S08.E22: Clip Show

[Demented Daisy]

Sam and Dean try to figure out how to cure a demon. Crowley starts killing victims that Sam and Dean have saved from previous jobs. Castiel and Metatron begin the trials to close the gates to Heaven.

 

 

Getting down to the finish line and, for crying out loud, could they have crammed more into this episode?  That description sounds like three different episodes -- which, IMO, it could easily have been.

[DittyDotDot]

As a concept, this wasn't a bad idea of how to do a clip show, but I just don't know with all the stupid in the end. Cas is a dupe for going with Marvatron, I think we all knew that was going to end badly, and the less said about the nephilium story the better. Sam and Dean are dupes for leaving Abaddon alone with her hands and allowing Crowley to get under their skin. I just don't know...I will say that I love Alaina Huffman and Mark Sheppard was freakin' perfectly dastardly demonic. Now that's what the King Of Hell should be like. Yeah, I agree DD, too much going on to really do it properly.

[DittyDotDot]

Yeah, what I said above. I'll only add that watching Abaddon dig a bullet out of her noggin is much more entertaining if you sing The Addams Family theme while it plays.  ::snap, snap::  Hee!  Okay, I'll also add that Abaddon's smudged lipstick is something rather beautiful, too. ;)

[Goldmoon]

I worry about Cas's noodle now.  He didn't even take the beer, jerky and porn to Dean, did he?  I was looking forward to that conversation.  He should have learned by now to check with Dean and Sam whenever someone tries to recruit him.  Silly wabbit.  Yeah, Cas, if killing an innocent girl seems wrong, it IS wrong.  Fool.

[Commando Cody]

This episode has always bothered in that Sam and Dean never got rid of Abaddon in the first place.  Since she was all in pieces, they didn't even need to get all of her body parts out of the trunk.  Was it ever explained as to why they still had her?

 

It really was pretty predictable after Sam and Dean left the room that she was going to put herself back together.  

 

I didn't really have any other issues with this episode except for Cas taking up with Marv.  

[DittyDotDot]

This episode has always bothered in that Sam and Dean never got rid of Abaddon in the first place.  Since she was all in pieces, they didn't even need to get all of her body parts out of the trunk.  Was it ever explained as to why they still had her?

 

If I remember correctly, they said they buried her at the end of the episode where they put the devil's trap bullet in her head. They couldn't kill the demon--because she was a knight of hell and too powerful--so they trapped her inside Josie's head and buried her parts separately. I just assumed they dug her up.

Edited July 1, 2015 by DittyDotDot

[RulerofallIsurvey]

Clip show random observations:

