S04.E14: Chapter Seventy-One: How to Get Away With Murder

[Bort]

When a night in the woods goes horribly awry, Betty, Archie and Veronica are forced to confront what one of them may be capable of.

Airdate: Wednesday, February 26, 2020

[NeenerNeener]

Wow, I didn't think they'd really kill off Jughead. I'm still hoping this is an enormous fake-out.

 

[Chaos Theory]

Ok finally.

This Betty Cooper.   The “I am The Daughter of The Black Hood and I am coming for you..... you will regret ever meeting me”. Betty Cooper is my favorite Betty Cooper.

So Archie has two mommies?  Sorry sorry.   Also we learned the downside to having your best girl friend who is possibly a killer and is also an FBI trainee living across the street and directly across windows from you.   Not the best day to be Archie Andrews.   But when has it ever been?

Still I am enjoying Betty playing for reals.   A mean game of chess.  
 

 

Edited February 27, 2020 by Chaos Theory

[Josh371982]

18 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Ok finally.

This Betty Cooper.   The “I am The Daughter of The Black Hood and I am coming for you..... you will regret ever meeting me”. Betty Cooper is my favorite Betty Cooper.

So Archie has two mommies?  Sorry sorry.   I also we learned the downside to having your best girl friend who is possibly a killer and is also an FBI trainee living actress the street and directly across windows from you.   Not the best day to be Archie Andrews.   But when has it ever been?

Still I am enjoying Betty playing for reals.   A mean game of chess.  
 

 

I gotta admit I LOVED Betty's words to that awful Donna at the end there! And my guess: Juggy Is alive and Betty is the only one who knows

[Chaos Theory]

Honestly I am still thinking that after Betty got upset that Jughead wanted to use Betty's family ties as the daughter of the Black Hood he came up with this and instead of making her the villian of the story he made her the hero.   This is all just one big story with him Jughead Jones getting murdered and Betty and gang solving his murder against the backdrop of Stonewall Prep and the pychopath Donna who has manipulated her way via blackmail and murder.   

 

That is just my guess.  though

Edited February 27, 2020 by Chaos Theory

[Lady Calypso]

Yes, show, because of course I believe that none of them really give a shit about Jughead being dead and seeing them more concerned about covering their own asses.

Jughead isn't dead, I stand by that. Nothing about Archie and Betty's reactions, in particular, scream dead Jughead. But the show is trying to twist scenes into making it seem like he's dead. Yet, we also know that the word "dead" hasn't technically been used by Archie, Betty, or Veronica...so that does just further the theory that Jughead's fine. 

The only thing is that I don't know exactly what the real story is. I'm positive that Jughead is in hiding, but now I can't figure out exactly why. I also can't figure out who exactly knows the truth. Betty does, and Archie/Veronica must know at least part of the story (because they're WAAAAAY too chill about Jughead being dead, especially since Archie lost his father a few months ago and also now "lost" one of his closest friends). FP might not know a thing. Charles is the only other one who I'm unsure about. Does he know the whole story because he held to hide Jughead? Or is Betty playing him too? 

As for everything else in the episode...Veronica/Hiram kind of make up...well, until another battle starts between the two.

Archie's mom comes out to Archie. Okie dokie. 

[tennisgurl]

This cant be real, this is either a super elaborate hoax by Betty/Archie/Veronica, complete with them not even acknowledging it among them alone, or this is actually Jugheads story we are seeing played out as he reads it to everyone. Everyone is acting so freaking chill about Jughead being dead, no one seems to even care a little bit. B/A/V have apparently not shed a tear over their best friend/boyfriends death, and yeah maybe you could say Betty is in shock and has gone full creepy dead eyes Betty, but I dont buy at all that Archie wouldn't be crying and freaking out and heartbroken, especially coming so soon after losing his dead. I bet thats what he actually confessed to his mom, that this was all faked. Or Archie has finally snapped after one trauma too many, and has just mentally gone bye bye. Its that or this is some truly baffling characterization, even by this shows standards. 

Betty telling Donna how she is going to come after her hard and go full Bonkers Betty was pretty solidly wild, but I think Betty was at her most fathers daughter was when she was starring at Archie through her window and was telling him not to say anything, it sounded like she had a sniper rifle aimed at his head. 

So Mary is dating the recruiter? Random, but good for her. Too bad Archie is clearly in the middle of some kind of scheme and/or breakdown to really talk to her about her being in a new relationship. 

