Chit-Chat: The Feels

[bluegirl147]

Hunter Biden was in the throes of serious drug addiction when he committed the crimes he is accused of.  As the mother of a son who was also in the throes of a serious drug addiction when he committed crimes and was shown leniency by the justice system I can say it would have been a crime if Joe Biden hadn't pardoned his son.

[Dimity]

11 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Most people don't hate the rich, they want to *become* the rich.

There is a saying "you are more likely to be a few missed paychecks away from homelessness than you ever are  to be a millionaire" but people don't want to think about that.  They'd rather buy lottery tickets and vote against their own best interests.

Edited December 2 by Dimity

[PRgal]

5 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Yes. Doesn't help that you have mothers (and sisters) who think dressing their infant boys up in the old baby dresses is harmless or "will make certain he learns equality". Those mothers and daughters needn't bother doing any campaigning or advocacy on consent since what they did to their son/brother undercuts and completely discredits it. Even if they do not take pictures, it is still gleeful sadism and child abuse rather than 'love'.

A person's first bully is usually their family.

It's funny, I didn't think that dressing a baby boy up in a vintage outfit (one I wore when I was at that age). It was once and only once.  It wasn't pink (it was yellow) so I suppose it could be neutral.  It looked a little like what babies wore a century ago (and yes, infant boys' clothing from the 1900s-1920s and earlier were frilly).....

[tearknee]

8 minutes ago, PRgal said:

It's funny, I didn't think that dressing a baby boy up in a vintage outfit (one I wore when I was at that age). It was once and only once.  It wasn't pink (it was yellow) so I suppose it could be neutral.  It looked a little like what babies wore a century ago (and yes, infant boys' clothing from the 1900s-1920s and earlier were frilly).....

You don't have to worry about violence or your male friends turning on you. A son would. A friend's son recently gave up childhood ballet because his so-called friends were calling him "gay".

[Spartan Girl]

Good for Joe.

[Calvada]

14 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'm not going to say Hunter is an upstanding citizen, but the prosecution of him was obviously motivated by partisan politics. And also in relatiation to the various charges brought on the Trump family as a whole for their multiple frauds. 

He was targeted solely because of who his father is.  As well, there was enormous political interference in these matters.  According to his lawyers, they found 19 other cases in which someone has been charged in Delaware with a misstatement on a federal firearms form.  Every other person had additional charges or aggravating factors - drug trafficking, prior felony convictions, possessing multiple firearms.  Hunter Biden had none of these aggravating factors.  The tax case, where he had paid his back taxes in full with interest and penalties two years before being charged, does not usually result in criminal prosecution, but civil penalties.  His lawyers cited several cases of individuals who owed larger amounts of taxes and/or hadn't repaid them who were not charged criminally.  If his name was Hunter Smith, these prosecutions never would have happened.  

[peacheslatour]

47 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'm not going to say Hunter is an upstanding citizen, but the prosecution of him was obviously motivated by partisan politics. And also in relatiation to the various charges brought on the Trump family as a whole for their multiple frauds. 

Joe might be doing it partially to piss Trump off, and make a huge portion of his early days trying to overturn it.
Anything to distract the big orange man and his cronies from trying to usurp the country.

[PRgal]

16 minutes ago, tearknee said:

You don't have to worry about violence or your male friends turning on you. A son would. A friend's son recently gave up childhood ballet because his so-called friends were calling him "gay".

I have a boy.  And when he was a few months old, my mother put him in one of my baby pieces.  And we also need to make it okay for boys to do ballet in the same way we tell girls it’s fine to like STEM or the trades.  Too bad we haven’t been doing it for boys in the same extent as we have for girls, which would be going on a few decades (at least for the STEM part).  

[tearknee]

14 minutes ago, PRgal said:

I have a boy.  And when he was a few months old, my mother put him in one of my baby pieces.  And we also need to make it okay for boys to do ballet in the same way we tell girls it’s fine to like STEM or the trades.  Too bad we haven’t been doing it for boys in the same extent as we have for girls, which would be going on a few decades (at least for the STEM part).  

We will have equality when we raise our sons the way we raise our daughters.

Don't get me wrong. I was agreeing with you. It's just that because of my ABI and autism i learned the hard way the great variety of physical and sexual pain that people can inflict if you don't please them.

