Season 16 Live Feed Discussion: Keeping an Eye Out

[TheGapper]

I miss Zach. These HGs are boring. That's all.

[iRarelyWatchTV36]

Huh?

 

Jokers 08/26/14 09:02 PM

Cody explains that he is sending Donny home rather than Frankie because Derr is Donny's target but Cody is Frankies. NT

 

Thanks for finally confirming just who literally owns and controls you in the house, kid.  Still waking up with an aching face??  If not, you really should be.

[Katesus7]

I honestly don't think she could beat anyone In the house. She hasn't been playing this game at all and has been living in a lala land.

 

 

This sentence could literally apply 100% to Cody and he'll beat everyone left (not including Donny) except Derrick. It could even apply to Caleb mostly, and he too would beat at least all the women. Hell, Frankie applies to the second part and he'd still beat most of them. I mean, sure, they all have penises though, so of course they'd deserve it.

 

I have to disagree with this.  Cody is playing.  He is the HOH and won POV just this week.  This is his second HOH.  It would be fun for me if he had tried to backdoor Frankie or Derrick, but I don't think it would've worked, and I don't think it's best for his game.  Nicole has flat out said she would put up him and Derrick, and while Derrick certainly seems to be Donny's target, Cody is the perfect person to nominate with him.  I think this week works out well for Cody.  I would like to tell you how Victoria has fared in her turns as HOH, but as far as I can remember, she hasn't so much had a sniff at one.

 

Also, Cody does have an alliance.  I hate it and it sucks, but he does have it.  He talks game quite a bit.  You can say he and Victoria are equally deluded by Derrick, but the difference to me is that Derrick and Cody actually talk game.  They talk strategy, they talk about who needs to go next, they talk about their final two (even though I don't buy it on Derrick's part).  Victoria's conversations with Derrick?  Involving game?  Are him telling her she's safe, and her worrying about being safe.  Very different, IMO.

 

I could make similar arguments for Caleb and Frankie, but I don't really care all that much. I hate the misogyny as much as anyone, especially this season, but if Victoria doesn't have a chance in hell of winning, I'm putting that entirely on her gameplay, and not on her gender. 

[choclatechip45]

The problem with Cody is he is very capable going on a competition run which will will put blood on his hands. From what it sounded like his alliance threw him this weeks veto. Remember if Cody wins Veto at Final 5 and Final 4 he pretty much decides who goes home. I do think he is the only one of the remaining Bomb squad who can beat Derrick at this point because he is likeable. I could totally see Nicole, Hayden and Jocasta all voting for him. Granted he needs 5 votes, but it depends how the Christine, Frankie and Caleb end up leaving the house. If Derrick throws all the compensations for the rest of the season which is a real possibility all the blood goes on Cody's hands.

 

ETA I could honestly see some of the remaining bomb squad members voting Victoria over Derrick if they feel betrayed. I don't see Victoria beating Derrick, but I feel like it could be easily 6-3.

Edited August 27, 2014 by choclatechip45

[Nashville]

Some of the scenes from the Derrick & Victoria montage were misleading though. Seeing them like that does make it appear that there is something going on. But I remember seeing some of those actions and in real life they were NOT sexual or how it was presented. Yes there was touching which can be seen as sexual. But I mean some of the other scenes with the "looks" and "glances" that they supposedly gave one another. Some of those were out of place and context. Without hearing what they are saying and the context around those clips, I wouldn't look too deeply into it. Anyone can take images and clips and make the same montage about almost any two houseguests. 

 

That being said, I am not saying there isn't inappropriate touching/flirting going on. (I don't see it as more inappropriate than Christine's behavior. And I don't really see it as sexual myself..even though I know others do). I am just saying I think that particular video is misleading.

Agree:

1. This was - what, 4 or 5 minutes? - of video snips from 70+ days in the House.

2. Several of the different "scenes" (the in-bed shots in particular) scattered throughout the video were actually captures of the same action/event from different feed camera angles. So someone was stretching and repeating to find enough material for that 4-5 minutes.

