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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

46 minutes ago, rur said:

So I can understand her decision to support her teenage daughter's decision to give the baby up for adoption. I'm wavering a bit more on not letting her father know, but Tracy's behavior today would certainly help me decide not telling the Q's was the right choice. I never heard Tracy say anything about loving or nurturing the child. She talked about Q money and, essentially, possession. Good for Lois saying she supported her daughter's decision. 

Exactly where were Lulu and Dante that Carly could just open the door and barge in without knocking? 

I feel like Lois decided not to give her grandson up despite what she told Brook Lynn about supporting the decision, or she wouldn't have given the baby to someone in her family to raise (as she watched nearby) instead of a couple going through an adoption agency and the regular legal process to become parents. There was no valid reason for anyone to tell Gio he had a father who died in service to his country before Gio was born. He mourned a lie.

In a way, Lois agreed with Tracy. She decided the baby should be raised by family - hers. Not the Quartermaines. You could hear the contempt Lois shows for her ex's family (despite her now living with them as a freeloader). She flat-out said "I wanted better for my grandson." Even if her teenager hadn't sworn her to secrecy, it sounds like she felt Ned's family didn't deserve to know there was a new Quartermaine baby after the way she - Lois - had been treated by Tracy, etc. 

The fact is, Lois lied to her daughter and did what she wanted instead of respecting the real spirit of Brook Lynn's wishes. She doesn't want the truth coming out because she and Gloria are afraid not of "ruining lives" as they claim but of the wrath and hurt from Brook Lynn, Dante and Rocco, Gio, Olivia, Ned, Tracy and especially Sonny after decades of lying to their faces about their own family. Gio should feel especially betrayed by "Aunt Lois" (Grandma) and great grandmother Gloria.

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Bringonthedrama

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Lois deserves every bit of anger she's going to get from Dante when the truth comes out.

"Gio did what he thought was right" ?? Lois seems more upset that Gio got teary eyed than that a boy has alcohol poisoning.

That's going to be her own defense, too. Hey Lois, would that defense work for you if Brook Lynn was the one in the hospital, unconscious? 

Gio showed in the confrontation with Dante that while he's technically an adult, he still thinks like a kid.  Dante and Lulu in tears together as the doctor basically said Cody saved Rocco's life, was rough to watch. I actually don't think Dante was too hard on Gio and I enjoyed watching him blast Lois for "swooping in". God forbid she let Gio talk to Dante alone. "You don't know who he really is!!" So go ahead, Lois, explain because you can't handle watching Dante be mad at the son he doesn't know is his and you think poor Gio doesn't deserve this. 

Lucky, stop being SUCH a coward with Kristina. Hey, how's Elizabeth, the love of your life doing, btw?

Ugh that Carly has taken it upon herself to play mother to Danny. Why didn't lightning strike her when she spoke of taking responsibility? It was odd though to see Danny more emotional over Rocco almost dying than he was when his mom actually died. Yes, I know he feels guilty, but his mother was there his entire life.

Ava and Ric are gross. Alexis is weak.

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statsgirl

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A blind man in a coma could have seen that Lois would reveal who Gio is. Also, as if that would make a difference to Rocco almost dying.

Did Dante ever have the "the dangers of drinking" talk with Rocco?  There is blame to spread around, Dante.

Portia:  "Kai will probably sleep for a long time because of the operation."  [Kai wakes up.] That is the quickest recovery from a spinal surgery in history.

Alexis is being an idiot. She needs to tell Kristina that she knows about the brake line. As Diane pointed out earlier, Alexis always falls on her sword for Kristina and it just ends up making things worse.

When Kristina appeared, it would be an excellent time to have Alexis say "Ric and Ava are blackmailing me." But Alexis won't.

Kristina: "That's why I ended up talking to a therapist when I lost my baby."  My money is on the therapist having no idea how nuts Kristina is because Kristina doesn't tell her.

I really like Carly's outfit with the pink jacket. Also, good talk with Danny.

Will Carly talk to Joss too if she hears that Joss saw Danny there and didn't send him home?

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Getting the kid away from family is one reason to put up a kid for adoption, though. And depending on how the child was conceived, being in such close proximity might be damaging to the mom. It's complicated.

Yes. If the family is toxic or dangerous it is better to get the baby away. But some adoptive families can be toxic too or even just rejecting of a child that is different from themselves so there is no easy answer.

