Chit-Chat: The Feels

[bluegirl147]

Jimmy Carter accomplished so much more after he was President and if you asked him he probably would have said that mattered more.  And he would be right. He genuinely went into politics to do good.  I wish there were more like him.

[peacheslatour]

21 minutes ago, Dimity said:

As someone upthread noted Carter's presidency had some similiarities to Biden's.  Many positive things happened but they were totally overwhelmed by things that were, for the most part, out of his control. 

I remember when Reagan had President Carter's solar panels ripped off the roof of the White House. Think about how much further along we'd be in the implementation of renewable energy if that had become more the norm instead of science denial?

[tearknee]

13 minutes ago, Anela said:

I was a toddler, too. I think we’re the same age.  :)

You are an Xennial, too? :)

We stereotypically don't care about anything but we *also* stereotypically hate Boomers ;)

[PRgal]

22 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

It's a class conflict. And the patriarchy mints money on it.

But often, it's groups with less advantage who are more patriarchal than those who are not.  I'm finding that lower income, non-English speaking immigrants tend to be more traditional-minded in terms of gender roles than same ethnicity, middle and upper income English speakers.  Especially middle and upper income English speakers working outside of the their own ethnic enclave (boomer aged immigrants from my ancestral community often worked almost exclusively within the culture.  For example, real estate agents would have predominantly Chinese-speaking clientele and doctors and dentists would have almost exclusively Chinese speaking patients.  Things are a bit different among GenX and Millennials, but they also tend to be Canadian born or those who spent at least a few years of high school in Canada).  And I can only speak for my ethnic group, but mental health is VERY stigmatized, so males in this group are even MORE oppressed.  

[tearknee]

2 minutes ago, PRgal said:

But often, it's groups with less advantage who are more patriarchal than those who are not.  I'm finding that lower income, non-English speaking immigrants tend to be more traditional-minded in terms of gender roles than same ethnicity, middle and upper income English speakers.  Especially middle and upper income English speakers working outside of the their own ethnic enclave (boomer aged immigrants from my ancestral community often worked almost exclusively within the culture.  For example, real estate agents would have predominantly Chinese-speaking clientele and doctors and dentists would have almost exclusively Chinese speaking patients.  Things are a bit different among GenX and Millennials, but they also tend to be Canadian born or those who spent at least a few years of high school in Canada).  And I can only speak for my ethnic group, but mental health is VERY stigmatized, so males in this group are even MORE oppressed.  

Also, it *shouldn't* be different for cis-het boys and guys to check out cis-het girls and women and find aspects of their body sexually or romantically appealing than if the genders are reversed. Sadly, while a cis-het boy or guy may be happy, even flattered, by such from a girl or woman, a girl or woman has to worry about what is likely to happen next :'(

[Lantern7]

Thinking ahead to another funeral. Has any President been privately interred? Because the guy I'm thinking about would get a roast to end all roasts. There's more in my head, but I'll stop here.

[PRgal]

22 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Also, it *shouldn't* be different for cis-het boys and guys to check out cis-het girls and women and find aspects of their body sexually or romantically appealing than if the genders are reversed. Sadly, while a cis-het boy or guy may be happy, even flattered, by such from a girl or woman, a girl or woman has to worry about what is likely to happen next :'(

I’ve mentioned this before but when I interned a summer as an undergrad in a very female dominated department, things I heard coming out of the “older ladies’” mouths were…let’s just say…better left for the writers of a certain HBO show wildly popular during that era (especially for a certain character)….oh, and you can’t report to HR because they WERE HR.  
 

note:  I am now in that age range those “older ladies” were in back in the day.  I am not an older lady. 

[Ohiopirate02]

26 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Thinking ahead to another funeral. Has any President been privately interred? Because the guy I'm thinking about would get a roast to end all roasts. There's more in my head, but I'll stop here.

Yes. State funerals for president's were not a thing during the 19th century barring the presidents who died in office. Former presidents and their families get to decide their funerals. I don't know who pays for the whole shebang of a state funeral. I think that will play a huge factor in how Trump's eventual funeral goes down. I'm sure if he dies before January 20, 2029 that the US taxpayer foots the bill.