3. The context of the video implies many of the single face close-ups were directed at each other (example: a close-up of Victoria's face as she looks adoringly at, supposedly, Derrick); factually speaking, however, there's nothing to indicate the two were necessarily even in the same room at the time. I say this because I'm pretty sure I recognized at least a couple of the Victoria close ups; one was from a kitchen conversation between her and Cody, and another was her watching Hayden when he was joking around with her and Nicole.

Has there been questionable conduct between Derrick and Victoria? Sure, but:

(a) I don't think it's been anywhere near as pervasive as the Christine/Cody connection - of which you can usually see 3-4 examples nightly just during the BBAD broadcast, fer crying out loud.

(b) Muckrake if you want, but at least try to be accurate, and do it well. The slants, bias and misdirection on this video was almost as bad as a Fox News broadcast - and that's saying something. I *HATE* sloppy journalism. :)

[AndreaK1041]

Is Victoria currently drunk? Or just extremely annoying? She is being obnoxious. I agree with Derrick that she should just go make a snack with cheese. I could also go for a snack with cheese, and her going away.

[Turtle]

I *HATE* sloppy journalism.​

 

 

Me too!  But that video was not journalism - it was just hilarious.  

 

ETA: I didn't mean to that be snarky, just saying I thought it was more entertainment than fact-finding.  

Edited August 27, 2014 by Turtle

[iRarelyWatchTV36]

Is Victoria currently drunk? Or just extremely annoying? She is being obnoxious. I agree with Derrick that she should just go make a snack with cheese. I could also go for a snack with cheese, and her going away.

 

Unfortunately, I think this is her default setting; whenever she decides to make it known that she's actually still in the house.

Edited August 27, 2014 by iRarelyWatchTV36

[AndreaK1041]

Hmm, good to know. Turns out I do not care for her personality.

[Nashville]

No, not at all.   He can get rid of her anytime he wants, he has control and knows it.  If anything he wants the attention off of him and that would only served to bring him into sharper focus.

You're absolutely correct - but that wasn't my point:

1. I believe part of Derrick's initial strategy was to find a couple of average-or-below floaters, cultivate their loyalty, and enable them to coast along with him to at least F4 - in effect, creating the perfect patsy to sit across from him at F2.

2. This strategy has worked, so far as Derrick intended it - as evidenced by Victoria and Cody.

3. One unintended side-effect if this strategy, however; Derrick did too good of a job with Victoria. Yes, she's totally devoted to Derrick; she is *such* a perfect patsy, however, that literally™ anyone else in the House could win against her - and others have noticed.

4. This creates a quandary for Derrick. His F2 options are truthfully the same as everybody else's; either he can win the final HoH competition, or someone else can win and take him along.

- 4a. If he wins, no problem.

- 4b. If he doesn't wIn, another part of his strategy comes into play; Derrick constantly denigrates his own game to everybody else, to put himself in their mind as an attractive F2 pairing. No matter how skillfully he trashes his own gameplay, however, there is NO WAY he or anyone else can make their game look as bad as Victoria's - which means nobody would pick him over Vic to go to F2.

5. Derrick now has to revise his initial strategy; his Stepford Houseguest has to go by F5/F4 at the latest, of he may get eliminated by someone else with designs on taking Vic to F2. Fortunately, he has a fallback position in Cody, and possibly even Caleb - who almost appears to be volunteering for the job these days.

This is the context within which I was thinking. With Vic gone, Derrick could successfully pitch himself as an appealing non-threat with which to go to F2. Raising the possible spectre of a budding showmance between he and Vic might be one avenue to this goal.

Of course, the possibility does exist that in splitting up he and Vic, he could be the one to go out the door; in this particular House, however, I think the odds of that are extremely remote. Derrick's social game is light-years past Victoria's - and besides, she has that pesky vagina problem which has previously been noted. :)

[iRarelyWatchTV36]

Other than the whole crazy stalker thing he had going on, Caleb's obsession with Amber was the only sorta sane thing to happen in this year's house; showmantically-wise.

