Joker: Folie à Deux (2024)

[BetterButter]

 

[Spartan Girl]

 

So once again, they’re messing with canon, making Harley an inmate fangirl than his shrink.

I greatly admire and respect Lady Gaga but if she gets an Oscar nomination for this while Margot got nothing from the Oscars for Barbie, I’ll puke.

Edited April 10 by Spartan Girl

[AimingforYoko]

I think Gunn's already said this is an Elseworld's deal.

That was something, alright. Why didn't they have any singing in the trailer? Cowards.

[Spartan Girl]

And oh goody, we’re getting another stairs scene with both of them this time.

Hard pass.

[FilmTVGeek80]

3 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

I greatly admire and respect Lady Gaga but if she gets nominated for this while Margot got nothing for Barbie, I’ll puke.

What does one have to do with the other? Wouldn't it be more apt to say if she gets nominated for this, while Robbie never got nominated for however many times she played Quinn? Robbie got plenty for playing Barbie—a truckload of money and lots of award nominations.

2 hours ago, AimingforYoko said:

That was something, alright. Why didn't they have any singing in the trailer? Cowards.

It's just the teaser trailer. I'm actually shocked we got as much as we did.

[Spartan Girl]

8 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

What does one have to do with the other? Wouldn't it be more apt to say if she gets nominated for this, while Robbie never got nominated for however many times she played Quinn? Robbie got plenty for playing Barbie—a truckload of money and lots of award nominations.

I was referring to the Oscar nomination she didn’t get, but I do see your point. I just don’t want this movie to be the one that gets Gaga her Oscar. Hell, I’m already afraid they’ll nominate Joaquin again.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

*dies*

[magdalene]

That was a superb teaser trailer, kind of darkly romantic. So, I think this teaser is obviously very misleading. 

 My theory for this sequel is - feel free to laugh at it - he falls in love with her but does she with him?  The trailer makes it look like she is another inmate but she is actually a music therapist or some kind of volunteer. Maybe even the doctor as in the comics. In the comics the Joker manipulates and abuses her - maybe they are turning the tables here?  The poor crazy murderous schmuck falls for her and under her spell but she uses him for her own crazy murderous desires. And here is the darkest possibility, in the end she kills him and becomes him?  Smiles. Too dark?

[Trini]

4 hours ago, magdalene said:

That was a superb teaser trailer, kind of darkly romantic. So, I think this teaser is obviously very misleading. 

 My theory for this sequel is - ...

I feel like this is the type of movie that doesn't need a big twist. They're both famous bad guys; either of them using/abusing/turning against the the other wouldn't be surprising, however they do it. Harley being an inmate to start seems to be a narrative shortcut.

[Spartan Girl]

I mean, I would like a movie about Harley killing Joker, but I don’t thin’ this is going to be it.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Honestly, this is where they could take a page from Margot's version of Harley. Spoiler tagging for those who haven't seen The Suicide Squad

"I made myself a promise that the next time I got a boyfriend, I'd be on the lookout for any red flags, and if I saw any, I would do the healthy thing, and I would murder him. And killin' kids.....kind of a red flag."

I don't believe this is going to be that, though. I didn't see the first movie with Phoenix, but I know it's not supposed to be comedic, not even darkly so. More's the pity.

[Sarah 103]

On 4/9/2024 at 9:26 PM, Spartan Girl said:

I greatly admire and respect Lady Gaga but if she gets an Oscar nomination for this while Margot got nothing from the Oscars for Barbie, I’ll puke.

I'm still mad the director of Joker  was nominated for an Oscar and Greta Gerwig wasn't. After I saw Joker I thought, almost everything in here has been done before and been done better. It felt like a retread/reheated version of various 1970s movies and didn't add anything different. Greta Gerwig managed to create a fresh adaptation of a classic work that had been done multiple times before, but managed to make it feel different and new.  

[BetterButter]

 

[Spartan Girl]

So Todd Phillip’s revolutionary take on Harley Quinn is to make her a Manson girl.

[MadyGirl1987]

5 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

So Todd Phillip’s revolutionary take on Harley Quinn is to make her a Manson girl.

Right? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't seem much different from what we've seen of Harley Quinn in other forms before; someone drawn to the Joker because they find him, or something about him, charismatic. The only difference is that it seems like she's already got issues before meeting him.

[tv echo]

Todd Phillips Is Moving on After ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’: “My Time in the DC Universe Was These Two Films”
By Kirsten Chuba   October 1, 2024
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/todd-phillips-dc-universe-joker-folie-a-deux-lady-gaga-1236018853/ 

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Asked if he would ever want to do a standalone film for Gaga’s character, Phillips noted, “It’s not really where this movie is headed for me. I feel like my time in the DC Universe was these two films,” after previously saying he was not interested in doing a Joker 3. ....