 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Ohiopirate02

[Calvada]

24 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Thinking ahead to another funeral. Has any President been privately interred? Because the guy I'm thinking about would get a roast to end all roasts. There's more in my head, but I'll stop here.

In modern times, there has been a public component to the services, usually in Washington, D.C.  But the final service and/or interment is sometimes private, invitation only, no TV.  

Former POTUSes probably will attend Trump's funeral, if only because it is the appropriate thing to do. Although given how he lied about all of them, falsely accused them of crimes, hounded members of their families, I would not fault any of them for declining to show up to "honor" him.  If it were me, I'd claim illness prevented me from attending.  Even if the former POTUSes attended, I could see some of the former First Ladies (Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Jill Biden) telling their spouses hell no, we won't go.

Trump always seems out of place when the formers get together.  They have friendships/bonds that he is not a part of - Michelle & George W have a fondness for each other, Bill Clinton became very close to the Bush family, Barack calls Joe his brother, etc.  Trump is the school bully who shows up at the 25th reunion and can't figure out why he's not welcomed with open arms.    

[PRgal]

1 hour ago, Anela said:

I was a toddler, too. I think we’re the same age.  :)

And I was barely alive.  Reagan was elected two months after my first birthday.  

[Dimity]

From what I just read the flags stay at half mast for 30 days after the death of a former President which means they will be at half mast for Trump's Inauguration.  Very fitting.

[pinkandsparkly13]

Geez Louise, is everyone here a liberal/Democrat? Well I've read between the lines for years here now to realize that. Lol.

Well I know not everyone is. I'm a Mexican woman and I'm going to be fine as I have been for years . 🤷🏼‍♀️😁 I love my peeps here though. 

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

And I was barely alive.  Reagan was elected two months after my first birthday.  

I was born the year Reagan got elected to a second term. Exactly one month before that election, in fact. 

[Anela]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

And I was barely alive.  Reagan was elected two months after my first birthday.  

 

3 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I was born the year Reagan got elected to a second term. Exactly one month before that election, in fact. 

My sister was born about six or seven weeks after Jimmy Carter was elected. I'm twenty months older than her. Her birthday is the 26th. 

I remember Nancy's "Just say no" being on the news in England, when I was little, after we'd been watching something like Grange Hill, before the news came on. Clinton's presidency was the first one I was familiar with, after we moved back here. I just remember the first Iraq war, and mum being afraid. Then Clinton winning, and I was paying attention, but wasn't quite old enough to vote. I liked him at the time. I don't, anymore. 

[Annber03]

Clinton's presidency is the first one I really remember all that clearly, 'cause I remember my parents being happy about him winning and I remember us sitting in my elementary school class making little booklets with basic facts about him nd his family (his daughter's name was Chelsea, he had a pet named Socks, etc.). 

[Bastet]

9 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

he had a pet named Socks, etc.

Until they dumped him for Buddy (yes, okay, I know that's not a fair statement and Socks had a great second home with Betty Currie).  I remember the Murphy Brown episode where Murphy accidentally kidnapped Socks.  He wasn't the first White House cat (Lincoln's were, as far as has been documented), but he was the most famous.  (Remember when that Tea Party dude - leader of the "Vince Foster was murdered!" crowd and all-around nutjob - used his House Oversight Committee position to question the resources used to answer all the mail addressed to Socks?) To this day he's the only First Cat I know by name.  I loved all the pictures of him the press corps was obsessed with getting.

[Yeah No]

10 hours ago, Dimity said:

Apparently Elon Musk as been outed on X as having another account under the name Adrian Dittman.  Adrian really loves Elon.

Elon's got his very own sock puppet!! 😏

10 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression. 

Did you create that expression? Because it's brilliant!

9 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I appreciate you vigorously advocating for boys. As a boy mom myself, I get it. My son was diagnosed with some kind of hyperactivity flavor of the week by a teacher, we took him and had him privately tested. The testing facility said he was extremely bright and probably bored out his mind.

