Chit-Chat: The Feels

[PRgal]

@kittykat  My son is an Alpha and he hasn't quite reached the age where they start using language that we don't understand.  However, he calls videos on YouTube, "YouTube vids" and says that's what his friends say.  I mean, he's technically NOT wrong, but do you really need to say "vids?"  Or is that to distinguish between long form videos ("vids") and the more reels-like short ones?  What I am NOT a fan of is how assignments are almost all completely digital/screen-focused at his school.  Just about the only time they go "old school" (besides gym) is in art or music.

[peacheslatour]

6 minutes ago, PRgal said:

@kittykat  My son is an Alpha and he hasn't quite reached the age where they start using language that we don't understand.  However, he calls videos on YouTube, "YouTube vids" and says that's what his friends say.  I mean, he's technically NOT wrong, but do you really need to say "vids?"  Or is that to distinguish between long form videos ("vids") and the more reels-like short ones?  What I am NOT a fan of is how assignments are almost all completely digital/screen-focused at his school.  Just about the only time they go "old school" (besides gym) is in art or music.

At least they still have art and music in school. In the US, they get rid of those things as fast as they can, especially if they interfere with the holiest of holys, football.

[PRgal]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

At least they still have art and music in school. In the US, they get rid of those things as fast as they can, especially if they interfere with the holiest of holys, football.

They can't fully get rid of art/music in Canada unless provinces alter the curriculum completely.  I know that funding is cut some of it, especially at the elementary level.  It's not really affecting private schools, however.  

[bluegirl147]

16 minutes ago, kittykat said:

 

My own experience is why I've disavowed the whole Generation War arguments.  Every generation has good people and assholes.  Every generation has rich and poor for their own reasons. Yes there is the argument that Boomers grew into a good economy but not everyone benefitted especially, as discussed earlier, if you were a POC. But that doesn't mean every white person prospered as well.

I've said before the gap with the most lasting effects is the income gap.  There are some very well off boomers right now and there are some boomers who need SNAP and Meals on Wheels to not go hungry.  Both of which could be cut.

Each generation has it's winners and losers.  And the ones with the money are always the winners.  

 

[kittykat]

26 minutes ago, PRgal said:

@kittykat  My son is an Alpha and he hasn't quite reached the age where they start using language that we don't understand.  However, he calls videos on YouTube, "YouTube vids" and says that's what his friends say.  I mean, he's technically NOT wrong, but do you really need to say "vids?"  Or is that to distinguish between long form videos ("vids") and the more reels-like short ones?  What I am NOT a fan of is how assignments are almost all completely digital/screen-focused at his school.  Just about the only time they go "old school" (besides gym) is in art or music.

I have an alpha as well and her school is more hybrid.  They get screen time but also do plenty of worksheets and are currently working on oral reports where they are not only using Internet sources but books as well.  We are also lucky to have her in a school where art and music are taught multiple times a week. I'm not sure about the whole vids term.  We just say that we watched a YouTube.

[annzeepark914]

20 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

At least they still have art and music in school. In the US, they get rid of those things as fast as they can, especially if they interfere with the holiest of holys, football.

Hopefully not all schools. Our 14 year old grandson (in MN) plays trumpet in several of his school's bands, contemplating trying the French horn as a back up instrument skill. Do schools still teach driver's ed?  It sure is needed, based on what I've seen out there on the roads.

[peacheslatour]

This just happened in Seattle. A group of out of state christian fundies showed up in the mainly LGBTQ enclave to hold a hate fest and counter protesters showed up. The only violence was perpetrated by the proud boys dressed as cops.

Mayor Bruce Harrell said in his statement: "When the humanity of trans people and those who have been historically marginalized is questioned, we triumph by demonstrating our values through our words and peaceful protest—we lose our voice when this is disrupted by violence, chaos, and confusion."

He added: "I am grateful for those who make their voices heard in support of our neighbors without resorting to violence. In the face of an extreme right-wing national effort to attack our trans and LGBTQ+ communities, Seattle will continue to stand unwavering in our embrace of diversity, love for our neighbors, and commitment to justice and fairness."

Ross Johnston, a preacher and an organizers of the Mayday USA event, wrote on X: "The audacity of the @MayorofSeattle to claim that we as Christians were 'attacking' is bigoted and the rhetoric of a God hating politician whose 'power' came up against a superior force.

"PS: all arrests were from the protester camp - it takes a bit of a brain to understand what that means maybe you have one? (Highly doubt it)."

Organizers of the counterprotest said: "Anti-queer, anti-trans "Mayday USA" is bringing their reactionary preaching to Seattle with help from right-wing pastor Matt Shea and his Christian Fundamentalist "On Fire Ministries." Provocatively, they are rallying under the hashtag "#DONTMESSWITHOURKIDS" at Cal Anderson Park on Capitol Hill in the heart of Seattle' Queer community. Let's send a message with a loud picket line, signs and banners: Bigotry is not welcome here!"\

https://www.newsweek.com/seattle-protest-breaks-out-violence-what-we-know-2076830?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Edited Sunday at 08:35 PM by peacheslatour

[kittykat]

I was reading about that too.  What an epic fail.  Trying to rally in Capitol Hill of all places!  I read about the arrests and that's when I learned what the protest was really about. And once again our side was the peaceful one.