Just a really weird episode, its hard to really judge it, because I am sure that what we are seeing isnt actually what is happening. 

[thuganomics85]

Well, while no one really came out looking good in the "Who best answered why they were in their underwear" contest, I actually think Archie of all people came out ahead, since "getting your clothes stolen while skinny dipping" is more believable than either "was playing strip poker and I guess I kind of forgot to take my clothes with me?" or "spilled wine on my clothes, so I left them soaking in a sink, while I just drove back home in my bra and panties."  In Betty's defense though, she was admittedly pretty distracted with the whole "might have killed my boyfriend while being mind-controlled" thing, so I'll give her a pass.  And, of course, everyone knows the real answer is "We're attractive twenty-something actors on The CW, and we know what the network wants, so enjoy K.J. Apa's chest and abs, along with Lili Reinhart and Camila Mendes' legs and cleavage!"

I'll give the show credit in that I really don't know what the hell is actually going on here, and how it will all play out.  I continue to believe that Jughead isn't actually dead, because, come on.  But I'm really not sure what the deal is with Betty, Veronica, and Archie, and their involvement.  They really don't act like people who've just lost one of their closest friends/boyfriends.  But, at the same time, they're having conversations about his death without any audience at times, so are they just really getting into character here?  Do they think the Stonewall gang always has eyes on them?  Yeah, I got nothing right now.

Assuming Jughead isn't dead (which, again, no way I see him gone for good), I'm going to really feel bad for FP if he hasn't been cued in.  Then again, he also seemed kind of chill about a lot of this, so it wouldn't surprise me either way.

Not sure what Betty's plan is either, but it was nice to see Donna and Bret finally off their game a bit, since they're baffled over her letting everyone "discover the body."  Plus, that threat to Donna at the end.  Classic Betty!

Veronica and Hiram continue to due their bizarre "I hate you, but, actually, not really" thing.  Yawn!

Mary randomly reveals that she has moved on with a woman.  Not sure if that was the show's attempt at character development, or if that will be significant later on.

Cheryl and Toni were absent here; as was Reggie; and Kevin only had one small scene.  I would have loved it though if when he first approached them, Archie was just like "Don't got time for your tickle porn shit, Kevin!"  Because when it comes to Kevin this season (or maybe even series), he'll probably always be remembered for tickle porn.

 

 

[HeatLifer]

I’m going to hope Archie knows Jug is alive and this is all an elaborate act because if not, he needs to drop Betty to the curb immediately and also close his window curtains.

Same goes for FP.

[Snookums]

I honestly don't get how this hoax is working because a LOT of people would have to be in on it at this point--even if you could get FP to play along for whatever reason, what about the morgue attendants? The doctor who would determine cause of death? The undertaker who prepared whatever they used for a substitute body for the funeral? 

I have to go with this entire thing being Jug's story and he's using it to triumphantly prove the murders of Mr. Chipping and the Stonewall Four and shut down the school, because as people have pointed out, nobody is behaving the way human beings, let alone close friends, parents and girlfriends of a murdered seventeen year old would behave, in the least. 

In a "revealing to your captive audience that you've found them out via a novel read" context, everything plays out correctly. The elaborate clues and setups, the cell phone plant, the FBI link for professional equipment and evidence testing, the private conversations between characters that would have no reason to discuss Betty's mental state otherwise, or keep up the pretense that Jug is dead--they all work great as scenes from a book designed to ramp up suspense, but not plausibility. 

A couple things stick out especially, like when Bernard is reviewing Ronnie's application, and her first thought is that the anonymous tipster isn't Hermosa? As Archie points out, messing with the rest of them doesn't help the Stonies in the least. But as a scene in a novel that is meant to get Vee and Archie all in on the hoax, it makes total sense.

And while Betty is definitely Most Betty Ever during her threat scenes, the idea that Donna would tip her hand by showing her fear? Not realistic, but emotionally satisfying, very much so!

And if Charles really is bent on freeing his jailed lover/avenging himself on the Coopers, why is he so happily dragging his feet over this ridiculous, elaborate and pointless game? Again, he's a great character to move a story along even if his actions don't jibe with his stated goals.

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Betty telling Donna how she is going to come after her hard and go full Bonkers Betty was pretty solidly wild, but I think Betty was at her most fathers daughter was when she was starring at Archie through her window and was telling him not to say anything, it sounded like she had a sniper rifle aimed at his head. 

