S9.E1: A Crash Course in Deflection

[ZettaK]

The ladies rally around Karen, but not without asking a few probing questions; Wendy closes an important chapter in her life; Ashley meets with a lawyer to take the next steps toward divorce; Mia navigates co-parenting with Gordon.

First aired on 10/6/2024.

Edited October 7 by ZettaK

[LaurelleJ]

They will get another viewership credit from me because I was barely paying attention and couldn't say what happened. I'll try to keep up but it was a pretty hum drum premiere. 

[Stats Queen]

I hope Karen takes accountability for her like Shannon (RHOC) appears to have done. Zero excuses.

This might be a good season. Gizelle is so messy.

[bosawks]

“Wendy closes an important chapter in her life.”?

Wendy has more chapters than War and Peace…

[drivethroo]

3 hours ago, LaurelleJ said:

I'll try to keep up but it was a pretty hum drum premiere. 

It was hum drum because Candiace wasn't there & allegedly the showrunner got fired so that toxic energy & environment isn't there anymore. (I don't see Candiace ever returning to this show & I think she only talks to Wendy & Karen.  She didn't even tweet about the show. She's done --and after seeing tonight's episode, she doesn't fit with the cast anymore.)

IMO Candiace's exit affects the cast & cast energy a lot more than Robyn's exit, in particular with Ashley.  Ashley's giving us the same old divorce storyline she's had since season 7.  It is now Season 9 and you're still traipsing down to the lawyer's office talking about getting ready to be getting ready to divorce Michael. IMO Michael refused to film again because Candiace was there but now that she's gone, I wonder if he would film again? Ashley can't pick on Candiace anymore so she's going to have to go after somebody new.  Because I've said since S7 Ashley did not like Mia, they can explore that, although I've heard Ashley gets into it with some of the new girls too.

Gizelle no longer has Candiace around to clique up on and because Candiace is not around, Gizelle is more relaxed.  Which means the rest of the cast is more relaxed.  I think we'll see a S1-2 Gizelle going forward.

Robyn leaving didn't change the energy of the show one way or the other which means she had zero impact and was not needed.  Although I do see her coming back as a friend (and she posted a congratulations to the cast on her social media --trying to keep the door open. Candiace closed the door and left the building).

Blonde is not for everyone.

 

[Chatty Cake]

The premiere wasn’t bad but I don’t care for these DUI storylines. I know Karen had to face the music to keep her job but we don’t need Gizelle acting all high and mighty. 
Ashley dating is of no interest to me. Plus’s it’s not like she’s new to dating, she already had a boyfriend since Michael. 
Mia is lucky Gordon isn’t more pissed off. 
The group doesn’t seem divided anymore. Even Gizelle and Wendy greeted each other. 
 

[LaurelleJ]

I was surprised to see Ashley and Wendy greet each other somewhat warmly. I thought there would be residual tension from the reunion. 

[pasdetrois]

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They will get another viewership credit from me because I was barely paying attention and couldn't say what happened. I'll try to keep up

Y'all watch so I don't have to. The Erika Jayne criminality was the final straw for me. I just cannot stomach the housewives shows until the format is fixed. Perhaps the producers are experimenting with less toxicity in RHoP's new season.

All housewives return to the fold if there's enough money and they need it. I can see Candace quietly approaching the producers of other shows, such as Traitors or housewife spin-offs. She has an expensive lifestyle and her music career will not support it.

Edited October 7 by pasdetrois

[sugarbaker design]

Two DWI's and Karen still plans to share in the libations with the girls?  

Too many new people all at once, I had a hard time telling them apart.  I sure didn't miss Robin, but I did miss Candiace.

[qtpye]

8 hours ago, drivethroo said:

It was hum drum because Candiace wasn't there & allegedly the showrunner got fired so that toxic energy & environment isn't there anymore. (I don't see Candiace ever returning to this show & I think she only talks to Wendy & Karen.  She didn't even tweet about the show. She's done --and after seeing tonight's episode, she doesn't fit with the cast anymore.)

IMO Candiace's exit affects the cast & cast energy a lot more than Robyn's exit, in particular with Ashley.  Ashley's giving us the same old divorce storyline she's had since season 7.  It is now Season 9 and you're still traipsing down to the lawyer's office talking about getting ready to be getting ready to divorce Michael. IMO Michael refused to film again because Candiace was there but now that she's gone, I wonder if he would film again? Ashley can't pick on Candiace anymore so she's going to have to go after somebody new.  Because I've said since S7 Ashley did not like Mia, they can explore that, although I've heard Ashley gets into it with some of the new girls too.