• At least Sam was being honest about how bad he felt this episode, so that was refreshing.
• They just now found the dungeon?  How long have they been at this bunker and they haven’t thoroughly explored every door/floor/cupboard/secret passageway yet?  That would have been first on my list.  Okay, after figuring out the utilities, which I’m guessing they still haven’t done.  Ignorance is bliss fellas?
• Speaking of…Pot calling Kettle Black there with Dean and Cas.  Cause the Winchesters have NEVER screwed up while doing what they thought was the right thing, amiright?
• Wait, earlier this season, it was all, Sammy let me down, I can't trust Sammy,  Sammy didn't look for me, The only one who has never let me down is my bestest BFF ever Benny, and now it’s all ‘Even banged up, Sammy comes through’?  Give me a break.
• I wanted to laugh at the priest’s ‘He is?’ about Sam, cause so true.  But it wasn’t actually funny.   
• Cas shopping.  Where was he at?  Mountain in the background threw me off.  If he was anywhere near the fictional location of the bunker…well…he wasn’t.  It’s pretty flat in the middle of Kansas. 
• I guess he trying to suck up to Dean with the porn and pie.
• Dude. Don’t trust the skeezy short angel who only wants a good story.
• So when you cure a demon, it’s still in the human meatsuit?  What about the poor innocent soul it possessed?  Yeah, never mind about that.  They're not important at all, are they?
• Seriously?  They want to test the hoo-doo on Abaddon?  Uh,no.  You don’t learn to drive on an 18-wheeler.  Start smaller, boys.  Get a Prius first.
• How did Cas even know for sure that the waitress was Nephilim?  Shouldn’t he have gotten proof?
• Why didn’t boys sew Abaddon back together in the dungeon?  You know, inside the devil’s trap? 
• They both walk out?  Leave no one to watch the Knight of Hell?  Not too smart.
• Abaddon is creepy as shit.  Very Joker.  Although that whole thing did remind me of a ghost story we used to tell when I was a kid: The Hand That Walked By Itself.  Always got a good scream out of the intended audience.
• Were those Amish hex signs on the outside of the barn/wherever they were?  If so, would Abaddon really have been able to leave?  I think one of them was for protection against evil.  Just sayin'.
• I liked the revisiting of some of the old cases.  I especially like that the guys actually remember the people’s names.  I did not like that they killed Sarah though.
• How sweet that Sarah just trusted Sam and Dean with an ‘Okay.’  Cause they’d protected her before.
• Was Sam thinking for a moment that could have been his daughter if he’d stuck around?  He seemed a little sad for what he missed out on.
• So Sarah thinks Sam seems like he knows what he wants now?  And what exactly is that?  I'd like a little clarification, please.  Would that be a normal life like the beginning of the season?   Or hunting like he’s doing?  I’m confused.
• Where was the hex bag?  In the phone?  Was that Sarah's phone?  (I could buy that.)  But if it was Sam or Dean's - how did it get there?

Geesh.  Too many questions at the end of the ep.  I don't like being left with more questions than answers.

[DittyDotDot]

22 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

They just now found the dungeon?  How long have they been at this bunker and they haven’t thoroughly explored every door/floor/cupboard/secret passageway yet?  That would have been first on my list.  Okay, after figuring out the utilities, which I’m guessing they still haven’t done.  Ignorance is bliss fellas?

Just wait,

Spoiler

they find the garage in S9...like six months after they moved in, but Dean's "nesting", ya know.

 I'm not kidding about the brain damage due to all the blows to the head, folks! ;)

25 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

So when you cure a demon, it’s still in the human meatsuit?  What about the poor innocent soul it possessed?  Yeah, never mind about that.  They're not important at all, are they?

Oh, don't even get me started on all the problems with curing a demon...as though being a demon is a disease one can cure in the first place. Sigh.

28 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Seriously?  They want to test the hoo-doo on Abaddon?  Uh,no.  You don’t learn to drive on an 18-wheeler.  Start smaller, boys.  Get a Prius first.

Yeah, it's not like they don't know how to summon a lesser demon or as though they didn't do that a couple episodes back or anything. 

30 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Where was the hex bag?  In the phone?  Was that Sarah's phone?  (I could buy that.)  But if it was Sam or Dean's - how did it get there?

I'm not sure now, but for some reason I thought it was the motel room phone. Which I only bought into because Crowley had told them where to go. It looked like one of those cordless landline phones, though, not a cell phone. Do motels have those kinds of phones? 

[pixelcat]

1 hour ago, DittyDotDot said:

2 hours ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Where was the hex bag?  In the phone?  Was that Sarah's phone?  (I could buy that.)  But if it was Sam or Dean's - how did it get there?

I'm not sure now, but for some reason I thought it was the motel room phone. Which I only bought into because Crowley had told them where to go. It looked like one of those cordless landline phones, though, not a cell phone. Do motels have those kinds of phones? 

This is exactly where I thought it was as well, in a cordless handset motel phone.  And I guess they do where she was staying!

[RulerofallIsurvey]

2 hours ago, DittyDotDot said:

I'm not sure now, but for some reason I thought it was the motel room phone. Which I only bought into because Crowley had told them where to go. It looked like one of those cordless landline phones, though, not a cell phone. Do motels have those kinds of phones? 

