Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Yeah No]

2 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

Men for the most part still aren't engaged in their childrens' lives. Other than maybe sports stuff.  And apparently any attempt to get them to engage ends us where we are this morning. 

But why are they whining? It's like they get away with whatever they want, and it's still not enough. They're so scared that gay people or women or whatever are going to come for them? FFS we just want an equal shot. 

This reminds me of the comments section to a NYT article that talked about toxic masculinity. Some of the reader comments pointed out how little men do at home when they're paired with a woman. That includes housework, child care and other home-focused responsibilities. They were countered by many commenters claiming that this was outdated and that the younger men are much better than previous ones about this. Unfortunately all the studies and questionnaires done on this beg to differ with that. It's just as bad as it ever was, appearances to the contrary. And yet the men still whine.

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, Bookworm13 said:

Someone pinch me and wake me up from this nightmare. Call it naivety or wishful thinking, but this wasn’t the news I wanted to wake up to on Nov 6. 

I am only surprised by how sad I feel. 

I thought I was prepared. This summer, in the midst of an apolitical conversation, a neighbor asked me if I was “better off 4 years ago” — which (for those who aren't familiar) was a political meme/slogan for the just-ended-race. 
In that moment I was revisited by the feeling of being attacked, so I responded: “I will never vote for a rapist” and turned to walk away. He responded “He never raped anyone; that's a lie” (this was after a judge had said he did just that).

Not until later did it hit me that this neighbor had just told a woman (me) that I was lying about rape. We own condos that are legally in a relationship akin to marriage. I soothed myself with the 99% likely to be false hope that he went back to his home and realized he had just told a woman she was lying about rape, and that he gave it serious thought, and just maybe at least didn't bother to vote at all.

Oh well. I just got a reminder on my phone that I have a video therapy appointment in 2 hours tomorrow morning.

 

Edited November 6 by shapeshifter

[Yeah No]

3 hours ago, Annber03 said:

*Unless you're a straight, white, Christian male, that is. They'll probably make it out relatively unscathed. 

Actually there is plenty of evidence that during Trump's first presidency the very people he promised to help he did not help and in fact the jobs he said he would protect disappeared and their industries went downhill. And yet none of that ever seems to make it to their consciousness. They are unwilling to let the facts get in the way of his lies and empty promises to them.

4 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I am only surprised by how sad I feel. 

I thought I was prepared. This summer, in the midst of an apolitical conversation, a neighbor asked me if I was “better off 4 years ago” — which (for those who aren't familiar) was a political meme/slogan for the just-ended-race. 
In that moment I was revisited by the feeling of being attacked, so I responded: “I will never vote for a rapist” and turned to walk away. He responded “He never raped anyone; that's a lie” (this was after a judge had said he did just that).

The thing is that many people were not better off 4 years ago, my husband and I included. When the pandemic hit many people lost their jobs and livelihoods, that's why we all had to go on pandemic unemployment and take out gov't loans to stay afloat. And who was responsible for that life raft? Certainly not Trump. People have selective amnesia about what really went down. Biden and the Dems. did not get enough credit. And Kamala didn't do enough to bring all that out. I saw more of that from the pundits on TV than from her. Not that it would have helped, though. It seems that a majority of people were more willing to believe a liar than look at the facts.

[PRgal]

24 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

Oh FFS. What a bunch of babies. 

I hate to quote Louis CK but he said something that is so true. 

Men are afraid of women laughing at them, women are afraid men will kill them. 

The laughing part is true.  Some guys don’t want to go into traditionally female careers because they’d think they aren’t a good catch.  And yeah, there ARE women out there who question guys like that.  I was in a parenting group (overwhelmingly moms) where one mom asked whether other parents would be okay sending their kids to a daycare if they found out the teacher/caregiver was a guy.  I went back and asked whether she’d be okay if she needed a plumber and they sent a woman.  

[SeanBug]

22 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Don't forget, we also live in a world were people making less than $80k a year get triggered by the words "tax the rich". And then wonder why governments are offering less social services.

Rationality in many cases may as well be a foreign language.

Because so many people want to believe one day they'll be billionaires too and don't want to start something. 