[Lantern7]

Apparently, Gary Trudeau doesn’t have the fear of retribution in him. Here’s today’s Doonesbury.

I couldn’t embed it or save and post it. If anyone wants to try it here, I’ll be cool with it.

I think Gary and those that oversee his strip haven’t gotten in trouble because no one has reminded Ol’ Pudding Brain of his existence.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

I've said before the gap with the most lasting effects is the income gap.  There are some very well off boomers right now and there are some boomers who need SNAP and Meals on Wheels to not go hungry.  Both of which could be cut.

Each generation has it's winners and losers.  And the ones with the money are always the winners.  

 

I refuse to get bogged down with the "who had it worse" debate. It's one of the many tactics the billionaire class uses to keep us fighting with each other while they keep on fleecing us. Because the only way to truly enact change is for all of us 99% to band together and force our elected officials to actually do something. I'd rather save my energy. And scoring fake internet points on a Boomer of a Millennial is never going to feel that good. 

[annzeepark914]

https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-speech-commencement-address-west-point-usma-may-24-2025/

I found this in the comments section under an article in the Washington Post about Trump's "speech" yesterday at West Point. Good God Almighty!  Wearing an inappropriate campaign hat, yakking on and on, not completing sentences, he supposedly was the laughing stock in Europe (many people say!!)

Edited Sunday at 09:07 PM by annzeepark914

[shapeshifter]

4 hours ago, Dimity said:

The baby boom generation was, and is, an extremely large cohort that  benefited from post war affluence and enjoyed a standard of living and access to education that 'kids today' definitely are not.  

We were a generation on the forefront of huge societal change and many positive moves forward - we also now are the generation being blamed for a lot that went wrong, and is still going wrong, with the world.  Which sucks.

One of my highly educated daughters (born in the early 80s) was insisting the Vietnam War was the fault of the Boomers. Hopefully she has since realized she was wrong.

 

1 hour ago, kittykat said:

Examples like this are why we need to abolish the electoral college.

Any example of why the electoral college should be abolished is, unfortunately, also usually a reason it will not be abolished.😞

1 hour ago, kittykat said:

I won't lie, in my 20s I was definitely going toe to toe with my Boomer mom on generation wars.  I would be all "you hoarding affluent boomers" and she'd respond with "you entitled phone-obsessed millennials" (I'm more Xennial) you all know the drill, but of course it's not so simple.  My mom was not an affluent Boomer.  My parents divorced in the late 80s and she worked every job she could starting from the bottom and worked her way up. We never owned a house we did apartments and I remember being the only one of my friends who's parents didn't live in a house and it made me insecure.  I'm not proud of this mindset, I never wanted for the basics.  I was clothed, fed, sheltered, given a weekly allowance but adolescent me was jealous of the other kids all the same.  I now look back at all the hours both my parents worked to get us what we wanted and am grateful for them both.

My own experience is why I've disavowed the whole Generation War arguments.  Every generation has good people and assholes.  Every generation has rich and poor for their own reasons. Yes there is the argument that Boomers grew into a good economy but not everyone benefitted especially, as discussed earlier, if you were a POC. But that doesn't mean every white person prospered as well.

Wait. Are you my daughter? 😂

 

 

[ebk57]

40 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Apparently, Gary Trudeau doesn’t have the fear of retribution in him. Here’s today’s Doonesbury.

I couldn’t embed it or save and post it. If anyone wants to try it here, I’ll be cool with it.

I think Gary and those that oversee his strip haven’t gotten in trouble because no one has reminded Ol’ Pudding Brain of his existence.

The first 2 panels are missing, but that happens in a lot of newspapers

 

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, annzeepark914 said:

https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-speech-commencement-address-west-point-usma-may-24-2025/

I found this in the comments section under an article in the Washington Post about Trump's "speech" yesterday at West Point. Good God Almighty!  Wearing an inappropriate campaign hat, yakking on and on, not completing sentences, he supposedly was the laughing stock in Europe (many people say!!)

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I refuse to get bogged down with the "who had it worse" debate. It's one of the many tactics the billionaire class uses to keep us fighting with each other while they keep on fleecing us. Because the only way to truly enact change is for all of us 99% to band together and force our elected officials to actually do something. I'd rather save my energy. And scoring fake internet points on a Boomer of a Millennial is never going to feel that good. 

Say it again for the people in the back.  It's one of the most useless things ever.

[ProudMary]

This past Thursday, the Supreme Court ruled that DJT didn't have the right to fire the Fed Chair. The rest of their decision is infuriating, but at least they got that part right.