3 minutes ago, pixelcat said:

This is exactly where I thought it was as well, in a cordless handset motel phone.  And I guess they do where she was staying!

 

Oh, okay, in the motel phone/cordless handset makes much more sense than in one of their cells.  I just thought it looked small for a landline phone.  

And No, motels don't usually have those kinds of phones - too easy for people to walk off with them, or throw them against the wall and break them, you know?  :)  Even nicer "motels" probably wouldn't have cordless handsets.  A hotel maybe, but not a motel.

[pixelcat]

I really like the Sarah part of this, how accepting she is of everything, love Dean's entrance, and her missing the old haircut.  But about those hex bags... aren't they proximity-related?  Based on what we've seen before, that the witch has to hide it somewhere in the room of the intended victim, I would say yes.  So once Sarah started choking, and Crowley talks about witchcraft, why wouldn't they have her strip, wrap her in a blanket, and get Sam to drive her to the hospital?  It looked like her throat closed up so she couldn't breathe, and even if distance didn't help (or help that much), the hospital could've gotten around that and bought some time to find the bag.  In the meantime, Dean could've torched the place, burning the bag in the process.

I'm just sad they killed Sarah.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

On 7/19/2016 at 8:49 AM, pixelcat said:

I really like the Sarah part of this, how accepting she is of everything, love Dean's entrance, and her missing the old haircut.  But about those hex bags... aren't they proximity-related?  Based on what we've seen before, that the witch has to hide it somewhere in the room of the intended victim, I would say yes.  So once Sarah started choking, and Crowley talks about witchcraft, why wouldn't they have her strip, wrap her in a blanket, and get Sam to drive her to the hospital?  It looked like her throat closed up so she couldn't breathe, and even if distance didn't help (or help that much), the hospital could've gotten around that and bought some time to find the bag.  In the meantime, Dean could've torched the place, burning the bag in the process.

I'm just sad they killed Sarah.

I loved, loved, LOVED Dean's entrance!  His smile and nonchalant, Hi Sarah.  It makes me grin just thinking of it.  

Gah - such a good point about just getting her out of the room instead of spending time looking for the bag while she choked.  

One of the things I'm most upset about why they killed Sarah is that she left a one year old daughter behind.  I wonder if the writers even thought about that when they killed her off.  Did they add that bit about her daughter to make her death even more poignant?  (Because killing off one of the people the boys actually saved wouldn't have been enough in and of itself?)  It nearly parallels Sam losing his mother so young.  I don't think that Sam necessarily thought of that - but I wonder if the audience was supposed to, or if it was just more of a throwaway part of her life after Sam.

[Dobian]

Uh guys, how about you draw a second demon trap under Abbadon as a backup, and maybe, I don't know, always have one of you in the room guarding her?

[DittyDotDot]

5 hours ago, Dobian said:

Uh guys, how about you draw a second demon trap under Abbadon as a backup, and maybe, I don't know, always have one of you in the room guarding her?

Yeah, it's not like she's a Knight of Hell and might be able to do all sorts of things they've never considered or anything.

Brain damage... . ;)

Edited August 4, 2016 by DittyDotDot
Because Brian damage really isn't the same thing as brain damage. ;)

[RulerofallIsurvey]

5 hours ago, Dobian said:

Uh guys, how about you draw a second demon trap under Abbadon as a backup, and maybe, I don't know, always have one of you in the room guarding her?

 

4 hours ago, DittyDotDot said:

Yeah, it's not like she's a Knight of Hell and might be able to do all sorts of things they've never considered or anything.

Brian damage... . ;)

Right?  RIGHT!? [smacks head on desk].

[trxr4kids]

I had Brian damage in the 90's it's serious business ; )

[RulerofallIsurvey]

LOL!!  Thanks for the laugh!  Good catch. (I guess we all see what we want to see.) 