9 hours ago, nokat said:

I so identify with this. I was so bored, and tasked with helping other students. Thanks to libraries, I didn't go mad. Not yet. 

To stay on topic, thank goodness for libraries.

This was me too, back in 1964 in first grade before anyone got diagnosed with anything. Back then they just called you a "behavior problem". Meanwhile I was bored out of my mind and expected to sit with my hands folded until the rest of the class caught up with the assignment. And yes, thank goodness for libraries because once I discovered books you couldn't get me away from them.

[Yeah No]

5 hours ago, Dimity said:

As someone upthread noted Carter's presidency had some similiarities to Biden's.  Many positive things happened but they were totally overwhelmed by things that were, for the most part, out of his control. 

I voted for Jimmy Carter twice. I had just turned 18 in his first election. The more I learn about his presidency and what he was up against the more I see that what you say above is true. 

Jimmy Carter was a true idealist. The more I learn about many "politicians" the more I feel that calling him a "bad" one is a compliment!

[anony.miss]

6 hours ago, PRgal said:

What I'm seeing is toxic masculinity oppressing boys and it being dismissed by some advocacy groups (mostly feminist and DEI

Which feminist or diversity-promoting groups have you seen deny the impact of toxic masculinity on young boys?  (Asking for specifics to avoid those groups.) Denial would be a truly bizarre, anti-feminist position to take, since feminism has long spoken about the negative impact of patriarchy on not just women and girls, but boys and men.

Quote

"Rigid masculinity norms are keeping men sick, emotionally stunted, lonely and disconnected. As I wrote in Boymom - “Under patriarchy, men and boys get everything, except the thing that is most worth having. Human connection.”

Sadly  (in that progress has been nowhere near expansive enough)  Whippman sounds exactly like Gloria Steinem over the last half century:

"The men I've met who were the best allies of feminism are those who see...that they themselves are being limited by a culture that deprives men of human qualities deemed feminine, which are actually just the qualities necessary to raise kids — empathy and attention to detail and patience. Men have those qualities too but they're not encouraged to develop them. And so they miss out on raising their kids, and they actually shorten their own lives." (2012)

'We've begun to raise daughters more like sons... but few have the courage to raise our sons more like our daughters.' (2004)

"Women's Liberation aims to free men, too." (1970)

Edited December 30, 2024 by anony.miss

[tearknee]

 

48 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

Which feminist or diversity-promoting groups have you seen deny the impact of toxic masculinity on young boys?  (Asking for specifics to avoid those groups.) Denial would be a truly bizarre, anti-feminist position to take, since feminism has long spoken about the negative impact of patriarchy on not just women and girls, but boys and men.

Sadly  (in that cultural progress has not been anywhere expansive enough)  Whippman sounds exactly like Gloria Steinem over the last half century:

"The men I've met who were the best allies of feminism are those who see...that they themselves are being limited by a culture that deprives men of human qualities deemed feminine, which are actually just the qualities necessary to raise kids — empathy and attention to detail and patience. Men have those qualities too but they're not encouraged to develop them. And so they miss out on raising their kids, and they actually shorten their own lives." (2012)

'We've begun to raise daughters more like sons... but few have the courage to raise our sons more like our daughters.' (2004)

"Women's Liberation aims to free men, too." (1970)

 

Steinem would agree with my earlier post - i think it's her that originally made that point that it shouldn't be different for a guy to find a girl or woman's boobs or legs or bottom attractive then the  gender reversed equivalent - but as with the CPR issue, most feminist activism and arguments are perfectly reasonable in the intellectual and abstract -- however most people are guided by emotion -- hence women have died from cardiac problems in public that did not need to.

the university-educated middle class intellectual elite needs to stop thinking and acting like listeners to NPR and start approaching solving gender issues by considering first about how normies would see and experience their proffered solutions.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2023-10-06/women-less-likely-to-receive-bystander-cpr-than-men/102937012

[nokat]

6 hours ago, tearknee said:

You are an Xennial, too? :)

We stereotypically don't care about anything but we *also* stereotypically hate Boomers ;)

I'm at that edge of boomer. It doesn't suddenly change you into an asshole one year or the next. 

