Jinger and Jeremy Vuolo

[Sweetpea12]

On 10/15/2024 at 7:22 AM, auntieminem said:

 She is going to be doing a gender reveal later.  

 

Please be a girl.  Please be a girl.  Please be a girl.

 

 

[Notabug]

16 hours ago, LilJen said:

Was the whole video this beige? What is it with fundies wearing non colors in a field of weeds?

And some people desperately want children and can’t have them and cannot afford to adopt or do infertility treatments.

And, some people try to adopt or do infertility treatments and it doesn't work out.

As far as adoption goes, except in surrogate situations, somewhere around 95% of women who decide to give their child for adoption before delivering change their minds afterwards and keep the baby.  If a couple cannot afford to do a private adoption which costs up to $50,000, there is about a 7 year wait for an infant via the public agencies.  That includes infants of all races.  So, a couple hoping for an infant has got to have both time and/or money to make it happen.  

Not every parent is able to care for an older child with emotional issues or a child with significant disabilities; so telling couples that they should just adopt an older special needs kid is not very helpful.  Sort of like the Supreme Court justice who claimed that for a woman who was pregnant and not prepared to parent; there was no difference at all between a first trimester termination and carrying to term, delivering and surrendering for adoption then.  Apples and oranges.

[CalicoKitty]

2 hours ago, Notabug said:

And, some people try to adopt or do infertility treatments and it doesn't work out.

As far as adoption goes, except in surrogate situations, somewhere around 95% of women who decide to give their child for adoption before delivering change their minds afterwards and keep the baby.  If a couple cannot afford to do a private adoption which costs up to $50,000, there is about a 7 year wait for an infant via the public agencies.  That includes infants of all races.  So, a couple hoping for an infant has got to have both time and/or money to make it happen.  

Not every parent is able to care for an older child with emotional issues or a child with significant disabilities; so telling couples that they should just adopt an older special needs kid is not very helpful.  Sort of like the Supreme Court justice who claimed that for a woman who was pregnant and not prepared to parent; there was no difference at all between a first trimester termination and carrying to term, delivering and surrendering for adoption then.  Apples and oranges.

And sometimes even adoptions don't work out.  A teacher and her husband that I worked with adopted a baby girl.  They went through an expensive attorney who specializes in adoptions.   A week after they brought their newborn daughter home, the birth mother showed up and took her baby back.  My friends did adopt another baby girl using the same attorney, and have been a very happy family ever since,  but that experience was devastating.

[andromeda331]

I always hoped to have children giving birth or adoption if I never married. I had a health problem in my 20s that took five years to fix. A second health problem started in my early 30s and I'm still dealing with it now. Having kids no longer is option. I can't take care of myself and I don't know if I ever will be able to. And if by chance I do get back to normal having a kid is still not an option. I had too many health problems that I don't know if I could carry a child to term. Adoption would be out too. Who's going to give a child to a broke woman in her 40s with two previous health problems one that left me unable to take care of myself for years? What if I relapse? Have another health issue? Despite really wanting kids there's never really been a time to have one.   

[Tasya]

I guess it's an interpretive thing. Personally, as an "older" mom, I know people who outright say that they are too selfish to have kids. I don't think there is anything wrong with that either. If you choose (key word) not to have kids because you don't want them to interfere with your life and you do want to be able to go whenever you want to, it is selfishness.

I think the issue comes with saying that people are wrong for that when they are not. I did not become a mother until I was 35 years old, and I tell people all the time it was because I was selfish. I did not want to devote my life to a child until I was ready to do so. Once you are a parent, it becomes all about your kids, and it's hard to find and keep your own identity in that. Right now my son is in three sports and goes to a private school a 1/2 hour away, which turns into a 1.5-hour commute during rush hour. Most days I can't even think about taking time for myself. 

So we should normalize selfish decisions when it comes to deciding to be parents. If you choose to do it, you need to want it; unfortunately, I think there are too many mothers out there who should have chosen to remain selfish and not have kids. In Jinger's world, selfish decisions are demonized. They are supposed to make every decision with JOY in mind, so in my opinion, when she holds up a mirror and sees her family of just 2(3) kids, deep down, she feels it's selfish based on how she was raised, and she's not sure how to reconcile that. 

[GeeGolly]

I think the word selfish is a misnomer. I think a better word is practical or maybe pragmatic.

The reasons for those who choose not to have children are plentiful and personal.

And of course there are those who are childless not by choice.

Having or not having children is no one's business, unless of course you go on TV and make it everybody's business.

[AstridM]

7 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I always hoped to have children giving birth or adoption if I never married. I had a health problem in my 20s that took five years to fix. A second health problem started in my early 30s and I'm still dealing with it now. Having kids no longer is option. I can't take care of myself and I don't know if I ever will be able to. And if by chance I do get back to normal having a kid is still not an option. I had too many health problems that I don't know if I could carry a child to term. Adoption would be out too. Who's going to give a child to a broke woman in her 40s with two previous health problems one that left me unable to take care of myself for years? What if I relapse? Have another health issue? Despite really wanting kids there's never really been a time to have one.   