[DittyDotDot]

5 hours ago, trxr4kids said:

I had Brian damage in the 90's it's serious business ; )

I'm sorry to hear that @trxr4kids, it does sound serious! Might even be worse than brain damage. ;)

[catrox14]

@trxr4kids  Which Brian was it? Brian Austin Green? I'll bet it was. I hope that wasn't too personal ;P

[trxr4kids]

LOL nope just a cheating liar who lies nobody. I was cured with a few gallons of ice cream and sad break up music.  ; ) It probably helped that he ended up cheating on the girl who he cheated on me with and we formed a bizarre friendship.

[catrox14]

LOL I have a similar story over a Jason.

Sidebar true story. I dated 3 Jasons, one seriously (lived together). After he broke my heart,  I swore I would never date another Jason unless the moment I saw him, I knew I would marry him. I met a guy in a bar named Jason and he was all into me and I said NOPE. No more Jasons. He laughed and bought me a drink anyway. So it because a running joke amongst my family and friends.

The worst irony? When my grand-nephew was born, my nephew called me and apologized for naming him Jason but it was always his favorite name for a boy. He gave me permission to call him J.

[DittyDotDot]

Man, I'm getting close to the end of S8...so close I can almost smell the faint sense of victory just around the corner!

I don't know why, but I think I liked this episode much more this time around. Sure, there's still a whole lotta stupid going on, but I really got engaged in the mystery of how to cure a demon at the beginning of the episode. Despite it being the stupidest thing ever!

There's also the added benefit of me finally solving my own mystery of where I've seen the actress who played Jenny Klein before. I do so enjoy this game! (In case anyone was really all that curious, the actress who played Jenny Klein back in S7 is also on a regular on sappy Canadian family show called Heartland. Shut up! It's the horses people, sheesh! ;) )

Anyhoo, I really wonder if Dabb has ever watched Provenance or S1 considering I do find most of what Sarah says to Sam really suspect, especially:

On 7/17/2016 at 5:04 PM, RulerofallIsurvey said:

So Sarah thinks Sam seems like he knows what he wants now?  And what exactly is that?  I'd like a little clarification, please.  Would that be a normal life like the beginning of the season?   Or hunting like he’s doing?  I’m confused.

Yeah, I don't get that at all. IMO, Sam seemed to know what it was he wanted in S1. Now he seems to latch on to whatever comes his way rather than having a sense of what he actually wants. And her comment about him being more confident just didn't jive with me considering how much Sam seems to not trust his instincts and/or second guesses himself since the whole Ruby debacle. Plus, I also don't really agree about the hair. ;)

[catrox14]

Sam not looking for Dean was roundly rejected and disapproved of by most viewers AFAIK. And as such IMO they had to find some way to jump start Sam's redemption and having sweet Sarah, the girl from s1 whom  he briefly romanced and helped him move on after Jessica's death; the girl who really liked and respected Sam but thought he was conflicted but  NOW she sees that he's changed and if Sarah approves then the audience will forgive Sam's choice to not look for Dean or Kevin.  I don't know that it worked. It didn't for me.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

On 9/12/2016 at 11:21 PM, DittyDotDot said:

Yeah, I don't get that at all. IMO, Sam seemed to know what it was he wanted in S1. 

I don't really agree that Sam knew what he wanted in S1.   I mean, yes and no.  On the one hand, he seemed to be just following Dean's lead.  Now, granted, it's been awhile since I binged S1, so maybe I've forgotten more than I've retained from it.  I mean, yes, he knew he wanted to find the YED, but after that?  As far as what he wanted to do with his life in the long run?  I'm not sure he was so sure.  Eh - he may have had an idea.  But for that moment, like I said, he seemed to be just following Dean's lead.  

On 9/12/2016 at 11:21 PM, DittyDotDot said:

Now he seems to latch on to whatever comes his way rather than having a sense of what he actually wants.

