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Bringonthedrama

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Poor Trina, there are three extras at her surprise birthday party while the father who raised her, her best friend, and her pseudo-cousin TJ are missing. 

Or was the birthday party just the set up for her and Laura to talk about Spencer and show she's moved on with Kai?

I call bs on Rocco missing Charlotte so very much while visiting Grandpa's new place. They never had a relationship on-screen in the four years Lulu was in a coma.

Kristina has some audacity asking Dr. Gannon to drop Rocco off at the Qs so she can confront her father. Dr. Gannon has met Kristina only once, has never been to the Qs/they don't know him, and this is the first time he and Rocco have met. Ugh.

Lucky better be nuLulu's next call now that her kids are reunited.

The Show has gone two weeks without Lucky having a significant conversation or big emotional scene with Elizabeth, his mother, sister or son despite the "we have a lot to talk about line" in the hospital to Elizabeth. I hate that!

 

 

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17 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Is Charlotte going to move in with Lulu now, who has moved in with Laura and Ace in the apartment where Lucky has also moved in?  How does Kevin (who?) feel about all of Laura's family (except for the one in jail)  living wit him?

Lucky is more or less shacking up with Elizabeth at this point, so space would be freeing up.

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

They'll move into the Q mansion so Charlotte can be with her brothers. And Lulu can continue to berate BL for her choices 20 years ago that have nothing to do with Lulu whatsoever. If any home in Port Charles has limitless space, it's the Q mansion.

This will bring the most drama. Plus, Charlotte and Danny might be distantly related enough (Alexis and Valentin are cousins) to pair them up for the “I can’t believe you fell for my sister!” of it all. 

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Bringonthedrama

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22 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

Plus, Charlotte and Danny might be distantly related enough (Alexis and Valentin are cousins) to pair them up for the “I can’t believe you fell for my sister!” of it all. 

It wouldn't surprise me since Charlotte briefly dated her cousin Aiden's older brother, Jake, who also called Laura "Grandma" before he went off to college in Spain.

However, IIRC, Valentin and Alexis are not actually cousins since he turned out to be Helena's son with a man who was not Mikkos. 

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statsgirl

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Victor is Mikkos' brother so Valentin and Alexis are first cousins, making Charlotte and Sam second cousins. I guess that would make Charlotte and Danny second cousins once removed.

Is this some kind of special birthday year for Trina? I could understand a family birthday dinner but is this large multi-generational friends party for a regular birthday something that's common in New York?

Why does Carly get to always have a romantic relationship in her life? (I guess that's a rhetorical question.) There are characters like Alexis and Diane, roughly the same age, who rarely get romantic relationships and if they do, they are blown up quickly (e.g. Neal). But Carly, who has more than enough in her life, is never without a man around.

I was expecting Carly to find out about Joss while Brennan was in the shower but Valentin showing up works too.

16 hours ago, ciarra said:

It's like Sam's ever-expanding apartment -- the one that always had an extra bedroom, no matter how many kids and adults lived there. 

LOL. That reminded me of a scene in Tamora Pierce's The Realms of the Gods where in the realm you could pinch out a piece of the wall and a chair would instantly form. Maybe Sam got her place from there.

1 hour ago, driver18 said:

Besides, Brooklyn is not keeping this secret to protect her "baaaby!!!!" Her "baaaaby!" is a 21 year old grown-ass adult. Brooklyn is doing this because she doesn't want to risk blowing up her life once again!! with her lies and secret-keeping.

She would be blowing up her son's life. If he were looking for her, that's one thing (being on a registry is the best solution), but she doesn't know that he is looking for her and she doesn't have a right to interrupt his life if he isn't. Worse, Gio doesn't even know that he's adopted. Finding out now may be great for him, but it may also be awful and cause him to question everything he knew about his relationship with the woman he knows as his mother and who he is proud of and loves deeply. I don't think that Brook Lynn has any right to do that.

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Cheyanne11

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So they're first cousins.  They initially thought they were half-siblings.

I don't even know what that makes the daughter and grandson of cousins.  Charlotte and Sam would be second cousins, so Sam's son would be Charlotte's...second cousin, once removed?  I don't know.

ETA: Jinx, statsgirl!

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dubbel zout

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14 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Poor Trina, there are three extras at her surprise birthday party while the father who raised her, her best friend, and her pseudo-cousin TJ are missing. 

They didn't even mention Taggart. Ugh. 

How did Kai get to the party before Trina? Express wormhole, I guess.

I'd have laughed so hard if a dripping-wet Spencer showed up at the gallery.

Jack wasn't nearly hard enough on Carly for her about-face.

8 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I was expecting Carly to find out about Joss while Brennan was in the shower but Valentin showing up works too.

It's a shame Valentin didn't shoot Carly when she opened the door.