[tearknee]

48 minutes ago, nokat said:

I'm at that edge of boomer. It doesn't suddenly change you into an asshole one year or the next. 

I was trying to make a joke :'(

[tearknee]

You'd have to be well into your sixties to be able to remember the last time a Democratic Party POTUS died (LBJ).

[fairffaxx]

10 hours ago, Calvada said:

Former POTUSes probably will attend Trump's funeral, if only because it is the appropriate thing to do.

And to be sure he's really dead.  When Nixon died, I seriously considered travelling to his funeral for that purpose but stayed home to celebrate instead.  I never thought I'd feel even more strongly ever again, but I do.

[nokat]

11 minutes ago, fairffaxx said:

And to be sure he's really dead.

I've been waiting for it, and not really feeling bad about it.

[Ohiopirate02]

10 hours ago, Dimity said:

From what I just read the flags stay at half mast for 30 days after the death of a former President which means they will be at half mast for Trump's Inauguration.  Very fitting.

Part of me thinks Jimmy held on just long enough to make this happen. I will say that if I was one of Jimmy's kids and my dad did say he wanted the whole state funeral with his body lying in the rotunda of the capital, then I would be petty and see how I could schedule his funeral around January 20th. January 21st sounds really good as the date to begin. Let the Dems show up to DC en masse to view his body right after since Trump is so invested in crowd size.

If the Carter family were to do something like this, I live close enough to DC and have enough Hyatt and Hilton points to make the trip for one night.

[BetyBee]

15 hours ago, Notabug said:

The Carter family has too much respect for this country to ignore the tradition that all sitting and former presidents attend the funeral of their colleagues.  I only hope Trump has the class and decency to issue a statement of condolences and regret that he will be unable to attend due to another pressing engagement.  He doesn't, of course.  Maybe he's got a tee time at Mar a Lago that day.  He also might get into a snit because he won't be allowed to stand at the pulpit and give one of his patented incoherent speeches and decide not to go; which works for me.

Trump, even if he were the sitting president, would never have been asked to speak.  I expect Clinton and Obama, the party's master orators, will be doing that.

Jimmy Carter was my candidate in the first presidential election I ever voted in.

Jimmy Carter was my candidate in the first presidential election I was able to vote in too. He was a very good man who lived an admirable life. That is what good people strive to do with their lives. I'm glad that he lived such a long life, filled with love and caring for others. 

[fastiller]

On 12/28/2024 at 8:13 PM, JustHereForFood said:

I've read this before and it always makes me baffled. These white supremacist toxic masculine men pick their name from a musical song written by a gay man and sung by a brown character? Can they not see the irony? (Also, grown men calling themselves boys, ugh.)

 

On 12/24/2024 at 10:57 AM, Spartan Girl said:

They came up with that name by bastardizing the late, great Howard Ashman’s “Proud of Your Boy” song from Aladdin (cut from the film but put in the Broadway musical) where Aladdin promises his mother he’ll be a better man. But these fucks believed that men shouldn’t be sorry for anything that they do, and that all women are just bitches.

These quoted in the wrong order; I can't fix it.
Anyway, one of my favourite tidbits about the Proud Boys is this: in 2020 a bunch of them decided it would be a good idea to wear kilts.  The ones they bought are from Verillas - an LGBTQ+ owned design company.  I don't think the Proud Boys looked at the bottom of the company's website:

More here.  

 

[ABay]

1 hour ago, BetyBee said:

Jimmy Carter was my candidate in the first presidential election I was able to vote in too.

Carter v. Reagan was the first presidential election I was eligible to vote in. *sigh*

[Yeah No]

7 hours ago, nokat said:

I'm at that edge of boomer. It doesn't suddenly change you into an asshole one year or the next. 

