S17.E11: Taking It Day by Day

[Emma Snyder]

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The spouses spend their one-month anniversaries ice skating, skiing and exploring the mountains on horseback, but not everyone is in the mood to celebrate; a husband's text message leaves his wife in tears.

Airs Wednesday, Jan 3 at 8:00PM EST.

[Crashcourse]

So, Austin thinks Becca's going to hell?  Did I hear that right?  WTF?

[kristen111]

Is this the same show we’ve been watching for years?  Horrible show tonight all around.  Waste of time.

[Retired at last]

It's not on for another 90 minutes here, but, I think reruns of Everybody Loves Raymond might be my viewing pleasure for this evening. Thanks for the heads up.

Actually, @kristen111, I think this show gets a little bit worse every season, because for the past several we have been saying that each season is the worst. Sounds like we will say it again.

[LennieBriscoe]

Both Becca and  Austin sound ignorant of the religions being discussed. 

[thatsall]

56 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

So, Austin thinks Becca's going to hell?  Did I hear that right?  WTF?

I realize this concept is steeped in centuries of controlling tradition, but I'm surprised that Austin -- any thinking adult? -- buys into it with this much confidence. Wonder how his critical thinking stands up in other areas of his life. Poor Becca.

[endure]

And how inspiring they would go to the quitters for marital advice, good grief show!  ..... and why are they still on?  And why do they keep showing us the guy that got left at the altar, the one wearing the girls floral pj bottoms, like he is still a part of this season? Who writes this stuff?

Edited January 4 by endure

[kristen111]

Emily .. He’s just not into you.  Brennon is not the type to be on tv.  He can’t express his feelings so sits there like a stone.  Why is Lauren still on?  Orion too.
 

[endure]

I feel like they are all faking it this season.

[endure]

     

Did they say they are only half way through this season earlier? Not sure they will even get through at this point.  Maybe that's why they are offering up another chance for Michael.

Edited January 4 by endure

[Elizzikra]

I will say that I am enjoying the different outings. That ski-treadmill thing that Cameron and Claire did looks awesome!

 

[Kiss my mutt]

This is the longest break-up Emily has ever experienced! I think she just needs to end it herself. 

[Ms.C.]

1 hour ago, thatsall said:

I realize this concept is steeped in centuries of controlling tradition, but I'm surprised that Austin -- any thinking adult? -- buys into it with this much confidence. Wonder how his critical thinking stands up in other areas of his life. Poor Becca.

 

This sounds so contrived - the whole show - that I’m tuning out again.   Did these couples forget they’re on the show to fall in love and groom a marriage?  Sounds like not one of them really intended to trust the match and grow love.   Back to romance people.  Save the big themes for later.  

[Elizzikra]

27 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

This is the longest break-up Emily has ever experienced! I think she just needs to end it herself. 

I really dislike how this season's couples are framing quitting as "self-care." You signed up for three months. You can "walk away" at three months. I don't think that leaving earlier than that out of some notion of "self protection" is in keeping with the integrity of the agreement (unless, of course, there is abuse). 

Also - Brandon - what was up with the zip up and old t-shirt at dinner? He looked like he just rolled in from the gym. At least make an effort, dude.

[endure]

1 minute ago, Elizzikra said:

I really dislike how this season's couples are framing quitting as "self-care." You signed up for three months. You can "walk away" at three months. I don't think that leaving earlier than that out of some notion of "self protection" is in keeping with the integrity of the agreement (unless, of course, there is abuse). 

Also - Brandon - what was up with the zip up and old t-shirt at dinner? He looked like he just rolled in from the gym. At least make an effort, dude.

A lot of them look grubby and used 😕

[Empress1]

9 hours ago, Ms.C. said:

This sounds so contrived - the whole show - that I’m tuning out again.   Did these couples forget they’re on the show to fall in love and groom a marriage?  Sounds like not one of them really intended to trust the match and grow love.   Back to romance people.  Save the big themes for later.  

I actually disagree. I get the big topics out of the way early (even before a date, if it’s someone I met on an app - I screen for certain things) because there are things that would make me fundamentally incompatible with a person and thus not suited to be in a relationship with them - things I can’t or won’t compromise on, and to me it makes no sense to drag things out knowing that we’re incompatible. “We’re in love” isn’t enough to sustain a relationship if the people in it want totally different lives.

