S18.E17: Unfinished Business

[tranquilidade]

Tamra has been gunning for Jeen and using her as punching bag since Jen came on the show.  They replayed the clip where she ridicules the fake designer bags she carries to make the point.  Tamara never had a friendship with Jenn but Jenn was too naive to notice.  I now think  Tamra is jealous of her because Jenn is attractive and seems to survive no matter what bad decisions she makes or what trouble she gets into.  

[amarante]

4 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Isn't that the same mortgage that Slade Slimey worked for?  I know that Jo mentioned she and Ryan worked together, and if I recall correctly, Slade either got Jo a job there, or they met at work?  

Ryan can claim all he wants that he wasn't involved in anything.  If he got immunity, wouldn't he have testified to something big enough that would give him immunity?  So, to me, he has "unclean hands" - he may have not been directly involved, but he was aware and perhaps assisted in the fraud and money laundering in some way.

 

 

Slade worked in the mortgage business and was definitely involved in the shady financing of that time but I don't know if he worked for Countrywide or another of the sleazy companies. 

Jo said she worked with Ryan and I don't know if Jo worked with Slade or just in the same business.

 

[Mr. Miner]

Andy asked Ryan if he ever hooked up with Jo. He said no, Jenn blurted out SURPRISE!

[RealHousewife]

4 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

Tamra has been gunning for Jeen and using her as punching bag since Jen came on the show.  They replayed the clip where she ridicules the fake designer bags she carries to make the point.  Tamara never had a friendship with Jenn but Jenn was too naive to notice.  I now think  Tamra is jealous of her because Jenn is attractive and seems to survive no matter what bad decisions she makes or what trouble she gets into.  

Tamra seemed to enjoy throwing it in Jennifer's face last season that Ryan "wanted to f*** her."  It was so gross. 

[Starlight925]

Was Ryan given immunity in exchange for giving enough information on his “best friend” to put him away for 18 years while Ryan walks free?

[Slakkie]

8 hours ago, Starlight925 said:

Was Ryan given immunity in exchange for giving enough information on his “best friend” to put him away for 18 years while Ryan walks free?

If the Feds offer you a deal you take it.  They almost always get a conviction and I am sure his friend Matt has absolutely zero issue that he got immunity.

Tamra and Heather would literally turn on anyone too.  Always easy to act all tough until the Feds are at your door.

[sassi214]

I see now why Tamra's daughter agreed to film with her. She is an aspiring music producer/performer. This whole season I couldn't figure out why she was there, her mood, her demeanor, was always like eyerolly and "get me outta here". Now it makes sense. She needed exposure. Meh. 

 

I will always bat for Shannon, I can't help myself. I know she is an absolute MESS, but I find it annoyingly endearing. I hope she finds health and happiness. 

Tamra is a snake and always has been. I don't think she has ever been selfless or genuine. She yells so much and is rude, mean and punches below the belt. 

I struggle with Heather because while I appreciate her relationships and support of her kids, I find her tone to be exhausting. I think over the years the money keeps her wildly out of touch and judgmental. I don't think she's real. And that sucks because years and years ago there was a cast trip and everyone else got all made up with impractical attire and she was dressed down and casual and it struck me that she wasn't about to put on for the cameras. But here we are now and I think that is all she does. Also her obsession with thinness has cost her her youthful appearance. 

Gina's nose in her one talking head (the red/orange dress) looks THIN. Like really distractingly thin. Bad contouring? 

I love Emily. She too, like Shannon, is quite a mess. But I think that's fun. I just really love her big personality and I love that she gives Alexis SHIT. I've never enjoyed Alexis on the OC. I think she is so fake and so performative. Bleh. 

I find Jenn to be sad. I'm rooting for her, but I think she is just meek and sad. I hope things improve. 

I don't mind Katie much. Her "proof" about the Heather paparazzi photos was unimpressive. But I like her trying to go toe to toe with Heather. I hope she keeps it up. 

The thing that drives me crazy is her kid's name. BANDON? IDGI

 

[JAYJAY1979]

18 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

I don’t think Katie’s son was coached but parents who don’t censor themselves would be amazed at what kids hear when parents are talking and especially on the phone.  My Mom taught first grade and she used to talk about all the private family convos kids would talk about during show and tell, lol.   

Katie's reaction when her son said that tells me it wasn't coached.  

1 hour ago, sassi214 said:

I see now why Tamra's daughter agreed to film with her. She is an aspiring music producer/performer. This whole season I couldn't figure out why she was there, her mood, her demeanor, was always like eyerolly and "get me outta here". Now it makes sense. She needed exposure. Meh. 