 

There's a great joke just sitting there about Caleb being the best part of a season's showmances just sitting there to be used, but I'll be damned if I can figure it out right now.

[Nashville]

Other than the whole crazy stalker thing he had going on, Caleb's obsession with Amber was the only sorta sane thing to happen in this year's house; showmantically-wise.

 

There's a great joke just sitting there about Caleb being the best part of a season's showmances just sitting there to be used, but I'll be damned if I can figure it out right now.

To steal a page from Jeff Foxworthy:

"If a delusional stalker with control issues starts looking like a p-r-e-t-t-y good romantic prospect...? You might just be a Big Brother fan."

[Cosmocrush]

I read it all, thanks for the memories.  I miss the clothes shopping, that often came with Pandora's Box.  They used to have to earn the treadmill, weights, jacuzzi, swimming pool, grill, luxury dinners, etc.  Now they get some of those without doing a damn thing.  The ants in the house are working harder than any of the HGs.

And they competed for alot of their groceries that now they just request.  Oh and they had to clean the house every Thursday morning themselves.  This season, the hgs don't even have to make ice.  I used to enjoy  the "fill the ice cube tray" arguments because it was just like what happened at my house back then. 

 

Where did he do that, the restroom at the local Arco gas station?

Ugh.  I can't stand Andy and hoped to never see him on any screen of mine again.  Somehow he sensed it - and used his body double- a plastic rat - so for that I'll thank him. 

 

Huh?

 

Jokers 08/26/14 09:02 PM

Cody explains that he is sending Donny home rather than Frankie because Derr is Donny's target but Cody is Frankies. NT

Haha!  Good thing he's pretty or the guy would probably be living at home forever. 

Edited August 27, 2014 by Cosmocrush

[loki567]

I think Cody was trying to generate some goodwill there with Derrick by saying that he was getting rid of Donny to protect Derrick. Cody and Derrick are starting to disagree on the order of the evictions. Derrick wants Christine gone next, Cody wants Frankie.

 

I just want to skip to next week's Thursday (when Nicole's probably gone) to finally see this damn alliance crack already.

[Wings]

I wake up to nothing again today.  There may be something interesting after Donny and Nichole are gone.  There is no hope for either of them to win HOH on Thursday unless they are mistaken about the comp being "before or after."   

 

All we can do is sit and spin possible senarios and the shine of that wears off pretty quickly. 

 

Frankie will be very disappointed that he is on the dullest season, ever. 

[kellog010]

I've been poking around the live feeds curious and I need to see Nicole's DRs because she can't be this delusional to still trust Derrick after everything. She had a long conversation with Victoria and it felt like to me she knew that Victoria would report back to Derrick the conversation so she made it clear that she trusted Derrick but then she'd say something like she knows who stabbed her in the back and who not to trust without naming names and who else could that be but Derrick and Cody? If she's playing them kudos to her for snowing them and I hope she blindsides them when she wins HOH in the next couple weeks.

 

I don't think Donny is buying the BS that Derrick is selling either and he already told Nicole earlier this week that when he gets evicted he's going to campaign for Frankie in the jury house if he makes F2. I don't think Donny really respects the game that Derrick is playing and sees right through him so it would be interesting because regardless of who is sitting up there with Derrick on finale night, Donny may sway the votes against him and he has the influence to do it.

 

I think Derrick has already started planting seeds to other people about Cody so he doesn't get his hands dirty. Derrick also has been pushing the Christine has to go angle (even before Frankie). I don't know where he actually stands because this dude lies so much even in his DR sessions.

[Wings]

 

 She had a long conversation with Victoria and it felt like to me she knew that Victoria would report back to Derrick the conversation so she made it clear that she trusted Derrick but then she'd say something like she knows who stabbed her in the back and who not to trust without naming names and who else could that be but Derrick and Cody?

 

Christine is the one who put her on the block thus stabbed her in the back.  They all know this is what she is probably thinking.  She is reinforcing that idea even though we know her targets are Derrick and Cody.

 

Smart of her to do this. 

