S06.E17: Tell All Part 2

[Xebug67]

On 8/22/2021 at 5:41 AM, Mrs. Hanson said:

Why they ganged up on Natalie and let Angela go off, like I have said before, ala Betty Broderick, is a mystery.  Angela would end up on "Snapped- Hazelhurst Edition" if Michael ever got here.  Which he won't.

Plus Angela believes the word of Psychic Sue over her probably not legal husband.

I can't stand Natalie, but it bothered me a bit to see them pile on her, have Trish show up AGAIN, all the while sitting there thinking: "That asshole flew me here in February 2020, then Covid struck, I was stuck, couldn't leave.  We married only to keep me legal bit can't say it out loud.  Just get me out of here."

What really bothers me is if it's true that the only reason Mike caved in and married Nuttaly is because of COVID and her being stuck here.  I can't see why he would have been forced to do so.  The entire world was COVID restricted and I'm sure that a ton of exceptions to otherwise normal situations were being and would have been made around the world as well as in the U.S., including Nuttaly being able to stay here for an extended amount of time past the usual visa allotted amount of time without horrific ramifications.  I truly believe that Mike could have avoided married her altogether and things would have been just fine.  Better, in fact, than they turned out by virtue of him having caved in and married her without really wanting to and then them putting each other through literal hell out of their mutual hatred.

[Xebug67]

On 8/22/2021 at 8:06 PM, Adeejay said:

I don't particularly care for Ronald, but I found him to be the voice of reason.  I noticed that when Mike and Natalie announced that they were going to split, he was the only one to say he was sorry to hear it.  The others just smugly sat there.  I hate to tell them, but none of their situation is ideal. No not one.

It broke my heart to hear Brandon say that he doesn't visit his parents very often because his wife won't let him.  Say what you want about Ron and Betty, but they are still his parents.  I can well imagine that they are hurting.  As the mother of two sons, I hope to never be in their position.  

I've totally changed my opinion about Julia since their previous, first season.  Ever since they've been on Happily Ever After I see nothing but a nagging bitchy shrew who's no longer as cute/pretty as she originally was.  I think that's because the ugly is leaking out more and more.

Brandon's no picnic for sure, but what kind of relationship does she think they will have long term if she's responsible for keeping him from his parents, especially if/when Ron passes away, be it from this illness or old age?

He will resent her forever and likely dump her. 

As annoying as they can be, they really are not the worst set of parents in the world.  I've yet to have seen them do anything malicious.  Manipulative, maybe.  Selfish, yes.  But evil/mean?  No.

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On 8/23/2021 at 2:33 AM, Armchair Critic said:

Somebody posted that this dog looks like Angela 😂

This darling dog is too precious to be insulted that way!

[Hotel Snarker]

Did you all catch Angela saying the Nigerian marriage doesn't count here? Is that really how it works? I thought once you're married, you're married regardless of location.

So do you guys think Angela did all those surgeries to leave Michael, and was waiting for an excuse to leave him? She’s having WAY too much fun with her new “look”…she honestly believes she can get it, no problem. I think she wants to sow some wild oats, and is probably glad to break up with him.

"Honestly, I'm not going to let Michael take away my dignity." WTF woman - what planet are you on? That ship sailed about 2 seasons ago. And did anyone catch that she was in a different outfit when Michael calls or is it bad editing making the red look pink?

Skyla treating this like a Maury episode just shows you how they expect all this shit to work. Also shows you where Ang learned her walk offs.

I didn’t appreciate Andrei and Libby defending Angela’s trashy behavior. In fact, literally no one had Mykul’s back. Are they all afraid of Angela or something? I’m just absolutely blown away that not only nobody called out Angela but people were actually defending her. Absolutely crazy. Really shows you what scumbags all these clout chasing cast members are.

Michael: Angela embarrassed me today. Me: Just today? She’s been embarrassing you every Sunday for the past 5 seasons.

Angela: I’m done with this show! Me: :) Angela appears in the next season of the Single Life Me: >:(

It’s pretty annoying that everyone defends Chuck when he plays a huge role in the drama. He says one thing to Andrei and Libby then says another when his kids are around. If he was just straight up and not playing all sides maybe you wouldn’t be having all these issues.

Charlie is a cokehead and an alcoholic. He’s always on edge. Jeez. He looked like Jan 6 domestic terrorist + anti-vax at the Tell All.

Why all this drama about Brandon missing the farm?! They live 30 mins away and he could easily visit every weekend and do some work. Often these Americans seem to think they value their families in some special way that foreigners do not. Julia made the very valid point that she’s 5,000 miles and a 19 hour flight from her parents so a 30 minute drive is really not that serious but no one seems to care? It’s baffling. She’s only said SHE doesn’t want to be at the farm, not that Brandon’s not allowed to visit.

I have a lot more respect for Asuelu for saying that while he wants more children, it's his wife's body and her final decision. That shows a lot of growth despite his tendency to fall back into more "traditional" expectations.

I understand that Asuelu’s mom saying 'find a new wife' is super insulting but why did no one speak about her saying "we don't love you anymore" when she was our the door? A mother saying to their kid "we don't love you anymore" is a tough bridge to rebuild.

I don't understand people being mad Natalie is still in the country. She tried to make the relationship work, her partner was horrible and her life was miserable, and now they both decided it's over. Why shouldn't she be able to make a go of it in America?

[Frozendiva]

@Hotel Snarker, maybe some of the other cast is projecting a bit of their own motives for marrying an American. Perhaps they think that she planned for all this to get her Green Card. Shrewd, conniving, calculating, etc. 

Julia is the she ain’t pretty she just looks that way type. Is Brandon her true love? No clue. She even admitted that she would not reveal her motives for marrying him. Especially on TV. Probably jealous of Fernanda and her date who drives a Maserati. She gets Exterminator Brandon aka farmboy.

Yara claims she would rather live in Europe.

Tiffany will dump Ronald before a visa comes his way. Asuelu is getting used to life in America. Returning to Samoa will be tough. Is Mykull playing a very long con to get to the US? Life with the Potthasts was a fairy tale til Andrei came along.

[Xebug67]

On 8/23/2021 at 8:33 AM, Breedom said:

Natalie's advice to Asuelo: Never hurt your mama, she's your mama. No one asked you for your ridiculous opinion.  Parent's are people too, who cross the line at times and should be held accountable. I understand that you are super close to your mom, Nat, but try to muster up some insight into other peoples' lives. I can't remember the other cast member who sided with mama Asuelo, but it showed sheer lack of empathy.

Adding to that, besides the "deep-feeling" silence act Natalie tries to portray when someone asks her a question, as she fully demonstrated several times during the TA - the way she flounced by Mike without a word or a look at the end of the show when she was leaving the building, with a smirk of course - was beyond childish. Her big dramatic exit. It only once again showed me this woman is deeply flawed and has no judgement. She should have taken the high road, spoken to Mike in a civil manner and then proceeded for the door. Like a real adult. She really gets off on hurting him.