 

I will always bat for Shannon, I can't help myself. I know she is an absolute MESS, but I find it annoyingly endearing. I hope she finds health and happiness. 

Tamra is a snake and always has been. I don't think she has ever been selfless or genuine. She yells so much and is rude, mean and punches below the belt. 

I struggle with Heather because while I appreciate her relationships and support of her kids, I find her tone to be exhausting. I think over the years the money keeps her wildly out of touch and judgmental. I don't think she's real. And that sucks because years and years ago there was a cast trip and everyone else got all made up with impractical attire and she was dressed down and casual and it struck me that she wasn't about to put on for the cameras. But here we are now and I think that is all she does. Also her obsession with thinness has cost her her youthful appearance. 

Gina's nose in her one talking head (the red/orange dress) looks THIN. Like really distractingly thin. Bad contouring? 

I love Emily. She too, like Shannon, is quite a mess. But I think that's fun. I just really love her big personality and I love that she gives Alexis SHIT. I've never enjoyed Alexis on the OC. I think she is so fake and so performative. Bleh. 

I find Jenn to be sad. I'm rooting for her, but I think she is just meek and sad. I hope things improve. 

I don't mind Katie much. Her "proof" about the Heather paparazzi photos was unimpressive. But I like her trying to go toe to toe with Heather. I hope she keeps it up. 

The thing that drives me crazy is her kid's name. BANDON? IDGI

 

I remember Tamra's younger daughter wanting to be on...but both Simon and the court said no.  So I knew once she hit 18, she would appear.

Heather is a typical East Coast snob...meeting her mother explains it all...and her eldest daughter Max is just like her mom and grandma.

Katie seems to have an interesting backstory...I wish the show would pull back on all the mean girl BS

[FozzyBear]

18 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I totally forgot to post about Jenn's ring.  I don't think it is real, but real or fake it is one ugly ring. 

I HATED the ring! I agree that real or fake the design was cheap looking. It didn’t look expensive to me, it looked like something you’d get at a low end jewelry store.

[OlderThanDirt]

The whole paparazzi at Disneyland is so stupid. Disney has their own photographers on site so an outside photographer wouldn't get a discount entry and why would they pay to get a photo of the Debrows.  More likely they posed for a Disney camera and Heather had her assistant arrange for publication. That way she can swear she never called the paparazzi. But who cares really.

Without a house to focus on she has no storyline this year. All she has is Katie or hanging with Tamara for screentime.

Re Katie's son's name, there's a good golf course at Bandon ,Oregon. Maybe thats where he was conceived?

[Cosmocrush]

21 minutes ago, OlderThanDirt said:

Without a house to focus on she [Heather] has no storyline this year.

Good point!  Her main storylines have always revolved around her ridiculous ostentatious houses.  

[FozzyBear]

It cracked me up how everyone was so quick to believe Ryan was 💯 guilty. I think they all like Jenn and tried to like Ryan for her sake but man…once the story broke they were all like “yup. Guilty as sin. Total dirt bag.”

I had a solid 3 or 4 episodes of not hating Shannon. That’s a good run for me, but we’re back baby! Good god she is the worst kind of emotional vampire. Every time she’s either a) not getting enough attention or b) being held accountable for her own actions the tears and the hysterical flailing start. She’s not done with anything. That woman loves drama more than Shakespeare.

I can’t stand Alexis or Johnny J either. This is one of those arguments where I think everyone is actually right and everyone is a terrible person. I think John is a user. I think Shannon has been getting drunk and accusing him of all manner of shit for years. I think Alexis loves rubbing her relationship in Shannon’s face. I think the $75 was a loan and Shannon knew it. I think John was a fool to loan her money. They are all messy assholes.

 

[JMO]

Still rooting for Shannon at the end of the season, and still hoping for her to realize that the only person who can bring her fulfillment is herself.  She seems fun to know and, to my eye, even a lot of her drama is self-deprecating and more than a little bit funny.

Although it sounds like some find her storyline more boring, for me that's part of what makes Gina more relatable.  She's neither wealthy nor faux-wealthy, she has real life problems to deal with, and she handles them with as much humor as she can muster.  She seems pretty low-maintenance in the friendship department, and I wouldn't mind including her into my circle.

Emily is a mix.  She's going to need to curb the liquor, not only for her health, but because she passes quickly through the funny stage and into the mean, and the mean seems to stick around even when she's sober.  Still, I like her friendship with Gina, which is the only genuine one on screen.  Re: the babysitter thing---Emily does not have an 'inside' voice.  Of course her kids have heard her talk about Heather.  Who, in fact, can be mean.

Heather.  I don't think I've ever heard her curse as much as she has this season, and I'm not sure why it happened.  Generally, I tend to overlook her snobbery and focus on her attempts to maintain order among the rest, but we didn't see as much of that this year.  Maybe it was the manufactured feud with Katie.  