Olivia for one should be furious that she wasn't given the opportunity to raise her grandson while Lois did but given her love of Lois and her disdain for Quartermaine money, she will probably forgive all within an episode.

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dubbel zout

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Shut up, Dante. Rocco is the one at fault here, not Gio. (I know, I know. Dante is yelling at one son about another! And he doesn't know it! Oh, the irony! Zzzz.)

Brad, get the money upfront, before you tell Drew what he wants to know.

50 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

This is what JJ signed up for?

Years away from the show to interact mainly with Kristina who does need to be committed.

And he still hasn't persuaded me, at least, why he's letting Kristina slide on the attempted murder rap. Also, way to make me hate Lucky, Show.

I had to laugh that Kristina is all offended that Alexis hasn't said a word to her about the commitment papers. That's because you aren't talking to her!

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Bringonthedrama

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18 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

 

Did Dante ever have the "the dangers of drinking" talk with Rocco?  There is blame to spread around, Dante.

The audience hasn't specifically been told. Danny was grounded for getting drunk and brought home to Dante and Sam by the police. The kids knew Danny was in trouble/being punished (Scout mentioned it) but the adults have not said whether they talked to both boys about alcohol.

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Perkie

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22 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Lois seems more upset that Gio got teary eyed than that a boy has alcohol poisoning.

and 

22 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

and you think poor Gio doesn't deserve this. 

 

In Lois (and Gio's) defence, Gio is not responsible for any of this.  It's on Danny for dragging Rocco to the party.  It's on Danny for dumping Rocco there.  It's on Rocco for drinking to excess.  

All Gio did was take Rocco home.  Yes, he took him to the boathouse because Danny begged him not to bring him to the house for fear of getting in trouble.  Gio agreed to sit with Rocco, something that was not his responsibility, And then  Cody got there and took over.   It's on Danny that neither Dante nor Lulu was called.  

24 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

A blind man in a coma could have seen that Lois would reveal who Gio is.

What a completely inorganic way to do it though.  And even then, I'm not sure she'll end up saying anything more than what she has.  

25 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

That is the quickest recovery from a spinal surgery in history.

Do they really get people up and walking so soon after surgery?   I know they don't like dragging stuff out, (see Lulu coming out of a 4 year coma), but having Kai wake up after major surgery and be alert and then minutes later having him stand up is crazy.  It's ok if it's tomorrow in real land and in reel land, if he gets up out of bed.  I remember after having kidney surgery, waking up and being so confused and spaced out and it was the next day before I was allowed up.  Both my C sections, it was at least 12 hours later before I was told to get up.  Eeesh!!!

29 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

she will probably forgive all within an episode.

You're assuming Olivia will be given a point of view.  This will be all about how Lulu feels and Olivia's take will be 3445 days later as an afterthought of what she thought about it at the time.  Ned too.  

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

1 minute ago, Perkie said:

In Lois (and Gio's) defence, Gio is not responsible for any of this. 

All Gio did was take Rocco home.  Yes, he took him to the boathouse because Danny begged him not to bring him to the house for fear of getting in trouble.  Gio agreed to sit with Rocco, something that was not his responsibility, And then  Cody got there and took over.   It's on Danny that neither Dante nor Lulu was called.  

I agree Gio was not responsible for Rocco deciding to drink. Rocco and Danny made poor adolescent decisions. 

But I don't think Dante was wrong to call out Gio. If Gio wants to be perceived as an independent college student and responsible adult than he should behave like one. IMO he became the responsible adult as soon as he knew this younger boy was in real trouble. "I didn't want him/them to get in trouble" is a childish response in a serious situation and Lois isn't helping by forever coddling Gio because he's her secret grandson.

Danny is still a child who thinks like a child, which is why he didn't call Dante and Lulu.  This is what, the third or fourth time he's shown poor/dangerous/reckless judgement? Drinking, sneaking out, confronting Cyrus ...

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JMO

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Dante is usually the calm, collected, logical one in any given situation.  I mean, to a fault.  I've spent enough days yelling at him on screen to show some emotion.  So I'm going to need more than a passing "I can't lose you, too" to explain why he went after Gio as he did today.  Other than writer-driven plot manipulation, that is.  I expected him to have cooled down for his not-so-private talk with Gio, and was surprised when he hadn't.  No way this is Gio's fault or responsibility, and everyone seems to know it, except Dante.  I suspect Lois' statement is a teaser, and I don't expect there to be a revelation any time soon.  Still rooting for Tracy to figure the whole thing out.  