Supreme Court signals Trump can’t fire Fed Chair Powell

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/22/supreme-court-fed-powell-trump-00366526

In an interesting coincidence, Fed Chair Jerome Powell delivered the Commencement Address at Princeton University yesterday. I'm linking the full text of his speech, but I'd like to quote a specific section here. (Bolding mine)

My first reaction was that it was too bad that the West Point graduates didn't get to hear Powell's speech instead of the incoherent ramblings of the Commander-In-Chief, including the gem that @peacheslatour referenced a few posts above, but perhaps it was exactly what some of the newly-comissioned Second Lieutenants needed to hear.

Well done, Chair Powell. 👏 It does make one wonder if he would have been as forceful, had SCOTUS not provided him with cover a few days prior. 

Baccalaureate Remarks

Chair Jerome H. Powell

At Princeton University, Princeton, New Jersey

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/powell20250525a.htm

Since the founding of this great democracy 250 years ago, generation upon generation have assumed the burden and the honor of moving us closer to the ideal that all are created equal. Now, it's your turn. I ask you to take a minute and realize how the quest for these values has led us to this point in our history. We lead the world in so many ways, including in scientific innovation and economic dynamism. Our great universities are the envy of the world and a crucial national asset.

Look around you. I urge you to take none of this for granted. When you look back in 50 years, you will want to know that you have done whatever it takes to preserve and strengthen our democracy, and bring us ever closer to the Founders' timeless ideals.

[PRgal]

4 hours ago, kittykat said:

I have an alpha as well and her school is more hybrid.  They get screen time but also do plenty of worksheets and are currently working on oral reports where they are not only using Internet sources but books as well.  We are also lucky to have her in a school where art and music are taught multiple times a week. I'm not sure about the whole vids term.  We just say that we watched a YouTube.

They do oral reports too but my son is NOT a fan.  In fact, he DREADS them.  I have to FORCE him to practice in front of us (and it's always REALLY SCRIPTED)!  He's getting SLIGHTLY better now that he knows he HAS to take part in a piano recital.  

[peacheslatour]

23 minutes ago, PRgal said:

They do oral reports too but my son is NOT a fan.  In fact, he DREADS them.  I have to FORCE him to practice in front of us (and it's always REALLY SCRIPTED)!  He's getting SLIGHTLY better now that he knows he HAS to take part in a piano recital.  

I love how you support and encourage him.

[LexieLily]

2 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I have lost count of how many times I've asked myself this since last November. I can't believe we're having to dea with this asshole AGAIN, and I just keep wondering what the fuck it will take to make him finally go away once and for all. 

Sad to say for all of us, I unfortunately think Mother Nature/Father Time is the only thing that will rid us of Trump and his constant rage-tweets. 

[Dimity]

8 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Sad to say for all of us, I unfortunately think Mother Nature/Father Time is the only thing that will rid us of Trump and his constant rage-tweets. 

I've long given up any hope that he will see the inside of a prison. He's never going to pay for all the misery he and his administration is inflicting on the world.

He is busy using his presidency to line his pocket rather than leave any kind of positive legacy.  Well positive to anyone outside his cult.

 

[Annber03]

I'm just wondering how all of this is making us great again. Trump's out here disparaging soldiers and giving embarrassing, nonsensical speeches, we're the laughingstock of the world and other countries are boycotting our goods and services and warning people not to come here, nobody's intimidated by Trump's tariff threats the way he wants them to be, he's friendly with dictators and alienated our allies, prices continue to go up on things, our stock market and economy is unstable and Trump's actions have nearly cratered the global economy as well (and still could, if he continues on his dumbass plans), people here in the U.S. are losing rights and jobs at an alarming rate, important organizations and agencies are being gutted, we can't seem to fund aid for people suffering the effects of natural disasters or medical emergencies, but hey, the rich guys are getting richer...

...so, uh, yeah, when exactly do we get "great" again, 'cause none of the above seems to fit the definition of "great" as I understand that word. 

[peacheslatour]

14 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I'm just wondering how all of this is making us great again. Trump's out here disparaging soldiers and giving embarrassing, nonsensical speeches, we're the laughingstock of the world and other countries are boycotting our goods and services and warning people not to come here, nobody's intimidated by Trump's tariff threats the way he wants them to be, he's friendly with dictators and alienated our allies, prices continue to go up on things, our stock market and economy is unstable and Trump's actions have nearly cratered the global economy as well (and still could, if he continues on his dumbass plans), people here in the U.S. are losing rights and jobs at an alarming rate, important organizations and agencies are being gutted, we can't seem to fund aid for people suffering the effects of natural disasters or medical emergencies, but hey, the rich guys are getting richer...

...so, uh, yeah, when exactly do we get "great" again, 'cause none of the above seems to fit the definition of "great" as I understand that word. 

At least I hope the markets learn to ignore him. Nothing but empty threats and bluster. He's just a screaming toddler swiping his shitty hands on our world. I look forward to reading his obituary.

 

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Dimity said:

He is busy using his presidency to line his pocket rather than leave any kind of positive legacy.  Well positive to anyone outside his cult.