I think the issue here is that the show should have done that leg work for them and matched people whose deal-breakers align. “You want two kids and want to raise them Jewish? Me too!” They shouldn’t be discovering these major compatibility issues because the show should have screened for them. I‘m still not clear on what Becca and Austin were fighting about re: hell, but they shouldn’t have matched people with opposing religious beliefs.

9 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Also - Brandon - what was up with the zip up and old t-shirt at dinner? He looked like he just rolled in from the gym. At least make an effort, dude.

All of the men looked like they were going to totally different events than the women. Women in cocktail attire, men in casual. At least Austin took off his stupid hat for the occasion. I still want to shave his neck though.

Brennan: “I don’t want to touch you but I’ll give you a one-armed bro hug.” Ouch!

There was a moment when Austin and Becca were watching the video and Austin looked completely miserable, and then Becca turned to look at him and he slapped a fake smile on. I winced when I saw it.

Clare said she saw Cameron as a best friend but for one, I don’t get that vibe at all, she seems to barely tolerate him, and two, that’s not what he wants. I think the best relationships have friendship at the root of them but, you know, you still want to get naked with them. Clare’s insistence that she doesn’t know if he’s attracted to her is crazy to me - he’s said it a million times.

[kristen111]

10 hours ago, endure said:

     

Did they say they are only half way through this season earlier? Not sure they will even get through at this point.  Maybe that's why they are offering up another chance for Michael.

They keep throwing in those stupid games to pass time.  No storylines anymore.  I don’t want to see roller skating or whatever they are doing.

[kristen111]

The Sex Therapist and Brennen ….  All I know is my husband of many years would rather eat glass then spill our sex life to a therapist or anyone.  He doesn’t want her and that’s it.  They keep pushing to make themselves look good.

[seacliffsal]

First of all, my positive comment: that horseback riding looked beautiful!  The horses were gorgeous as was the scenery.  See?  I can still find positives about this show (but would be hard pressed had there not been a horseback riding activity...).

Secondly, if different religious beliefs were not an initial deal-breaker for Austin, then it should not become one as time goes on.  I am totally on the train that the show should NOT mismatch religious or political beliefs as well as the desire to have/not have children.  However, if Austin did not identify that marrying a Christian was a requirement, then he shouldn't add it as time goes on.  If he DID identify needing to marry a Christian, then shame on the show.  As a Christian, I dated Christians as well as non-Christians but was willing to compromise on certain issues.  What most surprised me about the religious discussion in this episode was Pastor Cal going off on Austin about his beliefs.  Pastor Cal emphasized the importance of following Christ's principles even when not believing in Christ and I am here to tell Pastor Cal that's not how Christianity works...

Emily sure is all about telling Brennan he needs to change but I have not ever heard her ask him about any changes she should make.  I may have missed it, but it seems like she is not looking at herself, only him.  And where was Dr. Pia when one of the participants (I think maybe Clare) said she didn't know what she was feeling when Dr. Pia was quick to tell Brennan that he needed counseling if he couldn't identify what he was feeling?  

Austin actually has nice hair (IMO), so why is he always (and at times, inappropriately) wearing a backwards baseball cap with sunglasses on it?

Cam sure was quick to note that wanting a divorce and wanting to separate were the same thing when he and Clare answered Emily's question.  I think he was really looking for a way out thus proclaiming their marriage dead before anyone could disagree with his declaration that divorce and separation are the same thing.  But, as soon as he was seeking advice from Orion, I knew that he wanted out.  Orion of all people! 

The pressure will be on Michael as his marriage might be the only one going forward into the second (!?) half of the season.

[Lindz]

WTF was that huge bump near Orion's eye?!?!! I noticed swelling on the honeymoon, but WHAT IS THERE NOW????? 😳😬🤢

[Lindz]

Cam seemed off on the ski date & snippy when she directed him. That's a huge turn-off. Bad energy, bad mood is a major no-no. Why is she telling the camera he's off, but not addressing it with him? Seems she doesn't care to. He was checked out since the group meet after learning Orion quit. Cam & Clare's problem is they had their own approaches & wouldn't work together. That's what Emily was getting at. It's like Clare was confused & Cam just sat there waiting for her to get unconfused instead them working together to figure it out. I really want to know why he liked her. Just based off talking & being around each other? That's it? Doesn't make sense. Didn't look like Clare was trying either, just trying to coast through & Cam wouldn't let her.