Edited August 27, 2014 by wings707

[willpwr]

That's why I can't respect Donny as a player, he's gonna be sour that he got outplayed by Derrick s so he's going to campaign for Frankie? What has Frankie done that's so different/better than Derrick in regards to Donny? He's been playing this game kind of personal in regards to Derrick, maybe if he wasn't so focused on Derrick he would have formed an alliance with the "good" people in the house while the numbers would have worked but, no, it was too early for him to decide who was a "good" person until after they were eliminated. I still think he was smart to see what was going on which is why he voted with the house so as to not cause waves and got rid of his friends. Everyone loves him on the way out, I think he played an excellent jury game, he sees who the targets are to be eliminated and starts talking to them about how they're targets and what they need to do to save themselves and then when they leave, it's the same numbers excuse. To me, he's playing the outcast card, I just can't get onboard the Donny love train because I respect the guy's brain too much to think that he couldn't have done anything to form an alliance if he had really wanted to, I think he just chose to play the moral game, and say to the HGs, hey I'm a good guy if it was up to me you wouldn't go home cause you're good people like me but awww shucks the numbers just weren't in our favor and then the next week moves on to the next. To me it shows that he can play the social game if all the HG's that have left like him on the way out but he waits to do so. I think he's smart enough to have kept TA in the back of his mind and thought he'd be relatively safe since he knew the other two were pretty much running the house but he got upset when he kept going on the block without even thinking that they didn't get rid of him even though they could have. Did he realistically expect that TA would never put him on the block?

[jumper sage]

Willpwr, you make a good point.  I too have been getting a bit ENOUGH ALREADY DONNY.  I thought he was a big fan of the show.  He should have known that by growing that stupid beard and being the oldest one in the house he would be a target.  To get all schmoopy now is like he has never seen the show.  Either try to save yourself by telling Derrick that you know exactly what he is doing and join him or you will blow up his game to the whole house.  I get it is too late for that now but a couple of weeks ago it may have worked.

Edited August 27, 2014 by jumper sage

[Nashville]

Joker's:

Wed 1:54 AM BBT Cody goes off to bed. He tells Christine that if she has trouble sleeping, to come up and knock three times. If no answer, he is sleeping.

"Knock three times

On the ceiling if you want me...."

["Posters! PLEASE STOP SINGING!!!"]

[jumper sage]

"Twice on the pipes if the answer is no"  "Oh my sweetness"........

 

God I am old!

[Overwhelming No]

That was right before they both said they loved each other. 

 

I just can't even.

[JerseyGirl]

Is that her excuse to climb into bed with him?  She has trouble sleeping??

[jumper sage]

Do marriage vows mean nothing?  I am sorry but "it's for the 500K" just makes it like prostitution.

 

I also think that Christine has never been part of the cool club and it has always bothered her.  Wait till she finds out they used her.  Ha ha ha ha.

[peachmangosteen]

I said this before with Cody and Christine, and I will say it again with Victoria and Derrick. Cody is not married. Victoria is not married. It is neither of their responsibilities to be "loyal" to someone else's spouse. It is not like they are trying to have sex with these people and forcing themselves on them. Maybe in their lives at home they are touchy feel with all their friends and family and that is how they show affection. It is Christine and Derrick's responsibility to set the boundaries for physical contact since they are the ones in relationships. I also think Victoria is this way with Derrick because she feels safe with him. That he will not try to touch her or act inappropriate with her because he is married.  If Derrick were single I don't think she would be into him. At all. 

 

I completely agree with all of this. It's so weird to me that Victoria gets shit for the Derrick stuff but Derrick really doesn't. Derick is married with a child! He's super gross. But then I just don't think Victoria wants to fuck Derrick. At all. But I do see Derrick as taking it to a sexual place at times. 

 

Derrick did tell Christine after the zingbot comments that he flirts with his wife's friends.

 

LOL. As LGGirl said, Derrick seems like such a lovely husband. I wonder if Jana thinks her friends are sluts or if she holds that opinion for Victoria alone?

 

I have to disagree with this.  Cody is playing.  He is the HOH and won POV just this week.  This is his second HOH. 