Katie.  I just don't know about her.  At times she seems innocuous, but too often there have been hints that she's good at stirring the pot, and she doesn't mind upsetting people. I just don't trust her yet.

Tamra remains her own worst enemy, as she does her damnedest to be everyone else's worst enemy as well.  Just not attractive, and in contrast to the others, there are no redeeming factors.  Past time to go.

Jenn.  Sweet, pathetic, dependent Jenn. It's awful that there are so many children involved in this mess.  Ryan gives off Brooks vibes.

Alexis and Johnny J are too unskilled in hiding their manipulativeness.  Vicki was fine in small doses.  It was good to see Jo again, and she is living proof that there can be fulfilling life after RHOC.  

[SweetieDarling]

On 11/1/2024 at 2:32 PM, UsernameFatigue said:

Not only her son, but her daughter. Big parenting fail on Katie's part. Most babysitters would ask 8 year old kids about school, their favourite games, etc. NOT about their mother's friends. Katie is the common denominator in both of her kids' conversations, and it is not a good look.

RIght? I don't recall babysitters ever asking if I knew any neighborhood or church gossip as a kid. Katie's daughter had to have brought up Heather's meanness. Generally, 9 year old boys are not invested in catty woman drama. Unless Emily went on a particularly harsh rant about Heather involving "bad words", burping, farting and possibly leftover food that was spared or picked up off the floor after the fight, they probably don't care -and even then might not know her name -"the lady from the fight with the chocolate cake"

Emily doesn't involve her kids on the show like they're cast members (Annabelle's audition episode aside) like some HWs

I call shenanigans

Edited November 3 by SweetieDarling

[njbchlover]

23 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Good point!  Her main storylines have always revolved around her ridiculous ostentatious houses.  

Or, a ridiculous overblown, episodes-long hissy fit because of a partially eaten cake bow!!  🤣

I find Heather to be pretentious and ostentatious, and also, unapologetically conceited.  She is her own version of a self-appointed queen of all that is supposedly upper-class, and, at least to me, she looks down on ALL the other women, and treats them as they are beneath her.  Because of her wealth and super self-assured personality, the other women either tolerated her in silence or buddied up to her to garner her favor and shine in a small part of her self-appointed spotlight.

Heather's self-assuredness faltered a bit this season because Katie decided to come for her from day one, and the other women were not defending Heather against Katie.  Her crown slipped a bit, and I don't think she quite knew how to deal with it, so that's why we saw her seeming out of sorts and testy at times.

Having said all that, I'm not quite sure how I feel about Katie - I think she has the makings of a true RH mean girl - I guess time will tell.  

 

Edited November 3 by njbchlover

[bravofan27]

I watched the meta documentary or expose on the real housewives on Vice, and it really helped me understand the show. The first OC season was really a pilot, and Andy saw potential and took over the creative direction. He wanted it to be a reality SOAP OPERA. So, here, in this model, it's all about drama between relationships. The stronger the relationship, and the harder the faller out, the better, the more painful and heartbreaking the better. I think that's why Tamra was cast on the show-- she creates these relationships with women where they almost idolozie her, and she love bombs them, and then she turns on them for the slightest fault. It's like all the drama in a passionate love relationship, only it's about women friendships. But all the same elements-- love, betrayal, revenge, lies, crying-- making up. 

Edited November 3 by bravofan27

[Sweet-tea]

On 10/31/2024 at 11:49 PM, bravofan27 said:

Shannon was out of sorts at the party. I didn't understand what pissed her off when they were taking the group picture, and then she goes to vent to Matt and gets furious with him. Then it ends with her laughing and having a great time. Me thinks she was two sheets when she got there.

She definitely had a few and react impulsively and dramatically, as usual. In the last several episodes, I've noticed she always takes her purse when she goes to the bathroom. Wonder if there are little bottles of alcohol in there. 

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I thought he was being supportive when he replied to her that maybe it was time to walk away (and I think he was being kind) and then she's offended by that?  WTF?  And Shannon admonished Katie about it.  She's nuts. 

He was polite and reasonable. She was erratic and emotional, which is her MO thus all the "I'm dones" and storming out. Is she emotional because she drinks or does she drink because she's emotional? Hard to tell. 

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Jenn is not that stupid. She knew, but she liked the 5 carat diamond ring. And she is still with him. 

Yep. She's a bit passive but not dumb. She doesn't seem equipped to stand on her own. She left her husband for this guy, who is a player, and now she probably thinks she has to make it work. The ring is the prize, but I didn't think it was ll that. It was a bit garish for my taste. 