I appreciate that people are paying more for items that were cheaper during the pandemic. But are they literally that short sighted to not realize that was a situation based on no one going out and buying stuff, travelling, home buying etc?   

And not everything is an issue the government can solve. If your boss is an asshole and won't give you a raise, what exactly do you want the President to do?  Call the boss and tell him to make an exception for you?

If companies price gouge, and the government puts guardrails in place for it, it's government overreach.  You can't have it both ways. The government needs to make everything cheaper for me, and give me money all the time. 

But don't raise taxes or get involved in regulations. 

Taxes enable the government to give you money, and regulations keep companies from poisoning the water, selling food that could be contaminated, gas cheaper, etc. 

You cannot have it both ways. 

[Bookworm13]

@shapeshifter, I’m so sorry you had to go through that. 
 

One thing going through my head this morning is how things would’ve played out if Biden had stayed in the race. 
 

One slightly positive note, today is the first day in about 6 weeks that my phone won’t be on ‘do not disturb’ because I no longer have to worry about 6-10 texts/phone calls daily urging me to vote for a certain candidate(and verging on harassment, IMO).

 

Edit : I’ve just looked at the numbers for my state, one of the battleground states, and if all the people who voted for other candidates had chosen Harris, even in a lesser of two evils way, she would be leading the state right now. Fuck.

Edited November 6 by Bookworm13

[Yeah No]

Just now, SeanBug said:

I appreciate that people are paying more for items that were cheaper during the pandemic. But are they literally that short sighted to not realize that was a situation based on no one going out and buying stuff, travelling, home buying etc?   

And not everything is an issue the government can solve. If your boss is an asshole and won't give you a raise, what exactly do you want the President to do?  Call the boss and tell him to make an exception for you?

Yes, and the rampant inflation as a result of the pandemic was a global phenomenon. You can't blame that on the U.S. president, but these short-sighted people can't see that bigger picture. And guess who helped bring down the inflation rate? Again, another Biden achievement that seems to have been lost in the campaign and not made enough of by Kamala. I think she could have done more to address the misperceptions of the other side. In order to win you have to think about what matters to the people on the other side and address their concerns. I don't think she did that enough and that's why I knew this would happen.

[nokat]

I've kind of refused to believe that people are so homophobic, misogynistic, and bigoted in general to vote orangalini in. And here it is.

[Browncoat]

I am depressed.

[shapeshifter]

30 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

It seems that a majority of people were more willing to believe a liar than look at the facts.

People who have believed a liar's promises — especially when the person is in a position of power, whether political, familial, or otherwise — are often unwilling or unable to admit they were foolish enough to follow the lie.
And people are often willing to make excuses for the failings of someone they love, respect, adore, or worship.

Even after being forewarned by the wife of my new landlord that “He wants to talk to you, but he doesn't know what he's talking about,” I was shocked in 2015 the first time I heard someone list a number of W's mistakes and attribute them to Obama. Of course I said nothing and signed the lease on the place I would call home for the next 5 years. But I still remember the shock, and I was already in my 60s.

About a year or so later we first heard on national news the term "alternative facts," and again I was in shock. It's one thing if a disabled grandpa landlord gets stuff mixed up, but…wow. 

And now we have entered Bizarro World.

Since it appears those who have drunk the Kool Aid are now running all branches of government in this country, I first want to assume they will realize they have only themselves to blame if we wake up in a post-apocalyptic doomsday world. 
But I guess I've learned better than to expect logic from my fellow humans.

[Yeah No]

1 minute ago, shapeshifter said:

Since it appears those who have drunk the Kool Aid are now running all branches of government in this country, I first want to assume they will realize they have only themselves to blame if we wake up in a post-apocalyptic doomsday world. 
But I guess I've learned better than to expect logic from my fellow humans.