I was impressed with Ronald who held back during Cold-Shoulder Tiffany's outbursts during their segments and also supporting some of the other panel with his comments.

There is ZERO instance ever where I would side with Nuttaly.  She's nothing but a C U Next Tuesday, immature, vicious, malicious, heartless, vile, stupid, self-serving, scamming, green card hustling, hooker (there, I said it).  Mike's best rid of her.  Hopefully, she didn't jack his credit card up too high before he finally stops her using it.  I hope immigration deports her nasty, vicious ass back to Ukraine so she can resume living in her Cold War era, government projects housing where she spends the rest of her life wishing she had it as good as she had it with Mike in his trailer.

[Xebug67]

On 8/23/2021 at 9:33 AM, anoninrva said:

I'm really curious about how many kids Tammy has, and why she's never shown with any.  Also, as others have pointed out, why none of the other seven kids have been shaken down for money.  As to the morality of the kids looking after the parents - that's not my culture, but I don't think I can really knock it.

I haven't seen 90 day the other way yet.  I think it would be interesting to see it not as the "oh, you're just in this for the green card", although I suspect there may still be some "I'm an American!" outbursts.  Hope to be proven wrong.

We've seen kids when they were at ???Tammy's house, and in the episode where the Grinch (Tammy) ruined Christmas at Low and Lisa's house she brought I could have sworn we saw her bringing two kids with her.  I was wondering the whole time that they were being tossed out on their well-deserving asses what had happened to the kids and HTF they got home since Assholu had picked them up and brought them there.

[Xebug67]

On 8/23/2021 at 12:19 PM, Dakisela said:

Hopefully, someone has a recollection of this too:  I read somewhere that Trish and Natalie were talking about what she did for work while in the Ukraine.  Natalie mentioned the whole fitness model and actress thing, and also that she "danced" with men who purchased tickets for such at mixers or something.  Trish said something like, "Oh, like an escort, or something?" and Natalie took that comment to mean that Trish thought she was a hooker.  Because she is demented and feels guilty because maybe she let them have a feel for an extra dollar........

How did I miss her saying that she was a dime-a-dance-girl/taxi dancer?  I can't believe that's even still done.

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1 hour ago, Hotel Snarker said:

She’s having WAY too much fun with her new “look”…she honestly believes she can get it, no problem.

I don’t see guys hitting on her unless they are 70 or looking for tv exposure.

[Xebug67]

On 8/23/2021 at 6:24 PM, Jax7917 said:

Yara not taking a pregnancy take makes no sense . She hasn’t had her period for 2 months . If she’s just stalling , she’s just delaying the inevitable and is most likely eating or drinking things she shouldn’t while pregnant .. and if she’s not pregnant , wouldn’t she want to know ? 
 

Angela needs to hold up a mirror near another mirror so she can see the back of herself . I admire her for losing so much weight but can’t you wear something that you know , fits ? 
and her hair looked like She was from romy and Michelle’s high school reunion. 
If Michael is truly in love with her , then I’m God . Is there ever a moment where they get along ? Also , was she ever married to Skylas father ? I’d be so glad to meet her exes . 

I don't admire that awful hag for any of her weight loss because it's not like she did it herself by exercising and changing her eating habits.  There's nothing admirable about having a surgical procedure that absolutely guarantees weight loss will happen.   It's just a matter of how much over how much of a span of time that it will happen.  If she couldn't lose weight with this surgery then there's something seriously wrong with her.  Using a surgical procedure that is somewhat of a "magic bullet" in my opinion is sort of like cheating your way to weight loss.

[Xebug67]

On 8/23/2021 at 8:17 PM, magemaud said:

How weird is it that I just got a pop up ad featuring Julia's Tell All dress (which reminds me of a curtain.) it is described as “for that thing you have to go to.” 

It wouldn't have looked so "Little House on the Prairie" modern edition/fundamentalist Mormon if it didn't have that that awful ruching on the shoulders/top of the dress.

[Xebug67]

23 hours ago, Sile said:

Re the grass being greener:  Angela has no grass, green or otherwise.  Just dirt and a few prickle weeds.  Angela might be 55, but she has the back of a 78 year old.

Kolini in her red jumpsuit actually looked like what Angela thought she looked like in hers.  She is a really beautiful woman.  

Yara dropping the anniversary bomb.  Damn, Jovi you know you've accomplished something when Andrei thinks it was a dick move!

Loved Natalie's dress and especially her shoes, I wish she would have been on the upper level so I could have gotten a better look at them.  Mike said she had his bank card, not credit card.  So that makes me think that he puts a certain amount in a bank account and she's got a debit card for it,

Speaking of rocking the high pony, Barbara Eden turned 90 yesterday!  I know, right??

 

The moment I saw Kolini walk out in that red jumpsuit I thought, "Now THAT'S how you rock that jumpsuit," as compared with how awful Grungela looked in hers.  Age appropriate on Kolini, not so much on Granny.

I've always thought that Kolini is drop dead gorgeous since the first season Kalani was on the show.

I couldn't find a photo of Barbara Eden at 90, but did find this one of her at 88.  She defies aging (with the help of a surgeon of course, but she's still amazing looking).

Edited August 25, 2021 by Xebug67

[Breedom]

15 minutes ago, Hotel Snarker said:

So do you guys think Angela did all those surgeries to leave Michael, and was waiting for an excuse to leave him? She’s having WAY too much fun with her new “look”…she honestly believes she can get it, no problem.

Maybe. I think she really does somehow think she's all that now and she thinks she can get any guy she wants. Asking the cab driver if he was married, telling all the "bitches to watch their men" or something stupid like that when she made her grand entrance into the TA. Like she's a hot commodity. I don't think anyone has ever had the courage to tell her what kind of human being she really is. This includes Skylar, Michael, her friends and her fellow cast members. They don't want to be shredded by this hideously vulgar creature. A clue, too, is she went to CA for her doctor's party and tried to hide it from Michael - yeah, she wants to be on the prowl. There will be no takers, however. Who wants that???

2 hours ago, Hotel Snarker said:

Honestly, I'm not going to let Michael take away my dignity." WTF woman - what planet are you on? 

Angela is the most undignified human that has walked on this earth.

2 hours ago, Hotel Snarker said:

I don't understand people being mad Natalie is still in the country. She tried to make the relationship work, her partner was horrible and her life was miserable, and now they both decided it's over. Why shouldn't she be able to make a go of it in America?

If she decides to marry again, and she will, if I'm not mistaken this would be her third and maybe even fourth marriage. The common denominator of all these failed marriages is Natalie. If she puts in lots of work maybe one day she will be ready for her forever hubby. I think she's very childish and she needs to grow up before she can have a successful marriage.

[Xebug67]

19 hours ago, magemaud said:

That also seems to be the case with the Pillow Talkers who are overly diplomatic and walk on eggshells when they comment on Angela. 