Oh, but there IS a point at which you become an asshole? LOL, just messin' with you!

BTW I am famous for my rants about prejudice against Boomers. Being a later one I it bugs me because I think most of it is unfair, and as I've said many times I don't identify with the earlier Boomers on a lot of things. There was a lot of intense social change going on during those years so even a few years makes a difference. For example, I don't feel completely in sync with people born even 5 years before me, something I have been aware of for my entire life. But when I talk to people like me from "Generation Jones" we are completely in sync in just about every way.

6 hours ago, tearknee said:

You'd have to be well into your sixties to be able to remember the last time a Democratic Party POTUS died (LBJ).

I am 66. I was 14 when LBJ died. But I am sure that even if I were 5 at the time I'd have known about it. I was 5 when JFK was shot and I still remember it vividly, but I am about as young as can be and have those kinds of vivid memories of JFK's assassination. My parents subscribed to "Life" magazine which was full of big pictures and I watched the TV news even back then so I knew very well who he was and that he was our president.

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, BetyBee said:

He was a very good man who lived an admirable life. That is what good people strive to do with their lives. I'm glad that he lived such a long life, filled with love and caring for others. 

Even though his presidency wasn't as successful as he hoped he will be remembered for Habitat for Humanity and all the other good things he did.  Bill Clinton who will probably have Monica's name mentioned a lot when he dies will still be remembered for the good things he did.  Obama will also be remembered for his accomplishments.  

Recent Republican presidents will not be remembered for anything good.  Did Bush and Trump even do anything good?

2 hours ago, nokat said:

I've been waiting for it, and not really feeling bad about it.

When Trump dies if his body lies in state will they have a plexi glass shield around it? You know so people can't spit on is casket.

10 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Clinton's presidency is the first one I really remember all that clearly, 'cause I remember my parents being happy about him winning

He was the first president I voted for. I had given birth less than a week before election day and in my son's baby book on the page that said who was president when you were born I made it a point to write GHWB but Clinton was elected six days later. I felt I needed to clarify things.

 

[Notabug]

12 hours ago, Calvada said:

In modern times, there has been a public component to the services, usually in Washington, D.C.  But the final service and/or interment is sometimes private, invitation only, no TV.  

Former POTUSes probably will attend Trump's funeral, if only because it is the appropriate thing to do. Although given how he lied about all of them, falsely accused them of crimes, hounded members of their families, I would not fault any of them for declining to show up to "honor" him.  If it were me, I'd claim illness prevented me from attending.  Even if the former POTUSes attended, I could see some of the former First Ladies (Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Jill Biden) telling their spouses hell no, we won't go.

Trump always seems out of place when the formers get together.  They have friendships/bonds that he is not a part of - Michelle & George W have a fondness for each other, Bill Clinton became very close to the Bush family, Barack calls Joe his brother, etc.  Trump is the school bully who shows up at the 25th reunion and can't figure out why he's not welcomed with open arms.    

Rosalyn is buried on the Carter family farm under a willow tree, next to a pond with a view of the front porch of the home where she and Jimmy lived and died.  I presume Jimmy will be joining her there and his interment will be private as was hers.

To clarify my previous statement, I voted for Jimmy in both '76 and '80.  I couldn't vote for Ford after the pardon of Nixon.  And I couldn't vote for Reagan because he was Reagan.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Notabug

[bluegirl147]

5 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

I am 66. I was 14 when LBJ died. But I am sure that even if I were 5 at the time I'd have known about it. I was 5 when JFK was shot and I still remember it vividly, but I am about as young as can be and have those kinds of vivid memories of JFK's assassination. My parents subscribed to "Life" magazine which was full of big pictures and I watched the TV news even back then so I knew very well who he was and that he was our president.

I'm 56 and the first political thing I remember was the Iranian hostages. My class sent them letters. I remember the 1980 election. We held our own in my class and Reagan won. Even then I couldn't and wouldn't vote for a Republican. I also remember the assassination attempt on Reagan and my science teacher Mr. Pyle finding a radio and listening to the news very upset. Probably thinking Dear God not again.

