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1 hour ago, Perkie said:

This.   MIchael was related to every family tree in town via birth father, mother and adopted father and the only tree he wasn't sitting in was the Scorpio/Jones one.  So they make Cody a Scorpio then make Sasha a Scorpio breaking them up, then have her hook up with Michael and get pregnant.  MIchael is now literally related to everyone in one way or another.  It's nuts. 

I was going to say he wasn't related to the Ashfords and Robinsons, but he is, through miscarried baby Irene/Adela.

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I don't disagree with Sasha's assessment of Willow in her relationship with Drew. Willow is in the cult of Drew. 

Sasha is loved right now by the clan of Carlys, but the second she steps out of line, they will come for her.

Because that's what they do. And these idiots who worship the Carlys and think it will never happen to them until they're the ones on the receiving end . . . Sasha had Michael's baby and that alone will make her a target in the future.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's just a matter of time before she does something that will outrage Carly and her brood, then all bets will be off.

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6 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

He was accusing his mother Brook Lynn, grandmother Lois and great grandmother Gloria of not wanting him. In all of these years, Lois and Gloria have never told him the truth/claimed him as their family so I can totally understand why he would think  they didn't really want him as their own.  As for "didn't even consider it" - I assumed that was an indirect reference to the money/resources and family support Brook Lynn has. I'm sure at 22 years old he is aware that plenty of teenagers keep and raise (or try to) their babies with little to no money and no family to help them. 

Well, they've claimed him as family in the sense of being their cousin's child, but not as their grandchild/great-grandchild.

I'm not sure the show is smart enough for it to be a reference to that. It keeps having Brook Lynn act like she was in no position to keep a child as a teen when that would be a lot more convincing and sympathetic if her family weren't ultra-rich and able to provide a legion of nannies and governesses. The shows seemingly keeps forgetting she wasn't a typical teenage mom, in addition to the fact it wasn't the 1950s when she got pregnant.

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Okay. Sasha.
You are all omg you TOLD RIC ABOUT ME AND MICHAEL.

For two seconds, and then she decided almost immediately to forgive her.

Amelia didn't look very comfortable in the scene outside the elevator. I don't know how she looked in the end scene because there was a broadcast in the last few minutes.

It occurred to me that Daisy is a first cousin to both Emma and (adoptively) Gio (as well as a third cousin biologically to Gio).

So is there no chance the birth of their grandchild will bring Robert and Holly, or at least Robert, back to Port Charles?

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BL has never been presented as a Q heiress, though. That's one reason Lois took her to Bensonhurst; she didn't want BL in that atmosphere. When she and Chase were talking about her money, they agreed it would be a safety net, not an active source of income.

Brook Lynn feeling she wasn't able to give her baby the life she wanted it to have fits in with all of this, IMO. She wanted to be hands-on with her kid, and as a teenager who hadn't even graduated from high school, that would be really difficult. It would also affect any future decisions. Could she have a music career with a small child? Again, it would be really difficult.

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On 6/6/2025 at 4:14 PM, Daisy said:

maybe if you weren't a judgemental cow who was all for willow losing her children because she had an affair and don't like Drew and didn't lie to everyone that you had an affair and had a married man's baby, Nina wouldn't have had to say anything, Sasha. Just leave and take your dumb baby with you.

No no no Nina threw Sasha (you know the daughter that doesn't treat Nina like shit, who treats her with respect & is one of the few people who have had Nina's back)under the bus so her crotch spawn doesn't have to face the consequences of her actions. So she can stay in her good grace's, so she can keep the conditional as long as you kiss my ass I will love you or when she wants something from Nina. Nina's being a coward who is desperately trying to hold on to something with no foundation, not healthy, a relationship where Waffles love comes with conditions, relationship where Nina has to walk around on egg shells. The manipulation by Drew & her to get Willow to have a relationship with Nina which is how their gross relationship started, was sleeping with Sleeze ball while he was sleeping with Waffles too ,even though Nina didn't do anything wrong, didn't know Willow was having a affair with him.