Gizelle no longer has Candiace around to clique up on and because Candiace is not around, Gizelle is more relaxed.  Which means the rest of the cast is more relaxed.  I think we'll see a S1-2 Gizelle going forward.

Robyn leaving didn't change the energy of the show one way or the other which means she had zero impact and was not needed.  Although I do see her coming back as a friend (and she posted a congratulations to the cast on her social media --trying to keep the door open. Candiace closed the door and left the building).

Blonde is not for everyone.

 

Robyn's role was Gizzy's bodyguard/bouncer.

I forgot she was even not there.

I know that grammar is incorrect but I do not know how else to phrase it...

[drivethroo]

3 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

All housewives return to the fold if there's enough money and they need it. I can see Candace quietly approaching the producers of other shows, such as Traitors or housewife spin-offs. She has an expensive lifestyle and her music career will not support it.

That's assuming the show would even want her back and if this season gets positive feedback, higher ratings and the cast is working together, not divided, not clapping back at each other on social media, I can't see the show even wanting Candiace back.

I do see her back on TV, just not on RHOP again.  She was approached to do Traitors but backed out when it was learned Monique was also going to be a part of that cast. When she declined, Traitors rescinded their offer to Monique and cast Robyn instead.  

Candiace isn't broke, so I don't see any desperation to get back on the show whether Chris is broke or not.

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 I sure didn't miss Robin, but I did miss Candiace.

I didn't see anyone on social media saying they wished Robyn was still on the show. I saw people wishing Candiace, Nneka and Charrisse (!) were still on but EVERYBODY was glad Robyn Dixon was not here right now.

[Keywestclubkid]

I'm sorry but Mia girl to make your kids paternity a story line for yourself just feels .. ICKY  .. this is something that will follow him for the rest of his life that should be private .. thanks for fucking with your son like that so you can be on television

[Marley]

I liked it.

Ashleys divorce storyline is lame tho who cares. She’s also been dating so that’s nothing new.

Gizelle seemed less annoying maybe without Robyn. It’s still ep 1 tho lol.

I didn’t miss Robyn at all.

Karen is going her usual deflection but she entertains me so whatever. Just take a damn uber or something tho.

Edited October 7 by Marley

[Thumper]

First time watching this rendition of RH, so I don’t know all the characters.  I watched to see Stacy, the former QVC host!  😁.   She seemed like such a nice person; most of us were surprised to see her go this route.  I wonder how many if these women she really knew.  Her guy on this  show was also a Q host.  He left shortly after she did. 

[Giddyup]

I didn’t love it, didn’t hate it.
I guess Ashley is Gizelles new sidekick. I also don’t miss Robyn but don’t understand why Ashley is still on? 
The Grande Dame looks great and that staged scene at the diner was rather funny. 
I like Wendy and Eddie.  He seems like a  nice guy. 


 

[Baltimore Betty]

16 minutes ago, Marley said:

I didn’t miss Robyn at all.

I just realized Robyn was not in the cast, how crazy is that? 

Was one of the charges against Karen driving on a a suspended license? If so, shame on Ray for letting her drive, you don't get to renew your registration and you are not covered by insurance, am I correct?

Mia say's Gordon does not want Inc to take Jeremiah for a haircut, is Gordon afraid that Inc will take the hair for a DNA test, sort of like the Dwight/Angela/baby situation?

I wish all the hats were banana or taco hats.

Karen should never be seen drinking, making reference to drinking, should not be anywhere near booze, she is not helping her case even intimating that she will have a drink...what medication was she on that kept her from having a glass of bubbly at the dress shop, was it the drink and you will get sick medication as part of her rehab?

 

 

[Stats Queen]

1 minute ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Mia say's Gordon does not want Inc to take Jeremiah for a haircut, is Gordon afraid that Inc will take the hair for a DNA test, sort of like the Dwight/Angela/baby situation?

I think maybe it is a special bonding time for Gordon and his son.

[dancingdreamer]

I'm not a fan of Karen's, she didn't  seem particularly  upset about everything,  but she could  be hiding that. I thought  it was a pretty  boring episode,  the hat thing was weird, not funny, although the hat Karen  wore into the party was. Some very pretty new ladies, but too many to remember. This show needed a recast, I'll give it a couple  of episodes,  so far everything  seems very forced.