Gah, this is a perfect way of putting it.  I didn't even realize this was the case until you wrote it.  But this is it exactly.   

On 9/12/2016 at 11:21 PM, DittyDotDot said:

And her comment about him being more confident just didn't jive with me considering how much Sam seems to not trust his instincts and/or second guesses himself since the whole Ruby debacle. Plus, I also don't really agree about the hair. ;)

Maybe he just seemed more confident in his abilities/knowledge?  Not instincts.  Which, he should considering all the more years experience he has under his belt now.  

On 9/12/2016 at 11:21 PM, DittyDotDot said:

Plus, I also don't really agree about the hair. ;)

Oh, now them's fightin' words!  ;)  I miss earlier seasons Sam hair.  Maybe not S1 with the bangs.  But S3 and 4...sigh.  S5 was maybe the best.  Some of S8 looked decent, but mostly he needed a good trim.  But even the worst S8 hair was not as bad as 9 and 10...ick, blech, [shiver]....

[catrox14]

Re Sams hair;

Gotta say I totally disagree that Sams s9 hair was worse than s8.i thought his s9 hair was a good  length, had nice layers so it flowed nicely when he ran. It got awkward around episode 18 but then it looked nice again for the finale. S10 hair looked good slicked back or wet. But dry? I can't even.

[DittyDotDot]

1 hour ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

I don't really agree that Sam knew what he wanted in S1.   I mean, yes and no.  On the one hand, he seemed to be just following Dean's lead.  Now, granted, it's been awhile since I binged S1, so maybe I've forgotten more than I've retained from it.  I mean, yes, he knew he wanted to find the YED, but after that?  As far as what he wanted to do with his life in the long run?  I'm not sure he was so sure.  Eh - he may have had an idea.  But for that moment, like I said, he seemed to be just following Dean's lead.  

Sam was pretty straightforward throughout S1 that he wanted to go back to law school and have a normal life after they found what killed Jessica. Just like John, hunting was a temporary gig until he could get his vengeance and get back to his life. So, he was just following Dean from one job to the next in S1. 

S2 had Sam committing to hunting more, at first to honor John, but after the revelations at the end of the season it seemed Sam decided there was no getting out for him. IMO, after that Sam hunted because he felt he had no choice. I think one reason he got himself in so deep in S4 was partially due to him not giving a shit anymore and figured he'd either finish it and give himself a choice or die trying and not have to worry about it anymore. S5 and S6 seemed to be Sam hunting more to fix things he'd broken, both with Dean and the world.

I think S7 had Sam fully commit to the life, though. That's why his sudden want for a normal life again in S8 was so jarring to me. I now look back on it as Sam floundering and didn't know what he wanted anymore now that Dean was dead. He kept looking at different options--going back to college, staying with Amelia, getting back on the road with Dean, become a Man of Letters--but didn't seem to really commit to any of them. So, yeah, I'm not sure what Sarah was seeing in Sam that said he knew what he wanted. 

1 hour ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Oh, now them's fightin' words!  ;)  I miss earlier seasons Sam hair.  Maybe not S1 with the bangs.  But S3 and 4...sigh.  S5 was maybe the best.  Some of S8 looked decent, but mostly he needed a good trim.  But even the worst S8 hair was not as bad as 9 and 10...ick, blech, [shiver]....

TBH, I don't really pay attention to Sam's hair, I can't say I can pinpoint a time where I'd say his hair looked good. The mutton chops did get pretty bad and were hard not to notice, though. ;)

[catrox14]

7 hours ago, DittyDotDot said:

o, yeah, I'm not sure what Sarah was seeing in Sam that said he knew what he wanted. 

Yeah I didn't see what she saw either but to me they needed someone ostensibly more objective to make the case for Sam.