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Bringonthedrama

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26 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

As a 16 year old ( ish) can Charlotte stopped using Poppa? It really infantalizes her. 

Could be Valentin's preference.  My cousin's (very controlling) husband wanted their daughters to call him Poppa from birth, and to my knowledge they still do even though they're 16 and 14 now. I've heard my cousin say "You better tell/ask your poppa..."

Although in conversations with other people, the elder daughter will say, "My dad ..."

 

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absnow54

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47 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

As a 16 year old ( ish) can Charlotte stopped using Poppa? It really infantalizes he

Like geez, refer to him as “my father” or even his preferred pronouns every now and then. Poppa has become nails on a chalkboard because she repeats it a billion times per scene. 

47 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

And bingo in the Q's kitchen, srsly? 

Yuri was having so much fun!

I keep on forgetting that Kristina is both Rocco’s and Danny/Scout’s aunt. 

Speaking of which, even Kristina, who I can’t stand, has better chemistry with Isaiah than Jordan. 

Now that Ava has delivered a promo worthy “Drew has it coming to him” speech, I think we’re finally getting to the whodunnit. 

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driver18

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

She would be blowing up her son's life. If he were looking for her, that's one thing (being on a registry is the best solution), but she doesn't know that he is looking for her and she doesn't have a right to interrupt his life if he isn't. Worse, Gio doesn't even know that he's adopted. Finding out now may be great for him, but it may also be awful and cause him to question everything he knew about his relationship with the woman he knows as his mother and who he is proud of and loves deeply. I don't think that Brook Lynn has any right to do that.

Again, he's an adult. Dante has a right to know he has a son out there. And since Brooklyn knows what kind of person Dante is, she knows that Dante would think of that aspect because Dante is a wonderful, respectful person. Unlike Brooklyn.

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Winston Wolfe

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On 3/13/2025 at 6:25 PM, sashabear21 said:
On 3/13/2025 at 3:57 PM, sacrebleu said:

Murder on the McConkey Esplanade does not have the same ring to it ( unfortunately)

If Drew gets murdered on the McConkey Esplanade, with all it’s proposed shopping and restaurants, I really hope he gets shanked outside of a Hot Topic or Red Lobster. 

Important question - does Drew's demise include being "conked" on the head?

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ciarra

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If Valentin was coming to Port Charles anyway, why didn't he just bring Charlotte back himself?  Other than Jason and Anna needing screen time.

Is that tiny birthday cake supposed to feed that many people? 

Kristina to Isaiah:  As well as being summoned to Sonny's to provide (free?) medical care, can you drive Rocco home?  Like you're an UBER driver, or something?

And Isaiah, how is he supposed to know if Sonny is doing better, using just a stethoscope?   Isaiah isn't a cardiologist.  He didn't even have one of those portable EKG thingies from Amazon. 

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GHScorpiosRule

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Oh please do STFU, Loolooo. As if being “scrappy”*  means you would have been able to handle the ASSASINS who had guns and would have shot you without blinking.

I 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 at the “snacks” at Trina’s surprise birthday party. I served the mini pretzels at my informal 17th last minute get together!

Also, STFU Kristina and mind your own fucking business. Mooby should have just told her his bipolar meds needed adjusting if he didn’t want this spawn of his to worry.

The whole show was just 😴😴😴😴😴😴
*More like the super annoying Scrappy Doo mutt.

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12 hours ago, ciarra said:

If Valentin was coming to Port Charles anyway, why didn't he just bring Charlotte back himself?  Other than Jason and Anna needing screen time.

He didn't want the WSB to know he was going to be in PC, especially since it looks like he poisoned the champagne.

I honestly thought it was the last time we saw Valentin on screen for a while.

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Bringonthedrama

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28 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm sure we were supposed to find Gloria bringing all of her bingo gear from Bensonhurst hi-larious, but I found it so stupid, as well as more of the gross stereotyping the show does with everyone from Bensonhurst.

It was stupid to have their scenes in the Q mansion's kitchen as opposed to Bensonhurst or literally anywhere else in Port Charles. Rocco already overheard one conversation right there, so BLQ's father, stepmother, other grandmother, Gio himself, or any of the kids including Rocco could find out this "secret." 

The audacity of Lois and Gloria to have this conversation about keeping the secret from Dante and the Q family while Lois is living there in her ex-husband's family home for no reason. 

The only time it would have been appropriate for Gloria to visit and Lois to stay there (other than wedding preparation) was when BLQ was in critical condition in the hospital from being attacked. Yet none of her Bensonhurst family showed up.

27 minutes ago, JMO said:

DId anyone else think it was odd that Dante was on screen for 10 seconds of the episode, and didn't even have a line?  

I think he was meant to be there to flash happy/loving eyes at nuLulu (after their conversation at Maxie's, Maxie telling him Lulu is still in love with him, and him telling Chase they're in a good place)  as she's giving Rocco this moment with his sister/getting their family back together as opposed to BLQ choosing in the same episode to continue not to tell Dante that he has a son and Rocco has a brother.