[Salacious Kitty]

2 hours ago, Thumper said:

First time watching this rendition of RH, so I don’t know all the characters.  I watched to see Stacy, the former QVC host!  😁.   She seemed like such a nice person; most of us were surprised to see her go this route.  I wonder how many if these women she really knew.  Her guy on this  show was also a Q host.  He left shortly after she did. 

So it's confirmed that she's with TJ? I only saw the family picture with her ex and Arabella. 

[amarante]

The Grande Dame is ridiculous. Her parents died 6 years ago - as the editors shadily pointed out. It is well past time to stop blaming your grief for your poor decisions. My parents are both dead and so I understand grief but she is being ridiculous.

Obviously not missing the non-entity that was Robyn. She lasted well beyond her expiration date with her non-stories. However I think that Bravo gave her one last season in the hope that she would produce something more than the tired excuses about Juan. They were probably itching to fire her after she monetized the Juan stuff behind a paywall instead of bringing it up during the season before. 

Mia's poor kids. The housewives are so ridiculous when they claim that they aren't "responsible" for certain actions. She and G did NOT need to have a discussion about the paternity test ON CAMERA.  Mia brought it up by telling G that Inc wanted the test. If she was truly acting in her child's best interest she would have done it all of camera. But she deliberately chose to make it public by having the request filmed. 

Is there really a flourishing boutique that sells those kinds of gowns in enough quantity so that it is profitable. They weren't prom type of gowns or bridesmaids gowns. It reminds me of the Kim on RH of New Jersey who had a boutique. Obviously the football wife should theoretically have the kind of money Monique had - is Monique still married?

[StevieRocks]

Big Ugly Mole Karen is full of it and should be ashamed of herself--trying to make a bunch of BS excuses and acting like there is an explanation <that we don't know yet>🙄. Nah, B--you drove drunk AGAIN--and could have killed someone. The end. 🤮

[HelloDolly79]

15 hours ago, drivethroo said:

It was hum drum because Candiace wasn't there & allegedly the showrunner got fired so that toxic energy & environment isn't there anymore. (I don't see Candiace ever returning to this show & I think she only talks to Wendy & Karen.  She didn't even tweet about the show. She's done --and after seeing tonight's episode, she doesn't fit with the cast anymore.)

IMO Candiace's exit affects the cast & cast energy a lot more than Robyn's exit, in particular with Ashley.  Ashley's giving us the same old divorce storyline she's had since season 7.  It is now Season 9 and you're still traipsing down to the lawyer's office talking about getting ready to be getting ready to divorce Michael. IMO Michael refused to film again because Candiace was there but now that she's gone, I wonder if he would film again? Ashley can't pick on Candiace anymore so she's going to have to go after somebody new.  Because I've said since S7 Ashley did not like Mia, they can explore that, although I've heard Ashley gets into it with some of the new girls too.

Gizelle no longer has Candiace around to clique up on and because Candiace is not around, Gizelle is more relaxed.  Which means the rest of the cast is more relaxed.  I think we'll see a S1-2 Gizelle going forward.

Robyn leaving didn't change the energy of the show one way or the other which means she had zero impact and was not needed.  Although I do see her coming back as a friend (and she posted a congratulations to the cast on her social media --trying to keep the door open. Candiace closed the door and left the building).

Blonde is not for everyone.

 

It wasn't until I read this that I remembered Candiace and Robyn weren't on the show anymore.

[Baltimore Betty]

Just now, HelloDolly79 said:

It wasn't until I read this that I remembered Candiace and Robyn weren't on the show anymore.

Same.

 

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Same.

 

Not gonna lie same lol 

[Stats Queen]

2 hours ago, amarante said:

is Monique still married?

Nope

[politichick]

4 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

I think maybe it is a special bonding time for Gordon and his son.

Yeah, also black barbershops are communal, brotherhood type places. I don't understand the fight over the paternity test because Mia could just get samples from her child and Inc and send them off. Another reason she should be ashamed of bringing this up on camera, poor boy.

[njbchlover]

6 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

I'm not a fan of Karen's, she didn't  seem particularly  upset about everything,  but she could  be hiding that. I thought  it was a pretty  boring episode,  the hat thing was weird, not funny, although the hat Karen  wore into the party was. Some very pretty new ladies, but too many to remember. This show needed a recast, I'll give it a couple  of episodes,  so far everything  seems very forced.