I liked Jenn's hairstyle and makeup at the bridesmaid party. She was giving me Kim Basinger LA Confidential vibes.  

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I find Heather to be pretentious and ostentatious, and also, unapologetically conceited.  She is her own version of a self-appointed queen of all that is supposedly upper-class, and, at least to me, she looks down on ALL the other women, and treats them as they are beneath her. 

Totally agree! I'm neutral on Katie, but I like seeing someone call out Heather and get her rattled. It's been a long time coming. 

On 10/31/2024 at 8:23 PM, politichick said:

Travis is awful for guilting Gina and kudos to her for sticking to her guns!!! Her children do not need the chaos that is his ex-wife

I understand why Gina wants to protect her children from his ex during his divorce. My first thought was this is why she should've waited to get involved with him until his divorce was final. I don't think she should've moved in with him while all this was going on, especially with her children. 

Shannon looks a little heavier in some of her THs than she does on the show. I wonder if she was on the shot and then went off it? And yikes, filler alert! She didn't look good on the reunion preview. 

Edited November 3 by Sweet-tea

[ZettaK]

9 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

She definitely had a few and react impulsively and dramatically, as usual. In the last several episodes, I've noticed she always takes her purse when she goes to the bathroom. Wonder if there are little bottles of alcohol in there. 

He was polite and reasonable. She was erratic and emotional, which is her MO thus all the "I'm dones" and storming out. Is she emotional because she drinks or does she drink because she's emotional? Hard to tell. 

Yep. She's a bit passive but not dumb. She doesn't seem equipped to stand on her own. She left her husband for this guy, who is a player, and now she probably thinks she has to make it work. The ring is the prize, but I didn't think it was ll that. It was a bit garish for my taste. 

I liked Jenn's hairstyle and makeup at the bridesmaid party. She was giving me Kim Basinger LA Confidential vibes.  

Totally agree! I'm neutral on Katie, but I like seeing someone call out Heather and get her rattled. It's been a long time coming. 

I understand why Gina wants to protect her children from his ex during his divorce. My first thought was this is why she should've waited to get involved with him until his divorce was final. I don't think she should've moved in with him while all this was going on, especially with her children. 

Shannon looks a little heavier in some of her THs than she does on the show. I wonder if she was on the shot and then went off it? And yikes, filler alert! She didn't look good on the reunion preview. 

Shannon is obviously on Ozempic (or one of the similar medications) because she lost a lot of weight since last season.

[ZettaK]

On 10/31/2024 at 9:54 PM, whydoievencare said:

Was that Katie's husband who Shannon went to and said that "she was done"?  I thought he was being supportive when he replied to her that maybe it was time to walk away (and I think he was being kind) and then she's offended by that?  WTF?  And Shannon admonished Katie about it.  She's nuts.  I also wish Emily would just shut her gob sometimes - she seems to often make things worse.

 

Shannon's problem is not new. Bravo showed reruns a couple of nights ago of Shannon's first season. Immediately after her first dinner for the HWs she just met (they met ar Tamra's Halloween party a few days before), the women said "she drinks like a fish". It seems she has other issues because she was erratic at the engagement party, she was aggressive toward Katie's husband who was polite and understanding, and she managed to run out of every event/party/dinner. 

I also criticize heavily right now the other HW, Karen Huger of Potomac who had a DUI (and other traffic infractions) like I do with Shannon. 

[ZettaK]

On 11/1/2024 at 1:41 AM, dancingdreamer said:

 I like Emily, but I hate drunk Emily, she gets confused  and sloppy. So Tamra isn't  drinking,  but she did drink in London,  okay then. 

I like Katie, and I like her even more because  she doesn't  give  a damn about Heather. The argument  they had was very petty.Although  part of their  conversation  seemed edited badly.( like most of tonight ) Could of done without  seeing  Johnny J,  how funny  he said the lines to Shannon,  he's now saying to Alexis,  glad  to see him staying out of the limelight.  Isn't  Ryan helping with an investigation,  so he's not  being  charged. Tamra was so smug , with her FBI cap. I made up other words  ,for what it stood for. 

I hope Gina and Travis make a go of it ,after the divorce  is final, they seem good together. 

Ryan is not "helping" with the investigation. According to all the national media like EPSN, the Los Angeles Times, etc., he ratted on his best friend who gambled with him with funds Okhani's of the LA Dodgers interpreter stole from him to pay for his gambling debts he owed to Ryan's business partner and former best friend who is an illegal bookmaker.