 

5 minutes ago, Notabug said:

I couldn't vote for Ford after the pardon of Nixon. 

You know when I hear people say Biden should pardon Trump I think did you learn nothing from Ford pardoning Nixon.

[Lugal]

16 hours ago, Enigma X said:

I am paraphrasing but saw a post on Bluesky that I wholeheartedly agree with. It was something like "part of the reason Carter was considered an ineffective president was because he was too much of a humanitarian to be an effective president." Carter was a good person first and then a politician.

I've long thought Carter was our last decent man to be president.  I have only the dimmest memories of his presidency, but in his post-presidency he went around building houses for homeless people rather than hitting the speech circuit for a hundred grand or so a pop. If nothing else, that raised my opinion of him, but then there was that time he prevented a second war in Korea.

[AgathaC]

I was born while Carter was in office, so the first president I was aware of was Reagan. Growing up, the people around me generally said Carter was a mediocre-at-best president, but a great former pres and terrific human. (My family leaned R at the time, but never voted a straight ticket, so they were what you’d consider independents.) Anyway, sadly, my first thought was "thank God Biden's still in office and will be through the funeral." Carter deserves better than Orangina.

I grew up in Arkansas, so you can imagine my 1990s were slammed with politics. I had close family members who had dealings with both Clintons in one way or another in the ‘80s, and they pretty much hated both of them, so I can’t say I grew up a fan. I did vote for Hillary in 2016, though. Any childhood prejudice faded in the face of you-know-who.

I also used to be a newspaper journalist and let’s just say all the rumors and national stories about Bill’s “habits”? Already widely known in AR. Listening to the old-timers talk was informative and entertaining.

[fastiller]

23 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

You know when I hear people say Biden should pardon Trump I think did you learn nothing from Ford pardoning Nixon.

Now it doesn't really matter, b/c Trump will pardon himself.

[Notabug]

18 minutes ago, Lugal said:

I've long thought Carter was our last decent man to be president.  I have only the dimmest memories of his presidency, but in his post-presidency he went around building houses for homeless people rather than hitting the speech circuit for a hundred grand or so a pop. If nothing else, that raised my opinion of him, but then there was that time he prevented a second war in Korea.

Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter put Habitat for Humanity on the map simply by showing up and pounding nails while the press took photos.  It was an obscure charity until they became advocates for it.  

Jimmy and Rosalyn also, through the Carter Foundation, spearheaded the drive to eradicate the guinea worm.  Found in underdeveloped tropical countries, the worm is a parasite which caused death and untold misery for millions of people including children.  They formed a coalition of nations where it was prevalent, having them pledge to do the public health work needed to eliminate the parasite and provided much of the funding.  Thus far, guinea worm has been completely eradicated in 15 of those nations and the WHO expects to declare it permanently gone from the world by 2027.

THAT is faith in action.

Bill and Melinda Gates, through their foundation, began working to eradicate polio worldwide based on Jimmy and Rosalyn's example.

[tearknee]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

I'm 56 and the first political thing I remember was the Iranian hostages. My class sent them letters. I remember the 1980 election. We held our own in my class and Reagan won. Even then I couldn't and wouldn't vote for a Republican. I also remember the assassination attempt on Reagan and my science teacher Mr. Pyle finding a radio and listening to the news very upset. Probably thinking Dear God not again.

 

You know when I hear people say Biden should pardon Trump I think did you learn nothing from Ford pardoning Nixon.

Ford was a decent man. A Nixon trial would have torn the country asunder.

(BTW, Nixon called Reagan a man of "limited abilities").

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Lugal said:

I've long thought Carter was our last decent man to be president. 

Do you think Obama wasn't a decent man?

[Dimity]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

Did Bush and Trump even do anything good?

When I think of Bush the good I remember is the classy way he conducted himself after leaving the presidency.  Which should be a pretty low bar but as we all know it really wasn't.