Plus, it seemed like the hats all appeared to be children's sizes, or Karen and Ashley have large heads - the hats they put on seemed very small for their heads.

Karen's hat that she wore into the party - I saw about 100 of them in Nashville on girls celebrating bachelorette parties.  It comes in a bunch of colors and is available on Amazon for around $30.00!  It looked ridiculous on Karen, imo.

[Thumper]

5 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

So it's confirmed that she's with TJ? I only saw the family picture with her ex and Arabella. 

That’s what I’ve read on various QVC forums.  I believe it may be in her RH bio, as well.  I saw him in the previews, too.   Whether it’s real or a showmance,  who knows?!   😁

[Salacious Kitty]

10 minutes ago, Thumper said:

That’s what I’ve read on various QVC forums.  I believe it may be in her RH bio, as well.  I saw him in the previews, too.   Whether it’s real or a showmance,  who knows?!   😁

You need to join the Primetimers at Shopping Snark! Anything so you don't have to go to those awful QVC forums! 😀

I missed the previews, so I didn't see TJ myself, but snarkers confirmed it's him, with more Botox and veneers. 

[Thumper]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

You need to join the Primetimers at Shopping Snark! Anything so you don't have to go to those awful QVC forums! 😀

I missed the previews, so I didn't see TJ myself, but snarkers confirmed it's him, with more Botox and veneers. 

I’m there, @Salacious Kitty!   Using a different name.😁

 

 

[lilmarysunshine]

Did Giselle really say something to Mia about her not protecting her kids?! When Jamal Bryant, a ”pastor,” is such a dog and has like 8 kids by 5 women and all of that was made public? And she pretended to get back with him for a storyline? 

[ZettaK]

15 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I just realized Robyn was not in the cast, how crazy is that? 

Was one of the charges against Karen driving on a a suspended license? If so, shame on Ray for letting her drive, you don't get to renew your registration and you are not covered by insurance, am I correct?

Mia say's Gordon does not want Inc to take Jeremiah for a haircut, is Gordon afraid that Inc will take the hair for a DNA test, sort of like the Dwight/Angela/baby situation?

I wish all the hats were banana or taco hats.

Karen should never be seen drinking, making reference to drinking, should not be anywhere near booze, she is not helping her case even intimating that she will have a drink...what medication was she on that kept her from having a glass of bubbly at the dress shop, was it the drink and you will get sick medication as part of her rehab?

 

 

She didn't change/update the address on her driver's license (when was the last time she moved?). And her car registration had expired. As for the registration fee, it is higher if the car is more expensive. There is a grace period after the due date to pay it. 

Shannon Beador is drinking on the current season RH of Orange County, just after her DUI.

[Palimelon]

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When Jamal Bryant, a ”pastor,” is such a dog and has like 8 kids by 5 women

He probably heard about Nick Cannon and said "Challenge accepted. Hold my Sacramental wine..."

[ZettaK]

Karen very obviously staged the exchange with the owner of her favorite diner about him never seeing her drinking. Do these HWs think the viewers are stupid?

As for excuses, her parents passed away in 2018, and her marital problems became a storyline years ago. Weren't they solved with the vow renewal ceremony? 

I'm waiting to see how much more empathetic, etc. Gizelle is going to be this season. 

Ashley's divorce storyline is old, and tired. She also seems to forget the viewers remember she is dating for years. 

Mia makes me take Gordon's side (who I assume wants to be on the show to present his side of events). She is awful. She exploits her kids by discussing paternity tests on tv. Her boyfriend is not exactly a prize.

I didn't miss Candiace or Robyn.

The new HWs seem to be likeable.

 

Edited October 8 by ZettaK

[CrinkleCutCat]

Karen can barely close her eyes properly: surgery has made her eyelids too tight?

Karen can barely keep her eyes open (in her talking heads and the Hattitude birthday lunch): is she taking something? My husband works in the sector referred to as ‘Alcohol and Other Drugs’ in Australia and refers to it as “on the nod”!

[pasdetrois]

17 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

shame on Ray for letting her drive

I'm pretty sure Ray spends much of his time in Florida. In past seasons the two of them talked about it and it was clear Ray wanted to live a quieter life, off-camera. I think we see him when he happens to be in the DC area or perhaps he flies in for production. I believe he and Karen are living separate lives while still being married.

[EtheltoTillie]

1 hour ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

Karen can barely close her eyes properly: surgery has made her eyelids too tight?