Indeed. She was super scary in that scene, and for a plausible instead of emotional beat in a story reason. That's what made it creepy as fuck, and why you bought Archie closing his curtains before his confession. I will be very very interested to know what was real and what was fiction in this nutball story.

And amidst all this brouhaha, the weirdest/least believable bit? Not Mary's confession that she's got a girlfriend, but that said girlfriend would ever consider somebody with Archie's grades and history as realistic Naval Academy material.

[ruby24]

This is feeling like a waste of time. I think because if they're trying to convince the audience that Jughead's dead they're doing a terrible job, because NO ONE gives a shit. Archie and Veronica don't care at all, neither does Betty, neither even does FP? He had like no reaction to the body, but he does have a reaction to him being missing earlier? I'm guessing they're going to flash back to when Betty lets each person in on the hoax (and obviously Archie did with his mom at the end).

Or it could all be Jughead's novel, but then they're still cutting to individual subplots, which seems to rule that out.

 

[HeatLifer]

40 minutes ago, ruby24 said:

(and obviously Archie did with his mom at the end).

Or it could all be Jughead's novel, but then they're still cutting to individual subplots, which seems to rule that out.

I’ve decided I’m not going to think too hard with Riverdale. And it’s not as complicated or innovative, lol, as I sometimes try to make it.

Something Ronnie said stuck with me: “There’s only so much pretending I can do.”

I still think this is all a plan because the Stonies tried to make it look like Betty killed Jug. There’s a lot of missing pieces in the story that we aren’t seeing on screen. I think Jug was truly hit in the head but it obviously didn’t kill him and now he’s off wherever until they’re able to trap B & D. So I think most of them know he’s alive, Ronnie included, but she just doesn’t know if Betty is sane and what parts of the incident she actually played a part in. I also don’t think Betty really knew until later in the episode.

I think when Mary started to show real emotion and related Jug’s “death” to Fred’s, Archie couldn’t lie to her like that & told her the truth: that Jug is alive, his classmates tried to kill him and frame Betty for it, and they’re going through these motions to get a confession.

ETA:

I almost forgot the parts that legit had me LOL’ing:  Bret calling Archie “Elmo” & Archie closing his curtains all, “Excuse me mom this psycho bitch is stalking me.”

Edited February 27, 2020 by HeatLifer

[Chaos Theory]

One of the downsides of being a 40 something watching a show full of 20 somethings playing teenagers is that I can step back and see the story potential of keeping Jughead dead.  Never gonna happen.   The show would kill off Betty before they did Jughead.   But then I always did like the character arc (don’t make me say it) trope of Betty on a female character so she speaks to me on a visceral level that Jughead never did.   But this is a teenage mystery so the ship is gonna rise like a Phoenix regardless of what I think.

But I hope they keep Betty at least semi Dark.  She really is my favorite Betty.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Chaos Theory

[SourK]

Conspiracies!

Hiram is sick conspiracy: Hiram isn't sick (obvs, we know that) but he doesn't know. Hermione and Hermosa are working together to make him think he's sick so he'll change his will. Why? I don't know. Maybe Hermosa is really a psychopath named Charles.

New Jughead conspiracy: Jughead got attacked by someone in the woods, but he didn't know who it was (maybe b/c he was wearing a stupid mask). He woke up and saw his friends there and was like, "Guys, someone tried to kill me! Go find out who it was while I pretend to be dead and hide in the sex bunker. Also burn my hat because I hate it."

They did that, but everyone except Jughead secretly believed that maybe Betty was the one who attacked him.

FP wasn't in on it at first but, once they needed to find the "body," they brought him in on it (probably in the morgue, after Betty pushed the preppies out and told them to go away).

I don't know why Archie ran into Brett's room and yelled "You killed Jughead" when no one had any reason to believe Jughead was dead yet, and I don't know why Brett wasn't smart enough to point that out, but maybe the scene got moved.

(I am genuinely enjoying the guessing game parts of the show).

9 hours ago, Snookums said:

In a "revealing to your captive audience that you've found them out via a novel read" context, everything plays out correctly. 

Maybe I'll finally get my wish and the whole series will retroactively be Jughead's novel.

9 hours ago, Snookums said:

A couple things stick out especially, like when Bernard is reviewing Ronnie's application, and her first thought is that the anonymous tipster isn't Hermosa?