I totally believe that the only way they're allowed to appear on Pillow Talk is if they don't slam anyone and also have to put on that oh so obviously fake excitement about watching whatever show they're pillow talking about.  It's so cringey how they're always, "That was the best episode", or "This is going to be amazing" - fakety fake, phony baloney.  Cringe to the umpteenth degree.  A bunch of prostitution whores whoring themselves out for the Pillow Talk money pot.

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4 minutes ago, Xebug67 said:

I totally believe that the only way they're allowed to appear on Pillow Talk is if they don't slam anyone and also have to put on that oh so obviously fake excitement about watching whatever show they're pillow talking about.  It's so cringey how they're always, "That was the best episode", or "This is going to be amazing" - fakety fake, phony baloney.  Cringe to the umpteenth degree.  A bunch of prostitution whores whoring themselves out for the Pillow Talk money pot.

“I cannot wait for next week!”

[magemaud]

3 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Probably jealous of Fernanda and her date who drives a Maserati.

But Julia just has to be patient. Brandon has a Maserati Fund in a glass jar! 

[Frozendiva]

5 minutes ago, magemaud said:

But Julia just has to be patient. Brandon has a Maserati Fund in a glass jar! 

She may get the three inch version for Christmas.

[magemaud]

3 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

We've seen kids when they were at ???Tammy's house, and in the episode where the Grinch (Tammy) ruined Christmas at Low and Lisa's house she brought I could have sworn we saw her bringing two kids with her.

Yes, Tammy definitely brought her kids to the Christmas festivities. A boy about 10 and a younger girl, they were in the kitchen with Oliver and Kennedy. They were also at Tammy's house and last season they were in the outside dining scene (Portland?) when Asuelu was buying "the best of the best" at the food trucks. 

[magemaud]

5 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

She may get the three inch version for Christmas

maybe she gets the three inch version of Brandon, too

[Frozendiva]

2 minutes ago, magemaud said:

maybe she gets the three inch version of Brandon, too

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[Gobi]

50 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

She may get the three inch version for Christmas.

I think she already got the three inch version.

Ninja’d again.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Gobi

[Elizzikra]

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The entire world was COVID restricted and I'm sure that a ton of exceptions to otherwise normal situations were being and would have been made around the world as well as in the U.S., including Nuttaly being able to stay here for an extended amount of time past the usual visa allotted amount of time without horrific ramifications. 

I don't know - USCIS is not really the most flexible agency, even during a pandemic...

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I don't admire that awful hag for any of her weight loss because it's not like she did it herself by exercising and changing her eating habits.  There's nothing admirable about having a surgical procedure that absolutely guarantees weight loss will happen.   It's just a matter of how much over how much of a span of time that it will happen.  If she couldn't lose weight with this surgery then there's something seriously wrong with her.  Using a surgical procedure that is somewhat of a "magic bullet" in my opinion is sort of like cheating your way to weight loss.

I don't advocate admiring Angela but weight loss surgery isn't easy and it isn't a magic bullet. You have to lose some weight before the surgery, the recovery is often painful and you are on a liquid diet for some time after the surgery (and the effects are seriously unpleasant if you eat solid food too soon, or too much). It's definitely not a magic bullet; many people gain the weight back again because ultimately they don't change their eating habits or address he emotional issues behind their eating, so when they can eat solid food again, they overeat, stretch their stomachs out again and regain all their weight. 

[magemaud]

5 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

You have to lose some weight before the surgery

Is that standard procedure for all WLS? I know on “My 600 Lb. Life” Dr. Now requires patients to lose some weight before he will accept them as candidates for surgery but I got the impression that was to demonstrate they were motivated to change their “eating habit” and be successful post-surgery. Dr. Proctor on other TLC weight loss programs has explained the required weight loss was because the instruments he uses for surgery aren't long enough to work on the super morbidly obese. Angela is obese, but nowhere near the size of these other patients. Tiffany said she was having her surgery two days after taping the Tell All and she certainly didn’t look like she had attempted to lose weight on her own beforehand. If anything, she was larger than we’d ever seen her during Christmas which was filmed six months earlier. 

[Baltimore Betty]

10 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

The moment I saw Kolini walk out in that red jumpsuit I thought, "Now THAT'S how you rock that jumpsuit," as compared with how awful Grungela looked in hers.  Age appropriate on Kolini, not so much on Granny.

I've always thought that Kolini is drop dead gorgeous since the first season Kalani was on the show.

I couldn't find a photo of Barbara Eden at 90, but did find this one of her at 88.  She defies aging (with the help of a surgeon of course, but she's still amazing looking).

Is that Loni Anderson next to her??? Oh dear, the fillers are no longer their friends.

[watchingtvaddict]

16 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

What really bothers me is if it's true that the only reason Mike caved in and married Nuttaly is because of COVID and her being stuck here.  I can't see why he would have been forced to do so.  The entire world was COVID restricted and I'm sure that a ton of exceptions to otherwise normal situations were being and would have been made around the world as well as in the U.S., including Nuttaly being able to stay here for an extended amount of time past the usual visa allotted amount of time without horrific ramifications.  I truly believe that Mike could have avoided married her altogether and things would have been just fine.  Better, in fact, than they turned out by virtue of him having caved in and married her without really wanting to and then them putting each other through literal hell out of their mutual hatred.

The issue is... you can't stay in the States past your expiration. If any issues arise you have to apply to USCIS BEFORE your visa expires... And Natalie didn't have any issues. She had a ticket to leave the country and she decided not to fly (I'm not sure if it was because Mike told her they still had a chance). If her flight had been cancelled last minute and she had NO WHERE to fly maybe USCIS would forgive her overstay... But, as it stands USCIS doesn't forgive overstays unless you're the spouse of a US Citizen. 

Mike had two choices: Don't marry Natalie and allow her to deal with being an undocumented migrant (and wash his hands of her) or marry Natalie and allow her to adjust status and get a social security number and a green card (and be financially responsible for her until she works for 10 years OR she becomes a citizen).

IIRC Mike said he might marry her in the future and he didn't want to feel rushed. The lawyer they consulted with told them Natalie either had to  marry Mike or leave the States... 

Mike would've been fine if he didn't marry Natalie but as I remember it... Mike was playing with Natalie and she could've left the States before the 90 Days was up... but she decided to stay because Mike was playing her. 

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5 hours ago, magemaud said:

Tiffany said she was having her surgery two days after taping the Tell All and she certainly didn’t look like she had attempted to lose weight on her own beforehand. If anything, she was larger than we’d ever seen her during Christmas which was filmed six months earlier. 

Imagine how many calories she must eat to maintain that size.

[Kid]

13 hours ago, Breedom said:

hideously vulgar creature

Excellent description of Angela.

[Mrs. Hanson]

6 hours ago, magemaud said:

Is that standard procedure for all WLS?

It may be a Dr. Now thing.  I had to do a two week liquid fast as when you are overweight you store fat on your organs.  To she that fat make is easier to get to what the surgeon needs to do

 

11 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

you are on a liquid diet for some time after the surgery (and the effects are seriously unpleasant if you eat solid food too soon, or too much). It's definitely not a magic bullet

There is nothing magic about it.  It was intense, challenging, and rewarding at the same time. My surgery was in early January and as I stated somewhere else, I went from late December to late March or early April without chewing food.  The day I could eat a saltine was like WHOO HOO!!!!  Or crunch on a baby carrot!  Party in my mouth!