[proserpina65]

On 4/9/2024 at 9:52 PM, AimingforYoko said:

I think Gunn's already said this is an Elseworld's deal.

That was something, alright. Why didn't they have any singing in the trailer? Cowards.

Because they knew that would drive people away.

[AimingforYoko]

I'll tell you this: There's no way this movie's making a billion.

[overtherainbow]

I went to see this today without reading any of the reviews. I had a gift card I'd been itching to use. Now I really wish I had. What a depressing pile of misery porn with just about every courtroom trope we've seen ever rolled into what felt like forever. Plus cheesy song after cheesy song.

[Spartan Girl]

28 minutes ago, overtherainbow said:

I went to see this today without reading any of the reviews. I had a gift card I'd been itching to use. Now I really wish I had. What a depressing pile of misery porn with just about every courtroom trope we've seen ever rolled into what felt like forever. Plus cheesy song after cheesy song.

No, save your gift card for a better movie.

I haven’t seen it but I read the spoilers and I know what happens. And all I can say is I’m glad this is pissing off all the people that liked the original movie. 

[overtherainbow]

5 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

No, save your gift card for a better movie.

I haven’t seen it but I read the spoilers and I know what happens. And all I can say is I’m glad this is pissing off all the people that liked the original movie. 

If only it pissed off the people that liked the original WHILE still being a good movie that's thought provoking..and this is from someone who actually likes musicals 

[Spartan Girl]

2 hours ago, overtherainbow said:

If only it pissed off the people that liked the original WHILE still being a good movie that's thought provoking..and this is from someone who actually likes musicals 

 Not a chance with a pretentious douche like Todd Phillips at the helm.

[Harvey]

8 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

No, save your gift card for a better movie.

I haven’t seen it but I read the spoilers and I know what happens. And all I can say is I’m glad this is pissing off all the people that liked the original movie. 

[Palimelon]

TBH I always thought the first one was extremely overrated. This one just sounds bad.

[tv echo]

James Gunn Reminds Fans DC Studios Had NOTHING To Do With Warner Bros.' JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX
By Josh Wilding   Oct 6, 2024
https://comicbookmovie.com/batman/joker/james-gunn-reminds-fans-dc-studios-had-nothing-to-do-with-warner-bros-joker-folie-deux-a213718#gs.fpl17g 

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Instead, it's another critical and commercial flop, doing DC few favours as it looks to rebound from the DCEU era of storytelling. It probably won't surprise you then that DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn was quick to remind fans on social media that they had nothing to do with the critically panned sequel. 
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Director Todd Phillips and co-writer Scott Silver made similar comments last month at a pre-screening Q&A. "With all due respect to [Gunn and Safran]," he said, "this is kind of a Warner Brothers movie, and that's them also wanting it to be like, 'Okay, Todd did his thing. Let Todd continue to do his thing.'"

Silver chimed in to say Joker: Folie à Deux "started before [Gunn and Safran] even came up for it," prompting Phillips to remind those in attendance that this is "not like DC proper, even though it'll say DC after."
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In our review of the movie, we concluded by saying, "Lady Gaga shines and Joaquin Phoenix brings more of the same to Joker: Folie à Deux, a wholly unnecessary sequel with no new ideas and nothing to say. It doesn’t work as a movie or a musical. What a waste of $200 million."

https://www.threads.net/@jamesgunn/post/DAvsRt7PITb?xmt=AQGzjN3ySR4spo1Ho45WrRwNrb5zGz2_TaOp8V6e0nlXD6I 

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jj124654 1d ago
Bro Why there's no DC studios logo on Joker: Folie à Deux
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jamesgunn 22 hours ago
Because it’s not a DC Studios film.

Edited October 6 by tv echo

[BlueSkies]

I do love me some Lady Gaga....  but more her music vs acting.

 

[tennisgurl]

I was going to head out to see this but then I read review and had to look at spoils so...I think I'm going to wait until it comes out on streaming, which should be pretty quickly given its reception. I never thought that the 2019 Joker was the amazing revolutionary movie that a lot of people thought it was, but I could appreciate what it was doing and I admitted its artistry. I try not to judge a movie without seeing it first, but this sounds like a horrible mix of boredom and batshit crazy that I don't want to use my money on.  

[Palimelon]

Fans Are Calling For Joker To 'Release The Gaga Cut' After Spotting Key Scenes From Trailer Are Not In Film.

[Palimelon]

 

[methodwriter85]

I am not going to see this but I've talked to people who have and it all basically seems like Todd Phillips decided to say "Fuck you!" with a 200 million dollar film. 