Karen can barely keep her eyes open (in her talking heads and the Hattitude birthday lunch): is she taking something? My husband works in the sector referred to as ‘Alcohol and Other Drugs’ in Australia and refers to it as “on the nod”!

In the US back in the ‘60s or ‘70s they would say heroin addicts were on the nod. I haven’t heard that expression in years 

Edited October 8 by EtheltoTillie

[bosawks]

2 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

Karen can barely close her eyes properly: surgery has made her eyelids too tight?

Karen can barely keep her eyes open (in her talking heads and the Hattitude birthday lunch): is she taking something? My husband works in the sector referred to as ‘Alcohol and Other Drugs’ in Australia and refers to it as “on the nod”!

To be fair I find my head doing this when I listen to certain HoWives....

[CrinkleCutCat]

1 minute ago, bosawks said:

To be fair I find my head doing this when I listen to certain HoWives....

Ah, you make me laugh! 😘

[Palimelon]

So Karen can barely keep her eyes open because she is on drugs but also can barely close her eyes because of too much surgery?

[ButterQueen]

I was bored to death.

 

[Baltimore Betty]

5 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

I'm pretty sure Ray spends much of his time in Florida. In past seasons the two of them talked about it and it was clear Ray wanted to live a quieter life, off-camera. I think we see him when he happens to be in the DC area or perhaps he flies in for production. I believe he and Karen are living separate lives while still being married.

I thought of that as I was out and about today in my car which I have a license to drive, free and clear, legally allowed to drive, sober in the middle of the day...I thought Ray probably is not around too much unless he is needed to play the doting husband so he has no idea if she is driving.

[Baltimore Betty]

7 hours ago, ZettaK said:

She didn't change/update the address on her driver's license (when was the last time she moved?). And her car registration had expired. As for the registration fee, it is higher if the car is more expensive. There is a grace period after the due date to pay it. 

Shannon Beador is drinking on the current season RH of Orange County, just after her DUI.

It does not make it right, neither Shannon nor Karen are contrite or even trying to appear to do better by laying off the hooch.

One of the charges were failure to change her address, yeah when did she move again? Every house looks exactly the same, hard to say it is a different house from season to season.

I am betting the pay by date and the grace period passed without Karen even caring about paying that fee, since she moves so much maybe her mail has a hard time keeping up with her.

[CrinkleCutCat]

9 hours ago, Palimelon said:

So Karen can barely keep her eyes open because she is on drugs but also can barely close her eyes because of too much surgery?

Yes! Watch her eyes in a talking head, for example. She looks like she’s about the fall asleep the way she frequently slowly blinks…and when she blinks her top lid almost doesn’t touch her bottom lids as if they are too tight. It is a real thing that if a surgeon removes too much top lid the eyes cannot close properly.

[politichick]

7 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

It does not make it right, neither Shannon nor Karen are contrite or even trying to appear to do better by laying off the hooch.

One of the charges were failure to change her address, yeah when did she move again? Every house looks exactly the same, hard to say it is a different house from season to season.

I am betting the pay by date and the grace period passed without Karen even caring about paying that fee, since she moves so much maybe her mail has a hard time keeping up with her.

Shannon addressed her DUI in the first episode and expressed deep regret and embarrassment. Karen is blaming her accident on sadness about her parents' deaths 5 or 6 years ago and her marriage issues, not drink, even though she was charged with a DUI--her second.

I don't mind Shannon drinking as long as she drinks in moderation and doesn't drive. I also hope she won't drink to cope with difficult situations any longer, but I don't believe she is an alcholoic. Like, she's not going to get the DTs if she goes a day without a vodka soda.

[Chatty Cake]

1 hour ago, politichick said:

Shannon addressed her DUI in the first episode and expressed deep regret and embarrassment. Karen is blaming her accident on sadness about her parents' deaths 5 or 6 years ago and her marriage issues, not drink, even though she was charged with a DUI--her second.

I don't mind Shannon drinking as long as she drinks in moderation and doesn't drive. I also hope she won't drink to cope with difficult situations any longer, but I don't believe she is an alcholoic. Like, she's not going to get the DTs if she goes a day without a vodka soda.

Yes, sometimes I think viewers expect too much from the housewives after their arrests. LuAnn quit drinking on camera for awhile but started again. I don’t think it’s up to the viewers or other cast members to say someone is an alcoholic because they got a DUI. Karen does need to stop blaming her parents deaths every time she has a problem.

