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Welcome aboard, Daniel Dae Kim! ūü•į Glad Helen has made a new friend. ūüėŹ

The story about the little boy with DMD was so heartbreaking. I’m surprised the parents acted as if they had never heard of Muscular Dystrophy. When did the Jerry Lewis telethons end?

Dr. Kapoor’s storyline was funny. Loved when the boss lady messaged him.

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So in less than a day, they sequenced the kid's genes, diagnosed muscular dystrophy, and got him evaluated for a clinical trial that just conveniently happened to be right there at the hospital. And Max knows everything about DMD and all the trials with no referral to any kind of specialist. Okay. 

How did the gun-guy's wife "break in" to a house she hasn't actually moved out of?

The new doc is annoying me, so far. "Nap time!" Really?

(PS, Thank you, NA, for not airing the pandemic episode.)

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Think the pandemic episode may have been better!  This was more of a bittersweet episode with Max and Alice, the DMD boy, Helen going off with new doctor--already??--or are they just friends?   Kapoor and Iggy - could have done without.

Believe we're all adults who could have decided whether to watch the pandemic episode or not vs. decision being made for us.   

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11 hours ago, ams1001 said:

So in less than a day, they sequenced the kid's genes, diagnosed muscular dystrophy, and got him evaluated for a clinical trial that just conveniently happened to be right there at the hospital. And Max knows everything about DMD and all the trials with no referral to any kind of specialist. Okay. 

I thought Max did those people quite the disservice in how he handled the situation.  I don't know why he was acting as though they had to make all their decisions the same day as they received that diagnosis.  The diagnosis itself would be a lot to take in, much less how overwhelming it would be to be inundated with information concerning various studies.  This would be a weeks long or months long process.  I understand that a tv show isn't going to mirror reality, but this was all just silly.

And again, Iggy is terrible at his job.  I can't imagine this would honestly be the first time someone he was evaluating claimed he was biased, and Iggy wouldn't already know how to redirect those kind of claims.  That Iggy had any kind of crisis over it, much less felt the need to prove to the patient that he was not biased was ridiculous.       

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12 hours ago, ams1001 said:

So in less than a day, they sequenced the kid's genes, diagnosed muscular dystrophy, and got him evaluated for a clinical trial that just conveniently happened to be right there at the hospital. And Max knows everything about DMD and all the trials with no referral to any kind of specialist. Okay. 

How did the gun-guy's wife "break in" to a house she hasn't actually moved out of?

The new doc is annoying me, so far. "Nap time!" Really?

(PS, Thank you, NA, for not airing the pandemic episode.)

You forgot the part where people are miraculously healed by the magic medicine only available in clinical trials which are never randomized and which unlimited numbers of patients can enter as long as the doctor in charge picks them.  And the term 'clinical trial' doesn't mean the same thing it does here in the real world where clinical trials have strict criteria, are double blinded and are meant to test promising, but unproven therapies against the traditional therapy for the disease.  And most of the people in them have already tried the standard therapy but it either didn't work or they had serious side effects so the experimental treatment in a clinical trial is their last hope, not their first choice.

It made no sense at all that the parents had never heard of Muscular Dystrophy.  The firefighters are still out with their boots collecting over Labor Day.  

And, of course, Max figured out that the kid not only had a degenerative muscular disorder but also ruled out all of the dozens of other possibilities and went right to testing for DMD after watching the kid on the playground for two minutes.  In real life, a pediatric neurologist would do a very thorough exam and a full battery of testing and it would be weeks to months to make the diagnosis.

When Max was yammering at the doc to include the kid in the trial because it was his only hope, I was thinking to myself that, if the doc let that kid into the trial, another kid was going to be left out because the number of subjects is fixed and that Max would have no way of knowing or controlling whether the kid got the wonder drug anyway.  There would be maybe a 50% chance the kid would get a placebo or different treatment.  And a 100% chance that some other little kid with a degenerative neuromuscular disorder wouldn't get the new drug at all,

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This being a medical drama, I knew WAY before Kapoor that Catherine Mary Stewart’s character had something neurological going on. Not the first time one of these shows has had someone acting that way and it turned out to be a brain tumor.