I didn't mind Carly's talk with Danny, and hope that we'll see Danny talk with Dante, and with Rocco.  I don't really care if we see Jason talk with Danny.

The whole Kristina/Alexis/Ava/Rick thing is ridiculous, and yes, I'm annoyed that JJ is relegated to playing these scenes.  

ETA---If I was the surgeon who did the highly risky surgery on a young athlete's spine, I would have the heads of everyone who thought it was a good Idea for him to stand up and take a step within hours of my closing the incision.  

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4 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

The fact is, Lois lied to her daughter and did what she wanted instead of respecting the real spirit of Brook Lynn's wishes. She doesn't want the truth coming out because she and Gloria are afraid not of "ruining lives"

It should ruin lives ... Lois' and Gloria's specifically. But this show...

53 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Gio showed in the confrontation with Dante that while he's technically an adult, he still thinks like a kid. 

He isn't an adult ... the frontal cortex in the male only develops fully at ages 30 - 50 (Jung would not treat a man under the age of 35 because he was too immature). Of course his first reactions would be to protect Rocco from getting into trouble. Even Cody's reaction was until he noticed that Rocco's breathing was off and he knew enough to realize that that's a danger sign.

If Dante has not had the "this is why you shouldn't drink or be influenced by other to" with Rocco yet, then he has to take some of the blame too. DZ was playing it with enough nuance that it's possible that Dante blames himself somewhat what happened.

24 minutes ago, Perkie said:

What a completely inorganic way to do it though.  And even then, I'm not sure she'll end up saying anything more than what she has.  

Even if she doesn't I'll bet that Lulu gets the clue.

Let's get this finally over with.

ETA: Carly calling Danny an adrenaline junkie was interesting because that's a term often used for someone with ADHD. Danny's ppor judgement and difficulty learning from past mistakes could be ADHD-like

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dubbel zout

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Is anyone going to clue Jason in on what his kid did? He's the one who should be talking to Danny, not Carly. Maybe it's time for Jason to give Danny a little less freedom, since he doesn't seem to be very good at handling it right now.

Gio's glower/scared face/worry face needs some work.

If Ric doesn't want Ava to cut the brakes of the new car I'm presuming he's getting, he needs to stop mentioning Elizabeth, heh.

10 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

But I don't think Dante was wrong to call out Gio.

As soon as Gio saw Rocco, he did something. Gio isn't a doctor—how would he know Rocco was in trouble? The only reason Cody knew is because he had more experience with drinking. So for Dante to keep blaming Gio is wrong. Gio didn't bring the boys to the party, he didn't give them booze, he didn't ignore them. Gio did the most he could do, except maybe call Dante or Lulu, but for Gio not to want to get the boys in trouble is understandable. Again, shut up, Dante.

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Yes perkie, they do. 
my husband had a double by pass that was over at 5 pm and he was up in the chair for breakfast in ICU the next day. 
there are too many complications that can come from staying in bed too long like blood clots in the legs/ groin and embolisms that are fatal. 
I noticed that Kai’s face over Trina’s shoulder didn’t look too happy so perhaps things aren’t as rosy as he saying 

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Perkie

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20 minutes ago, JMO said:

Still rooting for Tracy to figure the whole thing out.  

and 

19 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Even if she doesn't I'll bet that Lulu gets the clue.

 Yep. Maybe if Tracy had been there and heard what Lois said, but Lulu overhearing it, she's going to be the one to figure it out first.  This whole thing is all.  about.  Lulu.  

 

19 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Is anyone going to clue Jason in on what his kid did?

Jason's in LA babysitting his lover, I mean, employer after his heart surgery.  

 

29 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

But I don't think Dante was wrong to call out Gio

He threatened to have Gio arrested.  That's cuckoo bananas!

 

19 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

my husband had a double by pass that was over at 5 pm and he was up in the chair for breakfast in ICU the next day.

But that's still 12 hours later.  

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I really hate this kind of writing.

Gio's biggest mistake was to not let Dante and/or Lulu know that Rocco was drunk as a skunk. But Dante is acting like Gio held Rocco's mouth open and forced the booze down his throat.