 

She knows Willow is going to blame her take Drew's side once the truth comes out & he gets in her head. I understand, sympathize with Nina at one point as to why she's so desperate for a relationship from the child that was stolen/taken from her, the coma but she needs to shit or get off the pot. She can't keep running around with her head cut off trying to save someone who doesn't want to be saved. A woman who is so fuckin dumb she signed over her's, Michael kids without actually reading the documents to his trifling uncle, that she's having a affair with if something happened to her without the father who is very much still alive permission. Never mind it would never hold up cause those kids have 3 grandparents alive & willing to raise those kids if something happened to her & Michael. Like her spawn is a bird brained who doesn't have 2 brain cells to rub together & isn't fit to raise a fish let alone 2 kids. Nina really needs to stop worrying about rather she's going to like her or not & worry about giving her a reality check before they both lose access to those kids, on account of I can't think for myself letting Drew talk into doing something she shouldn't in name of him wanting revenge on Carson & the Qs.

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As much as i hated Molly and Kristina fighting for no reason, I also hate this 100% on each other's side that they have going now. When Molly was chastizing Natalia for drunk driving, I remembered that Natalia covered for Kristina when she was reckless and hit Natalia's car.

10 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Except now Sasha seems to have mentally rewritten the whole thing, and she claims she just didn't want her pregnancy/baby to get tied up in Michael and Willow's divorce and custody battle.

As soon as she got pregnant with a Carly Jr., her brain has been slowly turned to mush in preparation for her new position in the familyi.

8 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Wylie is dumb. 

If only he were. He talks far too much for my taste, and inherited his mother's brains.

7 hours ago, Perkie said:

 MIchael is now literally related to everyone in one way or another.  It's nuts. 

Maybe that's why they created a family for Natalia. Too bad for Michael that both of her kids are gay.

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On 6/4/2025 at 5:23 PM, KittenPokerCheater said:

I'm generally a Lucky/Liz fan, but this time around, I can't.  Elizabeth grew up.  Lucky did not. And he covered up a crime that nearly got Elizabeth killed- she was lucky to only have a broken leg.

Yes, Lucky is being written as an emotionally immature man. Hoping she'll want to go along with his "let's take Aiden and see the world" idea was ridiculous. It was disrespectful to the life Elizabeth has in Port Charles and completely disregarded Aiden's needs as a teenager.

On 6/4/2025 at 5:31 PM, TVbitch said:

I feel like Lucky is just proposing cuz he is at loose ends and thinks this will give him focus and purpose and make a grown up man out of him. Not sustainable reasons as Liz well knows. Glad she said no. (for now)  

He's romanticizing his childhood with his parents, because Luke is dead.  They weren't helping refugees or taking Lucky on an extended learning adventure through America; they had a life "on the run" because of Luke's enemies. IIRC, the Triple L Diner was fire-bombed by Frank Smith or some Mob associate? That's why L&L told 11-year-old Lucky to take off on his own and find Aunt Ruby in Port Charles. 

Lucky left Port Charles to find purpose/meaning/healing after the pain of Elizabeth's affair with Nikolas, Luke's unrepentant alcoholism/Jake's presumed death, and feeling guilty that Siobhan got murdered in Port Charles (she theoretically would still be alive if she hadn't come "home" with him). When JJ returned briefly for TG's retirement storyline, Lucky alluded to not wanting his family to deal with "the darkness inside" i.e. depression that I assume was because he never resolved the past trauma(s) including being kidnapped and brain washed by Helena. 

By spending the last decade plus in high -risk situations that involved moving around a lot to help people, he has avoided dealing with the past as well as forming real relationships with emotional bonds aside from Isaiah. So, I think JJ has been successful in portraying Lucky as the adult version of his 15-year-old self, who has retained some detective skills from his 2009-'11 run/GV's version of Lucky. He never learned how to parent a teenager or how to be in a relationship with adult Elizabeth rather than the young version who is frozen in time in his memory.