[bettername2come]

Poor Wendigo guy. He was smart enough to at least remember what he knew about Wendigos. If he's known more, he probably could've survived. Dean gets so snippy when his loved ones betray him. "Even banged up, Sammy comes through." Seriously, can he not insult somebody without claiming your other partners are better? Any other season this would be yes. I do like Dean having faith in Sam regarding the trials in their scene at the church. Well, I hate Abaddon, but at least she acknowledges Dean's pretty green eyes. Abaddon pulling a Thing was clever and weird. I'd forgotten they killed baking girl. I like Sarah. I think the actress has improved since her first appearance. I too miss the old haircut, Sarah. Killing Sarah and the whole "undo their good work" plot is what keeps me from liking Crowley the way so many people so, even though I love Mark Sheppard's performances. The hex bag being in the phone is a good twist of the knife. He had to know Dean would break the phone in frustration. 

[Hanahope]

I was wondering why they even bothered digging up Abaddon's hands.  Why not leave them buried?  And yeah, double safe with trap below her or above her.

i hated Crowley  killing people they had  previously saved.  I guess the writers had to really get Crowley back to irredeemable.

[Wayward Son]

I have mixed thoughts on this one. I enjoyed the Sam and Dean plotline with Crowley. Season 8, and in particular his speech towards the end of this episode, is one of the rare few times Crowley comes across as a legitimately scary enemy to deal with. It was also great to see Sarah again although I wished they hadn’t killed her off :(

 

As for Cas, this was (unfortunately) a pretty standard Dabb episode. We got to see idiot Cas (threatens the poor shop worker instead of just teleporting to another for pie) and we got to see gullible Cas who does terrible things “for the right reason”. 

On 13/08/2017 at 3:41 AM, bettername2come said:

Dean gets so snippy when his loved ones betray him. "Even banged up, Sammy comes through." Seriously, can he not insult somebody without claiming your other partners are better?

Sadly not because S8 Dean = Complete and utter douche bag! 

Edited October 25, 2017 by Wayward Son

[Myrelle]

On ‎8‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 10:41 PM, bettername2come said:

Dean gets so snippy when his loved ones betray him. "Even banged up, Sammy comes through."

Taking my comment to the writers thread.

Edited October 25, 2017 by Myrelle

[Iju]

"I'm sexting you an address." GOD i can't hate crowley. i love the way he talks most of all, the phrases he uses, the words he decides on. to be fair i have always loved how the demon's flirty attitude towards the winchester have been since they existed. i live for it.

the hex bag finally showed made my body slump and jaw drop. what a way to drop the bomb. 

On 8/12/2017 at 10:41 PM, bettername2come said:

 Dean gets so snippy when his loved ones betray him. "Even banged up, Sammy comes through." Seriously, can he not insult somebody without claiming your other partners are better? Any other season this would be yes. I do like Dean having faith in Sam regarding the trials in their scene at the church. Well, I hate Abaddon, but at least she acknowledges Dean's pretty green eyes.

dean has clear abandonment problems, i'm sure. but he really needs to wrap that up tight and try not to freak out when something appears to have him left behind. it's not healthy for him and the guilt he lays on others just isn't cool either. he really laid on the guilt this season, which originally he feels in the first place.

and i don't believe dean's eyes are green, that is not officially. they constantly change according to the lighting jensen is in. i think he has sectoral heterochromia. maybe their "default" color is green.

[The Companion]

Another overstuffed episode with nonsensical choices, but with less heart. I am really just rolling with it and hoping next season does more for me (sounds like opinions vary greatly). 

Crowley finally did something besides talk (though he did plenty of that). It was fairly evil, and I am sorry to see Jenny and Sarah get killed. I thought there was a bit too much tension with a woman they knew so briefly, but just rolling with it.

The Abbadon plot was ridiculous, and would have made way way way more sense if Crowley cut off their access to demons and they were forced to try with her. 

I did love Castiel trying to get all of Dean's favorite things. Hated everything that followed for him.

[S Cook Productions]

3 hours ago, The Companion said:

Another overstuffed episode with nonsensical choices, but with less heart. I am really just rolling with it and hoping next season does more for me (sounds like opinions vary greatly). 