[starlightlost]

2 hours ago, Empress1 said:

There was a moment when Austin and Becca were watching the video and Austin looked completely miserable, and then Becca turned to look at him and he slapped a fake smile on. I winced when I saw it.

There's been several of these moments. It's obvious that Austin is not happy but he's too nice to tell her that. Well, too nice except for the fact he told her he thought she was going to hell !?!? Lol WTF was that

[Retired at last]

I caught bits and pieces of this when I woke up and it was on again after midnight. I might try to watch today, just to understand the whole going to hell thing. It is hard to watch Becca's ever-dwindling hopes. But, Austin, at least seems to be affectionate (at least on camera or with the group). He is not afraid to touch her (well, completely clothed). 

I hate that Emily is still holding on to some kind of hope. They need to end it, as well. I wish she would stop making those goofy faces. She isn't happy, so stop trying to smile!

We used to think that couples would get an extra check if they said yes at D-Day and lasted until the reunion. This time, I don't know if any of them will even make it to D-Day! I am pretty sure the show can save the champagne this season. Or, maybe that's the new bar - champagne all around if they wait until D-Day to say they want a divorce!

Re: Cam and Clare. Seriously, they bring out Orion and Lauren for guidance????? WTH? At least with Michael coming back, that will probably be the last we have to use the losers as filler. At least I hope so. We will spend a lot of time with the new couple catching up for lost time. Their story is, at least, a little interesting. Last week, Cam was on the Afterparty and told how Clare was not nice to him at all, off camera. I did believe him. This week, Clare said that he never told her that he was attracted to her, even though he said it to everyone else. She also said that SHE had initiated sex at one point, and he rejected her. She said he said, "Eeewww," but when KNP followed up and asked if he really said that, she didn't answer. So, I believe Cam 100% and I still think Clare is a cold, manipulative shrew who thinks she is better than all of us. I don't believe her when she said she has cried a lot and I didn't believe her tears last night. She may be sad that it didn't work, but she is NOT sad at not being with him. He said that every time he has had enough and is ready to leave, she throws him a little bone, like, "I would miss you if you left." So, he stayed. Unlike Orion, I am 100% certain that Cam will have many, many options after this show. 

Whatever formula this show is using to select and match people needs to be overhauled. Completely. I wonder how many new viewers they are getting as they lose the longtime fans.

[Rightside]

Another boring episode!  Are they going drag out this season like they did last season?

Brennan is more bored than we are with this show!

Edited January 4 by Rightside

[LennieBriscoe]

I hope Cameron finds himself a lovely Kiwi cyclist!

 

[Retired at last]

5 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:

I hope Cameron finds himself a lovely Kiwi cyclist!

She doesn't have to be a Kiwi - she can be American! But, yes, he will find himself with many kind and lovely options.

[Shrek]

8 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

 

Secondly, if different religious beliefs were not an initial deal-breaker for Austin, then it should not become one as time goes on.  I am totally on the train that the show should NOT mismatch religious or political beliefs as well as the desire to have/not have children.  However, if Austin did not identify that marrying a Christian was a requirement, then he shouldn't add it as time goes on.  If he DID identify needing to marry a Christian, then shame on the show.  As a Christian, I dated Christians as well as non-Christians but was willing to compromise on certain issues.  What most surprised me about the religious discussion in this episode was Pastor Cal going off on Austin about his beliefs.  Pastor Cal emphasized the importance of following Christ's principles even when not believing in Christ and I am here to tell Pastor Cal that's not how Christianity works...

 

While I agree with almost everything here and not having watched yet your final sentence has me confused as I'm not sure what you're saying.

Is it that people who don't believe in christ shouldn't follow the principles of christianity or is christianity a closed shop whereby you have to believe in christ to be able to follow the principles of christianity? I can't decide if you mean one of those answers or something totally different like your version of  christianity is the only acceptable version of christianity and that any other version is not really being christian because you can't possibly be a christian any other way.  

I'm genuinely interested because it's very brave of you to say that a christian pastor doesn't know how christianity works. 

For the record I do not believe in christ in as much as I like to think I know right from wrong and that I don't have to believe in christ to act like a good christian would (if I was christian) in my day to day life. 