[Xebug67]

18 hours ago, Hotel Snarker said:

Did you all catch Angela saying the Nigerian marriage doesn't count here? Is that really how it works? I thought once you're married, you're married regardless of location.

So do you guys think Angela did all those surgeries to leave Michael, and was waiting for an excuse to leave him? She’s having WAY too much fun with her new “look”…she honestly believes she can get it, no problem. I think she wants to sow some wild oats, and is probably glad to break up with him.

"Honestly, I'm not going to let Michael take away my dignity." WTF woman - what planet are you on? That ship sailed about 2 seasons ago. And did anyone catch that she was in a different outfit when Michael calls or is it bad editing making the red look pink?

Skyla treating this like a Maury episode just shows you how they expect all this shit to work. Also shows you where Ang learned her walk offs.

I didn’t appreciate Andrei and Libby defending Angela’s trashy behavior. In fact, literally no one had Mykul’s back. Are they all afraid of Angela or something? I’m just absolutely blown away that not only nobody called out Angela but people were actually defending her. Absolutely crazy. Really shows you what scumbags all these clout chasing cast members are.

Michael: Angela embarrassed me today. Me: Just today? She’s been embarrassing you every Sunday for the past 5 seasons.

Angela: I’m done with this show! Me: :) Angela appears in the next season of the Single Life Me: >:(

It’s pretty annoying that everyone defends Chuck when he plays a huge role in the drama. He says one thing to Andrei and Libby then says another when his kids are around. If he was just straight up and not playing all sides maybe you wouldn’t be having all these issues.

Charlie is a cokehead and an alcoholic. He’s always on edge. Jeez. He looked like Jan 6 domestic terrorist + anti-vax at the Tell All.

Why all this drama about Brandon missing the farm?! They live 30 mins away and he could easily visit every weekend and do some work. Often these Americans seem to think they value their families in some special way that foreigners do not. Julia made the very valid point that she’s 5,000 miles and a 19 hour flight from her parents so a 30 minute drive is really not that serious but no one seems to care? It’s baffling. She’s only said SHE doesn’t want to be at the farm, not that Brandon’s not allowed to visit.

I have a lot more respect for Asuelu for saying that while he wants more children, it's his wife's body and her final decision. That shows a lot of growth despite his tendency to fall back into more "traditional" expectations.

I understand that Asuelu’s mom saying 'find a new wife' is super insulting but why did no one speak about her saying "we don't love you anymore" when she was our the door? A mother saying to their kid "we don't love you anymore" is a tough bridge to rebuild.

I don't understand people being mad Natalie is still in the country. She tried to make the relationship work, her partner was horrible and her life was miserable, and now they both decided it's over. Why shouldn't she be able to make a go of it in America?

I DID catch Grangela saying that about the non-validity of their Nigerian marriage, and found that to be a quite telling indicator of where her head is at as regards her marriage now, if not has always been - that she can ditch Michael any time she chooses.  Well Grungy, not according to this:  7 FAM 1450 MARRIAGE OF U.S. CITIZENS ABROAD  "In general, marriages which are legally performed and valid abroad are also legally valid in the United States."

As regards her looks, I honestly believe that though Grangela has likely always had an over-inflated sense of herself, deep, deep down I don't think that she really thought she was good enough, and just put on a bold front of thinking she's hot shit.  And I also believe most of her bogus self-confidence was grounded in those two boulders, a/k/a breasts, she'd been toting around.

Now she's going to be an even worse monster than ever before with the weight loss and the replacement boobage that has now made those mammoth mammaries bouncier and perkier.  Skyla and the grandkids better find another place to live because there will no longer be any extra room in that house, what with Granny and her over-inflated ego.

And I've said it many times before and I'll say it again, it's absolute BS that these cast members as well as Pillow Talkers always bow down to Grangela.  She is perhaps one of the worst  human beings to ever walk the earth.  That's one of the reasons that I love Rebecca - because SHE would NOT bow down to that hag.  As far as all the other ass kissers go, I have ZERO respect for any of them.  They have NO back bones.

As regards Libby's family, they're no different than the other two-faced cast members who all say one thing to one person's face, and another behind their backs.  Chuck IS a massive shit stirrer, and like father like daughter, so is Libby, who's always run to her family and said one thing behind Andrei's back, yet to his face she always defends him.  There's no rational reason to explain Chuck's complete about face regarding Andrei.  He can't possibly be THAT great of a worker that he's now deserving of all of Chuck's esteem.  That slug didn't work for what, three years until he's finally now gainfully employed?  I totally believe his suddenly marvelous work ethic is the result of not wanting to be deported and needing a good job for purposes of his immigration standing.

Re Brandon and the 30 minute drive to the farm, what's happened with the world now that anything more than 5-10 minutes away and people deem you geographically undesirable?  While married to my first husband, we lived 40-45 minutes away from our parents, yet never failed to visit at least one set of them every week.  Re MY parents, neither of them drove, and so we frequently drove the 45 minutes down to them and if we had something planned up our way that included them would drive down and pick them up and bring them back up our way, then drive them back home and then come back up our away.  That's 45 minutes times 4.  Lazy, lazy, lazy, that's what people are now.  Damn straight as regards Julia NOT having the luxury of seeing her parents or friends with the same ease that cry baby, mama's boy Brandon does.

As regards Assholu, I don't for one moment believe that HE believes what he likely scriptedly said about Kalani's body being HER body and no one else can tell her what to do with it.  Beliefs such as he has don't just go bye-bye in a matter of weeks (or however long it was from the time of that Christmas fiasco visit with his mother and sister and the Tell All).  He's definitely NO hero for pretending to believe differently than he was raised to believe.  Just like the measles outbreak incident NO WAY changed his perspective about dragging his kids there regardless of the danger.  Nor did that likely make him suddenly feel okay about women being doctors.  He's a misogynistic POS to his core, and a massive shit stirrer.  WTF would that jerk off have given the baby blanket in front of everyone when he darn well KNEW how Kalani felt about more babies right now?  He totally wanted his mother and sister to act up against her on his behalf, which those two psycho beyotches DID, then he acts all surprised and pissed off that they acted up.  He accomplished exactly what he wanted to accomplish.  The big surprise in all of this is who'd a thunk that Assholu had the aptitude to be a manipulative, gaslighting mother effer?  Dumb as he is, that took some finesse on his mentally slow part.