Nixon for all his many faults did do some good.  If Watergate had never happened he could have been remembered for bringing in the EPA and for getting the US out of Vietnam.  Instead he's remembered for being the second biggest crook to be president in recent memory.

[fastiller]

19 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Ford was a decent man. A Nixon trial would have torn the country asunder.

I think that would've been fine.  In fact, I think it would've made a second Trump term less likely.

The country was 'torn asunder' during other eras/for other reasons and survived.

[tres bien]

It’s been reported that President Carter’s state funeral will be held January 9th at the Washington National Cathedral 

I’m pretty sure Barbara Bush didn’t want Trump at her funeral but was ok with Melania attending.

And I believe the McCain family didn’t invite Trump to Senator McCain’s funeral but Ivanka showed up anyway much to the chagrin of Meghan McCain.  Figures. Ivanka fancies herself as someone special 

[Notabug]

31 minutes ago, tres bien said:

It’s been reported that President Carter’s state funeral will be held January 9th at the Washington National Cathedral 

I’m pretty sure Barbara Bush didn’t want Trump at her funeral but was ok with Melania attending.

And I believe the McCain family didn’t invite Trump to Senator McCain’s funeral but Ivanka showed up anyway much to the chagrin of Meghan McCain.  Figures. Ivanka fancies herself as someone special 

Word has it that Ivanka and Jared were invited after Ivanka said some kind words about McCain after his death.  The family made it fairly clear that it was Donald Trump who had no business attending.  Of course, after her father's disrespectful behavior, it probably would've been better for Ivanka to stay home to avoid casting a spotlight on herself and her family, but she loves the limelight just like Daddy.

Traditionally, the funerals of first ladies are attended by all the living first ladies and not by the former presidents, so DT wouldn't have been invited to Barbara Bush's.  Nancy Reagan died during Obama's presidency and the conservatives had a fit claiming that the President should've gone as she was such an important historical figure and it was disrespectful to Queen Nancy that only Michelle attended. Eventually, multiple reporters went through the archives and demonstrated that, traditionally, it is only former first ladies who attend the funerals of other former first ladies, that the former presidents do not.  So, fake news.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Notabug

[Dimity]

25 minutes ago, tres bien said:

And I believe the McCain family didn’t invite Trump to Senator McCain’s funeral but Ivanka showed up anyway much to the chagrin of Meghan McCain.  Figures. Ivanka fancies herself as someone special 

I can totally see Trump pulling this.  Not that he wouldn't be invited (damn protocol) but that he will do a "will he" "won't he" right to the day just because that way the focus is on him.

[peacheslatour]

8 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I can totally see Trump pulling this.  Not that he wouldn't be invited (damn protocol) but that he will do a "will he" "won't he" right to the day just because that way the focus is on him.

The most dangerous place in the world is between Donald Trump and a camera.

[Ohiopirate02]

44 minutes ago, tres bien said:

It’s been reported that President Carter’s state funeral will be held January 9th at the Washington National Cathedral 

I’m pretty sure Barbara Bush didn’t want Trump at her funeral but was ok with Melania attending.

And I believe the McCain family didn’t invite Trump to Senator McCain’s funeral but Ivanka showed up anyway much to the chagrin of Meghan McCain.  Figures. Ivanka fancies herself as someone special 

I am a firm believer in reaping what you sow, so I am not feeling all that bad for Meghan here.

[Lantern7]

28 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

The most dangerous place in the world is between Donald Trump and a camera.

That’s good to remember. Just set up a deep pit trap and loudly bring in important people for a group photo. The second he hits the ground, you start pouring the concrete.

[bluegirl147]

50 minutes ago, Notabug said:

Word has it that Ivanka and Jared were invited after Ivanka said some kind words about McCain after his death.

If I remember correctly it was Lindsey Graham who invited Jarvanka. As if he had the right to do that.

[peacheslatour]

I guess Trump doesn't like it when we call Leon Mr. President.

 

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I guess Trump doesn't like it when we call Leon Mr. President.

 

Well then we need to do this all day every day.

Sky write it above Mar a Lago.