I feel like I've already woken up in a post-apocalyptic doomsday world. I hate to say that I almost wish for things to go poorly for him so that maybe these people will wake up when he's jumping into his spaceship while the world crashes and burns thanks to him. I said almost. I don't really want that but I do want some kind of consequences for him to wake people up and not the kind of apocalypse that took down the entire world like in WWII. And even THEN there were people that refused to blame Hitler for any of that! My father knew a couple of German immigrants that STILL pledged allegiance to Hitler! Mind boggling and repugnant to us, but sadly the case. 🙁

[Makai]

Well, this is depressing. What is really bothering me at the moment (besides the obvious) is how much of what I hear from people is just flat out untrue. I feel like the majority of people are voting on vibes. Trump successfully created a perception that mattered more than the facts. Trump is perceived to be better on the economy while economists are saying his plan will hurt the economy and increase inflation. Lather, rinse, repeat on every major issue. 😔 

1 hour ago, SeanBug said:

Oh FFS. What a bunch of babies. 

I hate to quote Louis CK but he said something that is so true. 

Men are afraid of women laughing at them, women are afraid men will kill them. 

If it makes you feel better, that quote is generally attributed to Margaret Atwood although her version was longer. No one knows who first used the more succinct version but it’s wasn’t Louis C.K.

[DrSpaceman73]

Was a real nice country we had once. 

 

RIP america. 

1 minute ago, Makai said:

Well, this is depressing. What is really bothering me at the moment (besides the obvious) is how much of what I hear from people is just flat out untrue. I feel like the majority of people are voting on vibes. Trump successfully created a perception that mattered more than the facts. Trump is perceived to be better on the economy while economists are saying his plan will hurt the economy and increase inflation. Lather, rinse, repeat on every major issue. 😔 

If it makes you feel better, that quote is generally attributed to Margaret Atwood although her version was longer. No one knows who first used the more succinct version but it’s wasn’t Louis C.K.

This is exactly the disturbing part of it all.  People no longer care about facts.  They just want someone to support their preconceived reality.  

 

We are entering so.e combination of idiocracy and the handmaid's tale. 

[emma675]

I'm heartbroken. I truly didn't want to believe this country hated women, but I can't deny it now. I pray we survive the next four years and beyond with some semblance of our country, but I just don't know anymore. 

I'm really just tired.

[Palimelon]

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I hate to say that I almost wish for things to go poorly for him so that maybe these people will wake up when he's jumping into his spaceship while the world crashes and burns thanks to him

They'll probably still be blaming the immigrants and the queers and non-White folk and the women for that. And also for why there isn't room for them on the spaceship ("A DEI hire took my spot!").

Edited November 6 by Palimelon

[PRgal]

2 hours ago, Yeah No said:

This reminds me of the comments section to a NYT article that talked about toxic masculinity. Some of the reader comments pointed out how little men do at home when they're paired with a woman. That includes housework, child care and other home-focused responsibilities. They were countered by many commenters claiming that this was outdated and that the younger men are much better than previous ones about this. Unfortunately all the studies and questionnaires done on this beg to differ with that. It's just as bad as it ever was, appearances to the contrary. And yet the men still whine.

And pair that with the fact that we're not encouraging boys to speak their minds like girls, fearing toxic masculinity.  In many cases, we've gotten to the point of gaslighting boys.  This causes them to withdraw and form groups where they can just rant about these issues.  It only leads to toxic masculinity.

I fear for the global economy with this presidency and it's not just because I'm an outsider.  All the tariffs would just lead to things becoming more expensive, and YES, including less affordable groceries.  Everywhere.  Those of us who invest in the stock market and/or crypto might be celebrating today, but it's not going to last.  Enjoy it while you can.

[Yeah No]

4 minutes ago, PRgal said:

And pair that with the fact that we're not encouraging boys to speak their minds like girls, fearing toxic masculinity.  In many cases, we've gotten to the point of gaslighting boys.  This causes them to withdraw and form groups where they can just rant about these issues.  It only leads to toxic masculinity.

I fear for the global economy with this presidency and it's not just because I'm an outsider.  All the tariffs would just lead to things becoming more expensive, and YES, including less affordable groceries.  Everywhere.  Those of us who invest in the stock market and/or crypto might be celebrating today, but it's not going to last.  Enjoy it while you can.

I think exactly the same way, unfortunately. My husband agrees with me, thankfully. He can't believe what is happening with men, especially the younger men today. What you're saying about forming the groups online where they air grievances and form a victim support group mentality only feeds into the message of the next president. I was hoping women would come out in force to vote because many of us were mad and revolted at the idea of this man becoming president again, but unfortunately many of them either didn't understand the gravity of the situation or were a part of supporting the problem themselves. I don't get it but I have always known that misogyny is not confined to men.