And with all due respect, just what exactly did Nuttaly ever do to try to make her marriage work?  If constantly nagging your spouse, as well as repeatedly calling him fat, stupid, and smelly, bitching about his being a meat eater (I've been a true NON-Nuttaly type of vegetarian for 32 years, and I've NEVER gone in on anyone else for not being like me), and hounding him for not being religious and church going is "working" on your marriage, then yes, she did work on her marriage.  This self-centered, self-absorbed, green card seeking hag can't leave this country soon enough to make me happy.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Xebug67

[Xebug67]

6 minutes ago, Xebug67 said:

I DID catch Grangela saying that about the non-validity of their Nigerian marriage, and found that to be a quite telling indicator of where her head is at as regards her marriage now, if not has always been - that she can ditch Michael any time she chooses.  Well Grungy, not according to this:  7 FAM 1450 MARRIAGE OF U.S. CITIZENS ABROAD  "In general, marriages which are legally performed and valid abroad are also legally valid in the United States."

As regards her looks, I honestly believe that though Grangela has likely always had an over-inflated sense of herself, deep, deep down I don't think that she really thought she was good enough, and just put on a bold front of thinking she's hot shit.  And I also believe most of her bogus self-confidence was grounded in those two boulders, a/k/a breasts, she'd been toting around.

Now she's going to be an even worse monster than ever before with the weight loss and the replacement boobage that has now made those mammoth mammaries bouncier and perkier.  Skyla and the grandkids better find another place to live because there will no longer be any extra room in that house, what with Granny and her over-inflated ego.

And I've said it many times before and I'll say it again, it's absolute BS that these cast members as well as Pillow Talkers always bow down to Grangela.  She is perhaps one of the worst  human beings to ever walk the earth.  That's one of the reasons that I love Rebecca - because SHE would NOT bow down to that hag.  As far as all the other ass kissers go, I have ZERO respect for any of them.  They have NO back bones.

As regards Libby's family, they're no different than the other two-faced cast members who all say one thing to one person's face, and another behind their backs.  Chuck IS a massive shit stirrer, and like father like daughter, so is Libby, who's always run to her family and said one thing behind Andrei's back, yet to his face she always defends him.  There's no rational reason to explain Chuck's complete about face regarding Andrei.  He can't possibly be THAT great of a worker that he's now deserving of all of Chuck's esteem.  That slug didn't work for what, three years until he's finally now gainfully employed?  I totally believe his suddenly marvelous work ethic is the result of not wanting to be deported and needing a good job for purposes of his immigration standing.

Re Brandon and the 30 minute drive to the farm, what's happened with the world now that anything more than 5-10 minutes away and people deem you geographically undesirable?  While married to my first husband, we lived 40-45 minutes away from our parents, yet never failed to visit at least one set of them every week.  Re MY parents, neither of them drove, and so we frequently drove the 45 minutes down to them and if we had something planned up our way that included them would drive down and pick them up and bring them back up our way, then drive them back home and then come back up our away.  That's 45 minutes times 4.  Lazy, lazy, lazy, that's what people are now.  Damn straight as regards Julia NOT having the luxury of seeing her parents or friends with the same ease that cry baby, mama's boy Brandon does.

As regards Assholu, I don't for one moment believe that HE believes what he likely scriptedly said about Kalani's body being HER body and no one else can tell her what to do with it.  Beliefs such as he has don't just go bye-bye in a matter of weeks (or however long it was from the time of that Christmas fiasco visit with his mother and sister and the Tell All).  He's definitely NO hero for pretending to believe differently than he was raised to believe.  Just like the measles outbreak incident NO WAY changed his perspective about dragging his kids there regardless of the danger.  Nor did that likely make him suddenly feel okay about women being doctors.  He's a misogynistic POS to his core, and a massive shit stirrer.  WTF would that jerk off have given the baby blanket in front of everyone when he darn well KNEW how Kalani felt about more babies right now?  He totally wanted his mother and sister to act up against her on his behalf, which those to psycho beyotches DID, then he acts all surprised and pissed off that they acted up.  He accomplished exactly what he wanted to accomplish.  The big surprise in all of this is who'd a thunk that Assholu had the aptitude to be a manipulative, gaslighting mother effer?  Dumb as he is, that took some finesse on his mentally slow part.

And with all due respect, just what exactly did Nuttaly ever do to try to make her marriage work?  If constantly nagging your spouse, as well as repeatedly calling him fat, stupid, and smelly, bitching about his being a meat eater (I've been a true NON-Nuttaly type of vegetarian for 32 years, and I've NEVER gone in on anyone else for not being like me), and hounding him for not being religious and church going is "working" on your marriage, then yes, she did work on her marriage.  This self-centered, self-absorbed, green card seeking hag can't leave this country soon enough to make me happy.

 

12 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I don't know - USCIS is not really the most flexible agency, even during a pandemic...

I don't advocate admiring Angela but weight loss surgery isn't easy and it isn't a magic bullet. You have to lose some weight before the surgery, the recovery is often painful and you are on a liquid diet for some time after the surgery (and the effects are seriously unpleasant if you eat solid food too soon, or too much). It's definitely not a magic bullet; many people gain the weight back again because ultimately they don't change their eating habits or address he emotional issues behind their eating, so when they can eat solid food again, they overeat, stretch their stomachs out again and regain all their weight. 

Thanks for enlightening me about this.  I didn't mean to imply that it's easy, as we've all been commenting up until Grangela had the surgery about how she's not following the protocols of what to eat/not eat, drink/not drink, etc.  That does take effort and work.  But if one DOES adhere to all the guideline relating to it, significant, dramatic weight loss is guaranteed. 

I had no idea, however, that it's not permanent.  I was under the clearly wrong impression that because of the surgery one would never be able to eat normally or like they used to ever again, hence the impossibility of gaining it all back.  What you've enlightened me about is good to know.

[Xebug67]

4 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Is that Loni Anderson next to her??? Oh dear, the fillers are no longer their friends.

Yes.  76 and going strong.  Almost prettier than she was when she was on WKRP in Cincinnati.

Whenever my friends and I would see her in anything on TV they would always tease me, "There's your competition," because I used to date Gary Sandy, and Gary had been in a brief relationship with Loni Anderson back in the day before I had met him and gone out with him on and off for a period of three years or so.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Xebug67
Someone just asked me for a photo. Here it is.

[Xebug67]

1 hour ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

It may be a Dr. Now thing.  I had to do a two week liquid fast as when you are overweight you store fat on your organs.  To she that fat make is easier to get to what the surgeon needs to do

 

There is nothing magic about it.  It was intense, challenging, and rewarding at the same time. My surgery was in early January and as I stated somewhere else, I went from late December to late March or early April without chewing food.  The day I could eat a saltine was like WHOO HOO!!!!  Or crunch on a baby carrot!  Party in my mouth!

Impressive.  I don't know if I could do what you did.  Please know that no offense was intended by my having referred to WLS as a "magic bullet".  I was speaking out of ignorance and hatred and loathing of Grangela.  Kudos to YOU, Mrs. Hanson!

[Mrs. Hanson]

1 hour ago, Xebug67 said:

Impressive.  I don't know if I could do what you did.  Please know that no offense was intended by my having referred to WLS as a "magic bullet".  I was speaking out of ignorance and hatred and loathing of Grangela.  Kudos to YOU, Mrs. Hanson!

First bolding:  On that, we can all agree!