[Calvada]

34 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Joe might be doing it partially to piss Trump off, and make a huge portion of his early days trying to overturn it.
Anything to distract the big orange man and his cronies from trying to usurp the country.

There is no provision under American law to overturn a full and unconditional pardon.  The Constitution would have to be amended.  If there was such a provision, I have to believe Biden would have been urged to overturn many of Trump's pardons.  Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, just to name a few.  Trump can ask state prosecutors to go after Hunter Biden, but he cannot be prosecuted at the federal level for crimes alleged to have been committed from January 1, 2014 to December 1, 2024.  

One thing about a pardon - prior to Trump and his band of crooks, accepting a pardon was viewed as an admission of guilt.  Hunter Biden has admitted he committed the crimes he was charged with; none of the Trump felons did so.  

[tearknee]

1 hour ago, Calvada said:

There is no provision under American law to overturn a full and unconditional pardon.  The Constitution would have to be amended.  If there was such a provision, I have to believe Biden would have been urged to overturn many of Trump's pardons.  Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, just to name a few.  Trump can ask state prosecutors to go after Hunter Biden, but he cannot be prosecuted at the federal level for crimes alleged to have been committed from January 1, 2014 to December 1, 2024.  

One thing about a pardon - prior to Trump and his band of crooks, accepting a pardon was viewed as an admission of guilt.  Hunter Biden has admitted he committed the crimes he was charged with; none of the Trump felons did so.  

Has the ambiguity around self-pardon been solved? I know Tricky Dick would have done so if he could. Trump would.

[anony.miss]

4 hours ago, Bookish Jen said:

Good. Now let all the Trumpers' heads explode.

...nothing tastes as sweet as the moral outrage of people who elected a convicted felon!

Edited December 2 by anony.miss

[Soapy Goddess]

15 hours ago, Makai said:

Serious question, how would that happen? I honestly want to know, because nearly all the experts say Trump’s policies will be really bad for the economy. One thing that frustrates me is that I haven’t seen any Trump supporters truly address how these policies are actually going to be successful. I’d love to find some hope but it feels like it can only come from the idea that he’s not going to do what he says he is going to do. This idea that he apparently has some amazing plan that will make everything better and just hasn’t said it. 

The "experts" aren't always correct. They were either wrong or lying when they claimed that KH was a slam dunk to win. It was reported all over the left news channels, which helped her to pull in lots of money (over a billion). She wound up spending that and STILL owes over 20 million dollars. As one expert said (and I'm paraphrasing), "how could we trust her to spend OUR money wisely if she couldn't even run her campaign properly" (without going into debt). 

I don't know the depth of DJT's policies. All most people care about is that he takes care of our overrun borders and brings back our economy. He has people around him that vow to help with these issues. How that will happen remains to be seen. Speculating the worst only adds to your anger & frustration. Why not give it a wait & see? Even for a couple of months. Because again, we can't trust the news people like Mika & morning Joe, who hated DJT and yet they are now schmoozing in Mar-A-Lago with him. Hypocrite much??

[FilmTVGeek80]

37 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

The "experts" aren't always correct. They were either wrong or lying when they claimed that KH was a slam dunk to win. It was reported all over the left news channels, which helped her to pull in lots of money (over a billion). She wound up spending that and STILL owes over 20 million dollars. As one expert said (and I'm paraphrasing), "how could we trust her to spend OUR money wisely if she couldn't even run her campaign properly" (without going into debt). 

I don't know the depth of DJT's policies. All most people care about is that he takes care of our overrun borders and brings back our economy. He has people around him that vow to help with these issues. How that will happen remains to be seen. Speculating the worst only adds to your anger & frustration. Why not give it a wait & see? Even for a couple of months. Because again, we can't trust the news people like Mika & morning Joe, who hated DJT and yet they are now schmoozing in Mar-A-Lago with him. Hypocrite much??

Of course, experts aren't always correct. Still, I would undoubtedly rely on a consensus of them, who know what they're talking about because of years of study and practical experience, over an idiot who wants to hand over key roles to sex offenders and brainworm hosts. And could you give examples of the "experts" who claimed KH was a slam dunk to win? Almost every poll showed the race as neck and neck. And who does she owe money to? And how can we trust Orange Mussolini to spend our money wisely when the so-called hotshot businessman bankrupted casinos?