Although this presidency is understandably being compared to the rise of the Nazis — especially because of the cult of a leader — I keep thinking of the Salem Witch Trials, especially wondering what it was really like for the citizens who fell under this spell, when it was over:
https://actiontourguide.com/what-happened-in-the-aftermath-of-the-salem-witch-trials/

[Yeah No]

On 5/23/2025 at 4:02 AM, Soapy Goddess said:

I hear what you're saying re: support, so I have a question for you/Dems: Are you willing to withdraw your support for the Democrats?  Because I can't imagine for one second that you or anyone else here actually believes it was a great idea to destroy and burn up Teslas. Not to mention supporting all the other violent stuff they're doing in the name of party. 

Agree the Rep party is not what it was under Reagan, but by the same token, the Dem party isn't what it was under Clinton either. The violence (in the action of party support) is beyond control.

I promise you that I'm not being compromised in my beliefs. I'm not happy about certain things, but I tend to look at the bigger picture. Rome wasn't built in a day, and as a patient person, I'm willing to wait and/or give the benefit of the doubt. I might feel differently a year down the road, but for now, I remain moderate in my support. I just pray the insanity doesn't continue to escalate.

I would think that if you are really looking at the bigger picture you would know that the kind of violence you're talking about is by far not exclusive to Democrats. I don't know who is guilty of more of them but given how many instances there have been coming from both sides does bringing up the Tesla incident really make a specific point against Democrats? At least when Democrats complain about the horrible things Trump does there is no one equivalent on the Democratic side, not even CLOSE and I don't think that's even open for argument given how many times and how egregiously Trump has broken the law, defied the Constitution and shown himself to be deluded, ignorant, racist, mean spirited, petty and selfish.

See this article with details. In a list of 10 such recent events 6 of them were committed against Democrats. And it includes the Tesla incident BTW. And this being from PBS doesn't necessarily make it biased against Republicans, but it may not be complete anyway. If there have been enough incidents not reported here that were committed against Republicans to switch that around, please do tell. But I have a feeling it won't change much if anything:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-growing-list-of-political-violence-in-the-u-s

[Yeah No]

On 5/23/2025 at 12:13 PM, shapeshifter said:

Similar in the small, private college library where I worked for almost 20 years. I think the cut-off to avoid the college having to pay benefits was 32 hours per week, which is pretty much full time, especially with commuting since the college was in an area with higher housing costs.

Even full-time librarians and administrative staff were at-will employees, which is how I and other female employees of my age got nudged into early retirement so they could replace us with no-benefit, "part time" employees.

When I worked at a university 35 years ago full time was considered 35 hours a week. It was a true "9 to 5" job. But that was then, this is now. I'm pretty sure that like everywhere else these days that got upped to 40 hours per week to qualify for full time benefits. But I know of cases in the corporate world where 32 hours would qualify you for benefits, just less benefits than full time employees would get. And that might be the case in some places in higher ed. too.

I too was "nudged" (more like forced) into early retirement when my company terminated me while on worker's comp. after slipping and falling and breaking my arm on company property. They specifically were targeting older people making better salaries and then hiring young unexperienced people and paying them a lot less. In the case of my job, they hired a temp. and kept her as a temp. as long as possible in order to avoid paying benefits. They eventually hired her, but then ended up terminating her a year later for no stated reason, like they did with me. Being able to terminate without cause is specific to the state. Some states are "at will" states. CT is one, which is one reason why bringing a wrongful termination lawsuit like I did is much harder there. But they terminated me while on worker's comp. which is right there a violation of CT law because it states that you can't terminate someone while collecting worker's comp. So I won that case.

[Yeah No]

On 5/23/2025 at 11:49 AM, bluegirl147 said:

And this is why I get so angry when I read comments about people on SNAP or receive  Medicaid saying they are lazy and get a job.  Most people do have jobs but those jobs  don't offer health insurance and  they don't get enough hours or get paid enough to support their families without assistance.   So why don't those judgmental people turn their judgement on employers who don't provide a living wage?  It is never the employers fault always the employee who I guess is at fault for working a job that doesn't pay them enough. And when someone says they need to get a better job I ask and who is going to do the low paying job then?  That job still needs done.   And of course they have no answer for that.

This is what I want to know. These employers don't want to pay a living wage so that their CEOs can continue to make obscenely high salaries. The income disparity between workers and CEOs is shockingly high right now. I think I read somewhere that it might be even worse than in the time of the robber barons when adjusted, and that was pretty bad. I think it was at its lowest in the 1970s or thereabouts. But no, they'll still blame the workers for their plight. And it's true of all workers across the board, not just at the low end. They're all making less than they should for what they do in order to finance those huge CEO and C-suite executive salaries.

There was a lot of press about dissatisfaction about income disparity a few years ago but it got drowned out by other issues and of course the smoke and mirrors of Trump who wants us all to be distracted and buy into his insane views and solutions to economic problems, some of which don't even exist so we don't pay attention to the REAL reasons we don't have enough money.

[Yeah No]

On 5/23/2025 at 2:44 PM, JustHereForFood said:

Two people murdered in a DC hate crime

This is what ignoring the blatant antisemitism and radicalization of the far-left resulted in.

On 5/23/2025 at 2:54 PM, Anela said:

This was one person, and I don't see anyone celebrating what he did. Also, protesting genocide is not antisemitic. He made a horrible choice, based on the fact that other people are dying, and it could be stopped. 