[Frisky Wig]

I saw this today. Not much plot, way, WAY too much singing, some court scenes dragged, other court scenes annoyed me (the voices Arthur used when he was made up as Joker, for example), very depressing. Also, the other lawyer, was that Harvey Dent? looked distractingly young. 

[AimingforYoko]

Joker 2 suffers record 81.3% drop in second weekend.

[Danny Franks]

I confess I was morbidly fascinated to see how this movie would do, given the narratives around the previous one. The first one was like a rallying call for every guy who thinks he's a special snowflake that's been ignored by the world and is bitter and full of rage because of it. Todd Phillips didn't help in the build up to it by whining about how "you can't even do comedy any more because of political correctness."

So how would those guys react to a musical, a form of entertainment that's usually seen as non-manly? Would they embrace it because it was centred around the avatar of their misanthropy, or would they reject it because it was full of songs and had a prominent female character muscling in on their guy's supposedly righteous acts of vengeance?

Unfortunately it seems like the movie is objectively bad, so all those guys have a ready made excuse for rejecting it. It also sounds like an incredibly lazy endeavour. A jukebox musical? Really? Not even musical fans want that.

 

 

[Palimelon]

Joker sequel on course for catastrophic $200m loss.

[BetterButter]

 

[Spartan Girl]

Todd Philips broke the Honest Trailer Guy with his pretentious hackery.

[Trini]

Well, if we're posting reaction vids; HISHE living up to its name with this one:

 

[Cobalt Stargazer]

20 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Todd Philips broke the Honest Trailer Guy with his pretentious hackery.

I do feel bad for Lady Gaga, who for a non-actress has some acting talent and screen presence. But this is not the project she should have chosen.

[Palimelon]

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Todd Philips broke the Honest Trailer Guy

Just the Honest Trailer Guy?

[Trini]

1 hour ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

I do feel bad for Lady Gaga, who for a non-actress has some acting talent and screen presence. But this is not the project she should have chosen.

I feel like in theory, if they were actually serious about making a Harley/Joker musical it would have been fine (polarizing for sure, though); but yeah, that's not what happened here.

[DanaK]

Starts streaming on Max December 13

[Mrsmaul2021]

I am watching now on Max and TBH, I don't find it terrible. Just dull but I don't know why it was made into a musical and Joaquin's voice is just too horrific. 

Edited December 13 by Mrsmaul2021

[iarwain]

On 12/13/2024 at 11:01 AM, Mrsmaul2021 said:

I am watching now on Max and TBH, I don't find it terrible. Just dull but I don't know why it was made into a musical and Joaquin's voice is just too horrific. 

Just watched it today.  Like you, I couldn't help but wonder why they made it into a musical.  What person in what room thought this was a good idea, and who said "Yeah, let's do that"?  Maybe one possible answer was that it needed the songs in there to pad out the time - there isn't a huge plot there.  I did think they did a good job selecting the songs.

I enjoyed the movie.  It was a bit dull, but I am fascinated by Jauquin Phoenix's portrayal of the Arthur Fleck character.  It could have been shorter, I think most movies these days are too long.

Interesting to see the little nods to other DC characters.

[Hanahope]

It’s hard to have Lady Gaga in a movie and not have her sing.  But yeah Joaquin should not.  
 

boy this movie dragged.  Glad I just watched at home.  

[iarwain]

Gonna put this in spoilers, I'd recommend watching the movie before reading it:

Spoiler

I saw this YouTube video where it said that the guards set Arthur up at the end, allowing the psychopath to stab him.  I was wondering who would have been visiting Arthur - I didn't think Lee would have been visiting him.  Or Mr. Puddles.  And previously, they had always announced "Your lawyer is here to see you" if it was a lawyer.

But this guy says it is the guards who set him up.  While that is a distinct possibility, and maybe the one that makes the most sense, I didn't see any indication of that being the case.  Or maybe I missed something.

 

[iarwain]

On 12/17/2024 at 9:40 PM, Hanahope said:

It’s hard to have Lady Gaga in a movie and not have her sing.  But yeah Joaquin should not.  

Joaquin doesn't have the best voice on the planet, but I thought he did a great job of expressing the emotion of his character in the songs.

I know a lot of people don't like this movie, but I enjoyed the opportunity to spend more time with the Arthur Fleck character - even if I disagree with him on a lot of things.  For one thing, Fleck sees life as miserable, or at least his life.  Whereas I see it as a gift and a blessing.  Of course, it probably is pretty miserable in prison (or forensic hospital), but he might have avoided that if he hadn't decided to start killing people.  He might have gotten away with the guys on the subway.