Also, I forget which school is which, but didn't the admissions officer come and interview her at her bar? And maybe have to watch her sing a song first? Didn't she throw that back in Principal Honeybee's face when she was drunk that one time?

Unrelated detail: I really like the lace on her collar in the first Pop's scene.

[HeatLifer]

57 minutes ago, SourK said:

maybe b/c he was wearing a stupid mask

He took it off as he started to follow Bret.

58 minutes ago, SourK said:

I don't know why Archie ran into Brett's room and yelled "You killed Jughead" when no one had any reason to believe Jughead was dead yet, and I don't know why Brett wasn't smart enough to point that out, but maybe the scene got moved.

Archie legit just did whatever Betty told him to do, lol. He’s really too good for them all. But really, IMO in my theory, Bret and Donna did “know” that Jug was dead because they framed Betty for the “murder.” 

[Auror]

Something is just really off given their reactions to Jughead’s supposed death. Just take Archie for example. He has a big thumping heart. He exhibits empathic type of qualities. The guy has difficulty keeping in his emotions. He feels before he thinks which has gotten him into trouble before. Yet... he hardly even looked upset over his best friend dying. Nope, this doesn’t add up. Obviously some sort of twist is in play. 

[Snookums]

I think it was the Harvard interviewer that met Ronnie in her bar, and later she went to New York to interview at Bernard shamelessly promote Katie Keene.

But yeah, either way her alcohol activities are hardly a secret. 

[ruby24]

Don't Betty and FP live in the same house now? Why is she still calling him Mr. Jones? That's also weird to me.

[Auror]

I’m re-watching. It has to be significant, otherwise it wouldn’t have been included... when Betty goes to Stonewall Prep and first bumps into Bret and Donna, Bret is texting someone. Who is he texting? I think it’s significant. There is a theory going around that Bret is actually on the good side. I’m not sure I buy that but I believe that text message is important.

I loved when Archie went after Bret and Bret looked like a scared little boy. 

I don’t know what Charles and his part is in all of this, but Betty is absolutely in FBI mode. There’s a reason why she took those classes earlier. 

The dude who plays Charles remains devastatingly handsome, lol. 

Bret calling Archie Elmo was actually hilarious. 

Love or hate the “villains” of this season... I really believe these are the best ones yet. 

During the time period of when they conducted the search, it seems at this point they were all in on it. Maybe not FP yet but Betty and Archie, I think know Jughead is not dead. Veronica seemed clueless before this time but even she seemed to maybe know something after second watch. I still think there’s another scene that takes place between Betty and FP after Betty slams the door on Bret and Donna at the Morgue. 

Archie definitely tells Mary something in his bedroom. As Mary’s breaking down, Archie is calm and chill. HE KNOWS Jughead is alive at this point. 

That last Betty/Donna scene is so brilliant. For the first time throughout all of this Donna looks scared. For the first time she looks like she knows Betty is controlling her and not the other way around. Brilliant. 

This episode creates more questions than answers but when you take out the need to know what the heck is going on (as a fan caring about these characters) and judge the episode as a whole it really is well done. I know I wasn’t clock watching. Actually, I was ticked that the time goes by too quickly (even during this second viewing). Good stuff.

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, Auror said:

Something is just really off given their reactions to Jughead’s supposed death. Just take Archie for example. He has a big thumping heart. He exhibits empathic type of qualities. The guy has difficulty keeping in his emotions. He feels before he thinks which has gotten him into trouble before. Yet... he hardly even looked upset over his best friend dying. Nope, this doesn’t add up. Obviously some sort of twist is in play. 

I feel like I’m 100% certain Archie knows Jughead isn’t dead. For all the reasons that you just said plus my own take of where this story is headed. At one point in a convo with Veronica, both Archie and Ronnie agreed that all they can think about is Betty. She’s the one they’re worried about. I’m sure if they believed Jug was really dead, she wouldn’t exactly be the priority or the first thing on their mind, lol.

Edited February 27, 2020 by HeatLifer

[Auror]

9 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I feel like I’m 100% certain Archie knows Jughead isn’t dead. For all the reasons that you just said plus my own take of where this story is headed. At one point in a convo with Veronica, both Archie and Ronnie agreed that all they can think about is Betty. She’s the one they’re worried about. I’m sure if they believed Jug was really dead, she wouldn’t exactly be the priority or the first thing on their mind, lol.

Exactly, lol. 