[Kiss my mutt]

If more people quit some of these hopeless relationships maybe the experts or producers, rather, would put more thought into selection, at least on the basics because the track record they’ve had hasn’t done it. I know they want the drama but it’s not satisfying to see most couples crash and burn every season. I wish they’d give the Australian version format a try. 

[seacliffsal]

22 minutes ago, Shrek said:

While I agree with almost everything here and not having watched yet your final sentence has me confused as I'm not sure what you're saying.

Is it that people who don't believe in christ shouldn't follow the principles of christianity or is christianity a closed shop whereby you have to believe in christ to be able to follow the principles of christianity? I can't decide if you mean one of those answers or something totally different like your version of  christianity is the only acceptable version of christianity and that any other version is not really being christian because you can't possibly be a christian any other way.  

I'm genuinely interested because it's very brave of you to say that a christian pastor doesn't know how christianity works. 

For the record I do not believe in christ in as much as I like to think I know right from wrong and that I don't have to believe in christ to act like a good christian would (if I was christian) in my day to day life. 

Sorry that my meaning wasn't clear.  Pastor Cal seemingly implied that there wasn't a difference between believing in Christ and not believing in him but following his principles/teachings.  There are many, many people who accept and follow the principles of loving our neighbors (as well as those we do not know), trying to do good to/for others, bring peace into the world, and other morals/values/teachings.  But, Jesus himself is clear (as well as multiple biblical references) that it is in accepting him as one's savior (believing in him as the son of God who came to redeem us) that makes one a Christian.  One may be a good person but that does not make one a Christian.  

I'm surprised that it seemed like I wrote that only my view of Christianity is acceptable as I did not intend to imply that nor do I see that when I reread the post.  Again, I apologize not being clear enough in my post.  And, as far as implying that a Christian pastor doesn't know about Christianity, sadly, the American Worldview Inventory of 2022 found that just 37% of pastors believe in God.  I have never doubted one's beliefs-whether Christian beliefs or those of other religions or atheism, but the Bible is pretty clear on who Jesus is and how one becomes a Christian. 

I actually think that Pastor Cal was trying to emphasize the similarity of Austin and Becca's values, but the way he framed it didn't quite convey that idea, at least to me. 

Hope this helps. 

[endure]

9 hours ago, kristen111 said:

They keep throwing in those stupid games to pass time.  No storylines anymore.  I don’t want to see roller skating or whatever they are doing.

Especially when they are faking it, she was pretending she didn't know how to skate it seemed, but she could skate from what I could tell.  I guess they all just want to be on TV?  I'm becoming too cynical, maybe time to bail another show for me.

[kristen111]

7 hours ago, Rightside said:

Another boring episode!  Are they going drag out this season like they did last season?

Brennan is more bored than we are with this show!

I think he wants a better job and went on this show just for exposure.  I don’t get the “im in this for the long haul”.  I think he’s full of it.  I actually felt sorry for her last night as he gives her nothing.  Zero personality.

[candall]

Wow, we are SO LUCKY that the Archangel Ballcap is on deck to let us know who's going to heaven and who's destined for hell.  What were the chances for celebrity casting of this magnitude?

 

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And again, whyyyyyy can the US producers not take a tip from MAFS-Australia?  When a couple breaks down beyond repair, they exit stage left and a new couple shows up for us to examine and pick apart.  Everything stays pretty fresh and you look forward to the next episode--no flogging these stumblebums who either loath their new partner or can barely keep the tears contained.

 

At least there's no outright monster this season, like that she-beast from a couple cycles past who kept showing up for the pot-lucks.  She still gives me the twisties.  

[Empress1]

16 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

I think he wants a better job and went on this show just for exposure.  I don’t get the “im in this for the long haul”.  I think he’s full of it.  I actually felt sorry for her last night as he gives her nothing.  Zero personality.

I don’t know about exposure, but it’s pretty obvious that he’s not in the marriage for the long haul. I think in the preview Emily asks him what he’s fought for (looks like they’re doing a Q&A assignment) and he said the marriage, which … don’t insult her intelligence, Brennan, damn. It doesn’t bother me that he doesn’t like Emily - as I’ve said, it happens that way sometimes - but fronting like he’s giving this his all when he literally can’t even touch her is a bit much.