And yes to the affect on the global economy. This guy is called by some comedians as "the luckiest bastard in the world" because he somehow got away with what he did but didn't get blamed for it by his supporters. At this point I don't know what would stick. He's a "teflon don" for sure. Unfortunately some of what happens with the stock market is perception, though. Many finance types support Trump and are more optimistic about spending money and starting businesses if he's president so that may actually improve the stock market - BUT as you say, for a while, but it won't last. Unfortunately the real affects won't be felt until the next person is president and then THEY'LL get blamed for it not him! 😏

[Palimelon]

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Unfortunately some of what happens with the stock market is perception, though

And like GDP per capita, it isn't the best metric to use to show how healthy an economy is to begin with. But for many people it is, unfortunately.

[khyber]

3 hours ago, Yeah No said:

This reminds me of the comments section to a NYT article that talked about toxic masculinity. Some of the reader comments pointed out how little men do at home when they're paired with a woman. That includes housework, child care and other home-focused responsibilities. They were countered by many commenters claiming that this was outdated and that the younger men are much better than previous ones about this. Unfortunately all the studies and questionnaires done on this beg to differ with that. It's just as bad as it ever was, appearances to the contrary. And yet the men still whine.

I'm old, if I were a young woman I wouldn't pair up with a  man. 

[Anela]

2 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Actually there is plenty of evidence that during Trump's first presidency the very people he promised to help he did not help and in fact the jobs he said he would protect disappeared and their industries went downhill. And yet none of that ever seems to make it to their consciousness. They are unwilling to let the facts get in the way of his lies and empty promises to them.

The thing is that many people were not better off 4 years ago, my husband and I included. When the pandemic hit many people lost their jobs and livelihoods, that's why we all had to go on pandemic unemployment and take out gov't loans to stay afloat. And who was responsible for that life raft? Certainly not Trump. People have selective amnesia about what really went down. Biden and the Dems. did not get enough credit. And Kamala didn't do enough to bring all that out. I saw more of that from the pundits on TV than from her. Not that it would have helped, though. It seems that a majority of people were more willing to believe a liar than look at the facts.

We were only better off, because dad was doing okay, since he delivered packages, and everyone that could afford to, was ordering whatever they could, because of Covid.  I was terrified that he would catch it. But he got the mail bag route, and had that for three years.  
the company he works for, is the reason we’re struggling now.  They lost a lot of contracts. 

I can’t sleep. I think I napped a little, but damn. 

[kittykat]

I am just so disappointed and angry and a little bit not surprised.  People sold out women based on a false promise that they'll get cheaper groceries.

[bluegirl147]

18 minutes ago, khyber said:

I'm old, if I were a young woman I wouldn't pair up with a  man. 

I did online dating and once Trump ran for office my dating pretty much stopped.  Before Trump men wouldn't let you know their politics in their profiles. After Trump they were posting pics of themselves in MAGA hats.  And that was it for me.

1 hour ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

This is exactly the disturbing part of it all.  People no longer care about facts.  They just want someone to support their preconceived reality.  

Yes they would rather be told lies that make them feel better instead of the truth that helps them live better.

2 minutes ago, kittykat said:

I am just so disappointed and angry and a little bit not surprised.  People sold out women based on a false promise that they'll get cheaper groceries.

And that all the people they hate will be dealt with. That was a big draw for a lot of them.

[SeanBug]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

And pair that with the fact that we're not encouraging boys to speak their minds like girls, fearing toxic masculinity.  In many cases, we've gotten to the point of gaslighting boys.  This causes them to withdraw and form groups where they can just rant about these issues.  It only leads to toxic masculinity.

Who is telling boys they can't speak their minds? I'm not around young children, so I don't know how this is happening.  If they think speaking their mind is calling people names and bullying, then yeah they can't do that. 

I keep hearing from conservative pundits about how young men and boys are killing themselves because they're so depressed that they are always being attacked.  But I don't hear any news reports on this so called phenomenon. 