He has people around who vow to help him with these issues. And these people are....? Oh, right, people with no expertise who are criminals, just like 45. When it comes to something as crucial as the economy, I think it's essential to have someone leading who has more than "concepts of a plan." It's clear that 45 voters are OK, just waiting and seeing, but I'm not. I can't just sit back and cross my fingers and hope that a sociopathic criminal who was a horrible "leader" the first time around is going to get it right miraculously, especially when his main idea is catastrophically stupid and will do the opposite of helping.

[anony.miss]

2 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I don't know the depth of DJT's policies.

Appreciate you being honest, but any advice to "wait and see" doesn't help those of us who do know the depths of Trump's policies.

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"how could we trust her to spend OUR money wisely if she couldn't even run her campaign properly"(without going into debt). 

When it comes to mismanaging money, Trump's been a deadbeat grifter for decades -  I'll take Harris ensuring every debt she owes is paid vs Trump fucking over every vendor he ever dealt with.

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 Speculating the worst

There's no downside to viewing Trump 2.0 with a realistic eye. If you're right, I win: it's all gravy for me. If I'm right, I'm prepared. Are you?

 

Edited December 2 by anony.miss

[bluegirl147]

4 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Why not give it a wait & see?

He had four years to do the wait & see game.  2017-2020.  Most people had seen enough and voted for Joe Biden in 2020. I don't know why more people voted for him this time. But if they think he is going to make everything all sunshine and roses they are in for a rude awakening.

7 hours ago, anony.miss said:

...nothing tastes as sweet as the moral outrage of people who elected a convicted felon!

It's not just them.  There are Democrats criticizing President Biden for pardoning his son.  And the headlines are ridiculous.  Calling Biden a liar.  Really?  They are going to hold his feet to the fire for this?  They can save their "outrage". They are going to need it when Trump and merry band of miscreants take over in January.

For anyone saying shame on Joe Biden quit acting like you would not have done the same thing. Joe Biden  has lost two children. He could have lost a third if his son Hunter hadn't pulled himself out of addiction.  The fact he has managed to stay clean through all of this is in itself a miracle.  If Harris had been elected I think it would have been 50/50 he pardons him.  But with Trump winning there is no telling what he would have done to Hunter.  I don't think this pardon is so much a forgiveness for crimes committed but a father protecting his son from a very clear and present danger and I know that I would have done the same thing. 

[Enigma X]

6 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

It's not just them.  There are Democrats criticizing President Biden for pardoning his son.  And the headlines are ridiculous.  Calling Biden a liar.  Really?  They are going to hold his feet to the fire for this?  They can save their "outrage". They are going to need it when Trump and merry band of miscreants take over in January.

I think everyone knows by now that I am staunchly anti-Trump and more anti-Republican than many anti-Trump folks in this forum. But I am also fairly critical of the Democratic Party, Biden, and his administration. His pardoning his son is the one thing I said he had better do before leaving office before he even dropped out of the race because Hunter was railroaded for being his son and his persecution goes back to it being about the cruelty, in my opinion.

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, Enigma X said:

But I am also fairly critical of the Democratic Party, Biden, and his administration. His pardoning his son is the one thing I said he had better do before leaving office before he even dropped out of the race because Hunter was railroaded for being his son and his persecution goes back to it being about the cruelty, in my opinion.

Same for me. I wasn't a Biden fan in 2020 but he was the nominee so I voted for him.  He has made some missteps policy wise and he should have dropped out long before he did.  But his pardoning his son was a no brainer.  Show me a parent that would not have.  And let's not lose sight of the fact the crimes he was charged with are rarely ever prosecuted.  I mean it's not like he had 34 convictions against him.  Or charged with starting an insurrection.  Or withholding top secret documents. Or election interference. 

[fastiller]

20 hours ago, Makai said:

 

Serious question, how would that happen? I honestly want to know, because nearly all the experts say Trump’s policies will be really bad for the economy.

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4 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

The "experts" aren't always correct. They were either wrong or lying when they claimed that KH was a slam dunk to win.

 

The experts who were saying Harris would win and the experts who are saying Trumps policies will be really bad for the economy aren't the same people.  The former are pollsters/media types; the latter are economists.

[Ohiopirate02]

46 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

It's not just them.  There are Democrats criticizing President Biden for pardoning his son.  And the headlines are ridiculous.  Calling Biden a liar.  Really?  They are going to hold his feet to the fire for this?  They can save their "outrage". They are going to need it when Trump and merry band of miscreants take over in January.