He told Laura and Lulu over breakfast that living with Elizabeth and Aiden "feels right." I think the rushed proposal was Lucky's misguided way of "stepping up" to be the committed partner and father they deserve, i.e. I'm willing to take actions to prove that I can be a regular guy who loves his wife and son in a normal daily life. 

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18 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

It has never once occurred to me in my 25+ years in the working world to have a business meeting by a hotel pool, where it's generally humid and noisy and there's kids running around. Also I find hotel pools kinda gross and a source of disease outbreaks, but anyways Frank gotta show off his set in implausible ways.

Yeah, the thigh-high boots Maxie was wearing during her meeting with Sonny were the opposite of pool wear. I agree the noisy, humid, super casual pool area is not the place for business meetings. That being said, I adore the pool set. It's begun to signify the beginning of summer for me (that and Love Island USA).

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Can Sasha take the baby and go? She didn't want the Qs to know about the baby but mobster is the godfather? Sasha accuses Willow about her choices. 

Wow Nina fessing up to something. Glad she told Sasha. But Sasha has no right acting like she wasn't and hasn't been in wrong. 

Anna does deserve to lose her job for all her running around with Jason. She's pathetic excuse of a police commissioner going to mobsters for help and then tells the warning to Sonny. 

Drew and the "those people" yet also he wants their last name.

Curtis really is going to tell on his wife to his ex in the home he shares with his wife.  

Natalia and all her family can go. 

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20 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Maybe that's why they created a family for Natalia. Too bad for Michael that both of her kids are gay.

Lucas is Michael's uncle and Marco is dating Lucas.  Two degrees of seperation even if not full on related.  

Oh, and Kristina is Michael's sister and she dated Blaze, so again two degrees..........!!!!!

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On 6/8/2025 at 9:05 AM, ASpring1900 said:

Yeah, the thigh-high boots Maxie was wearing during her meeting with Sonny were the opposite of pool wear. I agree the noisy, humid, super casual pool area is not the place for business meetings. That being said, I adore the pool set. It's begun to signify the beginning of summer for me (that and Love Island USA).

THANK YOU!  The way they dress some of these characters boggles my mind.

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In regards to Natalia, I had considered the writers would try to redeem the character, especially with Eva in the part, by bringing in more family, but she’s estranged from her son as well as her daughter and her ex hates her and people keep pointing out she’s prejudiced. So I’m wondering if the writers’ intent really is to show a prejudiced character who isn’t redeemed. If not, I haven’t a clue what they are doing other than they botched her introduction

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19 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

That's all I got, beyond if Lucky is going to tell Lulu she did the right thing and all will be forgiven, I'm not going to miss him. Liz's hug from Lucas was nice.

What he said to Lulu was pretty close to this. 

My heart broke for Elizabeth. She's being an adult, doing what's right for her (and her kids) despite loving Lucky very much. Her good bye lines to Lucky really came across as a woman talking to an overgrown teenage boy. I'm really annoyed that everything regarding Aiden happened off-screen. Basically, Lucky is going to live his fantasy for a summer, minus Elizabeth.

AH really sold me on Lulu's love for her big brother and sadness that he's leaving.

The Gio-Rocco scenes were well done by both young actors. GM did a great job with the 'one good thing to come out of this is we're brothers" moment.

I rolled my eyes at Chase telling Brook Lynn she made the "ultimate sacrifice" by giving up Gio.  No dude, making the "ultimate sacrifice" is when someone dies to protect their loved (ones)/country. Uggghhhh. Also rolling my eyes that Brook Lynn is talking like Lulu is the evilest evil to ever evil and her intention to get legal revenge. She sounds like Kristina talking about Ava.

Lucky better have good bye scenes with both Isaiah and Laura this week. 

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So Michael told Diane that Willow never went to Germany to see him and she will probably bring that up in court. But Willow has receipts for that trip as well as people who know that she went. Will Drew's manipulation finally come out? Not on this show, I bet.

7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Honestly? It shouldn't take Drew being a complete shit for Wiley to think that he's unwanted.