It's heavy-handed per usual with this show and these writers, which means that the reveal is coming.

Let's just get this over with. This has been dragging for months now. 

Carly mothering Danny was, ugh.

Jason giving too much space to his teenaged son is very on brand.

Someone should toss Kristina into a cell and kick Lucky back to Africa.

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dubbel zout

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24 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

there are too many complications that can come from staying in bed too long like blood clots in the legs/ groin and embolisms that are fatal. 

Exactly. They want you up and moving around as quickly as possible. I had abdominal surgery years ago that required a number of IV and drainage tubes, and even then the nurses (gently) nagged me to get out of bed. Sitting in a chair was a good first step, but they really wanted me to be walking around. I told them if they could remove at least one of the tubes I'd do whatever they want (it was so cumbersome to try to wrangle everything), and when that did happen, I paraded myself around the nurses station to show them I kept my promise. My favorite nurse said, "It makes me so happy to see you here!" When your nurse is happy, it's a very good thing!

 

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Daisy

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11 minutes ago, Perkie said:

That's cuckoo bananas!

Manny Santos; Degrassi. haha

but i'm with yadayada.  Dante is only mad at Gio because this is going to come out it's basically Sonny shooting Dante and Olivia screaming "SONNY, YOU SHOT YOUR OWN SON!"

Only the build up is more pathetic, the reasoning of the grr-arging is pathetic, and this shouldn't be happening because Gio shouldn'tbe anyone's kid on the canvas. 

still pissed the hell off that they legit biologically connected the Q's to Sonny's stupid ass. 

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Cheyanne11

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36 minutes ago, Daisy said:

this is going to come out it's basically Sonny shooting Dante and Olivia screaming "SONNY, YOU SHOT YOUR OWN SON!"

I just realized this will lead to Olivia screaming at Lois about how "ya had no right!" and Lois throwing it in Olivia's face that she didn't tell Sonny about Dante, which will lead to much 'jabbing fingers in the air' and Olivia crossing herself at least four times and asking God if this is her punishment for that.

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Bringonthedrama

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43 minutes ago, JMO said:

Dante is usually the calm, collected, logical one in any given situation.  I mean, to a fault.  I've spent enough days yelling at him on screen to show some emotion.  So I'm going to need more than a passing "I can't lose you, too" to explain why he went after Gio as he did today.  Other than writer-driven plot manipulation, that is.  I expected him to have cooled down for his not-so-private talk with Gio, and was surprised when he hadn't.

The doctor just told Dante and Lulu that Rocco would most likely be in a coma had Cody not made the decision that Rocco needed to go to the hospital immediately. Dante is still traumatized by Sam's unexpected death after worrying for weeks or months by comatose Lulu's bedside that she would die. Now he sees his son is in a hospital bed, unconscious at first. I think the words about coma and near death of his child after so much trauma just six months ago was too much for him. 

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JMO

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22 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Exactly. They want you up and moving around as quickly as possible. I had abdominal surgery years ago that required a number of IV and drainage tubes, and even then the nurses (gently) nagged me to get out of bed. Sitting in a chair was a good first step, but they really wanted me to be walking around. I told them if they could remove at least one of the tubes I'd do whatever they want (it was so cumbersome to try to wrangle everything), and when that did happen, I paraded myself around the nurses station to show them I kept my promise. My favorite nurse said, "It makes me so happy to see you here!" When your nurse is happy, it's a very good thing!

 

Admittedly, movement is the best thing.  But for risky spinal surgery, it shouldn't come until your imported specialist surgeon has cleared you, and not until you're surrounded by medical personnel beyond the co-chief-of-staff.  

I've seen videos of people on ECMO walking the hallways, especially with Covid.  It's amazing, and they need a full entourage to pull it off, but it can be critical.  

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

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22 minutes ago, JMO said:

not until you're surrounded by medical personnel beyond the co-chief-of-staff.  

You're forgetting this is GH, where every doctor is an expert in every specialty.

I would laugh so hard if Kai wrecked his recovery chances because Portia was distracted by seeing Drew and Brad together and Kai fell over.

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statsgirl

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51 minutes ago, JMO said:

Admittedly, movement is the best thing.  But for risky spinal surgery, it shouldn't come until your imported specialist surgeon has cleared you, and not until you're surrounded by medical personnel beyond the co-chief-of-staff. 