Women and minorities are being targeted and losing their rights, but men can't say whatever they want whenever they want and they're the victims? 

I call bullshit. 

[Ohiopirate02]

51 minutes ago, khyber said:

I'm old, if I were a young woman I wouldn't pair up with a  man. 

I'm in my mid 40s and single with no kids. There are times when I do regret the choices I made that led me to this, but not really. I woke up this morning feeling relief and content (and a few other things I am working through) that I never married nor had any daughters. I am also grieving for the world my niece and all of the other girls I know will now grow up in.

[bluegirl147]

6 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

Women and minorities are being targeted and losing their rights, but men can't say whatever they want whenever they want and they're the victims? 

Yep. I used to work with a guy who thought he was the biggest victim.  Why did he think that? Because he couldn't spew the garbage he wanted to spew.  His intolerance wouldn't be tolerated so he of course thought he was a victim.

[Makai]

3 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'm in my mid 40s and single with no kids. There are times when I do regret the choices I made that led me to this, but not really. I woke up this morning feeling relief and content (and a few other things I am working through) that I never married nor had any daughters. I am also grieving for the world my niece and all of the other girls I know will now grow up in.

Ditto. 

[Palimelon]

Well, Biden, as a non-candidate did get sweeping immunity from the Supreme Court, let's hope he uses his last 2 months to do what he can to impede Trump's agenda. The majority of Americans have voted that they don't seem to care about human decency as a qualification for being president, and they seem to like an authoritarian stle-figure...so give them what they want, Joe.

Edited November 6 by Palimelon

[bluegirl147]

9 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I am also grieving for the world my niece and all of the other girls I know will now grow up in.

There is a woman who works on TV and she said on a podcast that when Roe was repealed she thought it was OK because states would do the right thing (meaning keep it legal).  I don't know where she has been for the past 30 years but that is what she said.  Her reason it should be a state's issues is because not all states are the same. She used Texas and NY as examples. She now realizes she was mistaken.  We are now looking at a very real possibility not only will it not be a state's issue but it won't be anyone's issue except for the politicians who think they should have the right to decide what women do with their bodies.  I really wanted a better world for my granddaughters.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I'm just...numb. I naively, honestly thought we would have a different outcome.

I am SO SCREWED.

[SeanBug]

7 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Yep. I used to work with a guy who thought he was the biggest victim.  Why did he think that? Because he couldn't spew the garbage he wanted to spew.  His intolerance wouldn't be tolerated so he of course thought he was a victim.

This is what the conservative pundits won't say or say in a way that is deceptive. 

"Men have to be woke or they are attacked".  Wrong. If you're being an a**hole, it won't be tolerated. You don't have to declare your pronouns or go to a drag bar. You can do what you want as long as you don't diminish other people. 

If you don't understand an issue regarding women, transgender people, minorities etc., educate yourself. Don't just chalk it up to a bunch of whiny people who want to limit your speech.  There are things in life that at some time or another we won't understand at first. It's not a personal attack. No one is taking your freedom (or your balls) if they want you to use a different pronoun. it's just a word, not the end of the world. 

[kittykat]

I don't want to keep raining on the parade but I'm looking popular vote numbers from now and 2020 and by my count there 15 million people who didn't vote that did in 2020.  FIFTEEN MILLION!  I'm angry at Trump and Trump voters don't get me wrong but this is the blood boiler.

[Palimelon]

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Yep. I used to work with a guy who thought he was the biggest victim.  Why did he think that? Because he couldn't spew the garbage he wanted to spew.  His intolerance wouldn't be tolerated so he of course thought he was a victim.

"Dammit, why can't I say the n-word in public when I want to?!?!"

[SeanBug]

1 minute ago, Palimelon said:

Well, Biden, as a non-candidate did get sweeping immunity from the Supreme Court, let's hope he uses his last 2 months to do what he can to impede Trump's agenda. The majority of Americans have voted that they don't seem to care about human decency as a qualification for being president, and they seem to like an authoritarian stle-figure...so give them what they want, Joe.

So he could do this "eliminate political opponents with no repercussion" thing. 

 

[Palimelon]

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by my count there 15 million people who didn't vote that did in 2020.  FIFTEEN MILLION!

All those illegal immigrants voted for Trump!