[ZettaK]

On 11/1/2024 at 8:41 AM, snarts said:

Oh yeah, Reddit, the single source of truth :)

Prolly not wise to refer to someone's "legal issues" if they've not been legally charged or indicted for a crime. Also, the fifth amendment of the constitution requires that immunity be granted to compel testimony. The government needed Ryan's cooperation in order to make their case. If they believed Ryan was guilty of illegal activities, they would've charged/indicted him and then doesn't maka plea deal in exchange for his testimony. 

Actual quote from APNews coverage of the pleading (not just "sources" e.g. Tamrat calling the paps) “I was running an illegal gambling operation, laundering money through other people’s bank accounts,” Bowyer told the judge. 

Jenn (&Ryan) were on WWHL last night and seemed happy.  Finally, Shannon's considering a break from the show.

Do you personally know Ryan?

Again, the sources I mentioned above about Ryan who ratted on his friend are the LA Times, ESPN, etc. Getting a deal to avoid prosecution in exchange of testifying doesn't make one innocent. Innocent individuals don't need to have immunity from prosecution. The title and article from ESPN: 

Ippei Mizuhara wired Shohei Ohtani's money to 'Real Housewives' star

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/40105362/ippei-mizuhara-ryan-boyajian-gambling-money

I didn't see him threatening to sue any of these media.

As for Ryan who even worked for Countrywide (according to what he said in this episode), the notorious lender which caused almost exclusively the real estate crash of 2008 won't be able to do any business anywhere with this reputation. 

Edited November 4 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 11/1/2024 at 11:12 AM, Cosmocrush said:

Ryan was never charged with anything.  

It doesn't mean he is innocent. He ratted on his best friend in exchange for avoiding prosecution for doing the same his friend did- gambled with funds which were stolen from Oktani, the Dodgers' player by his interpreter to pay for gambling debts to Ryan's business partner and illegal bookmaker. Thats what immunity means. The friend, of course was an illegal bookmaker unlike Ryan, so it's another offense. According to the LA Times and ESPN, the interpreter wired money to Ryan's account, as well. Ryan didn't know what was it was, from who, why he was receiving it?

Edited November 4 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 11/1/2024 at 7:54 PM, tranquilidade said:

Tamra has been gunning for Jeen and using her as punching bag since Jen came on the show.  They replayed the clip where she ridicules the fake designer bags she carries to make the point.  Tamara never had a friendship with Jenn but Jenn was too naive to notice.  I now think  Tamra is jealous of her because Jenn is attractive and seems to survive no matter what bad decisions she makes or what trouble she gets into.  

Tamra and her husband were friends with Jenn and her ex husband, and they didn’t like it when she left her husband for Ryan, who they didn’t like and didn't consider a good influence on her. They said it on the show more than once.

[ZettaK]

Tamra could pass her message (about Shannon’s drinking, and Ryan's problems) better if she didn't scream, or repeat it so much. 

[FozzyBear]

9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Tamra could pass her message (about Shannon’s drinking, and Ryan's problems) better if she didn't scream, or repeat it so much. 

Earlier I posted about how in the Shannon-John-Alexis debacle I actually think they are all sort of right but they are all absolutely assholes. I feel the same way about Tamara-Shannon and Tamara-Jenn.

I think Ryan is a scummy dude who has probably said some really foul things to Tamara and has been shady all over town but Jenn was too dickamatized to care. I think Tamara was at one point worried and frustrated with her friend but it became about proving herself “right” and Tamara just went off the rails attacking Ryan and Jenn’s relationship.

I think in the days after the DUI Shannon tried to blame John for what went down that night (He knew I was in a bad place and made me leave! I would have been fine driving if he hadn’t yelled at me! I was so upset I crashed into a house!) and Tamara started calling bullshit. I also think Shannon was drinking during her program and calling people from rehab to drunkenly tell them she’s not an alcoholic. I think Tamara lost her patience and decided to go “tough love” on Shannon. But again it became about being “right” and she went off the rails trying to prove Shannon was in the wrong.

In both cases, I don’t think Tamara is wrong about what she’s saying but she’s so cruel in her delivery that it stops mattering.

Edited November 4 by FozzyBear

[Baltimore Betty]

If Emily was not happy with wearing a dress that would make her look larger than Alexis on the runway and that dress covered most of her body then why would she chose to wear her wedding dress with a big open back and just a bit too tight and unflattering all together and be perfectly fine with appearing on camera like that? 

Emily's argument about bringing her own jeans/singled out/same dress drama has lost a lot of if not all of it's impact the second she appeared in her wedding dress.

 

[RealHousewife]

9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Tamra could pass her message (about Shannon’s drinking, and Ryan's problems) better if she didn't scream, or repeat it so much. 

So true. It's amazing so many of us also think Shannon has an alcohol problem and Ryan's sus, yet most of the board still prefers Shannon and Jenn to Tamra. 