It's still the same evening. Joss and Emma were with Trina as the surgery started and then headed off to the beach party as the surgery was going on where Rocco was drinking.

For a tricky surgery like that, Kai could still be in the OR. At best, he would be groggy from the anaesthetic and maybe throwing up. But they needed Portia up and around so that Drew could run in to lambaste her so plot.

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KerleyQ

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1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I just realized this will lead to Olivia screaming at Lois about how "ya had no right!" and Lois throwing it in Olivia's face that she didn't tell Sonny about Dante, which will lead to much 'jabbing fingers in the air' and Olivia crossing herself at least four times and asking God if this is her punishment for that.

I can't remember now, did Lois know Dante was Sonny's son all along? Because if she did, it definitely gives her all kinds of room to shoot down any anger Olivia may have. If Olivia was protecting Dante, then Lois was protecting Gio the same way. 

Of course, more importantly, it was BLQ's decision. She didn't want Dante and his family to know about her pregnancy.  That wasn't even Lois's call to make.  Of course, Lois fucked around with BLQ's choices in other ways, but not telling Olivia was respecting her wishes. Lois allowed her daughter to make the same kind of choices Olivia made. 

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

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14 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

I can't remember now, did Lois know Dante was Sonny's son all along? Because if she did, it definitely gives her all kinds of room to shoot down any anger Olivia may have. If Olivia was protecting Dante, then Lois was protecting Gio the same way. 

I don't think she knew. Lois has a hard time keeping secrets from Sonny.

Unless they're her own.

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GHScorpiosRule

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Good Jeebus CRIPES on a CRACKER!!!

The Kai actor didn’t even try to act as if he were just coming out of surgery with the effects of anesthesia! Ric Hearst did it so much better. Kai looked like he was fake sleeping and waiting for the right moment to say “I’m awake!”

Frank is so GODDAMNED cheap he couldn’t fork up the money for a day player to be Dr. Mohinder? You know, the actual surgeon? He would be the one to check up on his patient! And right on cue, Portia, addressing Kai as “Mr. Whatever his surname is” when she’s called him Kai up until now.

I figured it out-Instead of ponying up the 💴 for a PSA about mental health or whatever illness awareness month it is (May is Mental Health Awareness month), Frank is writing in characters talking about them. Two months ago it was Verna and actor who plays Lucas about kidney/or whatever it was that could lead to Díabetes. Today, it was JJ, talking about mental health.

That Kristina is so TONE DEAF and STOOPID that it doesn’t occur to her that Alexis could have found out she tried to kill Ava is par for the course with her. And a Lying Liar she is because she SO didn’t go to therapy after losing the baby, but Temp!Sam made sure she did months later. And she’s been too busy going around town threatening Ava.

Can someone PLEASE put a GAG on Lois? She had no business being there while Dante reamed Gio. What is he, a child? It’s Danny who needs to be reaming considering that this was the SECOND time he was drinking. I fast forwarded a lot of Sam and Dante-so don’t know if Danny promised he wouldn’t drink again. But teens gonna teen and lie, so he did it again. Of course Cujo would soothe him instead of marching his ass to Lulu and Dante.

I love Dr. Park!

4 minutes ago, Daisy said:

i only watch the clip of the day so i can discuss it with y'all. 
I'm trying to figure out why Brad is telling Drew about being drugged. 

Because Portia told him no one would believe she did it and she set him up to be the Fall Guy and he now has to do whatever she says.

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2 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Of course Cujo would soothe him instead of marching his ass to Lulu and Dante.

I actually liked her convo with .danny. No she didn’t march him down to the hospital. But she did drill into him that he’s responsible for what happened because he took Rocco to the party and then left him alone. She also told him he had to apologizing to Dante, lulu and Rocco, and take responsibility. I think that will go a lot farther than dragging him down there. She’s letting him know he was wrong, why and what he needs to do to make it right. Now it’s on him to do the right thing. If he doesn’t, I’m sure she will drag him down there. 

Is it her place? Maybe not but his mother isn’t there and his grandmother is too preoccupied with her own kid and ric/Ava, plus she doesn’t know what happened.  Carly didn’t make excuses for  Danny, she didn’t coddle him. And at the moment she’s the only one around who is available. His father is currently in LA with the only person who truly matters to him.