LOL’d @ the elevator exchange between Kapoor and Brantley. Between the brain tumor thing (hello, Amelia) and the elevator, it seems like this show is trying hard to be Grey’s Anatomy. Why even bother... Grey’s is going way downhill lately.

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I like Dr. Shin. I thought he was smug and obnoxious at first, but his explanation of why he operates (no pun intended) as he does made sense to me.

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I wish I could have dictated the terms of my employment.  Nap time!  Sounds great.  I see more conflict in the future with Dr. Shin's 'It's not my job' attitude.  And they sure did drop the love interest anvil in a hurry.  Granted, this was supposed to be his second episode, but still.

I don't see the divorced couple's situation ending well, even though it probably won't be part of the show.

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6 hours ago, CarpeFelis said:

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I like Dr. Shin. I thought he was smug and obnoxious at first, but his explanation of why he operates (no pun intended) as he does made sense to me.

I like him too! A TV Doctor without a martyr complex is so unusual. He is full of himself, but less of an a**hole than DDK's character on The Good Doctor.

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On 4/15/2020 at 12:40 AM, LittleIggy said:

When did the Jerry Lewis telethons end?

Don't ask when, just be glad that they did.

7 hours ago, CarpeFelis said:

Grey’s is going way downhill lately.

This one went downhill in the first season, imo. Could never get into it. Tried, hated it.

 

9 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I thought Max did those people quite the disservice in how he handled the situation.  I don't know why he was acting as though they had to make all their decisions the same day as they received that diagnosis.  The diagnosis itself would be a lot to take in, much less how overwhelming it would be to be inundated with information concerning various studies.  This would be a weeks long or months long process.  I understand that a tv show isn't going to mirror reality, but this was all just silly.

Agreed. And also because there are so many possible outcomes. Just this past week a disabilities advocate died. He had some muscular degenerative disease, don't think if the same as the kid in the episode, but Max basically saying that the kid's life would be over was not only ableist, but too OTT. And what everyone else said about trials. 

If you are interested https://www.tampabay.com/news/2020/03/26/michael-phillips-tampa-disability-advocate-dies-at-age-39/

I am not sure if cancelling the pandemic episode was the best decision - really, I can see bot arguments - but the explanation given was acceptable. People will react differently but since I double that any show will come back in the fall, it doesn't make much of a difference. We might have to deal with reruns for the rest of the year and into next year.

I like the new doctor, so far.  

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On 4/15/2020 at 12:40 AM, LittleIggy said:

Welcome aboard, Daniel Dae Kim! ūü•į Glad Helen has made a new friend. ūüėŹ

The story about the little boy with DMD was so heartbreaking. I’m surprised the parents acted as if they had never heard of Muscular Dystrophy. When did the Jerry Lewis telethons end?

Dr. Kapoor’s storyline was funny. Loved when the boss lady messaged him.

I think the telethons stopped in like 2008?

On 4/15/2020 at 8:47 AM, ams1001 said:

So in less than a day, they sequenced the kid's genes, diagnosed muscular dystrophy, and got him evaluated for a clinical trial that just conveniently happened to be right there at the hospital. And Max knows everything about DMD and all the trials with no referral to any kind of specialist. Okay. 

How did the gun-guy's wife "break in" to a house she hasn't actually moved out of?

The clinical trial wasn't at the hospital - it was at Baptist (according to the doctor's coat).

Gun guy thought his wife broke in because she came in at night.

On 4/15/2020 at 8:52 PM, txhorns79 said:

I thought Max did those people quite the disservice in how he handled the situation.  I don't know why he was acting as though they had to make all their decisions the same day as they received that diagnosis.  The diagnosis itself would be a lot to take in, much less how overwhelming it would be to be inundated with information concerning various studies.  This would be a weeks long or months long process.  I understand that a tv show isn't going to mirror reality, but this was all just silly.

And again, Iggy is terrible at his job.  I can't imagine this would honestly be the first time someone he was evaluating claimed he was biased, and Iggy wouldn't already know how to redirect those kind of claims.  That Iggy had any kind of crisis over it, much less felt the need to prove to the patient that he was not biased was ridiculous.       