For anyone saying shame on Joe Biden quit acting like you would not have done the same thing. Joe Biden  has lost two children. He could have lost a third if his son Hunter hadn't pulled himself out of addiction.  The fact he has managed to stay clean through all of this is in itself a miracle.  If Harris had been elected I think it would have been 50/50 he pardons him.  But with Trump winning there is no telling what he would have done to Hunter.  I don't think this pardon is so much a forgiveness for crimes committed but a father protecting his son from a very clear and present danger and I know that I would have done the same thing. 

I am trying to avoid all media talking about this because the Democrats need to have several seats here. I know I have said on here before that the moral high ground is great but not very practical or useful at the moment. The Dems need to learn that they cannot moral high ground themselves out of the situation that has led to a second Trump term. They need to get in the mud and fight.

[bluegirl147]

8 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The Dems need to learn that they cannot moral high ground themselves out of the situation

I think some of them are trying to appeal to voters who aren't Democrats.  Democratic Gov. Polis of Colorado was one who criticized Biden. I think he might be planning a run in 2028.  Something Democratic politicians stubbornly refuse to believe is when you try to appeal to Republicans you end up pissing off your Democratic base.

[Eri]

53 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Something Democratic politicians stubbornly refuse to believe is when you try to appeal to Republicans you end up pissing off your Democratic base.

And this is why they will continue to lose elections. They sit and fight with each other while the Republicans will vote in a 70 million strong bloc every election no matter what. While the Democrats have different views and alignments on the political spectrum, Republicans largely do NOT. Even the least radical conservatives share the same beliefs as the radicals, just expressed more quietly and gently. Until the Dems truly align themselves as a voting bloc, as a coalition, and majorly reform our electoral system, nothing will change.

Edited December 2 by Eri

[peacheslatour]

46 minutes ago, Eri said:

And this is why they will continue to lose elections. They sit and fight with each other while the Republicans will vote in a 70 million strong bloc every election no matter what. While the Democrats have different views and alignments on the political spectrum, Republicans largely do NOT. Even the least radical conservatives share the same beliefs as the radicals, just expressed more quietly and gently. Until the Dems truly align themselves as a voting bloc, as a coalition, and majorly reform our electoral system, nothing will change.

You know what they say - Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.

[Dimity]

Democrats in the US, Liberals here in Canada - same old story.  Always looking for a damn unicorn while the Republicans/Conservatives follow the leader and never mind the mess.

[EtheltoTillie]

I wanted to comment on the Jan. 6 post earlier.  People use extreme denial to support their view.  The same Fox News watching friend says Jan 6 was no big deal, literally scoffs.  When you remind him that people died, he switches to the Fox News talking point:  "What about the George Floyd riots?  They just encouraged everyone to riot."  There is no answer to this type of thinking.  Black rioters bad.  White rioters good.

[Bastet]

 

 

[Lantern7]

"Day of love." Like that day was Woodstock compressed into six hours of chaos.

[anony.miss]

7 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

But with Trump winning there is no telling what he would have done to Hunter. 

Especially with Trump nominating Kash Patel for FBI head three days ago. That was a pretty clear sign Trump intends to go on a vengeance spree, since Patel vowed last year to go after every lawyer, judge, journalist or official Trump perceives as a political enemy. A lot of brave people - of every political stripe - put their safety and lives on the line to tell the truth about Trump's criminality, and I hope President Biden issues a thousand more pardons protecting every last one of them.

 

Edited December 2 by anony.miss

[Bastet]

Just now, anony.miss said:

A lot of brave people - of every political stripe - put their safety and lives on the line to tell the truth about Trump's criminality, and I hope Biden issues a thousand more pardons protecting every last one of them.

Same.  I have no problem with Biden pardoning Hunter following Trump's win, for the reasons he clearly laid out in his letter.  But I will have a problem if he doesn't use his pardon power to protect a lot more people in addition to his son.

[Dimity]

10 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

A lot of brave people - of every political stripe - put their safety and lives on the line to tell the truth about Trump's criminality

And every single person who voted for Trump voted for a vindictive jackass who will spent most of his days in powers hounding people who he has decided are his enemies.  Good job, Trump voters, good job.

[Calvada]

15 hours ago, tearknee said:

Has the ambiguity around self-pardon been solved? I know Tricky Dick would have done so if he could. Trump would.