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1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Frank is so GODDAMNED cheap he couldn’t fork up the money for a day player to be Dr. Mohinder? You know, the actual surgeon?

You do realize that Frank Valentini is keeping GH on-air by being "so GODDAMNED cheap" because ABC is barely willing to spend peanuts on it. I'm grateful for his ability to pinch pennies because even with all its flaws, this is the only soap I watch, and I don't want to lose it.

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Bringonthedrama

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54 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Can someone PLEASE put a GAG on Lois? She had no business being there while Dante reamed Gio. What is he, a child? It’s Danny who needs to be reaming considering that this was the SECOND time he was drinking.

Seriously. Dante walked away with Gio to speak in private, so Lois followed to make sure Dante didn't get to speak to him privately because she does indeed think of/see him as a child. She is determined to protect her secret precious grandbaby.  Was she concerned at all about Rocco, her grandbaby's brother, who almost died? Didn't look like it. 

Danny told Carly he only held a cup and then went off to play volleyball so he didn't consume any alcohol. But he still took a cup of alcohol and pressured Rocco to hold a cup, to look cool and socialize. 

46 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

Is it her place? Maybe not but his mother isn’t there and his grandmother is too preoccupied with her own kid and ric/Ava, plus she doesn’t know what happened.  Carly didn’t make excuses for  Danny, she didn’t coddle him. And at the moment she’s the only one around who is available. His father is currently in LA with the only person who truly matters to him.

His actual family, Aunt Molly, is available. Yes, I know she has not raised children to adulthood, but it would be good for him to know how courts view his and Rocco's actions in the event Rocco had gone into a coma or died. That could certainly make them think about the future. 

Also, Carly was wrong about something - Rocco is not Danny's "little brother." Danny should be younger. If not for SORASing Danny up to 14ish he should be 11/12 years old.

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Suicidy 2.0

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On 5/5/2025 at 1:19 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

Lulu only knows Brook Lynn and Dante had a son. 

Lois told Martin (just out of ear shot of Gio and others in the Q mansion) that the young man there - Gio - is the child of Brook Lynn and Dante. Brook Lynn also told her OB/GYN doctor that she had a baby in the past, when she and Chase were a little frustrated that she wasn't pregnant after a few months of trying to conceive. They both decided to have tests done about fertility, and here we are now.

He's still passed out; Danny found out and went back to the party and asked Gio (of course) for help getting Rocco back to the Q property. Danny left the boathouse to go get water, aspirin, etc. for Rocco while Gio stayed with him. Then Cody discovered them. 

EDIT: Cody and Gio got Rocco to the hospital for alcohol poisoning and Dante is under the impression Rocco was drinking at a college party on the beach with/because of Gio.

Lois sounded so much like Carly with the "this family" line to Tracy. It's clear from that scene IMO that Lois didn't want Gio being raised by the Quartermaines, once Brook Lynn said she wasn't ready to be a parent/wanted adoption.  I'm Team Tracy here.

The whole thing where teenagers drinking is results in either a horrible tragedy or a near miss every time is such a tired trope.  On my 18th birthday I down a pint of Bacardi 151 in a very short time and I got mild alcohol poisoning where I felt like shit for about two days.  The odds that he could consume enough alcohol to be life threatening are extremely low.   But god forbid that high school kids are depicted acting realistically with realistic outcomes.

9 hours ago, statsgirl said:

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It should ruin lives ... Lois' and Gloria's specifically. But this show...

He isn't an adult ... the frontal cortex in the male only develops fully at ages 30 - 50 (Jung would not treat a man under the age of 35 because he was too immature). Of course his first reactions would be to protect Rocco from getting into trouble. Even Cody's reaction was until he noticed that Rocco's breathing was off and he knew enough to realize that that's a danger sign.

If Dante has not had the "this is why you shouldn't drink or be influenced by other to" with Rocco yet, then he has to take some of the blame too. DZ was playing it with enough nuance that it's possible that Dante blames himself somewhat what happened.

Even if she doesn't I'll bet that Lulu gets the clue.

Let's get this finally over with.

ETA: Carly calling Danny an adrenaline junkie was interesting because that's a term often used for someone with ADHD. Danny's ppor judgement and difficulty learning from past mistakes could be ADHD-like

This whole storyline is asinine.  It just doesn’t really happen like this.  And who expects teenagers to narc out their friends if they drink too much?  

