," he said. But what he didn't expect was losing some of his most dedicated employees to immigration arrests.
"It's scaring the farming community," Machia admitted. "We didn't think they'd come for the people who help us milk cows."

According to the University of Vermont, 94% of dairy farms that hire outside help rely on migrants, mostly undocumented workers from Mexico.

So, they know that they're breaking the law by hiring undocumented workers, yet 94% of them continue to do so - and whine about how they're no longer able to easily break the law and exploit those workers for their profit, because they voted for the GOP to oust only the racist stereotypes that they thought the GOP were going after?

https://thesarkariform.com/we-voted-for-trump-to-fix-the-border-now-were-milking-cows-alone-at-4-a-m-vermont-farmers-face-harsh-reality-as-ice-raids-hit-home/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

 

My response is always, “Getting what they voted for. 🤷🏻‍♀️”

[Mollywolly555]

Thank you,  Proud Mary, for the detailed description of his actions/inactions on January 6.

I'm afraid it falls on deaf ears or will not be read, much less believed by those here who disagree. 

I remember watching the January 6 attack in real time, yet still disbelieving this could happen in America. And fearing what it meant.

When I was talking about January 6 with my maga brother who discounted the mob's violence --both enacted and threatened --that day, I said that I believed my eyes and my ears. 

There's no sensible debate to be had with those who will not, or cannot, or fear to face facts. They sidestep their own words, claim semantics when confronted, and redefine their own terms beyond Webster's, and beyond belief. 

However, your posts and so many others here are enhancing our knowledge, corroborating our logic and ethics,  and reinforcing our faith in the prescient civility in the rule of law that is the American Constitution.

 

 

[peacheslatour]

"Stop resisting!" Seattle at the anti gay rally-from Instagram.

 

[Dimity]

Can you explain the photo @peacheslatour?  Is that a police officer?

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

Can you explain the photo @peacheslatour?  Is that a police officer?

Yes, that is a bicycle cop. They ride around on bikes and wave to tourists. This was at the rally that a bunch of out of state religious loons brought to Seattle to scream and yell about sin and gay people. Counter protesters showed up (read actual residents of this neighborhood) and the cops went into full riot mode.

[tres bien]

Head Unhinged MAGA leader gives Memorial Day speech at Arlington National Cemetery and thanks God for his loss in 2020 and returning him four years later so he’s the one in charge of The Olympics and The World Cup in 2026

[Dimity]

Just now, tres bien said:

Head Unhinged MAGA leader gives Memorial Day speech at Arlington National Cemetery and thanks God for his loss in 2020 and returning him four years later so he’s the one in charge of The Olympics and The World Cup in 2026

It's always all about him.  King Charles just arrived in Ottawa and he's wearing a red tie.  What are the odds that the Deranged One will say this is Charles's way of paying tribute to Trump?

[Eri]

https://campaignlegal.org/update/these-hidden-provisions-budget-bill-undermine-our-democracy

Two somewhat underreported features of the Budget Reconciliation Act expected to pass soon in the US (has already passed the House, does not need bipartisan support to pass in the Senate):

1) Section 70302 contains a retroactive provision that before any court has power to enforce contempt rulings, the person suing the government must pay a bond. Effectively neutering the courts ability to enforce anything.

2) Section 43201(c) contains a 10 year ban on any state legislature regulating the use of generative AI.

"Courts have already ruled at least 170 times against the Trump administration, including a preliminary injunction sought by CLC that halted Trump’s unconstitutional attempt to change the rules for federal elections. In response to many of these rulings, the president has resisted compliance and waged intimidation campaigns targeting the judges responsible.

In light of all this, the House bill seems squarely and unacceptably focused on shielding the Trump administration from accountability when it breaks the law." 

This House bill threatens the power of the judicial branch. I hope the Senate will try to remove these policies as it considers the legislation or vote NO on the entire package should they remain. 