It's never been done, so the ambiguity remains.  If Trump pardons himself, I assume it would be litigated.  However, who expects the Supreme Court to rule against Trump?  Now if Joe Biden, the notorious head of the "Biden Crime Family" pardoned himself, the Supreme Court would say that was an abuse of power and totally impermissible.

There are some who feel that a blanket pardon, such as this one, might not be legal.  So perhaps they will gin up some charge against Hunter Biden, just to test that through the courts.

6 hours ago, Enigma X said:

I think everyone knows by now that I am staunchly anti-Trump and more anti-Republican than many anti-Trump folks in this forum. But I am also fairly critical of the Democratic Party, Biden, and his administration. His pardoning his son is the one thing I said he had better do before leaving office before he even dropped out of the race because Hunter was railroaded for being his son and his persecution goes back to it being about the cruelty, in my opinion.

This is how I feel - it was persecution.  They would go after Hunter Biden until he was bankrupted by legal fees and incarcerated.  And I think Joe Biden's terrible fear was that it would cost Hunter his sobriety and ultimately his life.

I'm not sure that Jack Smith and his team, along with others that may be targeted by Trump, would accept a pardon.  As I stated above, accepting a pardon is viewed as an admission of guilt.  And they have done NOTHING wrong.  They may feel that accepting a pardon would tarnish their integrity and honor.  If Trump thinks he's going to appoint lackey US Attorneys to go after these people on a lot of baseless charges, the courts should toss the cases and the lawyers should be sanctioned and possibly disbarred.  Read what the Supreme Court said in 1935 in Berger vs. United States -

"The United States Attorney is the representative not of an ordinary party to a controversy, but of a sovereignty whose obligation to govern impartially is as compelling as its obligation to govern at all, and whose interest, therefore, in a criminal prosecution is not that it shall win a case, but that justice shall be done. As such, he is in a peculiar and very definite sense the servant of the law, the two-fold aim of which is that guilt shall not escape or innocence suffer. He may prosecute with earnestness and vigor -- indeed, he should do so. But, while he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones. It is as much his duty to refrain from improper methods calculated to produce a wrongful conviction as it is to use every legitimate means to bring about a just one."

However, even if they don't charge people, they will just investigate them through a corrupt Patel-led FBI and MAGA stooges in Congress, causing them enormous professional and financial difficulties.  If Biden offers pardons to these people, they will have to weigh their innocence against this.  

[Enigma X]

The power that such a criminal man holds over people who were simply doing their jobs (and some not effectively but in his favor) is just maddening!

[anony.miss]

8 minutes ago, Dimity said:

And every single person who voted for Trump voted for a vindictive jackass who will spent most of his days in powers hounding people who he has decided are his enemies.

Reminds me of Trump on the campaign trail awhile back:

“We’re going to win so much, You’re going to get tired of winning! You’re going to say, ‘Please, don’t win so much. This is getting terrible!"

He kept that promise - his winning truly is terrible.

 

[peacheslatour]

14 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

Reminds me of Trump on the campaign trail awhile back:

“We’re going to win so much, You’re going to get tired of winning! You’re going to say, ‘Please, don’t win so much. This is getting terrible!"

He kept that promise - his winning truly is terrible.

 

He also said if his supporters vote for him this one more time, it will be the last time they will ever need to vote. Either because he knows he has one foot in the grave or because he knows we won't be democracy anymore.

[PRgal]

As much as I’d love to take my son to California or Florida, I’m scared to go to the US for the next four years.  I guess I’ll be taking my son to Disney in Europe or Asia! 

Edited December 2 by PRgal

[Ohiopirate02]

32 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

He also said if his supporters vote for him this one more time, it will be the last time they will ever need to vote. Either because he knows he has one foot in the grave or because he knows we won't be democracy anymore.

I interpreted that line by Trump as him being flat out ignorant about term limits and how elections work in the US and him working the grifting spiel. I see him as the type who does not retain information that he thinks has nothing to do with him. Midterm elections and state and local elections did not matter to the DJT giving that speech, so he forgets about them. He won't care about midterms until 2026 when he will stump for his chosen candidates to win over those already in Congress who have displeased him. I do not for one second believe him to be anything but dangerous. I just see a narcissist who is so self-involved that he cannot see the bigger picture.