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14 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

couldn’t fork up the money for a day player to be Dr. Mohinder? You know, the actual surgeon?

I was wondering if we'd ever see Dr. Mohinder. It cracks me up they went to all this trouble to give him a name and a bit of history and he's a ghost. Heh.

14 hours ago, Sake614 said:

[Danny's] father is currently in LA with the only person who truly matters to him.

I totally forgot that Jason was in LA. Will he find out about this while he's still there and fly home early to deal with or will Carly play in loco parentis and Jason will hear of it only when he's back in PC? Either way, I doubt Jason will be much of a parent here. He can't even give his kid a hug, FFS.

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9 hours ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

The whole thing where teenagers drinking is results in either a horrible tragedy or a near miss every time is such a tired trope.  On my 18th birthday I down a pint of Bacardi 151 in a very short time and I got mild alcohol poisoning where I felt like shit for about two days.  The odds that he could consume enough alcohol to be life threatening are extremely low.   But god forbid that high school kids are depicted acting realistically with realistic outcomes

I dunno. I think it’s a good idea to drill home the consequences of drinking, be it underage or not. Rocco had zero experience with booze and got sucked into a drinking game with college kids. Chances are he downed a lot more than a pint of alcohol. That’s the point of drinking games—to see who can drink the most and stay on their feet. It’s a stupid idea born from stupid kids, and yes it absolutely can lead to death. Of course in this case, we all know the only reason he got so sick is to bring out the ‘big reveal’ that Gio is Dante’s son. But overall, I have no problem with the story. What I do have a problem with is that Joss will skate when she could have put an end the evening before it started. She’ll find out in the morning, tell Carly she saw Danny and Carly will say ‘it’s not your fault, you couldn’t have known what would happen.’ Or words to that effect.

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Fatal alcohol poisoning among adolescents is, thankfully, rare.  But poisoning that requires medical evaluation is not all that uncommon.  There are certain performers whose concerts are notorious for their fans' drinking, and the ED staff all look at their schedules when the concert dates are announced, to see who will have the misfortune of dealing with drunken adolescents (and angry parents) and adults.  Sounds like they'll need to start doing the same in PC for college beach nights.  

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3 hours ago, Sake614 said:

I dunno. I think it’s a good idea to drill home the consequences of drinking, be it underage or not. Rocco had zero experience with booze and got sucked into a drinking game with college kids.

Agreed. The reason it's a cliche is that every incoming high school class has to learn this lesson for themselves again and again and again. College freshmen, too, for that matter. 

That said, I also agree that the main problem with the execution is that we all know this isn't even about Rocco but causing conflict for Dante and Gio. 

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13 hours ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

This whole storyline is asinine.  It just doesn’t really happen like this.  And who expects teenagers to narc out their friends if they drink too much?  

 

I understand that Dante's point is Gio is legally an adult and no longer a teenager (age 21 I think?) but is still talking like he's a kid by trying not to narc on a teenager when it was a serious situation. Threating to arrest Gio was a bit over the top, but it was an empty threat since he didn't have handcuffs and wasn't on duty.

As for today: GF for the win! I really loved Grandma Laura's chat with Rocco, seeing Laura, Dante and Lulu rally together in his hospital room with love, the Laura-Lulu hug and the Dante-Rocco unconditional love moment.

Lois can take her righteous indignation and shove it since she's still lying. I can't with her attitude like Rocco has a no big deal minor concussion and her poor baby Gio is the one really suffering.  Good for Chase standing up for Dante when Lois was complaining about him to them.

Alexis, PLEASE stop being a coward. I'm begging you. 

Dante talking to Jason about Danny tomorrow should be interesting.

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35 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Well??? Did Lois blurt out that Gio was "HISSON!" to Dante today?

No.   Dante screamed at Gio some more like a crazy person.   Lois screamed at Dante that Gio wasn't to blame and that Dante feels guilty for not being there for his son (Rocco, not Gio!!)  Dante claimed Lois and Gloria coddled Gio growing up never letting him take responsibiilty.  Lulu interupted, Lois got a parting shot and left.  

Later, Lulu made herself a note to find out where Lois was when Gio was born.  So, she's figured it out.  

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