[Annber03]

12 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

How does one person forcefully remove thousands of protestors? Please enlighten me. 

I will repeat myself:

He seemed to be totally fine with tear-gassing peaceful protesters in order to do a photo op with a Bible, yet you're telling me he couldn't possibly lift a single finger to forcefully remove those violent protestors from the Capitol, or aid those who had the ability?

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You can't blame someone for another person's actions. It's like telling someone they're worthless and then that person decides to harm themselves. Ultimately, it's the person who reacts who's responsible for their own actions. This is a fact. No pretending here.

I can when those people's actions are inspired by someone's blatant lies and false statements that they constantly spouted at every turn in places where they knew full well their supporters would be listening and get all riled up on their behalf, and when members of Trump's own party actively aided in and encouraged said attack (unless you want to tell me Trump had no idea that members of his own party were collaborating with Trump supporters that day, which would be laughable). And I sure as hell can blame Trump when he decides to pardon those people who attacked the Capitol and acts like they were the wrongly persecuted ones. 

We saw plenty of violence from Trump supporters when he was in office the first time around (Charlottesville, anyone?). He knew full well what his supporters were like, how devoted they were/are to him and how much they follow(ed) his word. As someone who holds/did hold the highest office in the land, he has a particular duty to be responsible with the things he says, so yes, this is on him as much as it is his followers. 

Again, absolutely none of what happened on January 6th would've happened if Trump had accepted his loss in 2020 like a normal adult human being and simply shut up and gone away back to his old life. THAT is a fact. Period. End of story. 

Edited May 26 by Annber03

[tres bien]

Chuck Schumer announced today that Senate democrats will vote unanimously against Trump’s budget bill 

[bluegirl147]

9 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Chuck Schumer announced today that Senate democrats will vote unanimously against Trump’s budget bill 

Well geez I would hope so. I mean it's the least they can do.

[chitowngirl]

11 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Chuck Schumer announced today that Senate democrats will vote unanimously against Trump’s budget bill 

 

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Well geez I would hope so. I mean it's the least they can do.

That's all well and good…the question is will any Republicans dare to break rank to have enough votes to veto the bill. And would Trump just override the veto?

[Ohiopirate02]

27 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

 

That's all well and good…the question is will any Republicans dare to break rank to have enough votes to veto the bill. And would Trump just override the veto?

I read somewhere online that because the House made last minute changes to the bill that it will require 60 votes in order to pass and not a simple majority of 50 or 51. And that is something the Republicans cannot achieve if the Dems stay united. 

[Dimity]

My cousin sent this to all of us today:

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I wish all my friends and family a week  where you never hear a single word from him.

It's not going to happen, sadly, but funny how no one needs to say his name...

[peacheslatour]

28 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

 

That's all well and good…the question is will any Republicans dare to break rank to have enough votes to veto the bill. And would Trump just override the veto?

Ron Johnson (of all people) said there are enough Republicans to to vote against it to kill it. and today Trump said this, essentially throwing Speaker Johnson under the bus, as is his wont.

"I want the Senate and the senators to make the changes they want," President Trump told reporters Sunday evening. "It will go back to the House and we’ll see if we can get them. In some cases, the changes may be something I’d agree with, to be honest." Trump further anticipated, "I think they [Senate Republicans] are going to have changes. Some will be minor, some will be fairly significant."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-greenlights-senate-bill-overhaul-jolting-us-house-speaker-johnson/ar-AA1FvzdM

 

 

[tres bien]

11 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Ron Johnson (of all people) said there are enough Republicans to to vote against it to kill it. and today Trump said this, essentially throwing Speaker Johnson under the bus, as is his wont.