[snarts]

9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Do you personally know Ryan?

Again, no, I have Google and can read.

9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Getting a deal to avoid prosecution in exchange of testifying doesn't make one innocent. Innocent individuals don't need to have immunity from prosecution.

Nor does it make one guilty. See below.

On 11/1/2024 at 8:41 AM, snarts said:

Also, the fifth amendment of the constitution requires that immunity be granted to compel testimony. The government needed Ryan's cooperation in order to make their case. If they believed Ryan was guilty of illegal activities, they would've charged/indicted him and then offer a plea deal in exchange for his testimony. 

If Ryan had been charged/indicted for a criminal act & government dismissed (or reduced charges) while offering immunity in exchange for testimony one could then say he did something illegal & flipped on his friend

However, Ryan was not charged or indicted for any crime. He's referred to as an associate of the accused. The government granted him immunity to compel his testimony and, in their eyes, he's viewed as a cooperating witness.

Did he know his friend was a bookie? Yep. Did he likely benefit by being his friend? Sure. But that doesn't make him a criminal any more so than the friend Martha Stewart treated to a vacation with the money she made from trading imClone stock. 

7 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

So true. It's amazing so many of us also think Shannon has an alcohol problem and Ryan's sus, yet most of the board still prefers Shannon and Jenn to Tamra. 

Tamrat has her own problems with alcohol, so it's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

More importantly, her comments about Shannon (& Jenn) have zero to do with actual concern or empathy. She thinks tearing others down makes her look better & she gets literal joy from it. So no, I'm actually heartened that most will root for the person who made a mistake vs. the evil, vicious shrew who continually tries to use it against them. 

[Palimelon]

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More importantly, her comments about Shannon (& Jenn) have zero to do with actual concern or empathy. She thinks tearing others down makes her look better & she gets literal joy from it. So no, I'm actually heartened that most will root for the person who made a mistake vs. the evil, vicious shrew who continually tries to use it against them. 

Yeah, Shannon and Jenn have their faults, but Tamra does seem to enjoy tearing down people, even if it's none of her business.

[bravofan27]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

If Emily was not happy with wearing a dress that would make her look larger than Alexis on the runway and that dress covered most of her body then why would she chose to wear her wedding dress with a big open back and just a bit too tight and unflattering all together and be perfectly fine with appearing on camera like that? 

 

Maybe the wedding dress was a size 6? 

[Natalie68]

On 10/31/2024 at 6:54 PM, whydoievencare said:

Was that Katie's husband who Shannon went to and said that "she was done"?  I thought he was being supportive when he replied to her that maybe it was time to walk away (and I think he was being kind) and then she's offended by that?  WTF?  And Shannon admonished Katie about it.  She's nuts.  I also wish Emily would just shut her gob sometimes - she seems to often make things worse.

 

He was being kind to her and she was typical Shannon.  I have read several reports, not just that one who worked with her on that stupid dating show, that she is AWFUL to people.  Production, random people, people she deems beneath her.  She is Shannon Fucking Storms Beador.  We saw what she is really like.  Ego needs a reality check.

On 10/31/2024 at 7:15 PM, QQQQ said:

If Emily didn't shit stir and play both sides, I'm not sure her lame storyline of feeling fat-shamed at Heather's "fashion show" would merit her returning next year. Ever since Gina has found her own voice, Emily has been less valuable to the show.

May goddess strike me dead:  I want Gina, Jenn, Heather, Katie and Vickie on the show. Drop Emily, Tamra and Shannon.  Loathe those 3.

[Juneau Gal]

7 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

Earlier I posted about how in the Shannon-John-Alexis debacle I actually think they are all sort of right but they are all absolutely assholes. I feel the same way about Tamara-Shannon and Tamara-Jenn.

I think Ryan is a scummy dude who has probably said some really foul things to Tamara and has been shady all over town but Jenn was too dickamatized to care. I think Tamara was at one point worried and frustrated with her friend but it became about proving herself “right” and Tamara just went off the rails attacking Ryan and Jenn’s relationship.

I think in the days after the DUI Shannon tried to blame John for what went down that night (He knew I was in a bad place and made me leave! I would have been fine driving if he hadn’t yelled at me! I was so upset I crashed into a house!) and Tamara started calling bullshit. I also think Shannon was drinking during her program and calling people from rehab to drunkenly tell them she’s not an alcoholic. I think Tamara lost her patience and decided to go “tough love” on Shannon. But again it became about being “right” and she went off the rails trying to prove Shannon was in the wrong.

In both cases, I don’t think Tamara is wrong about what she’s saying but she’s so cruel in her delivery that it stops mattering.