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, SeanBug said:

So he could do this "eliminate political opponents with no repercussion" thing. 

 

I'm willing to settle for him forgiving my student loans.

[SeanBug]

2 minutes ago, kittykat said:

I don't want to keep raining on the parade but I'm looking popular vote numbers from now and 2020 and by my count there 15 million people who didn't vote that did in 2020.  FIFTEEN MILLION!  I'm angry at Trump and Trump voters don't get me wrong but this is the blood boiler.

And that new young voters broke for Trump.  Men and women.  I guess they think this is a joke or just some weird stuff they saw on TikTok and not a big deal. 

So kids, let us know how you feel when we pull aid from Ukraine. You're mad about Gaza? Wait til Bibi's best friend gets back in the Oval. 

Or when those tariffs he promises make your video games, cars, etc. more expensive.  Hope you enjoy living in Mom's basement. You wanted a house? You'll be in a van down by the river with Trump's economic policies. 

6 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'm willing to settle for him forgiving my student loans.

Well he's been trying but the courts keep blocking it. 

[Anela]

24 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'm in my mid 40s and single with no kids. There are times when I do regret the choices I made that led me to this, but not really. I woke up this morning feeling relief and content (and a few other things I am working through) that I never married nor had any daughters. I am also grieving for the world my niece and all of the other girls I know will now grow up in.

Same. 

[Barbarblacksheep]

@SeanBug thank you, I am sick and tired of Boomers getting the blame for this shit. Yes, there are many...TOO MANY...who have an antiquated mindset and cling to their "good old days" fantasies, but many also remember the ideals of the 60s, and believe in justice and personal ethics. The marchers we saw in Charlottesville were mostly young people. The average age of the Capitol rioters was 41 y.o. (ok, not 'new young voters' but a long way from being Boomers).Don't think that when "Boomers die off our problems will be solved". Lemme tell you, we had the same attitude in the 60s, this has been going on for a long time and unfortunately it seems like there's really not an end in sight. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but...

[bluegirl147]

14 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

This is what the conservative pundits won't say or say in a way that is deceptive. 

It's not just conservative pundits but the media overall.  They have normalized hate and ignorance.

18 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

"Dammit, why can't I say the n-word in public when I want to?!?!"

The View viewers will remember a former blond cohost who came close to a meltdown about this.

 

15 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

And that new young voters broke for Trump.  Men and women.  I guess they think this is a joke or just some weird stuff they saw on TikTok and not a big deal. 

They will learn the hard way.  Unfortunately the rest of us will have to suffer too.

17 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

So kids, let us know how you feel when we pull aid from Ukraine. You're mad about Gaza? Wait til Bibi's best friend gets back in the Oval.

But do they really care?  If they did they should have listened to people who know a lot better than them.

 

3 minutes ago, Barbarblacksheep said:

.Don't think that when "Boomers die off our problems will be solved"

I'm Gen X and I keep saying when we are gone things are going to get really bad.

 

[ebk57]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

It's not just conservative pundits but the media overall.

This is the thing not enough people are focusing on.  Blaming the voter demographics and all the rest of it and ignoring how the media covered this election - or didn't cover it.  Trump makes them money and that's all they seem to care about.  We'll see how that works out for them.

[ABay]

4 hours ago, SeanBug said:

Because so many people want to believe one day they'll be billionaires too and don't want to start something.

1776 is still depressingly true: Most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor and that is why they will follow us to the right, ever to the right

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, ebk57 said:

This is the thing not enough people are focusing on.  Blaming the voter demographics and all the rest of it and ignoring how the media covered this election - or didn't cover it.  Trump makes them money and that's all they seem to care about.  We'll see how that works out for them.

I don't think any of the top executives at NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. are all that worried about Trump 2.0. Neither are their anchors. All of them make enough money that the rules won't apply to them. That is what rankles the most when it comes to abortion bans or making birth control illegal--the rich will always be able to afford the care they need.

[bluegirl147]

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Neither are their anchors.

I was watching ABC and NBC last night and I know it's their job but they were just reporting things and going over all the data (God so much data) and I thought this is just another day at the office for you guys.  

[heatherchandler]

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

If she did, the majority missed it.