"I want the Senate and the senators to make the changes they want," President Trump told reporters Sunday evening. "It will go back to the House and we’ll see if we can get them. In some cases, the changes may be something I’d agree with, to be honest." Trump further anticipated, "I think they [Senate Republicans] are going to have changes. Some will be minor, some will be fairly significant."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-greenlights-senate-bill-overhaul-jolting-us-house-speaker-johnson/ar-AA1FvzdM

 

 

More unintelligible world salad 

[bluegirl147]

13 minutes ago, tres bien said:

More unintelligible world salad 

He means he has no idea what is in the bill.  If his minders tell him the bill is good for him he will sign it.

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

He means he has no idea what is in the bill.  If his minders tell him the bill is good for him he will sign it.

[shapeshifter]

4 hours ago, Dimity said:

It's always all about him.  King Charles just arrived in Ottawa and he's wearing a red tie.  What are the odds that the Deranged One will say this is Charles's way of paying tribute to Trump?

Doesn't red signify liberal and blue signify red in Britain? 
(Not that King Charles necessarily was dressing to signify anything — maybe he alternates blue, red, and yellow ties.)

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Doesn't red signify liberal and blue signify red in Britain? 
(Not that King Charles necessarily was dressing to signify anything — maybe he alternates blue, red, and yellow ties.)

It does in Canada, not sure about the UK.

[Dimity]

Red is Canada's colour.  Camilla was wearing a diamond Maple Leaf brooch and Charles was wearing a red tie.  

It is the colour of the Liberal party but pretty sure he wasn't giving a nod to the govt.  

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 5/25/2025 at 12:18 PM, kittykat said:

Examples like this are why we need to abolish the electoral college.

I was an early adopter--almost 50 years ago, the Los Angeles Times published my letter to the editor calling for abolishing the electoral college. 

[Lantern7]

I get the reasoning for why the Electoral College needs to go. I mean, 2000 and 2016 are big enough reasons on their own. Question: would that disenfranchise voters that live outside of large cities where large populations would yield more potential voters?

*sigh* We're living in that Weekend Update recurring bit where Kevin Nealon gave updates on George Steinbrenner's health not declining.

[Soapy Goddess]

17 hours ago, tres bien said:

Alice Marie Johnson. Give me a break the woman was in jail for trafficking cocaine

She received clemency from Trump because Kim Kardashian went to the WH to advocate for her. Of course because he only knows that Kim Kardashian wants this I’ll sign off

And you think look she’s black he can’t be racist. Have you forgotten about the Central Park Five and his heinous behavior towards them even today 

And now Johnson has been rewarded with being his “pardon czar”

What about all the people in jails or prisons serving time that don’t have a Kim Kardashian to speak out for them 

Like Trump gives a shit what KK wants. Talk about a narcissist 🙄

And he didn't have to do it if he didn't feel it was the right thing to do. A true racist wouldn't be caught dead doing anything of the sort.

[anony.miss]

2 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Hate to say this Affogato, but that could describe half the people that post here.

Genuinely curious:  If you believe half the people posting in this forum suffer from a severe psychological disorder, why are you here?

12 hours ago, tres bien said:

More unintelligible world salad 

The only kind of salad Trump likes ; )

Edited May 27 by anony.miss

[Yeah No]

On 5/26/2025 at 2:22 AM, Soapy Goddess said:

Violence aside, Reps are tired of the same ole mantra. Now matter what Trump does, Dems are having no part of it. As someone once pointed out, if he found a cure for cancer, Dems would be shouting "we love cancer". 

Reps are also tired of all the lies or omissions being reported...starting with Biden being perfectly healthy. It is now being reported that close allies knew about his decline since 2019. And now the latest lie or gossip, is that Trump faked his injury and there was no assassination attempt. Really?!? Did a rubber bullet kill a man sitting behind Trump?!?

Politicians of any stripe aren't perfect and I'm realistic about that. But clearly the person guilty of more lies and omissions between Trump and Biden is Trump by FAR. Unless you're buying into the lies of Trump, but there are clear facts to back up his lies being lies and there are so many it would take volumes to list them all and why they're not true. Where Biden and the Dems. are concerned most of the stuff they are accused of is exaggerated BS from the right wing media. 