 

I just don't give a shit about comps. That means nothing to me personally. Cody is playing Derrick's game, so I don't count his game play anyway. For me, Victoria and Cody are on the same level. Caleb, Frankie, and Nicole are slightly above them. Donny is only above them because I like him. And then Derrick is just running away with it in terms of game play. However, IMO, his gameplay isn't great. Lately it's bordering on terrible in many ways. (ETA: I just realized I forgot Christine. LOL. I guess that tells you what I think of her gameplay!)

 

At the end of the day, the main reason I don't wanna see Derrick win is because then the entire finale will be a tongue bath for him with everyone trying to act like he played this truly amazing game and is an American Hero and that is not gonna entertain me at all and will just piss me off.

 

I am so shocked that I've finally broken my habit of watching this show. I don't even watch the feeds anymore. I can't seem to stop coming here though!

Edited August 27, 2014 by peachmangosteen

[SiobhanJW]

Question!!! Well more discussion Question!! I was talking to my friend last night and we were going back and forth on when we think Derrick will out himself as a cop? She thinks if he makes it to the F2, he will tell them all in his speech when he references everything he did. I think he isn't going to say anything because he doesn't want to risk them not giving him their vote. What do you guys think?

[peachmangosteen]

I think he'll lie through his F2 speech for sure. His speech will just be more smoke blowing and bullshit. They won't find out he's a cop until Julie tells them, IMO.

[ByaNose]

So, Derrick wants America to draw artwork of the hit man and they will sign it. Um, no, Derrick. We don't care and you will realize this when you leave the house.

[peachmangosteen]

LOL! Wow. Derrick is reaching Frankie/Caleb levels of delusion. I mean, he has a pretty long way to go to get there, but he's giving it a try!

 

The fact that Derrick has rated below every evicted HGs on Joker's for like over a week gives me so much joy.

Edited August 27, 2014 by peachmangosteen

[SiobhanJW]

I think he'll lie through his F2 speech for sure. His speech will just be more smoke blowing and bullshit. They won't find out he's a cop until Julie tells them, IMO.

Yup! Agreed. CBS is probably salivating at the fact that he can reveal this after he wins and they can get everyone's reactions.

Edited August 27, 2014 by SiobhanJW

[TheRealT]

 

I just don't give a shit about comps. That means nothing to me personally. Cody is playing Derrick's game, so I don't count his game play anyway. For me, Victoria and Cody are on the same level. Caleb, Frankie, and Nicole are slightly above them. Donny is only above them because I like him. And then Derrick is just running away with it in terms of game play. However, IMO, his gameplay isn't great. Lately it's bordering on terrible in many ways.

This is how I feel. It's nice to win comps, but it only really helps one's game if one knows how to strategize accordingly. Winning all the comps isn't really a viable strategy for winning the game. Conversely, it's entirely possible to win the game without ever winning a comp. In Cody's particular case, it doesn't really matter that he's won comps because he has let Derrick decide what he should do with the power those wins bring 100% of the time.

 

It's true that Cody spends more time "talking game" with Derrick than Victoria does, but I don't think that indicates that Cody is more of a player so much as it's a result of the difference in Derrick's methods for controlling the two of them. Derrick has Cody believing that he is Derrick's thought partner and co-strategist and they have been in big alliances with lots of strategy meetings throughout the game. Vic thinks she is Derrick's partner on the DL and that them NOT having lots of strategy conversations is part of their strategy to stealthily work together. Players don't have to talk a lot to have a successful alliance. In S3 Danielle and Jason had a solid alliance throughout the game, but they didn't spend hours strategizing. I think Cody requires just as much babysitting as Vic does, more actually, but babysitting Cody takes the form of "strategizing" [which is really Derrick pretending to consider Cody's ideas while convincing Cody to do what Derrick wants]. Cody has explicitly stated on more than one occasion that he knows doing X would be better for his own game, but he's doing Y instead because that's what Derrick wants. As far as Vic knows, she is doing what's best for her own game. I think she's actually right about that, as she has a far better chance at Derrick carrying her to the end than Cody does.