I also think he is easily swayed by the last person in the room with him like Laura Loomer and Elon. This is why he changes course so frequently on different issues and also why he disavowed Project 2025 on the campaign trail. The people around him on that day did not remind him of the plan or have never bothered to tell him their plan yet (IMHO a strong possibility here).

[peacheslatour]

8 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I interpreted that line by Trump as him being flat out ignorant about term limits and how elections work in the US and him working the grifting spiel. I see him as the type who does not retain information that he thinks has nothing to do with him. Midterm elections and state and local elections did not matter to the DJT giving that speech, so he forgets about them. He won't care about midterms until 2026 when he will stump for his chosen candidates to win over those already in Congress who have displeased him. I do not for one second believe him to be anything but dangerous. I just see a narcissist who is so self-involved that he cannot see the bigger picture.

I also think he is easily swayed by the last person in the room with him like Laura Loomer and Elon. This is why he changes course so frequently on different issues and also why he disavowed Project 2025 on the campaign trail. The people around him on that day did not remind him of the plan or have never bothered to tell him their plan yet (IMHO a strong possibility here).

It's risky for them to say anything that goes against his stated threats and demands. Many of the people who took jobs in his White House were screwed over by him if they took exception to his brilliant proposals, like nuking hurricanes.

[fastiller]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

He also said if his supporters vote for him this one more time, it will be the last time they will ever need to vote. Either because he knows he has one foot in the grave or because he knows we won't be democracy anymore.

Remember this video? (The FB link is the only one I could find. I saw it elsewhere online back in the 45* days.)

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15RgzdwENu/

[Annber03]

15 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I don't know the depth of DJT's policies. All most people care about is that he takes care of our overrun borders and brings back our economy. He has people around him that vow to help with these issues. 

Yes, his cabinet picks thus far have totally shown he's going to have a sterling group of people who'll help him with various problems facing this country. RFK "anti-vaccines" Jr., Dr. "push pseudo-scientific 'cures'" Oz, someone from the world of wrestling, a whole mess of people with sexual assault accusations against them...

Truly an esteemed bunch, mmhm. 

Also, the Democrats and the GOP had a border bill all ready to go. It had things in it that BOTH parties agreed on and they were eager to pass it. 

It didn't pass. And you know why it didn't pass? Because Trump told the GOP not to vote for it, 'cause that would give BIden and the Democrats a win and would rob him of something to run on during the campaign. 

Oh, and let's not forget that wall that Trump kept promising he was totally going to build during his first term in office, y'know, the one that he said Mexico would pay for. Remind me again how that turned out? 

He and the GOP have zero interest in actually doing anything about the border. They will never fix it because if they do, then there goes their main campaign talking point. Better to just run on fearmongering and scaring people about "caravans of immigrants" (funny how those supposed caravans seem to mysteriously disappear after an election passes) or immigrants "swarming our borders" and taking all our jobs and taking people's homes and going on about immigrants being "vermin" who are eating cats and dogs and how they're all totally criminals who are out to target families and blah, blah, blah. 

And if the GOP does go through with thier mass deportation plan, that is going to destroy our economy. Getting rid of immigrants, both those here legaly and those who aren't here legally, is not going to magically bring jobs back, nor is it going to magically make it easier for people who aren't immigrants to get jobs. Immigrants provide a significant benefit to our economy. Getting rid of them is asinine for a whole holst of reasons. 

(We're not even going to get into Trump railing against immiigrants being here illegally despite having benefitted from undocumented immigrant labor himself many times over the years.)

Again, we already saw how he handled our economy and the border last time. He did a shit job at it. Because he doesn't know what he's doing. And now he's going to pick and employ a whole bunch of equally stupid people who also don't have the first clue how to handle this issue. Anyone who legitimately thinks he's going to come in and magically solve our economic woes and border issues is...I'm going to be nice and call them extremely naive, at best. 

[Blergh]

Because I think someone needs to say it on this SubForum:

 

I feel sorry for Karine Jean-Pierre for being needlessly blamed for President Biden having pardoned his son Hunter.

I honestly believe that Miss Jean-Pierre sincerely believed that the President was NOT going to pardon his son all those times she was asked the question before the President opted to do so after all.

I only hope President Biden offered a personal apology to her (along with giving her a 'heads up' ) before he went through with the pardon.

[bluegirl147]

When Trump fails to make things better his base will blame the deep state. 

[Bookish Jen]

1 minute ago, bluegirl147 said:

When Trump fails to make things better his base will blame the deep state. 