[kristen111]

10 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

I don’t know about exposure, but it’s pretty obvious that he’s not in the marriage for the long haul. I think in the preview Emily asks him what he’s fought for (looks like they’re doing a Q&A assignment) and he said the marriage, which … don’t insult her intelligence, Brennan, damn. It doesn’t bother me that he doesn’t like Emily - as I’ve said, it happens that way sometimes - but fronting like he’s giving this his all when he literally can’t even touch her is a bit much.

Never mind touching her ..he always has that look of distain when near her.  Zero emotion.  I just can’t look at him anymore.  The last place he wants to be is with her.

[kristen111]

10 hours ago, Empress1 said:

Brennan: “I don’t want to touch you but I’ll give you a one-armed bro hug.

Go f..k yourself.

[princelina]

22 hours ago, kristen111 said:

Is this the same show we’ve been watching for years?  Horrible show tonight all around.  Waste of time.

 

22 hours ago, Retired at last said:

Actually, @kristen111, I think this show gets a little bit worse every season, because for the past several we have been saying that each season is the worst. Sounds like we will say it again.

I don't say that every year but I'm saying it this year!  These couples are all just so dreary.

 

22 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Both Becca and  Austin sound ignorant of the religions being discussed. 

And Pastor Cal!

 

21 hours ago, kristen111 said:

 Why is Lauren still on?  Orion too.

I assume because at the halfway point more than half of the couples have split, and they feel the need to show us something 😄

 

1 hour ago, Shrek said:

While I agree with almost everything here and not having watched yet your final sentence has me confused as I'm not sure what you're saying.

Is it that people who don't believe in christ shouldn't follow the principles of christianity or is christianity a closed shop whereby you have to believe in christ to be able to follow the principles of christianity? I can't decide if you mean one of those answers or something totally different like your version of  christianity is the only acceptable version of christianity and that any other version is not really being christian because you can't possibly be a christian any other way.  

I'm genuinely interested because it's very brave of you to say that a christian pastor doesn't know how christianity works. 

For the record I do not believe in christ in as much as I like to think I know right from wrong and that I don't have to believe in christ to act like a good christian would (if I was christian) in my day to day life. 

The point of Biblical Christianity is that we are all sinners who are separated from God and deserve punishment (hell).  Since we are unable to obey all of God's laws, Jesus came to earth, lived a sinless life and died on the cross, thereby taking our punishment so that we can go free.  We need to turn from our sins and believe in Him to be reconciled with God and go to heaven.  This is what the Bible teaches.  The Old Testament Jewish sacrifices were put in place to teach them about the penalty for sins, which is why John the Baptist called Jesus the "Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world."  Now the conflict in modern Christianity is whether you have a high view of the Bible (the Word of God) or a low view (written by men with useful stories for us).  It sounds like Austin was raised with the first, Pastor Cal seems to be aligned with the second.  To me - since the Bible tells us who God and Jesus are, if you call yourself a Christian you should believe it.  If you want to change it to something that makes you feel better about yourself then you are practicing a different religion.  As a pastor, a counselor and an "expert", IMO Cal should be exploring with Becca why she is so upset that someone might believe she is going to a place she claims not to believe in.

Speaking of the "experts" - I loved that the first thing they did when convening to talk about Michael was pat themselves on the back and assure themselves it was totally not their fault 🤣. I loved even more when Michael's friend told him if he was getting involved again he should question how they were going to adjust their matching process!😂  For the record, I have been married for 17 years and to this day we have no idea what each others' underpants drawer looks like!  (Unless Mr P is up to no good when I'm out hee hee 😄). Yet somehow we make it work!

[Hip-to-be-Square]

    I hated the steak dinner outfits- the girls are dressed like they're going to a Real Housewives of New Jersey reunion and the guys look like they just waited in line at the DMV or washed their cars.  

    Why is Becca so bent out of shape over some backwards baseball cap guy telling her she's potentially going to hell? I genuinely think that Austin isn't that into her and he's using religion as a way to get out of the marriage.   Lastly, Michael is the type of guy who is very eclectic, and a specific woman really has to understand and see beforehand to date, let alone marry- he's rocking serial killer eyeglasses, loud Lula Roe style floral joggers and penny loafers.  Get the man a hairstylist and a personal stylist, MAFS!