On 5/23/2025 at 3:11 PM, peacheslatour said:

Exactly. He accomplished nothing for the people of Gaza and he killed two people who have no control over the situation whatsoever. It's like shooting a grocery clerk because you don't like the price of eggs.

A friend from HS's mother passed away a few days ago and she put my phone number on a group text to share funeral details, etc. She and her family are Jewish. I got a text from her yesterday with details on how to donate a tree to Israel in honor of her Mom and suddenly started to get bombarded with vile texts from someone on the distribution on the atrocities of "Isra-hell" and how to support them is to support genocide, etc. I didn't know who the person was as names did not appear, only phone numbers. Then my friend wrote to the distribution to tell her that she was not in support of the violence and wished the conflict would end. All she wanted to do was do something good by planting trees where there is now nothing but destruction.

She begged the woman to please stop (I don't know why she didn't just block her from the distribution but that's another issue.) The woman, still nasty, agreed to back down but only begrudgingly. I felt SO sorry for my friend - first she loses her mother (who lived to be a ripe old 94), and then she has to suffer the online wrath of some pro-Palestinian who isn't even a friend and doesn't even care that she's Jewish and just lost her Mom. It turns out that the woman wasn't even a friend but had organized my friend's wedding shower a few years ago. I guess my friend didn't realize that leaving her on the distribution would hurt.

So it's stuff like this - the radicalization of people that a) don't have any relationship whatsoever to the Middle East and b) have a very limited understanding of the convoluted history between Israel and Palestine and c) have limited Emotional Intelligence or empathy. These are people that are being "radicalized" by the internet and fed one sided incomplete garbage by people that just want to escalate the conflict for their own axe-grinding purposes, not solve anything. 

[Anela]

 

"NEW: Jake Wood, the executive director of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, has resigned just as the program was set to begin distributing food. “However, it is clear that it is not possible to implement this plan while also strictly adhering to the humanitarian principles of humanity, neutrality, impartiality, and independence, which I will not abandon,” Wood said in a statement."

[Yeah No]

 

On 5/23/2025 at 6:47 PM, shapeshifter said:

I agree.

Today my oldest daughter and I were talking about YKW. 
Of my 3 daughters, she's the only one I can discuss this stuff with. With 3 of them, it's kind of like Goldilocks; there's always one who's just right for the situation. In this case, one of her sisters is too hot and the other too cold, heh, more or less. 

So, she at least considered my idea, which is: It may not be that he is incapable of feeling empathy; it may be that he is terrified of feeling empathy.
And now, after a lifetime of cultivating his habits of bullying etc. to avoid feeling empathy or sympathy, he cannot change.

I think it's sweet that you think he is capable of empathy. Bless your sweet heart, lol😉, but I don't agree. I think that if he was ever able to feel it, he certainly doesn't now and I don't think it's because he's terrified of feeling it. He is SO self-centered that he is incapable of caring about anyone's feelings but his own. Empathy would be a sign of being a "loser" in Trump's eyes. But I don't think he has to put much effort into avoiding it. I think it comes all too naturally to him. The effort for him would be to actually feel empathy. Narcissists lack self-awareness which is necessary for empathy so that is yet another reason I think he is incapable of it. Also, he was likely a victim of some kind of abuse from his father, probably emotional abuse, and that also makes someone less likely to be capable of empathy.

But I love your faith in humanity, though!

[Anela]

 

 

[Soapy Goddess]

17 hours ago, Affogato said:

A bunch of people, at the invitation of the sitting president, attempted to overthrow the government by force and violence (including the murder of the sitting vice president, because he intended to do his job).

What most didn't hear is that Trump said "go peacefully". Unfortunately, the media doesn't always report details. Yes, there was violence, but Trump didn't order violence. Just like when the NJ official decided she was going to force her way into an ICE agency. 

IMO, throwing Molotov cocktails and setting cars on fire IS violence. Don't you agree? If not, what would you consider willful destruction of property whether the dealership or individually owned?

17 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

I think saying "none of them have been peaceful" is maybe a bit overreach? I know that I marched in Atlanta on the Hands Off Peaceful Protest March with my husband and son in law and it was totally peaceful.  We were there for a while at the start, marched the entire route, and it ended at the State Capital and was peaceful.  Local news reported it was peaceful with no incidents.  It was mostly a diverse group but we were alerted as to why it was not completely diverse - because of the fear of ICE hiding in plain sight.  Not all people of diversity are illegal, but, that didn't seem to matter.  And y'all know what I mean by diverse.  And, I am guessing with all the marches that day, a lot of them were peaceful.

Understood.

[Annber03]

He can say "go peacefully" all he wants. None of the events of January 6th would've happened at all if he had just accepted his loss in 2020 like a mature human being and not spread lies and bullshit about how he TOTALLY WON THE ELECTION, YOU GUYS. 

And once they stomed the Capitol, he didn't do shit to put a stop to it. He just sat there and watched the events unfold, and continued, even after January 6th, to push his, "I won the election" bullshit. 