[Katesus7]

I still don't think Vic knows wtf she's doing, and I have yet to see her playing the game.  I see her looking at herself in the mirror, changing clothes, bitching about Christine, and following Derrick around.  That's it.  Whether you want to count comps or not, that's fine.  I do count them to an extent.  But I mostly count the fact that Cody has an alliance and talks strategy and makes decisions.  Whether you think those decisions are 100% Derrick's is where we'll agree to disagree.  I don't.  I think Cody is chicken, and I do think he trust's Derrick's opinion, but I think he makes his own decisions. 

[Wings]

That was right before they both said they loved each other. 

 

I just can't even.

 

Really?  Or is this just part of that song.  Please let it be part of the song.

[peachmangosteen]

I'm so thankful to you, TheRealT, because you always state exactly what I feel in such an intelligent way. Meanwhile I'm just like "I hate Derrick ew!"

 

I think Cody is chicken, and I do think he trust's Derrick's opinion, but I think he makes his own decisions. 

 

I agree. Derrick isn't actually going inside Cody's head and speaking his words for him like some kind of sci-fi show. (But that might've made this season more interesting!). It's just that he, by his own admission, makes decisions he knows are better for Derrick than for him and decides for himself to not do what he knows to be good for his game because it's not good for Derrick's. That's just awful and stupid!

Edited August 27, 2014 by peachmangosteen

[Wings]

This is how I feel. It's nice to win comps, but it only really helps one's game if one knows how to strategize accordingly. Winning all the comps isn't really a viable strategy for winning the game. Conversely, it's entirely possible to win the game without ever winning a comp. In Cody's particular case, it doesn't really matter that he's won comps because he has let Derrick decide what he should do with the power those wins bring 100% of the time.

 

It's true that Cody spends more time "talking game" with Derrick than Victoria does, but I don't think that indicates that Cody is more of a player so much as it's a result of the difference in Derrick's methods for controlling the two of them. Derrick has Cody believing that he is Derrick's thought partner and co-strategist and they have been in big alliances with lots of strategy meetings throughout the game. Vic thinks she is Derrick's partner on the DL and that them NOT having lots of strategy conversations is part of their strategy to stealthily work together. Players don't have to talk a lot to have a successful alliance. In S3 Danielle and Jason had a solid alliance throughout the game, but they didn't spend hours strategizing. I think Cody requires just as much babysitting as Vic does, more actually, but babysitting Cody takes the form of "strategizing" [which is really Derrick pretending to consider Cody's ideas while convincing Cody to do what Derrick wants]. Cody has explicitly stated on more than one occasion that he knows doing X would be better for his own game, but he's doing Y instead because that's what Derrick wants. As far as Vic knows, she is doing what's best for her own game. I think she's actually right about that, as she has a far better chance at Derrick carrying her to the end than Cody does.

 

Brilliant and I agree with everything you said. 

[peachmangosteen]

I still don't think Vic knows wtf she's doing, and I have yet to see her playing the game. 

 

I agree. But the thing is, I just think this describes Cody, too.

 

I can't even give Cody (or Derrick or Zach or Frankie) credit for being in the alliance that has thrived the entire game because they didn't even do anything to get in it and, in fact, IMO, Derrick didn't even actually want to be a part of it initially! The alliance was Caleb's idea (I believe) and adding Amber/Christine, which is arguably a huge or even the biggest reason why they dominated, was Devin's.

 

I really do miss Devin. I guarantee if he hadn't been evicted then this game would be very different now. I guess props to Derrick for getting him out when he did, but it was the easiest and most obvious move ever in this game, so meh.

Edited August 27, 2014 by peachmangosteen

[Wings]

I agree. But the thing is, I just think this describes Cody, too.

 

I can't even give Cody (or Derrick or Zach or Frankie) credit for being in the alliance that has thrived the entire game because they didn't even do anything to get in it and, in fact, IMO, Derrick didn't even actually want to be a part of it initially! The alliance was Caleb's idea (I believe) and adding Amber/Christine, which ia arguably a huge or even the biggest reason why they dominated, was Devin's.