Edited January 7 by Hip-to-be-Square

[Elizzikra]

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Never mind touching her ..he always has that look of distain when near her.  Zero emotion.  I just can’t look at him anymore.  The last place he wants to be is with her.

He looks like he can't stand to even be in the same room with her.

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IMO Cal should be exploring with Becca why she is so upset that someone might believe she is going to a place she claims not to believe in.

I thought she explained it pretty well; that she feels like Austin thinks she is "less than" because he believes that she would go to hell and he would not. I understand why she is upset and how she can be upset even though she doesn't believe in hell.

[princelina]

1 hour ago, Hip-to-be-Square said:

Why is Becca so bent out of shape over some backwards baseball cap guy telling her she's potentially going to hell? I genuinely think that Austin isn't that into her and he's using religion as a way to potentially get out of the marriage.  

To me it seems to be her issue - she brought it up saying something like "Christians always tell me I'm going to hell" when he didn't seem to be saying that or bothered by it.  She brought it up with his atheist friend, who said he didn't think Austin really cares.  Now when she brings it up again he says he doesn't really think he believes it, it's just what he's taught.  She wants him to discuss it with others and commit to doing it soon!  I fell like she is not going to be happy unless/until he tells her that he absolutely, positively knows she will not!

[Lindz]

Michael's friend sure had some big talk about the experts' failure in picking the right person. I don't completely agree it's their fault. Apparently the bride did a good job hiding this possibility. 🤷‍♀️ Idk if it's worse than other participants who acted a damn fool after the wedding. I guess that would've been more predictable so that failure's worse than a runaway bride. The timing is very curious. Already a month in, are we finally gunna get a cast pic even though half the couples are already out? 🤣 Are they really using weird mouth from last season as this season's pic?

[Hip-to-be-Square]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

To me it seems to be her issue - she brought it up saying something like "Christians always tell me I'm going to hell" when he didn't seem to be saying that or bothered by it.  She brought it up with his atheist friend, who said he didn't think Austin really cares.  Now when she brings it up again he says he doesn't really think he believes it, it's just what he's taught.  She wants him to discuss it with others and commit to doing it soon!  I fell like she is not going to be happy unless/until he tells her that he absolutely, positively knows she will not!

I definitely agree.  Becca seems to have a lot of religious hang ups and trauma around religion- she might have a phobia of religion or is hoping that Austin sees Christianity as a hobby rather than a major belief system.  Becca needs a lot of reassurance, and it might wear on Austin in the long run to have to comfort her and build her up all of the time.  I've noticed that she seems to compliment him in order to receive compliments back.  I wish that this show would require couples to videotape their major fights before or after they have to report for filming each day.  I'd understand more about how each person handles conflict and the fights would be interesting to watch and analyze.  

[Yeah No]

4 hours ago, princelina said:

To me it seems to be her issue - she brought it up saying something like "Christians always tell me I'm going to hell" when he didn't seem to be saying that or bothered by it.  She brought it up with his atheist friend, who said he didn't think Austin really cares.  Now when she brings it up again he says he doesn't really think he believes it, it's just what he's taught.  She wants him to discuss it with others and commit to doing it soon!  I fell like she is not going to be happy unless/until he tells her that he absolutely, positively knows she will not!

Ding, ding, ding, this is EXACTLY my take on it.  It took me a while to figure it out because Becca was acting like Austin told her she was going to hell, but he did NOT tell her she's going to hell.  In fact, Austin doesn't even know what he believes about heaven and hell because he's obviously not that religious and hasn't even thought it through.  All he told her is that he was brought up to believe that without accepting Christ people go to hell but he doesn't know what he himself believes, AND that no matter where she went after death he would love her just the same.   I actually thought that was a loving thing to say, but she twisted it around to be negative.  I mean, WTF ELSE does she expect from him?  Now she's acting like he'd better figure out what he believes because it's THAT important to her.  Meanwhile he obviously doesn't even MIND that she's an agnostic and admittedly doesn't know how she feels about God and religion in general one way or the other.  But she can't be patient with HIM about what HE isn't sure about concerning religion!  And she doesn't even see the contraction in there.  Why would someone that was that accepting of her uncertainty himself be that judgmental?  It doesn't make any sense!  I could see Pastor Cal scratching his head about this.  It's so ridiculous.