Crowley finally did something besides talk (though he did plenty of that). It was fairly evil, and I am sorry to see Jenny and Sarah get killed. I thought there was a bit too much tension with a woman they knew so briefly, but just rolling with it.

The Abbadon plot was ridiculous, and would have made way way way more sense if Crowley cut off their access to demons and they were forced to try with her. 

I did love Castiel trying to get all of Dean's favorite things. Hated everything that followed for him.

I personally liked season 9 a lot. So I’m cautiously optimistic that you will enjoy. 
 

And ah, Cas and Dean fighting...interesting. Lol. That’s all I will say. No spoilers. 

[gonzosgirrl]

23 minutes ago, S Cook Productions said:

I personally liked season 9 a lot.

I think S9 is one of the best of the series.

[Aeryn13]

7 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I think S9 is one of the best of the series.

I liked the second half, the first IMO still sucked to a large degree.

[gonzosgirrl]

2 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

I liked the second half, the first IMO still sucked to a large degree.

There is a lot I didn't like, but there are some outstanding performances, for me at least. It's a season that I am glad I watched unspoiled and not knowing a thing about fandom.

[Myrelle]

2 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

There is a lot I didn't like, but there are some outstanding performances, for me at least. It's a season that I am glad I watched unspoiled and not knowing a thing about fandom.

I think S9-11 are the most binge-worthy seasons of the show-with the second half of 9 bringing on a renaissance for it of the sort/ type that I'd never thought I would see on this show after S8.

[Katy M]

On 12/29/2019 at 6:36 PM, The Companion said:

I thought there was a bit too much tension with a woman they knew so briefly, but just rolling with it.

But, Sam kissed her. It was his first real kiss after Jessica.  They were soul mates just torn apart by weirdness.  OK, I may exaggerate.  But, I didn't really find the tension weird. Even if it was a complete stranger, if you know that someone is trying to kill someone else specifically because of you and that doesn't make you really tense to stop it, something is wrong with you.

 

On 12/29/2019 at 6:36 PM, The Companion said:

The Abbadon plot was ridiculous, and would have made way way way more sense if Crowley cut off their access to demons and they were forced to try with her. 

Somewhere I've made a list of all the really stupid things they have done over the years. This is on the list.

[The Companion]

57 minutes ago, Katy M said:

But, Sam kissed her. It was his first real kiss after Jessica.  They were soul mates just torn apart by weirdness.  OK, I may exaggerate.  But, I didn't really find the tension weird. Even if it was a complete stranger, if you know that someone is trying to kill someone else specifically because of you and that doesn't make you really tense to stop it, something is wrong with you.

 

 

I think it was more Sam's reaction to her being married, which seemed more appropriate for an actual ex. I know it was also about how little his life had changed on the surface, but it just felt like a lot. Had they not forgotten about her, Lisa might have made a more logical choice in that scene (with Dean obviously), but I guess Sam is really the one who is deadly in the romantic department. 😆

 

ETA: I meant to say Cassie, so guess I also forgot about her. 😆

Edited December 31, 2019 by The Companion

[AwesomO4000]

On 12/30/2019 at 6:40 AM, Aeryn13 said:

I liked the second half, the first IMO still sucked to a large degree.

Whereas though I thought much of the first half wasn't great, I thought the second half was worse and pretty much hated it. Kind of the flipside of the reaction for the halves of this season (i.e. for season 8, I hated the first half, while the second half was marginally better.)

So yes, @The Companion, opinions definitely vary greatly. Heh.

On 12/30/2019 at 12:31 PM, Myrelle said:

I think S9-11 are the most binge-worthy seasons of the show-with the second half of 9 bringing on a renaissance for it of the sort/ type that I'd never thought I would see on this show after S8.

I agree with this except for the second half of season 9 being the start for me. Season 10 and 11 though, I was definitely pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed the show again.