Second one:  Thank you!  When I share that I had WLS, which, trust, me, I never open with, but I do share sometimes as I don't want co-workers to think I have an eating disorder, lol, as I eat like a toddler several times during the day, not three squares.  The typical response is:  "Wow, everyone I know who had WLS gained it all back."  To which I respond:  "Well now you know someone who hasn't!"

1 hour ago, Xebug67 said:

I used to date Gary Sandy

Wow!  I loved the character of Andy Travis (I swear I did not look that up) as I was a HUGE WKRP fan back in the day.  

[Grifter Lives]

2 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

There's no rational reason to explain Chuck's complete about face regarding Andrei.  He can't possibly be THAT great of a worker that he's now deserving of all of Chuck's esteem.  That slug didn't work for what, three years until he's finally now gainfully employed?  I totally believe his suddenly marvelous work ethic is the result of not wanting to be deported and needing a good job for purposes of his immigration standing.

I loved all of your post, @Xebug67.  

The Family Libby is too dumb to keep their storyline straight or puff up The Family Business convincingly.  In the first season, the Coven bragged about their wealthy husbands.  This season, they were fighting over any single penny of profit from The Family Business, and Becky acted like she had some ironclad Do Not Compete clause in her work agreement.

On the endless RV trip, Chuck said that he had 3-4 houses in his flipping pipeline, including one that he just acquired from an auction and the one in which Andrrrei was demolishing the refrigerator.  That was in November or December (before Blocky-Head Eleanor's late January birthday).   At that time, the Coven and Charlie were working full-time for him.  (Jenn seemed to have joined The Family Business about midway through the season (or post-divorce), when she declared that she found and assessed the properties to flip.)  

The tell-nothing was taped in May or June.  Andrrrrei said that he and Chuck have already flipped a few houses together by then.  Charlie reported that he had been canceled from the family and had his own business.  Becky may have already quit The Family Business, as her husband threatened in the last episode and as her absence on the tell-all suggested.  And, Chuck and Andrrrei obviously didn't need Jenn to find the houses, because they managed to acquire more faster than she ever did. 

We're supposed to believe that Andrrrei easily displaced Charlie, Jenn and Becky - in their full-time jobs, corporate officer positions, and all the specialized skills and certifications they claim to have - and increased productivity and profit tenfold in 3-6 months.  In addition to her demanding full-time property manager gig, Libby took on staging all the houses - as a work-from-home mother without a babysitter, except when she needed a manicure.   

Finally, even though Chuck did not have $100K in liquidity when Andrrrei asked for a loan, Chuck must have had more than that to increase their inventory so much and so quickly, especially after Charlie's last two projects had just lost money.  (On the RV trip, Chuck said that his goal is to gross $100K and net $50K profit for each house.)  The family can't follow the money to make their story sound or look believable.

 

Edited August 26, 2021 by Grifter Lives

[the-grey-lady]

Angela: LOOK AT MY NEW TITS. LET ME AIM THEM INTO THE CAMERA.

Also Angela: I can't believe the disrespect! I am so offended!

[Baltimore Betty]

2 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

Yes.  76 and going strong.  Almost prettier than she was when she was on WKRP in Cincinnati.

Whenever my friends and I would see her in anything on TV they would always tease me, "There's your competition," because I used to date Gary Sandy, and Gary had been in a brief relationship with Loni Anderson back in the day before I had met him and gone out with him on and off for a period of three years or so.

 

I had such a crush on him back in the day!  Loni has nothing on you, you are gorgeous!

[anoninrva]

27 minutes ago, Grifter Lives said:

The Family Libby is too dumb to keep their storyline straight or puff up The Family Business convincingly.  In the first season, the Coven bragged about their wealthy husbands.  This season, they were fighting over any single penny of profit from The Family Business, and Becky acted like she had some ironbound Do Not Compete clause in her work agreement.

On the endless RV trip, Chuck said that he had 3-4 houses in his flipping pipeline, including one that he just acquired from an auction and the one in which Andrrrei was demolishing the refrigerator.  That was in November or December (before Blocky-Head Eleanor's late January birthday).   At that time, the Coven and Charlie were working full-time for him.  (Jenn seemed to have joined The Family Business about midway through the season (or post-divorce), when she declared that she found and assessed the properties to flip.)  

The tell-nothing was taped in June.  Andrrrrei said that he and Chuck have already flipped a few houses together by then.  Charlie reported that he had been canceled from the family and had his own business.  Becky may have already quit The Family Business, as her husband threatened in the last episode and as her absence on the tell-all suggested.  And, Chuck and Andrrrei obviously didn't need Jenn to find the houses, because they managed to acquire more faster than she ever did. 

We're supposed to believe that Andrrrei easily displaced Charlie, Jenn and Becky - in their full-time jobs, corporate officer positions, and all the specialized skills and certifications they claim to have - and increased productivity and profit tenfold in 3-6 months.  In addition to her demanding full-time property manager gig, Libby took on staging all the houses - as a work-from-home mother without a babysitter, except when she needed a manicure.   

Finally, even though Chuck did not have $100K in liquidity when Andrrrei asked for a loan, Chuck must have had more than that to increase their inventory so much and so quickly, especially after Charlie's last two projects had just lost money.  (On the RV trip, Chuck said that his goal is to gross $100K and net $50K profit for each house.)  The family can't follow the money to make their story sound or look believable.

 

I don't really believe anything about the family business.  It's demonstrated that they live off of high debt.  Assuming they're doing business locally, and not Miami, the average home price is only $275k.  Split five ways, even eight houses a year isn't going to be a lot of money after fees, taxes, the initial buying price, materials, contractors, etc, are accounted for.

[CrazyInAlabama]

On 8/26/2021 at 9:48 AM, Xebug67 said:

 

Thanks for enlightening me about this.  I didn't mean to imply that it's easy, as we've all been commenting up until Grangela had the surgery about how she's not following the protocols of what to eat/not eat, drink/not drink, etc.  That does take effort and work.  But if one DOES adhere to all the guideline relating to it, significant, dramatic weight loss is guaranteed. 

I had no idea, however, that it's not permanent.  I was under the clearly wrong impression that because of the surgery one would never be able to eat normally or like they used to ever again, hence the impossibility of gaining it all back.  What you've enlightened me about is good to know.

As a long time watcher of My 600 lb. Life, and knowing several people who had WLS, you can eat through a gastric bypass or gastric sleeve.      It takes constant eating of high calorie foods (milkshakes, and other no no items), but it can be done.   One person on the Dr. Now's show ate through three different surgeries (Erica from California).   

A friend's husband had the Roue N Y (or whatever it's called) and did very well, but did start gaining some back, through eating at night, and extra meals, but didn't gain a big amount back.  He was in a support group that met in member's houses, and had pot lucks every meeting, and his wife said that you would be appalled at what people brought for her to reheat for the group to share.   After hosting a few of the meetings, the wife said she wasn't going to help any more, since the group members were mostly telling each other how to defeat the surgery.    

I suspect that Angela will probably defeat her surgery, and end up worse off than she was before, but with huge boobies plastered on. 