In my opinion she's looking for trouble.  She senses he's not 100% committed to her and is looking for the reason why.  It's triggering her religious baggage about being Jewish and being judged and rejected by Christians and it's making her afraid that Austin is holding back from being 100% committed to her and having sex with her because she's Jewish.  But Austin is not one of those judgmental Christians and that is not the reason he is holding back, I am sure of that! 

I'm afraid that if he doesn't find a way to reassure her that he's that committed to her for the long haul (like by having sex with her) she's going to sabotage their relationship one way or the other.  In anticipation of what she thinks will be his eventual rejection she is going to find a deal-breaking reason there's something wrong wit him and/or he's not what she wants even if it's one she has to invent!  I do think she has reason to be concerned about why he seems to be holding back somewhat, like with the sex, but THIS is not the reason for it, and if they don't find a way to address the REAL issue I fear they could fall apart completely.

[Yeah No]

One more thought - Austin brought up that his church accepts gay people but teaches that people have to accept Christ to go to heaven.  I know that there are many different churches and even factions within protestant Christian churches that believe any number of different things on these points, but one thing I am pretty sure of is that if a church is liberal enough to accept openly gay people it is usually liberal enough to accept that there is a path to heaven that doesn't necessarily have to include a conscious acceptance of Christ.  Pastor Cal was even alluding to that - that if a person lives a just life and believes in values that are also taught in Christianity they would go to heaven anyway whether or not they accepted Jesus Christ as their savior.  So even Pastor Cal is liberal enough to accept that.   

Personally I think Austin is completely confused and doesn't even know what his church teaches and accepts, and how it accepts it.  Even the Roman Catholic church has come out within the past decade to say that it allows for the potential salvation of Jews, although the Pope didn't really specify why and it has been called a divine mystery.   While I think Becca is overreacting to this issue because of her own fears and baggage, I do think Austin should get clear on this for his own reasons and if it helps to reassure her that he's not judging her that way, all the better. 

I was brought up in the Episcopal church and majored in Theology and Philosophy as an undergrad. and I know my church wholeheartedly accepts gay people and has had openly gay bishops for a few decades now (at least the mainstream liberal faction of the faith does, not sure about the segment that is more conservative).  I also know it accepts the potential salvation of Jews.  And my church is one of the most socially and often theologically liberal protestant churches out there.  So I am pretty sure Austin is confused and it's only feeding into Becca's insecurity over him in general.

[SummerDreams]

Regarding Clare and Cam: I'm glad that Cam decided it's time to stop this theatre and let go. Clare's lips bother me so much, if they are her natural one I'm sorry for her but if she's had implants oh my god I want to scream at the screen when I see them.

Regarding Austin and Becca: I know that Austin cares for Becca but I find it unhuman to say these kind of things to a woman who just had surgery and she has said she is in constant pain. I mean, be more sensitive man. You have learnt that if someone doesn't follow Jesus they go to hell, fuck this, you can't ruin your marriage for a stupid belief that nobody knows is true and mostly you can't make such a good person sad because of this. If I were Becca's mom I'd be in that house and I'd drag her out of there, because she has gone and still goes through so much and she doesn't deserve to be treated like that for BS in my eyes. Shame on you Austin.

Regarding Emily and Brennan: Read the room Emily. He is not that into you. Send him to his mom.

Regarding Michael: He seems like a good person but I don't know, we've seen people pretending to be nice on camera and people who have gone 180 in two episodes so lets wait and see.

[SummerDreams]

11 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

I wish they’d give the Australian version format a try. 

Which is>?

[Empress1]

12 hours ago, Hip-to-be-Square said:

Lastly, Michael is the type of guy who a very eclectic and specific woman really has to understand and see beforehand to date, let alone marry

I said this when he was first on. He, like San Diego Mitch the environmentalist, is a very specific type who needs a very specific type. I think Michael even said “I know I’m a lot,” or something to that effect. A lot of the people they match are kind of basic (and I don’t mean that as an insult), but when they get someone who isn’t, they have to pair them with someone on the same wavelength. New Orleans Amelia and Bennett were a good match even though they ultimately didn’t work out. Michael needs a pairing like that.