And at least whenever Dems. are guilty of deception it's for a good cause, even if a misguided one, like doing what they can to preserve democracy. I'm even more convinced of this now than before the election. They knew Trump was going to come back and start tearing down our government in ways it shouldn't be tampered with, and violating the Constitution and human rights left and right like he's doing now. So they felt they had to support Biden toward the cause of preventing that. Of course a lot of people feel that supporting Biden under the circumstances was a mistake. But at least it was an honest mistake.

And about "loving cancer" I think you have that the other way around. It's Republicans that would love cancer if their idol Donnie said he loved it. Dems. have no problem going against their own politicians on these issues (not that any of them would ever say that but where Trump is concerned I wouldn't put that past HIM. He would say he loved cancer if he thought it would anger Democrats.). The only reason Dems. don't appear to support anything Trump does that may be good is because a) there is so little of it in the big picture and b) it's drowned out and nullified by all the stupid, ridiculous and downright offensive things he's done. And be fair, he has never done anything as good as cure cancer nor will he. If he ever did I think you'd see a lot of Dems. in amazement and saying stuff like, "Well how do you like that, a stopped clock is right twice a day!"

[Kemper]

It is early in the morning,  I love this site, listen to the various opinions; even ones I don't agree with. Then I move on to post my latest screed here or at The Young and The Restless thread. Or read the latest "Real Housewives" threads. 

What I can't do is post a response to a post (wow, that was a mouthful) that I don't agree with. I understand why people do; I do it in my mind. 😎 But life right now is stressful enough without me using whatever "peace" I have to think out and post on something I am at odds with. I do envy people who have the energy to do it...from both sides. Just me?

 

Edited May 27 by Kemper

[Affogato]

6 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Like Trump gives a shit what KK wants. Talk about a narcissist 🙄

And he didn't have to do it if he didn't feel it was the right thing to do. A true racist wouldn't be caught dead doing anything of the sort.

That was kind of rhe point.

He certainly prefers to be in a room full of rich older men, like him, and supports the system in the US that keeps him on top. Which is systemically racist and sexist.
 

and yet, You know, okay with the UAE, because they gave him lots of attention, sure, and a jet. He looked soooo happy on that trip, they know how to treat a narcissist. So very happy. Like a freaking toddler, even falling asleep  

Back to the narcissism. He is transactional. He would support a person of color who gave him what he wanted. Like anyone else he would dump them when they no longer gave him what he wants.
 

Like he did with Pence.

bringing us around to God. Trump is not a religious person either, but he will sell religious people bibles. 

which brings us around to the fact that making himself feel important is the main value he holds. Which brings us to the ‘values of a narcissist’ article. 
 

And while narcissism is a spectrum disorder, no, most of the people here do show they have strongly held values that are outside themselves. Most care about other people and the constitution and the state of the world at large. 

[DrSpaceman73]

23 hours ago, tres bien said:

Lucky us Trump put out a kooky vile Memorial Day message which I invite you to read but I won’t post because it’s insane as usual 

And if you haven’t had your fill he’ll be giving a speech at Arlington National Cemetery at 11 am which he announced and ended by saying ENJOY!

He should never be allowed near that hallowed site

 

I was just thinking it wouldnt be a holiday without an insulting vile rambling tweet from the president. 

Edited May 27 by DrSpaceman73

[fastiller]

18 minutes ago, Affogato said:

and yet, You know, okay with the UAE, because they gave him lots of attention, sure, and a jet. He looked soooo happy on that trip, they know how to treat a narcissist. So very happy. Like a freaking toddler, even falling asleep  

 

I think it was Qatar that offered the jet.

[Affogato]

3 minutes ago, fastiller said:

I think it was Qatar that offered the jet.

Adjacent, though, but yes. 