I prefer to take a "wait & see" attitude.

She totally failed at putting out her message.  She was a prosecutor so we know she can put a thought into words but during every interview she appeared very scattered.

I think she was advised to be vague about certain things in order to appeal to more groups but that was bad advice.  It made her look uncertain and non-knowledgeable.

Edited November 6 by heatherchandler

[Spartan Girl]

10 hours ago, Annber03 said:

 

Hope you're happy, people who decided to be all precious with your votes or who felt this guy deserved another chance after the hell he's put us through. I'm just so out of sympathiy and fucks to give at this point. I don't understand how the hell this is happening. 

This. A friend of mine did this—and I think I’m pretty much done with them.

Is there a way out of this? This can’t be it.

[SeanBug]

39 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

"Dammit, why can't I say the n-word in public when I want to?!?!"

Men, you can say whatever you want, you will just face consequences. 

Like the rest of us.  You don't get a free pass because you have a penis.

[Makai]

25 minutes ago, kittykat said:

I don't want to keep raining on the parade but I'm looking popular vote numbers from now and 2020 and by my count there 15 million people who didn't vote that did in 2020.  FIFTEEN MILLION!  I'm angry at Trump and Trump voters don't get me wrong but this is the blood boiler.

I saw an article this morning that independents turned out in massive numbers. They tied republicans with 34% of the vote and democrats were slightly behind at 32%. In 2020, independents were 26% of the vote so they were the deciding factor. 

29 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

Or when those tariffs he promises make your video games, cars, etc. more expensive.  Hope you enjoy living in Mom's basement. You wanted a house? You'll be in a van down by the river with Trump's economic policies. 

Exactly. The level of ignorance on how the economy really works is astounding. People barely making ends meet are voting like they are billionaires, completely ignorant to the reality that they are voting against the very thing they want most. Mass deportation is going to hurt the supply chain across the board. Tariffs are going to increase inflation. Trump’s tax plan is going to give money to the richest people and corporations who are going to hoard it like Scrooge.

[SeanBug]

2 minutes ago, Makai said:

I saw an article this morning that independents turned out in massive numbers. They tied republicans with 34% of the vote and democrats were slightly behind at 32%. In 2020, independents were 26% of the vote so they were the deciding factor. 

Exactly. The level of ignorance on how the economy really works is astounding. People barely making ends meet are voting like they are billionaires, completely ignorant to the reality that they are voting against the very thing they want most. Mass deportation is going to hurt the supply chain across the board. Tariffs are going to increase inflation. Trump’s tax plan is going to give money to the richest people and corporations who are going to hoard it like Scrooge.

The thing is, it's not like we're asking people to become experts in quantum physics, or figure out how to cure cancer. Economics is pretty basic. And the facts and historic record of what happened during the pandemic and after are right there for anyone who knows how to use Google to read and learn. FFS I barely got thru Sophomore geometry. Donnie will tank the economy and Dems will get to come in and save everyone.....again. 

[bluegirl147]

3 minutes ago, Makai said:

The level of ignorance on how the economy really works is astounding.

Also that he will wave a magic wand and inflation will disappear.

3 minutes ago, Makai said:

Mass deportation is going to hurt the supply chain across the board.

You mean Trump voters won't be lining up to do all those jobs they said were being stolen from them?

4 minutes ago, Makai said:

Trump’s tax plan is going to give money to the richest people and corporations who are going to hoard it like Scrooge.

They think it will trickle down to them.  As if that has ever happened.

Just now, SeanBug said:

Dems will get to come in and save everyone.....again. 

We  hope but honestly at this point I don't know if that would even help. There is a darkness that didn't used to be here and it's not going away easily.

 

[lookeyloo]

56 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Well, Biden, as a non-candidate did get sweeping immunity from the Supreme Court, let's hope he uses his last 2 months to do what he can to impede Trump's agenda. The majority of Americans have voted that they don't seem to care about human decency as a qualification for being president, and they seem to like an authoritarian stle-figure...so give them what they want, Joe.

I thought so too, but the other day heard J. Michael Luttig, a well known conservative former judge, and he said that case of immunity applied specifically to DJT. Does anyone know if that is true?