 

I never considered that Devin played a key role but your point is right on the money.  And no one in the house may ever see this but it is very true.  He prevented the others from forming an alliance by taking the 2 women who could possibly do that into the fold. 

Edited August 27, 2014 by wings707

[peachmangosteen]

I believe Christine deserves oodles of credit for The Bomb Squad/Detonators dominating (and therefore, Derrick's inevitable win), but Derrick is never gonna give it to her. Instead he'll just talk about how she doesn't do anything. Bitch, you'd probably be gone now if Christine wasn't so obsessed with getting Cody's dick!

[Pixel]

. It's so weird to me that Victoria gets shit for the Derrick stuff but Derrick really doesn't. Derick is married with a child! He's super gross.

 

Not from me. I'd expect a young woman like Victoria to use her attractiveness and flirtiness to her advantage in this situation, and I don't blame her a bit. Him, on the other hand? He's a disgusting prick for encouraging it and responding when he has a wife and baby at home. 

[ByaNose]

It is pretty funny that Christine was pulled into the alliance by accident. She happen to be in the kitchen (with Amber) and, Devin pulled them in. At the time, even Christine thought it was dumb of Devin to do it. Now, Devin is long gone & Christine is still there. She hasn't done much but a lot of them haven't either. If she didn't cackle so much I would probably like her better. It might help her to win an HOH (like right now) to further her game. Unfortunately, she got blinded by the guys (somewhat like Brittany H) and, didn't realize the guys were are going to cut her lose.

[Lady Calypso]

The Derrick/Victoria and the Christine/Cody situations are very similar, I find. The only difference that I find though, is that Derrick doesn't seem to like Victoria in the way that she likes him and he's really just doing this to further himself in the game. Still, it's gross and I put the blame on him for egging her on. Just like I put more blame on Christine in her situation with Cody than Cody himself. Christine seems to genuinely like Cody, though, and Cody seems to just be doing it as strategy. It's a shame, though. This season there have been very weak female players. Nicole's self esteem issues got the better of her at the beginning but she has been a better player after Hayden was evicted. Christine's been a bully, shit talking about people behind their backs and trying to be 'one of the guys' and her thing with Cody. Victoria is relatively weak as a player, although she has won some competitions but just has not made any moves by herself to further her own game. Amber was a really nice girl, but she got tangled in with Caleb unfortunately and she didn't play her own game until it was far too late. Brittany was doing ok at times, but then she would give up, push people away and then try to flirt with them. Brittany generally wasn't that great of a player. Joey tried but she was screwed the moment the Bomb Squad was formed and she tried to form her own all girl alliance. Paola was very weak as a player as well and contributed very little besides her fight with Zach after he was backdoored. 

 

Ultimately, the guys this season have been playing the better game; not all the guys, of course, because we have Cody who has talked a lot about making big moves but chickens out due to Derrick's hold on him, and we even have Zach who may be entertaining, but he wore his heart on his sleeve and he overplayed the villain role when it clearly does not fit his personality. Donny's been very sly and he could have a good game if it wasn't for Derrick's hold on everyone else in the house. Derrick has been playing the best game, but he knows it's a game too and doesn't get personal. He knows he will have to backstab people to get to the end and weirdly enough, he'll probably have the votes to win, no matter what kind of damage he does. He can sweet talk his way out of anything, I guess due to his experience as an undercover cop, and I'm oddly endeared by him, but also kind of annoyed by his game play. That's why his situation with Victoria isn't that upsetting to me, because he knows it's a game and I highly doubt anything will come of him and Victoria out of this, not that he'd ever want it to. Is that a good move to play with Victoria this way? No, absolutely not. But I do think he will take her to the end over all others. 

 

It's why Derrick should win at the end if he makes it to final 2, and why everyone should be getting him out, because they know they won't win against him. I just don't want an Andy/GM/Spencer repeat from last season, so I do want Derrick at the end, because nobody else has been playing a great game, except for MAYBE Frankie (but he's the last person I want to win) or MAYBE Caleb, because he's somehow went from target #1 to the safest in the house (besides Victoria). 