Heck, they'll blame Obama's tan suit.

[fastiller]

11 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

He and the GOP have zero interest in actually doing anything about the border. They will never fix it because if they do, then there goes their main campaign talking point. Better to just run on fearmongering....

Much like abortion.  If there actually is immigration reform, it'll be like the dog that caught the car.

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, Bookish Jen said:

Heck, they'll blame Obama's tan suit.

Or his weather machine.

 

In a strange move, a Florida Republican lawmaker has introduced a bill that seeks to ban the government from “controlling” the weather and sunlight. Yes, this is real.

The bill, introduced last week by State Senator Ileana Garcia, specifically targets “weather modification activities,” which it defines as any attempt to alter the weather or sunlight through the release of chemicals, compounds, or other substances into the atmosphere. According to the proposed legislation, such actions would be illegal within the state of Florida.

The bill states that it would be a second-degree misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of up to $10,000, for anyone who tries to influence temperature, weather patterns, or the intensity of sunlight in any way, Newsweek reports. The bill also calls on Florida’s governor to consider steps to manage the “harmful consequences” of emergencies, although it’s unclear how banning weather control would help in such situations.

From the Daily Boulder December, 2 2024.

[Avaleigh]

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

Oh, and let's not forget that wall that Trump kept promising he was totally going to build during his first term in office, y'know, the one that he said Mexico would pay for. Remind me again how that turned out? 

Back when I was still attempting to challenge my mom on the MAGA bs, I asked about this very thing. In a nutshell, she believes Trump's bogus claim that he built nearly 500 miles of border wall as opposed to the 52 miles of new structure that were actually built during his administration. When I asked why Trump's walls don't seem to have made a difference since he's continuing to make this his hot button issue, she just blamed Biden. *sigh* 

A lot of these people are working with "alternative facts" aka stuff and nonsense. Many of them think Trump *did* fulfill his campaign promise here. As for the nonsense about Mexico paying for it...*crickets* They pivot and start talking about something else or claim that Trump was misunderstood. 

[Absolom]

It would be funny if we weren't left with such sad consequences.

[Annber03]

Alongside all the other reasons the wall is a stupid idea, I also continue to be mystified by how people think a wall will stop people crossing the border so long as, y'know, planes and underground tunnels and boats exist. 

Like, even if we had a wall, if people REALLY want to get around it, they will find a way to do so*. People managed to get past the freaking Berlin Wall, for god's sakes, if they can figure out that, they can sure as fuck figure out how to get past a flimsily built wall that Trump and his adminstration "constructed". 

*After all, this is supposedly why we can't ban or restrict guns, right? The argument is always, "Criminals will just find ways to get around those restrictions and bans anyway!" Funny how that kind of thinking never seems to extend to the idea of people getting past a border wall, or women still finding ways to get an abortion, or kids finding ways to read banned books, or so on. 

[Lantern7]

Quick question: are there ANY Republicans that have not bent a knee to him in the past ten years? While I appreciate any opposition within the GOP, it always feels like that seems from negative dealings with him.

[andromeda331]

9 hours ago, Enigma X said:

The power that such a criminal man holds over people who were simply doing their jobs (and some not effectively but in his favor) is just maddening!

And I know Trump and MAGA don't care about this little detail but he was guilty of all the crimes he was charged with. It's not like they went after an innocent man. Nope, not only did he did it all. It's no secret that he committed all the crimes.

3 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Like, even if we had a wall, if people REALLY want to get around it, they will find a way to do so*. People managed to get past the freaking Berlin Wall, for god's sakes, if they can figure out that, they can sure as fuck figure out how to get past a flimsily built wall that Trump and his adminstration "constructed". 

I say this every time the news or someone brings up the stupid wall. Yeah, the Berlin Wall had guard towers, guards with guns, dogs, barbed wire, etc. And people still got passed it. If the Berlin Wall couldn't keep people in no wall can.

1 minute ago, Lantern7 said:

Quick question: are there ANY Republicans that have not bent a knee to him in the past ten years? While I appreciate any opposition within the GOP, it always feels like that seems from negative dealings with him.

The only ones I can think of are Liz Chany and Mitt Romney, look what happened to their careers.

[Lantern7]

3 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

The only ones I can think of are Liz Chany and Mitt Romney, look what happened to their careers.

I think Mitt was on Team Trump for a spell before bailing out.