I agree almost  100% with what you wrote; all except giving Tamra credit for employing tough love. Tough love requires kindness, which Tamra is void of. Tamra weaponizes information against the person. She cares about no one but herself and uses people only to make herself look good. 

[FozzyBear]

1 hour ago, Juneau Gal said:

I agree almost  100% with what you wrote; all except giving Tamra credit for employing tough love. Tough love requires kindness, which Tamra is void of. Tamra weaponizes information against the person. She cares about no one but herself and uses people only to make herself look good. 

Good clarification. When I said Tamara decided to use Tough Love I meant more in a buzz wordy sense. I think she decided that at this point to just start yelling because she was frustrated and she knows that’s a thing you can get away with if you’re yelling at a person with substance abuse problems. I do not think she sat down and had a look into herself to find the best way to love Shannon.

[Dr Mama]

On 10/31/2024 at 9:28 PM, RealHousewife said:

I thought Katie's husband was just being polite. I was so confused by Shannon's reaction. I had to rewind and wondered if it was an editing thing. 

Yeah--I generally like Shannon, but I was very confused by her reaction to Katie's husband's comment.

I wondered if she thought he was suggesting that maybe she should step away from the show, and she was offended by that suggestion--as though it's on her to walk away from the show rather than hope Tamara stops attacking her.

[Dr Mama]

On 11/2/2024 at 6:53 AM, sassi214 said:

I will always bat for Shannon, I can't help myself. I know she is an absolute MESS, but I find it annoyingly endearing. I hope she finds health and happiness. 

Tamra is a snake and always has been. I don't think she has ever been selfless or genuine. She yells so much and is rude, mean and punches below the belt. 

I struggle with Heather because while I appreciate her relationships and support of her kids, I find her tone to be exhausting. I think over the years the money keeps her wildly out of touch and judgmental.

I love Emily. She too, like Shannon, is quite a mess. But I think that's fun. I just really love her big personality and I love that she gives Alexis SHIT. I've never enjoyed Alexis on the OC. I think she is so fake and so performative. Bleh. 

I find Jenn to be sad. I'm rooting for her, but I think she is just meek and sad. I hope things improve. 

I don't mind Katie much. Her "proof" about the Heather paparazzi photos was unimpressive. But I like her trying to go toe to toe with Heather. I hope she keeps it up.

 

OMG!! I agree so much with your assessments of all of these women!!

[65mickey]

21 hours ago, Dr Mama said:

Yeah--I generally like Shannon, but I was very confused by her reaction to Katie's husband's comment.

I wondered if she thought he was suggesting that maybe she should step away from the show, and she was offended by that suggestion--as though it's on her to walk away from the show rather than hope Tamara stops attacking her.

Of course that was what this was about. She wanted to go out there and whine and complain about how she was treated and tell him that she was done with this. When he agreed with her that it might be better for her to walk away she blew up at him.  What she was saying was How dare you tell me to walk away even though I am done because she has NO intention of walking away. She needs and wants that Bravo check!. She just wants to bitch and moan about how she is DONE. She is never going to be done unless they kick her off the show.

[bravofan27]

Did anyone see the awesome movie "The Substance?" I think that whole movie was inspired by Tamra.

I don't see Emily being asked back next season. I might be wishful thinking though. I see all the rest coming back and maybe Emily on as a friend. Even though the viewing audience doesn't like Alexis, I do see her back, at least as a friend, because she is friends with almost all of them (besides of course Emily and Shannon) and this show is all about friendships. 

Did anyone know Emily is a lawyer? She should really mention it more than 100 times a season so people don't forget how smart she is.

I don't think Shannon's issues are big enough or obvious enough to not get asked back. Tamra has done everything she can all season to run Shannon off the show, but Shannon, surprisingly, for the most part, keeps it together. She's not at Braunwyn or Jules level where you look at them and it's just obvious they are in a really dark space and need time away.

I think watching Katie and Heather fight over silly things all season will be quite entertaining. 

 

[Workslame]

On 11/3/2024 at 11:52 AM, bravofan27 said:

I watched the meta documentary or expose on the real housewives on Vice, and it really helped me understand the show. The first OC season was really a pilot, and Andy saw potential and took over the creative direction. He wanted it to be a reality SOAP OPERA. So, here, in this model, it's all about drama between relationships. The stronger the relationship, and the harder the faller out, the better, the more painful and heartbreaking the better. I think that's why Tamra was cast on the show-- she creates these relationships with women where they almost idolozie her, and she love bombs them, and then she turns on them for the slightest fault. It's like all the drama in a passionate love relationship, only it's about women friendships. But all the same elements-- love, betrayal, revenge, lies, crying-- making up. 