Archie’s Empathy (and lack of emotions in this episode) makes it obvious there is a twist. We can excuse away Betty’s stone-cold behavior as a psychological breakdown and Veronica for not being super close to Jug and understandably concerned over Hiram (even if he’s awful). But not Archie. I’m not precisely sure when Archie found out but he definitely knew around the time the body was found and certainly while talking with Mary. 

[HeatLifer]

13 minutes ago, Auror said:

Exactly, lol. 

Archie’s Empathy (and lack of emotions in this episode) makes it obvious there is a twist. We can excuse away Betty’s stone-cold behavior as a psychological breakdown and Veronica for not being super close to Jug and understandably concerned over Hiram (even if he’s awful). But not Archie. I’m not precisely sure when Archie found out but he definitely knew around the time the body was found and certainly while talking with Mary. 

Mary was genuinely crying over Jughead and Archie would never play with her emotions like that. Especially after Fred’s death.

And, yes, Betty is having a complete nervous breakdown, though, because Jug DID get hurt & she’s being framed for it. As the Stonies said, all the evidence points to Betty because that’s how they set it up. Betty is clearly a mess and trying to control the situation. This is the same chick who was scared to death she’s like her killer dad .... she’s now walking around basically bragging that she’s the Black Hood’s daughter to scare Donna. Betty ain’t all there. 

[elang4]

I thought this when the scene happened and I think it was confirmed on Twitter with a photo but that denim jacket Betty was wearing when she met Donna for a second time in the forest was Jughead’s surely??? Is that meant to be symbolic? Is it meant to tell us that she’d met up with Jughead beforehand? I still can’t quite believe that they would kill him off but have no clue what’s going on! 😂 I do hope whatever is happening, they’ve let FP in on it because that would just be cruel.

[TiffanyNichelle]

Someone help me out. I think I missed it but why does the Stonewall Prep kids, or at least Donna, want Jughead?

[HeatLifer]

54 minutes ago, TiffanyNichelle said:

Someone help me out. I think I missed it but why does the Stonewall Prep kids, or at least Donna, want Jughead?

Like, why do they want him dead and/or dislike him? I don’t think we know the real answer to that yet. Although Betty theorized it could be about Chipping’s death or the preppies are just playing a game...

[Snookums]

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I loved when Archie went after Bret and Bret looked like a scared little boy. 

 

I would too! Archie's violent side is nothing to take lightly. Betty sending Archie in to beat up Brett and her call to him telling him to shut up talking to Mary were both chilling and shows that Betty is very skilled at manipulation. She thinks she's on the side of good, but...

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, Snookums said:

I  would too! Archie's violent side is nothing to take lightly. Betty sending Archie in to beat up Brett and her call to him telling him to shut up talking to Mary were both chilling and shows that Betty is very skilled at manipulation. She thinks she's on the side of good, but...

I think Betty does have a not-so-great side of her and I wonder if Archie being willing to do whatever she wants will be something that’ll cause problems between him and Ronnie. Or maybe even him and Betty, when Archie realizes she’s off her rocker. 

[ruby24]

Yeah, I mean if they want to wipe that smug smirk off Brett's face, sending Archie after him seems to do the trick in a heartbeat, lol.

Edited February 28, 2020 by ruby24

[methodwriter85]

On 2/26/2020 at 9:40 PM, Lady Calypso said:

Archie's mom comes out to Archie. Okie dokie. 

They recycled Molly's storyline from The Secret Life of the American teenager. I think it's kind of funny that both Molly and Ally Sheedy did lesbian/bi characters because I read about young lesbians who watched The Breakfast Club and imagined that Claire and Alison would run off together.

The fact that Jughead wasn't actually buried like you think he would have been, and the fact that we don't see the actual autopsy makes me think this is still a big fakeout. Plus Archie isn't remotely acting like someone who lost his best friend and his father all in the same year. Molly seemed more upset about Jughead being "dead" than Archie was.

[lorbeer]

At first, I wanted to write here that the big twist might be that Jughead is really dead, while nobody believes that could happen BUT..... the more I think about it the more I can see "escapes" for the show to go back in flashbacks and explaine how they hid the thruth from everybody, e.g. when Archie yelled to Mr Jones that he found something, Mr Jones told everybody to step back and not get closer also Betty closing mourge's door in rage could be becauseshe didn't want for anybody to see that he's not really dead... And as we know Betty and her mom had/have some connections in the mourge so I guess it's all possible. But I still think it would be a huge twist if Jughead was really dead. 😉 Nobody expects this...