[shapeshifter]

23 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

I get the reasoning for why the Electoral College needs to go. I mean, 2000 and 2016 are big enough reasons on their own. Question: would that disenfranchise voters that live outside of large cities where large populations would yield more potential voters?

There's no way for this not to sound paternalistic, but here goes anyway:
At this point in time, the so-called socialist values that would be elevated by the change from the electoral college to the one-person-one-vote for POTUS would, in my opinion, greatly improve the lives of those in areas with less dense populations, and definitely benefit them more than the policies of the current rulers for whom they voted.

Edited May 27 by shapeshifter

[Yeah No]

20 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

There's no way for this not to sound paternalistic, but here goes anyway:
At this point in time, the so-called socialist values that would be elevated by the change from the electoral college to the one-person-one-vote for POTUS would, in my opinion, greatly improve the lives of those in areas with less dense populations, and definitely benefit them more than the policies of the current rulers for whom they voted.

Ironically, yes. In general those less dense areas are in red, Trump supporting states but they don't know what's good for them. What was supposed to protect them (the Electoral College) is biting them in the butt. Although Trump still won the popular vote this time, although by only 1.5%. And more people actually voted against him if you include the 1.9% that voted for a third party candidate. But without the Electoral College he never would have become president in 2016. Although based on what we know about him now, that wouldn't have prevented him from running again. Sadly, I don't know if there is any possible scenario in which we could have avoided having this clown as president.

[shapeshifter]

15 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Ironically, yes. In general those less dense areas are in red, Trump supporting states but they don't know what's good for them. What was supposed to protect them (the Electoral College) is biting them in the butt. Although Trump still won the popular vote this time, although by only 1.5%. And more people actually voted against him if you include the 1.9% that voted for a third party candidate. But without the Electoral College he never would have become president in 2016. Although based on what we know about him now, that wouldn't have prevented him from running again. Sadly, I don't know if there is any possible scenario in which we could have avoided having this clown as president.

Well, I could fire up a modified Delorean to time travel to an alternate universe where the Electoral College was abolished in 2015.

[bluegirl147]

42 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

At this point in time, the so-called socialist values that would be elevated by the change from the electoral college to the one-person-one-vote for POTUS would, in my opinion, greatly improve the lives of those in areas with less dense populations, and definitely benefit them more than the policies of the current rulers for whom they voted.

Yes.  It would level the playing field.  And force candidates to compete in all 50 states. It would energize Democrats in red states.  And Republicans know this.

11 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

In general those less dense areas are in red, Trump supporting states but they don't know what's good for them.

I don't know the statistics but if you add up all the voters who voted blue or third party with those who didn't vote in any particular red state I would bet if they don't outnumber Trump voters it is close. Dismantling the electoral college would make the majority of people happy.

[shapeshifter]

15 hours ago, Affogato said:

and yet, You know, okay with the UAE, because they gave him lots of attention, sure, and a jet. He looked soooo happy on that trip, they know how to treat a narcissist. So very happy. Like a freaking toddler, even falling asleep  

15 hours ago, fastiller said:

I think it was Qatar that offered the jet.

15 hours ago, Affogato said:

Adjacent, though, but yes. 

Potāto / Potahto.
Qatar satisfied his immediate lust for a palace in the sky that he thinks he was so clever to get for free.
UAE is building him a home where there is no extradition treaty with the US.

[DrSpaceman73]

I dont like the electoral college but as a republuc and not a direct democracy it makes sense. 

It could change though.  Votes could be by distract and not winner take all for a state.  Or some variation. 

Districts are gerrymandered so that also is problematic.  

[bluegirl147]

8 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Qatar satisfied his immediate lust for a palace in the sky that he thinks he was so clever to get for free.

We all know that jet wasn't free. I'm sure whatever the cost it will be clear soon enough.

8 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

Districts are gerrymandered so that also is problematic. 

That is why so many awful House members keep their seats.