Edited August 27, 2021 by CrazyInAlabama

[Breedom]

2 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

it's absolute BS that these cast members as well as Pillow Talkers always bow down to Grangela.

Yes. this hostile, aggressive ABUSE towards Michael and Aunt Lydia was inexcusable. Most just sat there, but for Tiff to pipe up and say she's just tired was mind-blowing. What if someone bullied her kids like that? "Oh, it's okay, the attacker of my kids just didn't get much sleep the night before. No worries." Libby and Kulani were no better. Pillow-talker's too.  So go live with it, people. One day your kids may see how weak you were in defending a bully.

3 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

And with all due respect, just what exactly did Nuttaly ever do to try to make her marriage work? 

Let's not forget the root beer debacle. She pounced on anything and everything she could to attack Mike.  Who is so closed minded as to not understand that root beer isn't an alcoholic drink?

2 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

because I used to date Gary Sandy, and Gary had been in a brief relationship with Loni Anderson

Beautiful picture! I bet you have some great memories!

[Grifter Lives]

16 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I don't advocate admiring Angela but weight loss surgery isn't easy and it isn't a magic bullet. You have to lose some weight before the surgery, the recovery is often painful and you are on a liquid diet for some time after the surgery (and the effects are seriously unpleasant if you eat solid food too soon, or too much). It's definitely not a magic bullet; many people gain the weight back again because ultimately they don't change their eating habits or address he emotional issues behind their eating, so when they can eat solid food again, they overeat, stretch their stomachs out again and regain all their weight. 

 

10 hours ago, magemaud said:

Tiffany said she was having her surgery two days after taping the Tell All and she certainly didn’t look like she had attempted to lose weight on her own beforehand. If anything, she was larger than we’d ever seen her during Christmas which was filmed six months earlier. 

Tiffany said, "Yeah, I'm excited, it's been a long process, but he wasn't supportive in the beginning, but I just know with everything that's going on in my life right now, this is like the right step for me."

So, she admitted that the surgery and preparation are hard, while also suggesting that the timing is convenient for her.  She had to remind the audience that she is a self-sacrificing martyr.  She also had to suck up to Angela, like she was rushing some sorority.  And, as @magemaud noted, Tiffany was larger than ever at the tell-all.  It was shocking, especially if she had to lose weight before the surgery.

[Xebug67]

2 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

First bolding:  On that, we can all agree!

Second one:  Thank you!  When I share that I had WLS, which, trust, me, I never open with, but I do share sometimes as I don't want co-workers to think I have an eating disorder, lol, as I eat like a toddler several times during the day, not three squares.  The typical response is:  "Wow, everyone I know who had WLS gained it all back."  To which I respond:  "Well now you know someone who hasn't!"

Wow!  I loved the character of Andy Travis (I swear I did not look that up) as I was a HUGE WKRP fan back in the day.  

It's so odd to me that there are actually people who don't agree on her, LOL.

The funniest thing is that I never watched WKRP.  I wasn't a fan of the show.  When I met Gary I kind of thought he seemed familiar from something, but I hadn't quite placed where/what I knew him from, but he was so handsome and had such great hair, LOL.  A very sexy man who was also very down to earth (he was originally from Dayton, Ohio and still had those great values from where he grew up).

We met when he was doing "Pirates of Penzance" on Broadway ca 1981-1982, and I was on vacation during college break visiting family and friends in New York in the summertime.  I was having lunch by myself (because all my friends had day jobs and couldn't entertain me during the days) at Tavern on the Green restaurant, and he was 1-2 tables over from me dining with another man.  We had been making eye contact all meal long, and then suddenly there were two legs standing next to my table, and he oh so suavely was saying to me, "May I have the pleasure of making your acquaintance."  So old fashioned and gentlemanly I nearly swooned, LOL.  We made small talk and then he asked what I was doing for the rest of the day.  I told him I was going to try to get matinee tickets to see "Dreamgirls".  He then asked me if I would be interested in coming to see his show, "Pirates of Penzance", and that if I was he'd leave a ticket for me at the box office.  I said yes, he did, and that was the start of my knowing him. 

He had attached a note from him for me to come backstage after the show, which I got to watch from 3rd row center.  When I went backstage he introduced me to the rest of the cast at that time:  Patrick Cassidy, Maureen McGovern, Kay Ballard are the only ones I remember off the top of my head.  It was really awesome.

The photo that I posted of me with him was from 1984 when he stopped off to visit me in Florida on his way to attend the closing ceremonies of the Olympics back in Los Angeles after having just finished performing as Chance Wayne in Tennessee Williams "Sweet Bird of Youth."

[Xebug67]

2 hours ago, Grifter Lives said:

I loved all of your post, @Xebug67.  

The Family Libby is too dumb to keep their storyline straight or puff up The Family Business convincingly.  In the first season, the Coven bragged about their wealthy husbands.  This season, they were fighting over any single penny of profit from The Family Business, and Becky acted like she had some ironclad Do Not Compete clause in her work agreement.

On the endless RV trip, Chuck said that he had 3-4 houses in his flipping pipeline, including one that he just acquired from an auction and the one in which Andrrrei was demolishing the refrigerator.  That was in November or December (before Blocky-Head Eleanor's late January birthday).   At that time, the Coven and Charlie were working full-time for him.  (Jenn seemed to have joined The Family Business about midway through the season (or post-divorce), when she declared that she found and assessed the properties to flip.)  

The tell-nothing was taped in May or June.  Andrrrrei said that he and Chuck have already flipped a few houses together by then.  Charlie reported that he had been canceled from the family and had his own business.  Becky may have already quit The Family Business, as her husband threatened in the last episode and as her absence on the tell-all suggested.  And, Chuck and Andrrrei obviously didn't need Jenn to find the houses, because they managed to acquire more faster than she ever did. 

We're supposed to believe that Andrrrei easily displaced Charlie, Jenn and Becky - in their full-time jobs, corporate officer positions, and all the specialized skills and certifications they claim to have - and increased productivity and profit tenfold in 3-6 months.  In addition to her demanding full-time property manager gig, Libby took on staging all the houses - as a work-from-home mother without a babysitter, except when she needed a manicure.   

Finally, even though Chuck did not have $100K in liquidity when Andrrrei asked for a loan, Chuck must have had more than that to increase their inventory so much and so quickly, especially after Charlie's last two projects had just lost money.  (On the RV trip, Chuck said that his goal is to gross $100K and net $50K profit for each house.)  The family can't follow the money to make their story sound or look believable.

 

Thank you, Grifter Lives.  Likewise.  You just put together an awesome post.  Great detective work.

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I had such a crush on him back in the day!  Loni has nothing on you, you are gorgeous!

OMG, Baltimore Betty.  You're so sweet!  Thank you very, very kindly!

[Xebug67]

1 hour ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

As a long time watcher of My 600 lb. Life, and knowing several people who had WLS, you can eat through a gastric bypass or gastric sleeve.      It takes constant eating of high calorie foods (milkshakes, and other no no items), but it can be done.   One person on the Dr. Now's show ate through three different surgeries (Erica from California).   