Yeah, Max did quite horribly - he should've at least brought in Kapoor, since he's a neurologist! Speeding it up that much was just like... what. At least if it was a brain tumor or something, that could be a "oh yeah we found it quick"

But this is something they had to do genetic sequencing on, which is not quick.

Oh, and then Max pretty much telling the mother at the start "oh yeah he inherited it from you ma"

Yeah, Iggy was a tie for Worst Doctor in this episode.

18 hours ago, alexvillage said:

Agreed. And also because there are so many possible outcomes. Just this past week a disabilities advocate died. He had some muscular degenerative disease, don't think if the same as the kid in the episode, but Max basically saying that the kid's life would be over was not only ableist, but too OTT. And what everyone else said about trials. 

If you are interested https://www.tampabay.com/news/2020/03/26/michael-phillips-tampa-disability-advocate-dies-at-age-39/

I am not sure if cancelling the pandemic episode was the best decision - really, I can see bot arguments - but the explanation given was acceptable. People will react differently but since I double that any show will come back in the fall, it doesn't make much of a difference. We might have to deal with reruns for the rest of the year and into next year.

I like the new doctor, so far.  

Yeah, Max phrasing it as the kids life being over was just ridiculous - his life would change, his parents would grieve what they thought could have happened, but it wouldn't be over, it would just be a different life than expected.

I think cancelling the pandemic episode was the right move - there is a lot of stress over it right now, especially here in the NYC area - and as a bonus, NBC has an episode they can just air at some point if they want to have something new in their schedule.

New doctor is interesting, but I also just like Daniel Dae Kim, ever since Lost.

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I agree that postponing the pandemic episode was the right way to go. Perhaps I am biased because I am here in NYC, and the show is actually set in NYC. We have had over 12,000 dead so far and more dying everyday. It is too ongoing and raw to have a fictionalized pandemic NYC show.

I didn‚Äôt like that the ‚Äútone‚ÄĚ of Dr. Kapoor‚Äôs dilemma was a humorous one. He was being sexually harassed, and wanted it to stop and no colleague took him seriously.

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1 hour ago, NYCFree said:

I agree that postponing the pandemic episode was the right way to go. Perhaps I am biased because I am here in NYC, and the show is actually set in NYC. We have had over 12,000 dead so far and more dying everyday. It is too ongoing and raw to have a fictionalized pandemic NYC show.

I didn‚Äôt like that the ‚Äútone‚ÄĚ of Dr. Kapoor‚Äôs dilemma was a humorous one. He was being sexually harassed, and wanted it to stop and no colleague took him seriously.

Agreed; I'm in NJ (not quite in the hardest-hit areas (my county is currently 7th in cases; Bergen County has approximately 3 times as many) but definitely in the NYC commuter path). Too close to home. Yes, people can choose whether or not to watch, but I think airing it would have gotten a lot of backlash for being insensitive at best. (Also, on a personal level, I probably would have watched and then regretted it.)

Also agreed on the tone of Kapoor's story. If it was a female doctor being propositioned/groped by the husband of a patient, it would have been a very different story. It bothers me that when it happens to men it's still played for laughs.

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16 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Agreed; I'm in NJ (not quite in the hardest-hit areas (my county is currently 7th in cases; Bergen County has approximately 3 times as many) but definitely in the NYC commuter path). Too close to home. Yes, people can choose whether or not to watch, but I think airing it would have gotten a lot of backlash for being insensitive at best. (Also, on a personal level, I probably would have watched and then regretted it.)

Also agreed on the tone of Kapoor's story. If it was a female doctor being propositioned/groped by the husband of a patient, it would have been a very different story. It bothers me that when it happens to men it's still played for laughs.

Yes, the lack of sensitivity shown to Kapoor was really appalling.  He's entitled to go to work and do his job with disruption just as any female caregiver should be.  It wasn't funny and it clearly was detrimental to Kapoor's relationship with the patient which also should have been addressed immediately.

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I liked Daniel Dae Kim's character too. It is nice to have someone new for everyone to play off. So I guess Jocko Sims (Reynolds) is really leaving? I liked him too.