Wylie is not too bright. Or more likely we're supposed to think that Wylie knows that he is so loved, he would never question his privileged position if it weren't for Drew.

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15 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Will Drew's manipulation finally come out? Not on this show, I bet.

It will come out someday. Not in this century, though.

Although it would be pretty funny if Willow lost custody because of what good man Drew did.

I could do without the shots of Carly's dumb face taking over my screen every time Willow or Ric say something she doesn't like.

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10 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I could do without the shots of Carly's dumb face taking over my screen every time Willow or Ric say something she doesn't like.

I'm surprised CM isn't playing Drew with a slight smirk. He's getting everything he wants. 

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i also have to point out Michael, if she flew to Germany, it would show on her passport, you dumbo. 

but as far as he knows, she didn't.

It's easy enough to prove, that's the point. But the way this show goes, it won't matter.

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1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:
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i also have to point out Michael, if she flew to Germany, it would show on her passport, you dumbo. 

but as far as he knows, she didn't.

It's easy enough to prove, that's the point. But the way this show goes, it won't matter.

Right, but again, Michael has no knowledge of that.  Why would he think "maybe she did come to visit me and no one told me?"  It's logical for him to believe she never was there.

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2 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't mean to be argumentative, but why would Willow lie about something so easily proven? It would make more sense for Michael to say he knows nothing about it, not that it never happened.

I didn't realize she told him that--I just thought he said 'she never visited me.'

Regardless, at this point even if Michael says "I never said I wouldn't see you" Willow won't believe it as she's too hypnotized by everything Drew says.

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9 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I didn't realize she told him that--I just thought he said 'she never visited me.'

He wrote "That never happened" on a notepad for Diane to see.

10 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Regardless, at this point even if Michael says "I never said I wouldn't see you" Willow won't believe it as she's too hypnotized by everything Drew says.

Isn't that the truth. I guess we'll see if she has any thoughts of her own when Drew tells her they're moving to D.C. as soon as the ink on the custody order dries. Though I'm not holding my breath.

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2 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

He wrote "That never happened" on a notepad for Diane to see.

Isn't that the truth. I guess we'll see if she has any thoughts of her own when Drew tells her they're moving to D.C. as soon as the ink on the custody order dries. Though I'm not holding my breath.

yeah. (i saw where Cheynne said she didn't see the clip of that). but I think that was my whole argument. If someone said. They did something that could easily be proven, my response wouldn't be that never happened, it would be prove that she did. (or didn't). because that's a big whopper of a lie to say on the stand otherwise. 

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That hat made Ava look so different, I thought it was either a new character or Heather until she started talking.

1 hour ago, DanaK said:

In regards to Natalia, I had considered the writers would try to redeem the character, especially with Eva in the part, by bringing in more family, but she’s estranged from her son as well as her daughter and her ex hates her and people keep pointing out she’s prejudiced. So I’m wondering if the writers’ intent really is to show a prejudiced character who isn’t redeemed. If not, I haven’t a clue what they are doing other than they botched her introduction

Well, she keeps saying that she's not homophobic anymore and that she's sorry for what she said about Kristina and Blaze, but she still acts overbearing and entitled.

So Marco doesn't know that Lulu is Lucas's cousin?

1 hour ago, PatsyandEddie said:

I’m glad Liz has Lucas. They are terrific friends. We need to see more of that. 

Yes, and I'm always glad to see Lucas, he brightens the scenes he's in.

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1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Also rolling my eyes that Brook Lynn is talking like Lulu is the evilest evil to ever evil and her intention to get legal revenge. She sounds like Kristina talking about Ava.

Lulu should have managed the revelation better, but Brook Lynn should know that pursuing a vendetta against her is only going to make things worse.

Glad that Gio recognizes it's hypocritical for Dante to only be sorry for what he said about him because he now knows they're related.

Oh, according to a recent edit on the TV Tropes page for the show, in real life Sasha would have been able to get out of testifying at all because of her condition.