I watched this too. It's surprising yet not that the women are told by producers to bring the drama and to bring up off screen stuff. I think there's too much drama across all the franchises and they have over played their hand with the constant drama. It's really not fun anymore.

I watch it at the gym and half the time I'm rolling my eyes. Just trying to make my cardio go faster. 

Edited November 13 by Workslame

[ZettaK]

On 11/4/2024 at 9:09 AM, FozzyBear said:

Earlier I posted about how in the Shannon-John-Alexis debacle I actually think they are all sort of right but they are all absolutely assholes. I feel the same way about Tamara-Shannon and Tamara-Jenn.

I think Ryan is a scummy dude who has probably said some really foul things to Tamara and has been shady all over town but Jenn was too dickamatized to care. I think Tamara was at one point worried and frustrated with her friend but it became about proving herself “right” and Tamara just went off the rails attacking Ryan and Jenn’s relationship.

I think in the days after the DUI Shannon tried to blame John for what went down that night (He knew I was in a bad place and made me leave! I would have been fine driving if he hadn’t yelled at me! I was so upset I crashed into a house!) and Tamara started calling bullshit. I also think Shannon was drinking during her program and calling people from rehab to drunkenly tell them she’s not an alcoholic. I think Tamara lost her patience and decided to go “tough love” on Shannon. But again it became about being “right” and she went off the rails trying to prove Shannon was in the wrong.

In both cases, I don’t think Tamara is wrong about what she’s saying but she’s so cruel in her delivery that it stops mattering.

I agree. 

Let me just say that Shannon didn't go to rehab. Her lawyer negotiated for her to attend an outpatient facility (that I wouldn't call rehab) for a month. 

[ZettaK]

On 11/4/2024 at 11:41 AM, snarts said:

Again, no, I have Google and can read.

Nor does it make one guilty. See below.

If Ryan had been charged/indicted for a criminal act & government dismissed (or reduced charges) while offering immunity in exchange for testimony one could then say he did something illegal & flipped on his friend

However, Ryan was not charged or indicted for any crime. He's referred to as an associate of the accused. The government granted him immunity to compel his testimony and, in their eyes, he's viewed as a cooperating witness.

Did he know his friend was a bookie? Yep. Did he likely benefit by being his friend? Sure. But that doesn't make him a criminal any more so than the friend Martha Stewart treated to a vacation with the money she made from trading imClone stock. 

Tamrat has her own problems with alcohol, so it's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

More importantly, her comments about Shannon (& Jenn) have zero to do with actual concern or empathy. She thinks tearing others down makes her look better & she gets literal joy from it. So no, I'm actually heartened that most will root for the person who made a mistake vs. the evil, vicious shrew who continually tries to use it against them. 

Let me remind you again that "Ryan Boyajian, a current cast member of Bravo's reality TV series "The Real Housewives of Orange County," is the bookmaker's associate to whom Ippei Mizuhara wired money to pay his gambling debts, multiple sources with knowledge of the investigation told ESPN".

The stolen money from Oktani's account (Oktani is a famous baseball player of the LA Dodgers) by his interpreter Mizuhara was wired directly to Ryan's bank account, and he used this money to gamble (read the rest of the article). It couldn't be more clear about what he did. But, Ryan was not the illegal bookie (his best friend and business partner was) who was owed the money by Mizuhara, so the Feds were lenient with him in exchange of information.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/40105362/ippei-mizuhara-ryan-boyajian-gambling-money

Edited Thursday at 11:28 PM by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 11/6/2024 at 6:26 PM, 65mickey said:

Of course that was what this was about. She wanted to go out there and whine and complain about how she was treated and tell him that she was done with this. When he agreed with her that it might be better for her to walk away she blew up at him.  What she was saying was How dare you tell me to walk away even though I am done because she has NO intention of walking away. She needs and wants that Bravo check!. She just wants to bitch and moan about how she is DONE. She is never going to be done unless they kick her off the show.

I got the same impression. Shannon was insulted because she assumed he told her to leave the show. She seemed out of sorts at the season finale party (or otherwise Jenn's engagement party). 

[Natalie68]

17 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I agree. 

Let me just say that Shannon didn't go to rehab. Her lawyer negotiated for her to attend an outpatient facility (that I wouldn't call rehab) for a month. 

Shannon had zero consequences as far as I am concerned.  Easy peasy. Her attitude after the DUI bothered me. But I loathe her anyway. I don't see that she has been trying to have a better relationship with alcohol (WTF Gina?) and she seems to enjoy playing the victim.  I admit, I haven't watched yet but I watched the clip showed after the reunion.  Total ass saving scene for Shannon because I am expecting the video John has to be released. Why not? Let's give it a looksee.