I realize half of it is fantasy but I still like this show. I bailed on Grey's Anatomy a long time ago and have missed watching a medical show and this has filled the bill.

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Just now, gibasi said:

I liked Daniel Dae Kim's character too. It is nice to have someone new for everyone to play off. So I guess Jocko Sims (Reynolds) is really leaving? I liked him too.

From what I read in an interview Sims isn't leaving, just leaving NA (the hospital). Not sure how that's gonna work, but OK. (I'm glad, though, cuz I do like Reynolds.

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20 hours ago, NYCFree said:

I agree that postponing the pandemic episode was the right way to go. Perhaps I am biased because I am here in NYC, and the show is actually set in NYC. We have had over 12,000 dead so far and more dying everyday. It is too ongoing and raw to have a fictionalized pandemic NYC show.

I didn‚Äôt like that the ‚Äútone‚ÄĚ of Dr. Kapoor‚Äôs dilemma was a humorous one. He was being sexually harassed, and wanted it to stop and no colleague took him seriously.

19 hours ago, ams1001 said:

Agreed; I'm in NJ (not quite in the hardest-hit areas (my county is currently 7th in cases; Bergen County has approximately 3 times as many) but definitely in the NYC commuter path). Too close to home. Yes, people can choose whether or not to watch, but I think airing it would have gotten a lot of backlash for being insensitive at best. (Also, on a personal level, I probably would have watched and then regretted it.)

Also agreed on the tone of Kapoor's story. If it was a female doctor being propositioned/groped by the husband of a patient, it would have been a very different story. It bothers me that when it happens to men it's still played for laughs.

 

Yes, Kapoor's storyline was very strange the way it was played for laughs. Like, hey, the man feels like he's being sexually propositioned, so let's basically scoff at the very thought, give him a pat on the head and say, "Dr. Kapoor, bless your heart," before telling him to run along? Just imagine if that had played out with the genders reversed...

I did like the resolution with Brantley though, that was funny.

Also, thoughts go out to those of you in that area.

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On 4/17/2020 at 12:35 AM, bros402 said:

I think the telethons stopped in like 2008?

September 4, 1966-August 31, 2014

That being said, the last time Jerry Lewis was on was 2010. After that the title of the show was changed to MDA Show of Strength.

And no, I did not remember this, I went to Wikipedia! Much to convoluted to explain so here is the link if you are interested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerry_Lewis_MDA_Labor_Day_Telethon

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8 hours ago, HeShallBMySquishy said:

Yes, Kapoor's storyline was very strange the way it was played for laughs. Like, hey, the man feels like he's being sexually propositioned, so let's basically scoff at the very thought, give him a pat on the head and say, "Dr. Kapoor, bless your heart," before telling him to run along? Just imagine if that had played out with the genders reversed...

It always goes one of two ways. If the victim is young/attractive, then it's "ooh, lucky you, what a stud" (even in scenarios where it's a minor being victimized by an adult woman, like some of the student/teacher cases); if he's older/less attractive, he must be imagining it, but how cute that he thinks that.

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I liked the way Shin and Sharpe hit it off. I generally hate all that fake chemistry crap; in this case, it just seemed that Sharpe realized that huh, maybe this guy's sort of onto something with his take care of himself philosophy. And then they smirked when she (didn't) compliment him. It didn't come off as a romantic pairing necessarily, just a quick-start on a friendship. I also liked that Bloom was annoyed by him because really, his attitude would annoy a hard-working doctor on the front line. Hopefully, Shin proves his worth with the toughest trauma cases. But I do like how irritating he can be.

The writers really misfired on the sexual harassment angle. I'm sure they were focused on Kapoor's age making it hard for the younger doctors to believe he was being harassed, but harassment was not a good way to go. I did like his elevator scene with Brantley, though. They should have found a better way to get Kapoor to lament that people couldn't believe that he was desirable.

Kind of startling to see Bloom, of all people, take the plunge and test the morphine. Yet it also makes sense, too.

Bloom's mother is pathetic. At least come up with the date being Bloom's graduation, First Communion, bat mitvah, childhood dog's birthday, some kind of special  date in her life. At least everyone got a cake break out of it.