[Sara2009]

Derrick sounds like a real prize. Feel sorry for his wife.

I think it depends on the type of flirting. Some people are just naturally flirtatious, so IF it's harmless flirting, I don't necessarily have a problem with it.

[ByaNose]

It seems like Cody & Caleb would be (and, are) dumb enough to take Derrick to the Final 2. I'm still dying to know who ultimately Derrick will take. Maybe, he'll get lucky and Victory will win Final HOH and take Derrick. That way he can say he didn't break any promises with the Bomb Squad, Denominators or Hit Men. Of course, this will never happen but it would be the perfect scenario for Derrick. I still think he will (and, deserves) to win. Like Simone said above. Let's get move onto next week and finally see who makes the move first.

[kassa]

It would be funny if Victoria won final HOH and gave a speech like "Derrick, you're my closest friend here and I love you sooo much I just can't bear the thought of competing against you in final two because then one of us would have lost to the other one.  So I'll just say goodbye to you here and after we're out of the house hopefully I've won and we can pick up where we left off!"

 

I'd give her the win if she did that.  (Doesn't the jury see the last eviction, and the evicted has to move out onto the stage, join them, and vote?)

[Nashville]

["Posters! PLEASE STOP SINGING!!!"]

Ok we gotta come up with a better reference for ourselves; every time I type "Posters" I feel like I should be tacked up on a wall waiting for Buffalo Bill to come along and turn on a black light or something. "Gerbils", maybe? Or is there something out there already I don't know about? Edited August 27, 2014 by Nashville

[Nashville]

Joker's:

Wed 9:53 AM BBT Donny mounts the elliptical for his morning exercising

This or something virtually identical has been a staple of the morning routine for months now - but today it just popped into my mind to wonder: how does the elliptical feel about this arrangement?

[SiobhanJW]

Joker's:

Wed 9:53 AM BBT Donny mounts the elliptical for his morning exercising

This or something virtually identical has been a staple of the morning routine for months now - but today it just popped into my mind to wonder: how does the elliptical feel about this arrangement?

Lmao!!!

[Wings]

Ok we gotta come up with a better reference for ourselves; every time I type "Posters" I feel like I should be tacked up on a wall waiting for Buffalo Bill to come along and turn on a black light or something. "Gerbils", maybe? Or is there something out there already I don't know about?

 

I like posters because if someone new happens along and we name ourselves eagles, they would not get it.  And we are posters, afterall. :-)

[Cosmocrush]

Question!!! Well more discussion Question!! I was talking to my friend last night and we were going back and forth on when we think Derrick will out himself as a cop? She thinks if he makes it to the F2, he will tell them all in his speech when he references everything he did. I think he isn't going to say anything because he doesn't want to risk them not giving him their vote. What do you guys think?

 

 

So, Derrick wants America to draw artwork of the hit man and they will sign it. Um, no, Derrick. We don't care and you will realize this when you leave the house.

 

 

I still don't think Vic knows wtf she's doing, and I have yet to see her playing the game.  I see her looking at herself in the mirror, changing clothes, bitching about Christine, and following Derrick around.  That's it. 

The other night Victoria was bitching to Derrick  about either Nicole or Christine talking trash about "her game" and how they don't like her gameplay.  Hahahaha.  I don't know how Derrick kept a straight face but he did say, "That's crazy!"   to which I took as, "It's crazy anyone would think you are playing this game."  but Vic took as "How dare they question your excellent gameplay!"   

 

Derrick telling the feedwatchers to make up a Hitman graphic tee shirt and submit them for his choosing seemed out of left field. Maybe Derrick has caught the delusion that is spreading through the house.  The best part though was just a few moments before he was with Calab describing F2 as being himself and Caleb. 

[Wings]

Derrick will not out himself until he reaches the jury house or at the finale after winner is chosen.  Never will he cop to that (pun intended) until.