The Donna character it's just so annoying. Her smug smile just drives me crazy. I really do hope Betty will bit her.

Also, did Brat have smudged mascara in the mourge? 🙄

[rmontro]

My guess is either this is Jughead's story, or this is a dream sequence Betty is having from inhaling the Devil's Breath.

Could be a hoax though, nobody seems all that upset.  

If Archie was skinny dipping and his clothes were stolen, why would he still have his boxers?

[ketose]

On 2/26/2020 at 9:38 PM, Chaos Theory said:

Honestly I am still thinking that after Betty got upset that Jughead wanted to use Betty's family ties as the daughter of the Black Hood he came up with this and instead of making her the villian of the story he made her the hero.   This is all just one big story with him Jughead Jones getting murdered and Betty and gang solving his murder against the backdrop of Stonewall Prep and the pychopath Donna who has manipulated her way via blackmail and murder.   

 

That is just my guess.  though

It would explain why Charles isn't in a sinister plot with Chick during this episode. The problem is that the Riverdale writers are mediocre. Trying to emulate Jughead's writing, which is supposed to be great, within the show itself is beyond their skill level.

 

On 2/26/2020 at 11:32 PM, thuganomics85 said:

Well, while no one really came out looking good in the "Who best answered why they were in their underwear" contest, I actually think Archie of all people came out ahead, since "getting your clothes stolen while skinny dipping" is more believable than either "was playing strip poker and I guess I kind of forgot to take my clothes with me?" or "spilled wine on my clothes, so I left them soaking in a sink, while I just drove back home in my bra and panties."  In Betty's defense though, she was admittedly pretty distracted with the whole "might have killed my boyfriend while being mind-controlled" thing, so I'll give her a pass.  And, of course, everyone knows the real answer is "We're attractive twenty-something actors on The CW, and we know what the network wants, so enjoy K.J. Apa's chest and abs, along with Lili Reinhart and Camila Mendes' legs and cleavage!"

They still pulled their punches. All the underwear scenes were in dim lighting.

 

On 2/27/2020 at 3:02 AM, HeatLifer said:

I’ve decided I’m not going to think too hard with Riverdale. And it’s not as complicated or innovative, lol, as I sometimes try to make it.

Something Ronnie said stuck with me: “There’s only so much pretending I can do.”

I still think this is all a plan because the Stonies tried to make it look like Betty killed Jug. There’s a lot of missing pieces in the story that we aren’t seeing on screen. I think Jug was truly hit in the head but it obviously didn’t kill him and now he’s off wherever until they’re able to trap B & D. So I think most of them know he’s alive, Ronnie included, but she just doesn’t know if Betty is sane and what parts of the incident she actually played a part in. I also don’t think Betty really knew until later in the episode.

I think when Mary started to show real emotion and related Jug’s “death” to Fred’s, Archie couldn’t lie to her like that & told her the truth: that Jug is alive, his classmates tried to kill him and frame Betty for it, and they’re going through these motions to get a confession.

ETA:

I almost forgot the parts that legit had me LOL’ing:  Bret calling Archie “Elmo” & Archie closing his curtains all, “Excuse me mom this psycho bitch is stalking me.”

What does "Elmo" refer to?

One thing that Betty did mention within the group is that she would have tried to put Jughead's brains back inside his head if she were not drugged. If his brains were visible, there's not much chance he's making a recovery.

[Snookums]

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What does "Elmo" refer to?

Brett was calling Archie Elmo as in the puppet from Sesame Street (since they both have bright red hair/fur.) Honestly rather clever for Brett.

[rmontro]

On 2/29/2020 at 7:35 PM, ketose said:

One thing that Betty did mention within the group is that she would have tried to put Jughead's brains back inside his head if she were not drugged. If his brains were visible, there's not much chance he's making a recovery.

That would be hard to come back from.  I'd like to see that as some sort of proof positive, but maybe Betty was just speaking hyperbolically.

[ketose]

2 hours ago, Snookums said:

Brett was calling Archie Elmo as in the puppet from Sesame Street (since they both have bright red hair/fur.) Honestly rather clever for Brett.

Wow, it's been a long time. I had confused Elmo with Grover (the blue one).

[rmontro]

On 3/3/2020 at 5:49 PM, ketose said:

Wow, it's been a long time. I had confused Elmo with Grover (the blue one).

Grover is so much cooler than Elmo.