All he had to do in November 2020 was accpet that he lost and shut up and move on, and we souldn't be in this mess. 

[Soapy Goddess]

4 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I'm just wondering how all of this is making us great again.

And you're never going to learn any of that here. It's unfortunate, but true.

3 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

At least I hope the markets learn to ignore him. Nothing but empty threats and bluster. He's just a screaming toddler swiping his shitty hands on our world. I look forward to reading his obituary.

 

Bluster or dictator??  Because dictators don't make empty threats.

[Anela]

12 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

And you're never going to learn any of that here. It's unfortunate, but true.

Bluster or dictator??  Because dictators don't make empty threats.

It isn’t making us great again. I think that’s her point. 

[Soapy Goddess]

1 hour ago, Yeah No said:

I would think that if you are really looking at the bigger picture you would know that the kind of violence you're talking about is by far not exclusive to Democrats. I don't know who is guilty of more of them but given how many instances there have been coming from both sides does bringing up the Tesla incident really make a specific point against Democrats? At least when Democrats complain about the horrible things Trump does there is no one equivalent on the Democratic side, not even CLOSE and I don't think that's even open for argument given how many times and how egregiously Trump has broken the law, defied the Constitution and shown himself to be deluded, ignorant, racist, mean spirited, petty and selfish.

Violence aside, Reps are tired of the same ole mantra. Now matter what Trump does, Dems are having no part of it. As someone once pointed out, if he found a cure for cancer, Dems would be shouting "we love cancer". 

Reps are also tired of all the lies or omissions being reported...starting with Biden being perfectly healthy. It is now being reported that close allies knew about his decline since 2019. And now the latest lie or gossip, is that Trump faked his injury and there was no assassination attempt. Really?!? Did a rubber bullet kill a man sitting behind Trump?!?

And for a man who's supposed to be so racist, why did he single out Alice Marie Johnson for a full pardon?

 

[Anela]

Just now, Soapy Goddess said:

Violence aside, Reps are tired of the same ole mantra. Now matter what Trump does, Dems are having no part of it. As someone once pointed out, if he found a cure for cancer, Dems would be shouting "we love cancer". 

Reps are also tired of all the lies or omissions being reported...starting with Biden being perfectly healthy. It is now being reported that close allies knew about his decline since 2019. And now the latest lie or gossip, is that Trump faked his injury and there was no assassination attempt. Really?!? Did a rubber bullet kill a man sitting behind Trump?!?

And for a man who's supposed to be so racist, why did he single out Alice Marie Johnson for a full pardon?

 

No, we wouldn’t be saying that we love cancer.  That’s actually a disgusting thing to say.

He fast-tracked a Covid vaccine, which was a good thing if true. I remember one of his strongest supporters that I knew, stating the vaccine would be successful around 94% of the time, I think it was.  Guess what happened after Biden won the election, and the conspiracy theories about the vaccine were going wild? That same man became an anti-vaxxer.  He changed his tune, and started lying about the vaccine.  

Why did I come here? I need sleep.  

[Soapy Goddess]

23 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

He can say "go peacefully" all he wants. None of the events of January 6th would've happened at all if he had just accepted his loss in 2020 like a mature human being and not spread lies and bullshit about how he TOTALLY WON THE ELECTION, YOU GUYS. 

And once they stomed the Capitol, he didn't do shit to put a stop to it. He just sat there and watched the events unfold, and continued, even after January 6th, to push his, "I won the election" bullshit. 

All he had to do in November 2020 was accpet that he lost and shut up and move on, and we souldn't be in this mess. 

Ok, then what exactly could he done to stop it? These crazy people were on their own and not taking orders from anyone. They weren't paying attention to their phones or any other media, there were no TVs around, so even if Trump put out a tweet or went on TV, there was no way for these people to see and hear it. So again I ask, what exactly could he have done to stop them DURING THE RIOT? 

9 minutes ago, Anela said:

It isn’t making us great again. I think that’s her point. 

Agree. None of what's going on in this world is going to make us great again. That's the unfortunate part.

[Soapy Goddess]

16 minutes ago, Anela said:

No, we wouldn’t be saying that we love cancer.  That’s actually a disgusting thing to say.

Good to know, but I didn't coin that phrase (or sentence). However, it's no more disgusting than wishing someone dead. Sad how everything comes down to semantics, isn't it? 

Edited Monday at 06:44 AM by Soapy Goddess

[Annber03]

27 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Ok, then what exactly could he done to stop it? These crazy people were on their own and not taking orders from anyone. They weren't paying attention to their phones or any other media, there were no TVs around, so even if Trump put out a tweet or went on TV, there was no way for these people to see and hear it. So again I ask, what exactly could he have done to stop them DURING THE RIOT? 

He seemed to be totally fine with tear-gassing peaceful protesters in order to do a photo op with a Bible, yet you're telling me he couldn't possibly lift a single finger to forcefully remove those violent protestors from the Capitol, or aid those who had the ability? Okay. So much for that Mr Tough Guy persona of his that his supporters claim they love about him. 