I may have seen the very first Jerry Lewis telethon. I want to say that they struggled to get $1M. Doesn't sound like much now.

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A couple of things bugged me. Besides Kapoor being brushed off as imagining the woman was hitting on him, which was annoying, he himself was so incredulous about it that as a neuro specialist (!!!!!) there should have been a huge blinking light bulb going off over his head that there was something physically wrong with her.

And in the scene where Shin was explaining his way of working to Helen, she said¬†something about herself not taking breaks. I wanted to yell ‚ÄúHey, Helen, you don‚Äôt have to be prepared¬†to spend hours standing over an operating table!‚ÄĚ (and for that matter, neither does Bloom).

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On 4/17/2020 at 8:11 AM, NYCFree said:

I agree that postponing the pandemic episode was the right way to go. Perhaps I am biased because I am here in NYC, and the show is actually set in NYC. We have had over 12,000 dead so far and more dying everyday. It is too ongoing and raw to have a fictionalized pandemic NYC show.

I didn‚Äôt like that the ‚Äútone‚ÄĚ of Dr. Kapoor‚Äôs dilemma was a humorous one. He was being sexually harassed, and wanted it to stop and no colleague took him seriously.

Yeah, playing Kapoor's situation for laughs just... made no sense at all.

On 4/17/2020 at 10:01 AM, ams1001 said:

Agreed; I'm in NJ (not quite in the hardest-hit areas (my county is currently 7th in cases; Bergen County has approximately 3 times as many) but definitely in the NYC commuter path). Too close to home. Yes, people can choose whether or not to watch, but I think airing it would have gotten a lot of backlash for being insensitive at best. (Also, on a personal level, I probably would have watched and then regretted it.)

Also agreed on the tone of Kapoor's story. If it was a female doctor being propositioned/groped by the husband of a patient, it would have been a very different story. It bothers me that when it happens to men it's still played for laughs.

I'm also in NJ - I think my county is in the top 10 in the state for COVID cases?

That bothered me too - if it was a 50-60 year old woman who ran the neuro department, it would have not been played for laughs, it would've been played for the serious stuff it was.

12 hours ago, suebee12 said:

September 4, 1966-August 31, 2014

That being said, the last time Jerry Lewis was on was 2010. After that the title of the show was changed to MDA Show of Strength.

And no, I did not remember this, I went to Wikipedia! Much to convoluted to explain so here is the link if you are interested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerry_Lewis_MDA_Labor_Day_Telethon

Ahhh, okay, that is why I was thinking it went away around 2008 - because Lewis stopped participating in 2010. I didn't even notice that the telethon stopped airing

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15 minutes ago, bros402 said:

I'm also in NJ - I think my county is in the top 10 in the state for COVID cases?

I'm going by the dashboard at the bottom of this page:

https://covid19.nj.gov/

We've moved to 8th since I last looked.

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23 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I'm going by the dashboard at the bottom of this page:

https://covid19.nj.gov/

We've moved to 8th since I last looked.

Me too.

My grandmother's down in Ocean.. luckily she lives with two friends, since she couldn't afford a home.

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On 4/15/2020 at 5:52 PM, txhorns79 said:

I thought Max did those people quite the disservice in how he handled the situation.  I don't know why he was acting as though they had to make all their decisions the same day as they received that diagnosis.  The diagnosis itself would be a lot to take in, much less how overwhelming it would be to be inundated with information concerning various studies.  This would be a weeks long or months long process.  I understand that a tv show isn't going to mirror reality, but this was all just silly.

And again, Iggy is terrible at his job.  I can't imagine this would honestly be the first time someone he was evaluating claimed he was biased, and Iggy wouldn't already know how to redirect those kind of claims.  That Iggy had any kind of crisis over it, much less felt the need to prove to the patient that he was not biased was ridiculous.       

It would be ridiculous for anyone else but felt in character for Iggy to me because Iggy is the worst.

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12 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

It would be ridiculous for anyone else but felt in character for Iggy to me because Iggy is the worst.

I like his actor, but he was just a horrible character this season. Can we go back to Season 1 Iggy?

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