A friend's husband had the Roue N Y (or whatever it's called) and did very well, but did start gaining some back, through eating at night, and extra meals, but didn't gain a big amount back.  He was in a support group that met in member's houses, and had pot lucks every meeting, and his wife said that you would be appalled at what people brought for her to reheat for the group to share.   

I suspect that Angela will probably defeat her surgery, and end up worse off than she was before, but with huge boobies plastered on. 

Wow and yikes!  After learning from you all about all that goes into the WLS one would think that anyone who had it would be more like Mrs. Hanson and not go back to their old ways of eating, since it took so much willpower and sacrifice to get to the point of even being able to have the surgery at all.  Just more proof of how exemplary Mrs. Hanson's efforts and results were.

[Xebug67]

1 hour ago, Breedom said:

Yes. this hostile, aggressive ABUSE towards Michael and Aunt Lydia was inexcusable. Most just sat there, but for Tiff to pipe up and say she's just tired was mind-blowing. What if someone bullied her kids like that? "Oh, it's okay, the attacker of my kids just didn't get much sleep the night before. No worries." Libby and Kulani were no better. Pillow-talker's too.  So go live with it, people. One day your kids may see how weak you were in defending a bully.

Let's not forget the root beer debacle. She pounced on anything and everything she could to attack Mike.  Who is so closed minded as to not understand that root beer isn't an alcoholic drink?

Beautiful picture! I bet you have some great memories!

Thank you for the compliment, Breedom.  Yes, very lovely, fond memories.  I hope that I don't come across like one of those over-the-hill high school football stars still trying to relive their glory days in their older age, LOL.  My greatest regret from back then is how super-shy I was.  Gary was approximately 16 years older than me when we met, and I was not the most scintillating conversationalist back then because I was so shy.  I was still in college when I first met him, and while he was telling me about a camera safari he had been on in Africa, I'm telling him about what one of my professors, Sister Eileen Rice, or Sister Jean Lefevre, or Father MacDonald had said in class that week (I was attending a small, private catholic college at the time).  We were not quite equals, LOL.

Michael was bullied multiple times during BOTH parts of the Tell All, which made me so crazy how that was even allowed to occur.  Shaun is as much a culprit as all of the others, and even more so because she if nobody else should have shut that shite down right off the bat.  Grangela is a bulldozer of a bully.  She just runs roughshod over whomever she pleases with no fear of consequences, because TLC has never reined her in. 

Then when she additionally went in on Aunt Lydia I was absolutely appalled.  So low class.  Aunt Lydia, however, conducted herself with grace and class.  Maybe it's not totally her place to say anything, but if she didn't say anything on Michael's behalf he would have had no one at all to back him up.  And whatever she has said has been totally out of auntly love for him, and not for any sicko reasons of wanting to "be" with him as Grungy was trying to imply.  Only her filthy mind would go there.

Nuttaly and the root beer.  Yes.  So close-minded as to not be willing to accept what Michael was telling her about "beer" being nothing more than a word, but not that it had any alcoholic content.  She always wants to be right and talk over him and never listen to anything other than what off-base things she chooses to zone in on.  It's totally talking to a wall with her.

[Opine]

6 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

Yes.  76 and going strong.  Almost prettier than she was when she was on WKRP in Cincinnati.

Whenever my friends and I would see her in anything on TV they would always tease me, "There's your competition," because I used to date Gary Sandy, and Gary had been in a brief relationship with Loni Anderson back in the day before I had met him and gone out with him on and off for a period of three years or so.

That is so cool!  Truly one of my favorite shows of all time.  "As God is my witness, etc....."  Do you know where he is now?  

[Mrs. Hanson]

4 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I had such a crush on him back in the day!  Loni has nothing on you, you are gorgeous!

I will say that both ladies are gorgeous, @Xebug67 - I gotta stick up for my Minnesota native Loni Anderson!  (Although she is pulled.......tight, lol.)

 

2 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

Just more proof of how exemplary Mrs. Hanson's efforts and results were.

Aww.......shucks.  I think, to me, I was READY.  And I was not a heavy kid nor heavy young adult.  I was not as active as I could be, then had kids, didn't lose the weight......some know the drill.  

 

3 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

He was in a support group that met in member's houses, and had pot lucks every meeting, and his wife said that you would be appalled at what people brought for her to reheat for the group to share. 

I would not have been surprised but then again I went to two support groups and stopped.  What?  You are crying because you can't swing through McD's and order a Big Mac Meal then eat a sheet cake?  You didn't connect those dots?  (Guess I left my empathy at home those two nights, lol!)

 

19 minutes ago, Opine said:

That is so cool!  Truly one of my favorite shows of all time.  "As God is my witness, etc....."  Do you know where he is now?

"I thought turkeys could fly!!!"  My family STILL quotes that at Thanksgiving!!!

I really hope Angela is gone for good, but money talks, in terms of ratings.

[MajorNelson]

All of you have summarized this despicable cast.

For Nutalie and Mike, I was more interested at their trying to work out their two "religions" when she was back in Ukraine, and disappointed there was zero mention of it this season.

Julia used to be a dancer, loved big cities etc.  Her desperation to come to America by marrying farmboy boggles the mind but shows her level of conniving.  Unless he gets with the program, he will be in the rear view mirror.  "Irreconcilable differences."

I also can't stand the fake no-mentions of these people's reality....Asuelu's siblings, Brandon's siblings, Tammy's kids, and an org chart for Chuck's business, as well as Mike's insurance situation when Natalie had her nose procedure.  What was the copay?  Since she arranged it all, even ditching him the day of,  you'd have thought he might say he wasn't very interested in spending $5000 or whatever at that time given the way she was behaving.

No words for Angela, but TLC keep her off my screen!!!

Also kudos to @sile and @Xebug67 for mentioning Barbara Eden, 'my' Jeannie!

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2 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

Nuttaly and the root beer.  Yes.  So close-minded as to not be willing to accept what Michael was telling her about "beer" being nothing more than a word, but not that it had any alcoholic content.  She always wants to be right and talk over him and never listen to anything other than what off-base things she chooses to zone in on.  It's totally talking to a wall with her.

Imagine her reaction to ginger ale.

[lilysmom]

I admit I enjoy the comments, snark, etc. directed at all of the characters on these shows just as much as anyone. (And I say "characters" because I believe for many of them, they ARE playing a part.)  They all knew what they were signing up for when they agreed to be on the show. 

However, I do have a problem when innocent children are included in that snark. Calling an innocent baby a block head (IMO( is going a little too far. She did not ask to be on this show. Her parents chose to include her. The shape of her head is nothing that she or her parents have any control over. And, personally, I think she is a beautiful baby.

For years, schools have been working on educating our children to accept each other regardless of what disabilities or issues they may have. Bullying is a major issue in every school today. What's important is what is on the inside of a person, not some perceived flaw.

Be kind!

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The baby probably is not reading this forum.