And no, those protesters were VERY MUCH taking their orders from someone - Trump himself. They went there inspired by HIS lies and HIS fase claims about how he won the 2020 election. He knew exactly what he was doing by spreading those lies and telling them to go to the Capitol that day, you know full well he did. Let's not try and pretend otherwise. 

[Soapy Goddess]

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

He seemed to be totally fine with tear-gassing peaceful protesters in order to do a photo op with a Bible, yet you're telling me he couldn't possibly lift a single finger to forcefully remove those violent protestors from the Capitol, or aid those who had the ability? Okay. So much for that Mr Tough Guy persona of his that his supporters claim they love about him. 

And no, those protesters were VERY MUCH taking their orders from someone - Trump himself. They went there inspired by HIS lies and HIS fase claims about how he won the 2020 election. He knew exactly what he was doing by spreading those lies and telling them to go to the Capitol that day, you know full well he did. Let's not try and pretend otherwise. 

How does one person forcefully remove thousands of protestors? Please enlighten me. 

He said "go peacefully". He never said climb the building, hurt cops, etc. They might have been inspired to protest, but no one could predict exactly what they would have done and did.

You can't blame someone for another person's actions. It's like telling someone they're worthless and then that person decides to harm themselves. Ultimately, it's the person who reacts who's responsible for their own actions. This is a fact. No pretending here.

 

Edited Monday at 08:30 AM by Soapy Goddess

[tres bien]

Everyone plays Trump like a fiddle and he’s either too dumb to recognize it or he still thinks he’s the master of the art of deal which is just more of his ego maniac mental disorder 

Everyday the tariffs which are going to make us the richest country in the history of the world and bring back the gilded age are coming or going or most likely never happening because he doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing and is surrounded by an entire party of scared sycophants 

And he’s big mad at Putin for not being able to bully him like he’s been able to bully everyone and everything else. Thank goodness for Canada and Greenland for continuing to tell him to fuck off

Today reminds me how he has no love for our country our history or our heroes who made us who we are today. He’s erased people from our our history because of their color or gender

And the saddest thing is that our 250 birthday is slightly more than a year away and this pompous self centered megalomaniac will be one leading the celebration or whatever he decides will put him front and center to deliver a bat shit crazy speech on whatever inappropriate or offensive remarks that believes says Happy Birthday America except to the…. Well you know fill in the blank with all his perceived enemies

Edited Monday at 11:03 AM by tres bien

[Affogato]

3 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

How does one person forcefully remove thousands of protestors? Please enlighten me. 

He said "go peacefully". He never said climb the building, hurt cops, etc. They might have been inspired to protest, but no one could predict exactly what they would have done and did.

You can't blame someone for another person's actions. It's like telling someone they're worthless and then that person decides to harm themselves. Ultimately, it's the person who reacts who's responsible for their own actions. This is a fact. No pretending here.

 

Well yes, he could have predicted.  we all could have predicted. These are people dressed in animal skins and horned helmets.
 

And he is responsible for the acts of his followers, ask Jesus. Or McArthur.
 

and assuming he just missed all the clues?
 

If he hadn’t wanted the violence be would renounce it, not reward it. 

5 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Ok, then what exactly could he done to stop it? These crazy people were on their own and not taking orders from anyone. They weren't paying attention to their phones or any other media, there were no TVs around, so even if Trump put out a tweet or went on TV, there was no way for these people to see and hear it. So again I ask, what exactly could he have done to stop them DURING THE RIOT? 

Agree. None of what's going on in this world is going to make us great again. That's the unfortunate part.

Be could have shown the world and the country that he disagreed with what was going on. Maybe they would not have stopped. He could have spoken out against it repeatedly. He could not have pardoned people who did it. 
 

he liked it. He reveled in it. It was like a dream come true for his narcissistic self. 

[Ohiopirate02]

12 minutes ago, Affogato said:

Well yes, he could have predicted.  we all could have predicted. These are people dressed in animal skins and horned helmets.
 

And he is responsible for the acts of his followers, ask Jesus. Or McArthur.
 

and assuming he just missed all the clues?
 

If he hadn’t wanted the violence be would renounce it, not reward it. 

Be could have shown the world and the country that he disagreed with what was going on. Maybe they would not have stopped. He could have spoken out against it repeatedly. He could not have pardoned people who did it. 
 

he liked it. He reveled in it. It was like a dream come true for his narcissistic self. 

He literally pardoned people who participated in storming the capital, and his administration is paying money to the family of the woman who died in some kind of wrongful death settlement. What more proof is needed that Trump agrees with what happened?

[Affogato]

5 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

 

And for a man who's supposed to be so racist, why did he single out Alice Marie Johnson for a full pardon?

 

Trump would be incapable of finding a cure for cancer. He has not the training. Yes, he could support the research,  but he has not. He has overseen the defunding. If he took credit for anything in that area done ‘on his watch’ it would be despicable. It would happen in spite of his efforts. 
 

he is a systemic general racist, for sure.  As a narcissist he likely does not have any strong beliefs. Someone convinced him that was a good idea. Now he rewards Musk with supporting white South Africans. 