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The writers gave themselves away today.  Lucky's scenes with Elizabeth, and then with Lulu, showed the kind of connection I've been expecting right along.  Obviously they were capable of writing it---they just chose not to, or they were given orders to that effect.  And yes, they'd better give us a scene with Laura before JJ leaves.  This  show seems to specialize in willfully disappointing its fans.

I like that we're getting a little connection between Rocco and Gio, and hope it's not a one-off.  I don't think Gio is going to get past his resentment on his own, mostly because he's not trying to, so I'm hoping there's a plan for someone to help him.  I nominate Tracy.  

The whole Brook Lynn / Lulu thing feels overly manufactured to me, and I think they each need to let go of it.

I don't know what they're trying to do with Cody at the MC pool, but I'm willing to bet I won't like it.  Also, it felt like there was a missing scene that might have connected Kristina's being at the hospital to visit Michael's new baby and her visit to the MC pool to relive the death of her own.  The casual viewer shouldn't have to put those pieces together on their own.

Drew trying to weaponize Wiley in the custody case was low, low, low.  I'm glad it was found out right away because, although I am not a Wiley-hater, I don't think the child actor has the chops yet to carry that kind of story.  Everything else about that storyline is a snooze for me.

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45 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

He wrote "That never happened" on a notepad for Diane to see.

You're good. I could not even read what he wrote, it was so badly written.

Doesn't Diane also know that Willow went to see Michael? I could have sworn Jason told her. And if she does know, she should call a recess to consult with her client.

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I’m thinking the ‘that never happened’ refers to him supposedly not wanting to see Willow? Because yeah, it’s easy enough to prove she was there.

and because it can’t be said enough, DIE, DREW, DIE! What a vile human being he is, using a child to get Willow to turn away from Michael.  This has nothing to do with what’s best for the children because he doesn’t give a damn about them. He just wants to control Willow and get back at Michael. 

Maura West is just stunning and would look good in a burlap sack. Minimal makeup and pool-appropriate attire? 😘

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Rocco is the most mature person on this show.

Wow, JJ shed not one tear with either Liz or Lulu (who was crying). He usually tears up at the drop of a hat. He must be ready to get the hell out of there after what they did with his return. Does this mean no Rocco all summer?! ☹️

So.. Alexis is fine with Kristina baby sitting very young children when she is unhinged and just tried to kill someone? Run, Cody, run! 

When NuMichael was giving Willow his slow, low register "remember this day" speech, I really wanted him to end it with .."I'm Batman." 

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The show doesn’t do quiet, personal moments.  But I’d love to see a scene of Sasha taking the new baby to meet Liam & Brando. Sasha having a one-sided conversation with Brando about everything she’s been through since he died, how much she still misses him (and knows he had to go so Liam wouldn’t be alone), and asking him and Liam to watch over Daisy, would be quite powerful.  

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3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Although it would be pretty funny if Willow lost custody because of what good man Drew did.

Maybe if she does, and finds out about his lies, she'll get mad enough to kill him.

3 hours ago, JMO said:

I don't know what they're trying to do with Cody at the MC pool, but I'm willing to bet I won't like it. 

Based on the last scene with him and Kristina where she says she wants to pay him to do something and the snippet in the next time promo where she says she wants him to seduce someone, it looks like Kristina is going to offer to pay Cody to seduce Ava.

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7 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Based on the last scene with him and Kristina where she says she wants to pay him to do something and the snippet in the next time promo where she says she wants him to seduce someone, it looks like Kristina is going to offer to pay Cody to seduce Ava.

What would that do, though? Ava is not in a relationship with anyone**, so it's not like she'd be cheating. There's nothing at stake, except maybe Ava having some good sex while Cody debases himself to help someone he doesn't even know.

** Ric doesn't count. We know he'll be all over Elizabeth the second he finds out Lucky has left town.

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12 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Based on the last scene with him and Kristina where she says she wants to pay him to do something and the snippet in the next time promo where she says she wants him to seduce someone, it looks like Kristina is going to offer to pay Cody to seduce Ava.

Well, I was right, then.  I don't like it.  Cody is a great example of the writers' inability to define a character and stick with it.  

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