[Hip-to-be-Square]

10 hours ago, Empress1 said:

I said this when he was first on. He, like San Diego Mitch the environmentalist, is a very specific type who needs a very specific type. I think Michael even said “I know I’m a lot,” or something to that effect. A lot of the people they match are kind of basic (and I don’t mean that as an insult), but when they get someone who isn’t, they have to pair them with someone on the same wavelength. New Orleans Amelia and Bennett were a good match even though they ultimately didn’t work out. Michael needs a pairing like that.

I completely agree! Michael should've told the experts to screw off when they asked him to go back onto this show.  He has a very flamboyant, colorful type of style and a personality that's probably an acquired taste- it won't be easy for him to find a wife- but he should try to find her on his own without this show.  I predict that his second chance won't work out.  This show is the definition of "settling".  I'm in my 30's, unmarried and I find dating apps to be annoying sometimes, but I am an amazing catch in every regard, and I'll be dammed if I ever let some sleazy tv "experts" pick a man for me out of a file of leftover, lackluster men.  These women should drop their guys, update their dating profiles and move on from these shit show marriages. 🏃‍♀️🛅🚫💍👨‍🦱  And Brennan should ride off into the sunset forever with Gucci the horse 😄.

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And Brennan should ride off into the sunsetforever with Gucci the horse 😄.

He put way more effort into his relationship with Gucci than he ever has his relationship with Emily.

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On 1/3/2024 at 10:27 PM, endure said:

     Did they say they are only half way through this season earlier? Not sure they will even get through at this point.  Maybe that's why they are offering up another chance for Michael.

Yeah, and with the couples dropping like flies they have to find more usable footage to justify all the ad space they sold!

At this point, forget a penalty for dropping out, they need to offer a prize for sticking WITH the season!

On 1/4/2024 at 8:42 PM, Hip-to-be-Square said:

 I genuinely think that Austin isn't that into her and he's using religion as a way to get out of the marriage.

Yes, I thought that too.  He might be acting more unsure about how he feels about heaven and hell because he knows it's a deal breaker for her, so if he can say she can't accept his religious beliefs he can put that responsibility on her and more easily slide of it without looking like a total creep.

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Lastly, Michael is the type of guy who a very eclectic and specific woman really has to understand and see beforehand to date, let alone marry- he's rocking serial killer eyeglasses, loud Lula Roe style floral joggers and penny loafers.  Get the man a hairstylist and a personal stylist, MAFS!

Yes, and judging from the brief clip of the woman they've chosen for him, she  seems too conservative in her appearance and general mannerisms to be that open to his very offbeat style, and (forgive the shallowness) in my opinion is out of his league appearance-wise.  Now I know that's a lot to jump to based on very little so she may surprise me and be quite accepting of him (which would be great), but I'm not going to put even a penny on that.  They clearly chose her because she was ready for anything on a moment's notice and they desperately needed another couple to put the focus on now that they are down to only two that are both on shaky ground at best only half way through the season.

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2 hours ago, Yeah No said:

 

Yeah, and with the couples dropping like flies they have to find more usable footage to justify all the ad space they sold!

At this point, forget a penalty for dropping out, they need to offer a prize for sticking WITH the season!

Yes, I thought that too.  He might be acting more unsure about how he feels about heaven and hell because he knows it's a deal breaker for her, so if he can say she can't accept his religious beliefs he can put that responsibility on her and more easily slide of it without looking like a total creep.

Yes, and judging from the brief clip of the woman they've chosen for him, she  seems too conservative in her appearance and general mannerisms to be that open to his very offbeat style, and (forgive the shallowness) in my opinion is out of his league appearance-wise.  Now I know that's a lot to jump to based on very little so she may surprise me and be quite accepting of him (which would be great), but I'm not going to put even a penny on that.  They clearly chose her because she was ready for anything on a moment's notice and they desperately needed another couple to put the focus on now that they are down to only two that are both on shaky ground at best only half way through the season.

I don't actually remember seeing the woman they chose for Michael, I was probably dosing or looking for some snacks.  But I would not expect them to find a suitable match for anyone at this point.  I did think they were bringing him back awfully late in the show and I think you probably are right, they are losing so much ground with their failures they are maybe just getting desperate to keep their sponsors and their viewers.  They are losing in all directions here.

I really had to laugh at Pepper exclaiming how they have NEVER had anyone left at the altar in 17??? (whatever she said) seasons..... like they are always perfect  - oh yeah, lol.