Edited Monday at 12:02 PM by Affogato

[Dimity]

He is the president of the United States and he gives speeches wearing his stupid red ball cap.  The wonder is that he didn't wear it to the Pope's funeral. He is a national embarrassment and the only thing worse is the embarrassing way people defend and adulate him for being his vicious, narcissistic self.

[Affogato]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/victim-victor/202101/what-are-the-main-values-narcissist

quote:
 

The following values are typical for someone who suffers from a narcissistic personality disorder:

1. Image and appearance

It is of the greatest importance to come across as beautiful, rich, intelligent, well-connected and successful and a narcissist will sacrifice values as financial security, love, honesty to image and appearance. This is what will give them confidenceand at the same time it is the way to mask their lack of it. Getting into debt to show off the latest car or designer gadget is common amongst them.

2. Disrespect

There is only respect for their own needs and in order to get those met, they disrespect anything else. Other people’s perspective (they are not willing or able to see another perspective), boundaries (their sense of entitlement will push down the boundaries), people (no one is important apart from them). It can be quite shocking to listen to the put-downs and discrediting of other people or notice how they reveal personal information about others.

3. Dishonesty

The truth is the truth that serves a purpose in the world of the narcissist. There is no factual truth, there is their vision that will enhance and ensure that their needs are met. They lie, twist, reframe without seeing that as dishonesty. It is a necessity to keep themselves safe. They have no problem denying a situation, even if it is presented with proof.

4. Self-centeredness

The world revolves around them and everyone who happens to be part of that world should go along with it. All events, situations and stories have them as the centrepiece. Their actions are focussed on creating it or even forcing it. The eulogy a narcissist wrote for his mother was, apart from the first few sentences, all about him.

5. Disloyalty

People can’t be trusted, people are there to be used and if they don’t fulfil their purpose anymore it is time to find someone else who can replace them. There is no recognition of the worth of shared experiences. It is very common that a narcissistic ex-partner will be involved within weeks with someone new.

6. Control

It is extremely important for the narcissist to be in control. In control of themselves as they need to protect their fragile ego, and in control of the people around them who need to give them their supply. And the supply doesn’t need to be given naturally, it can easily be forced. The narcissist doesn’t care how they get it, as long as they get it. One way of control is to estrange people from each other through triangulation.

7. Self-importance

The only thing that counts is person number one. The life of other people is organised, controlled and bullied around the importance of the narcissist. The lack of empathy, let alone compassion, makes it impossible for them to connect to the emotions and upset of others and makes it easier to focus on the self and making sure that their needs are met. It is very normal narcissistic behaviour to create a scene at a party, just to get the focus onto them.

When dealing with a narcissist, it is important to know (not understand!) where they are coming from. They think, feel and behave very differently from other people and unfortunately can be very damaging. Protect yourself through knowledge is a good first step. If you recognise that someone seems to embrace values like mentioned above, be aware and be careful.

Edited Monday at 12:08 PM by Affogato

[tres bien]

Alice Marie Johnson. Give me a break the woman was in jail for trafficking cocaine

She received clemency from Trump because Kim Kardashian went to the WH to advocate for her. Of course because he only knows that Kim Kardashian wants this I’ll sign off

And you think look she’s black he can’t be racist. Have you forgotten about the Central Park Five and his heinous behavior towards them even today 

And now Johnson has been rewarded with being his “pardon czar”

What about all the people in jails or prisons serving time that don’t have a Kim Kardashian to speak out for them 

[BetyBee]

11 minutes ago, Dimity said:

He is the president of the United States and he gives speeches wearing his stupid red ball cap.  The wonder is that he didn't wear it to the Pope's funeral. He is a national embarrassment and the only thing worse is the embarrassing way people defend and adulate him for being his vicious, narcissistic self.

He didn't remove his cap for the National Anthem. But, how could he? His hair is styled in such a unique, combover method and if he took off his  stupid cap, his bald spots might show!

[lookeyloo]

3 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Alice Marie Johnson. Give me a break the woman was in jail for trafficking cocaine

She received clemency from Trump because Kim Kardashian went to the WH to advocate for her. Of course because he only knows that Kim Kardashian wants this I’ll sign off

And you think look she’s black he can’t be racist. Have you forgotten about the Central Park Five and his heinous behavior towards them even today 

And now Johnson has been rewarded with being his “pardon czar”

What about all the people in jails or prisons serving time that don’t have a Kim Kardashian to speak out for them 

Agree.  And Johnson is a sample of One.  Hardly representative of a greater belief.

Also remember the Birther thing.

[Dimity]

King Charles is in Canada today and tomorrow. Trump can't handle attention being focused anywhere but on himself, so brace yourselves he is bound to do or say something heinous.

3 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

He didn't remove his cap for the National Anthem. But, how could he? His hair is styled in such a unique, combover method and if he took off his  stupid cap, his bald spots might show!

Maga   would lose their minds if Biden or Obama had left a hat on during the national  anthem!

Edited Monday at 12:18 PM by Dimity