My situation was/is similar in many ways, so you’re not alone. ❤️

Edited October 21 by AstridM

[emma675]

I think Jinger needs to stop with the influencer, social media, podcast, writing books stuff and focus long and hard on therapy. She talks a big game about becoming free and not being a people pleaser and being able to worship God without fear like she used to, but she's still overly focused on being selfish for not having enough children, judging others for not having them, and so many other things that are not any of her concern. 

This is what I hate about MacArthur and other religions like his. How a person chooses to worship or not worship, how many children a woman has or does not have, who a person chooses to love, none of this is any of their business. Most people don't try to force their beliefs on others, why do MacArthur and Jeremy and Jinger and Jill Rodrigues and Jim Bob feel it's okay for them to try to force their beliefs on others?

[AstridM]

2 hours ago, emma675 said:

I think Jinger needs to stop with the influencer, social media, podcast, writing books stuff and focus long and hard on therapy.

Truer words have never been spoken!

[BetyBee]

As a child of parents who had more kids than they could handle, I think it's selfish to have more kids than you have the energy and income to care for!

[GeeGolly]

I have no doubt Jinger thinks her eyes are wide open, but she still lives in a 'you don't know what you don't know' state of mind. Its her desire and willingness to try to see things differently that leaves the door open to more changes. Changes she may not be ready for right now and changes she may never buy into.

Many folks reach for faith when they're going through tough times. I think folks like the Duggars should give up 'faithing' for a month and see what happens.

Edited October 22 by GeeGolly

[Gemma Violet]

New video:

 

[auntieminem]

I was just coming here to talk about the video I watched earlier but then I got distracted. The seemed to ramble off track worse than usual.  Lots of talk about the Bates, accents, storm damage, etc.  They talked about the dancing which was kind of funny.  Jeremy has so much more normal world experience that seems to help him fit into whatever social situation and make conversation and friends.  They really need to edit their  podcasts and remove the much of the rambling such as the whole accent section.  Though he did point out the whole changing the g words to sound like K. 

[auntieminem]

Jinger posted a youtube about Jason's wedding.  They already did the podcast talking about it.  There was video of their traveling (as we know they didn't take the girls), some video of the service/event.  Jinger, the older sisters (sans Jill) and Abbie went to the Bates daughter's shop after the wedding to buy some clothes and their spouses hung out.  

 

 

[AstridM]

I thought their “shop” wasn’t open to the public most days? Another contrived photo op 🤦‍♀️

[auntieminem]

20 minutes ago, AstridM said:

I thought their “shop” wasn’t open to the public most days? Another contrived photo op 🤦‍♀️

It wasn't open; they went late at night.  It looked like a storage room/warehouse so not sure if there was another part that was a storefront.  

[Salacious Kitty]

They don't sell from the "store". Only on Cash and Carry events every so often. It's really a glorified warehouse.

Edited October 28 by Salacious Kitty

[AstridM]

22 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

They don't sell from the store. Only on Cash and Carry events every so often. It's really a glorified warehouse.

Exactly my point. Just another contrived photo op/grift. And yet another grift to post it online for people to click on, imo. 🤬

[Gemma Violet]

It was cute to see Jana and Stephen dancing in the video.

[cmr2014]

On 10/17/2024 at 4:10 PM, GeeGolly said:

I just watched part of the video. My take was Jinger feels judged as being selfish for only having two (soon to be three) kids. That each family needs to do what is right for them, including asking God.

I agree, and I don't know that I believe that Jinger believes that 
"people who don't have children are selfish." I think that she would be happy with zero, one or two -- maybe. I'm sure she has children herself because she's heard that mantra about "selfish women" approx 1 million times.

I don't think she's really capable of thinking for herself that way -- and that's 100% intentional. Gothard's "teaching materials" and methods were designed to prevent critical thinking and Jinger is a graduate. Jeremy chose her for that reason -- she's not especially dumb, but she doesn't have any interest in examining her existing beliefs. I'm sure that Jinger's docility is a plus to MacArthur and is helping Jeremy within the organization.

[jcbrown]

Those tan suits on the groom and groomsmen are dreadful.

[Gemma Violet]

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[Gemma Violet]

Jinger mentioned Gilmore Girls in the video.  Always nice to hear a secular show mentioned.  I have a feeling J & J watch a lot of Netflix, as they've mentioned Netflix shows in the past.

[auntieminem]

That video was hard to watch as they rambled more than usual.  They need to put more effort into planning their podcast.  The only thing of interest was that Michlle's father lived with them for a while after he was in a car accident and his wife had already passed. It was before JB's parents moved in. She talked about the close relationship she had with her grandma Mary and that Mary and Amy had an even closer relationship.  Jere says he only remembers seeing a few scenes of the show at his pastor friend's house. It was so all over the place so I did a lot of skipping around.  

[ginger90]

The important question, was Jeremy wearing shoes?

[Gemma Violet]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

The important question, was Jeremy wearing shoes?

Of course not.  😊 🧦🧦🧦

[YupItsMe]

On 10/28/2024 at 3:10 PM, Gemma Violet said:

It was cute to see Jana and Stephen dancing in the video.

And Abbie wrapped around John with his hand stroking her leg. (Sitting at the wedding near J & J before the grandparents came down the aisle)