[ZettaK]

2 hours ago, politichick said:

Shannon addressed her DUI in the first episode and expressed deep regret and embarrassment. Karen is blaming her accident on sadness about her parents' deaths 5 or 6 years ago and her marriage issues, not drink, even though she was charged with a DUI--her second.

I don't mind Shannon drinking as long as she drinks in moderation and doesn't drive. I also hope she won't drink to cope with difficult situations any longer, but I don't believe she is an alcholoic. Like, she's not going to get the DTs if she goes a day without a vodka soda.

Shannon Beador had a PR announcement in the beginning of the season. She said it was a one time incident- that's not taking accountability. She drinks. She fought to keep her driver's license by having connections, and expensive lawyers, when others lose it. 

Shannon's long term friends like Jeff Lewis think she is an alcoholic.

People like Luann, Shannon, and Karen are going to be criticized if they choose to appear on a reality show about their lives. They can't expect to be admired only, and have favorable storylines.

Edited October 9 by ZettaK

[drivethroo]

On 10/7/2024 at 1:30 PM, Giddyup said:

I guess Ashley is Gizelles new sidekick.

Ashley was always Gizelle's sidekick, even more than Robyn was.

On 10/7/2024 at 11:03 PM, lilmarysunshine said:

Did Giselle really say something to Mia about her not protecting her kids?! When Jamal Bryant, a ”pastor,” is such a dog and has like 8 kids by 5 women and all of that was made public? And she pretended to get back with him for a storyline? 

Perhaps Gizelle is mad she didn't get to reveal Jeremiah's paternity, since she didn't have any problem trying to bring Monique's child's paternity on the show.

On 10/7/2024 at 3:41 PM, amarante said:

Obviously not missing the non-entity that was Robyn. She lasted well beyond her expiration date with her non-stories. However I think that Bravo gave her one last season in the hope that she would produce something more than the tired excuses about Juan.

Robyn should've been cut after season 4 or 5.  The engagement party should've been Robyn's final story.  Production kept waiting for her to give "more" and they realized after Season 8 she never had anything more to give. Plus Mia gave the storyline Robyn was supposed to have given in Season 8 for less money, so Robyn had to go. I do see her making future appearances on the show. Candiace, no.

On 10/7/2024 at 5:54 AM, Chatty Cake said:

The group doesn’t seem divided anymore. Even Gizelle and Wendy greeted each other. 

The reason for the divide is gone. Gizelle decided Candiace (and Wendy) had to go. She & Robyn teamed up to make that happen and the rest of the cast (minus Karen) joined in because they didn't want to be on the receiving end of Gizelle. 

Candiace is gone, so Gizelle is more relaxed.  And when Gizelle is more relaxed, the rest of the cast can relax.  Plus, 3 of the people who cliqued up with Gizelle are also no longer on the cast and they added new people so Gizelle really didn't have a clique at the beginning of filming to go after anyone (and I think Wendy/Mia will end up cliquing together against the OGs).

[amarante]

14 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Shannon Beador had a PR announcement in the beginning of the season. She said it was a one time incident- that's not taking accountability. She drinks. She fought to keep her driver's license by having connections, and expensive lawyers, when others lose it. 

 

The issue isn't whether or not Shannon is an alcoholic and continues to drink because she thinks she can control it.

The issue is the difference in the way they handled their DUI incident.

Shannon admitted she was drunk and didn't make any excuses for her behavior by blaming stress. She didn't claim she couldn't talk about it with the implication that she really hadn't been DUI.

So far Karen hasn't not actually admitted culpability in terms of DUI but has continued to attempt to excuse the behavior by citing "issues" like the death of her parents SIX YEARS AGO or issues in the marriage when "the streets" all know her marriage with Ray has been a marriage of convenience for many years.

Karen's has the same wealth and ability to have attorneys negotiate a favorable deal as Shannon so I think the argument that one has "privilege" and the other doesn't is ridiculous. 

[Palimelon]

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Ashley was always Gizelle's sidekick, even more than Robyn was.

Not in the first few seasons. And never more than Robyn was.

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She & Robyn teamed up to make that happen and the rest of the cast (minus Karen) joined in because they didn't want to be on the receiving end of Gizelle. 

I don't think Mia or Ashley were all that sad for Candiace to go...and I doubt them being scared of Gizelle would be needed to motivate them to be against Candiace either. They both had their own issues with her.