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ciarra

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2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:
14 hours ago, ciarra said:

If Valentin was coming to Port Charles anyway, why didn't he just bring Charlotte back himself?  Other than Jason and Anna needing screen time.

To keep her safe. It's easier to slink back into town alone than drag along a teenager.

I don't know how much safer she would be, seeing as though the assassins followed the two dimwits to the house in Buenos Aires.

It wouldn't take much for the WSB to track Anna.  I assume she'd need to use her passport at some point of the trip. 

JMO

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48 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I think he was meant to be there to flash happy/loving eyes at nuLulu (after their conversation at Maxie's, Maxie telling him Lulu is still in love with him, and him telling Chase they're in a good place)  as she's giving Rocco this moment with his sister/getting their family back together as opposed to BLQ choosing in the same episode to continue not to tell Dante that he has a son and Rocco has a brother.

I think that's why he was in the scene.  I just thought it was odd that they'd make the poor guy come to work for a ten second reaction shot, when they could have pushed that particular reunion to the following day.  Did they not know what kind of dialogue to write?  I guess we'll find out next week.

Ambrosefolly

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On 3/14/2025 at 11:08 AM, dubbel zout said:

They'll move into the Q mansion so Charlotte can be with her brothers. And Lulu can continue to berate BL for her choices 20 years ago that have nothing to do with Lulu whatsoever. If any home in Port Charles has limitless space, it's the Q mansion.

 

On 3/14/2025 at 2:36 PM, driver18 said:

Lulu wasn't berating her. Lulu was calling her out on her bs, and the crappy-ass way she had and was treating Dante. And, yes, it DOES have something to do with her. Brooklyn has been keeping a MASSIVE secret from Dante, Lulu's ex, someone that Brooklyn claims is her friend, for 21 years. And during those 21 years, Lulu and Dante were married, very much in love, and there are still very strong feelings. 

Lulu's tone was berating. So is Lulu right about Dante being told? Short answer, yes. I understand that Lulu feels she has an obligation to tell Dante, and really can't keep this from Dante or Rocco. Long answer, Lulu is channeling the sanctimonious, petty and rude attitude that plagues all Spencers, especially towards people they don't like. And it doesn't help that unlike Robin, who figured it out on her own with Michael and was told by Maxie about Spencer, she went rifling through a lawyer's private files, thereby grossly invading Brook Lynn's family's privacy.  I hope Lois slaps Lulu if she finds out that is how she came across the info.

She didn't come into her confrontation with Brooklynn with even one ounce of compassion by apologizing to Brook Lynn for stumbling across the information, letting her know she can't keep it to herself but giving Brook Lynn a few days or weeks to get herself together and tell Dante herself. No, it was guns blazing, super supreme b*tch mode. Same attitude Carly had towards Nina that stopped Nina about telling her about Sonny, and her attitude towards Robin, even though she knew Robin knew about Michael. 

Lulu attitude reminds of a client my boss recently had. The magazine I worked for did screw up her ad, but she was so nasty to my boss in emails I couldn't help think "Lady, I agree you were wronged, but I now really don't want to help you. How the f*ck are you as successful as you claim to be if this is how you treat people who are trying to help you?"

I also doesn't see any malice towards Dante behind BL keeping the baby a secret. She probably didn't want to think (at 16!) about giving up a child as she was still a kid herself. It isn't that weird for a teen girl, even in the real world, to not tell the baby daddy about the kid, especially if she is giving the kid up for adoption. 

Side note: GH needs to work out its SORASing. According to AI, Dante isn't much older than BL, but Sonny & Olivia had Dante when they were in their mid to late teens, and Lois, with Ned, had BL when she was in her 20s, but Lois, Sonny & Olivia grew up together. Going by that, Dante should be a good 5 to 7 years older, (which is the real age difference between AS & DZ), and that includes SORASing to make BL older. So what is it now? Did Lois have BL in her teens too (which would make Ned a creep) or is Lois now older than Sonny? It wouldn't matter so much if the Cerrulos and Cornithois weren't so intertwine.

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statsgirl

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm sure we were supposed to find Gloria bringing all of her bingo gear from Bensonhurst hi-larious, but I found it so stupid, as well as more of the gross stereotyping the show does with everyone from Bensonhurst.

It's not in blackface territory but still offensive.

Gio is going to pick up Emma, so Yuri goes to get the car for him. I understand if Yuri gets the car for Monica or Tracey but Gio is a healthy 20 year old, he can get the car for himself. Bad strategy to get Gio used to being waited on.

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ciarra

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55 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Gio is going to pick up Emma, so Yuri goes to get the car for him. I understand if Yuri gets the car for Monica or Tracey but Gio is a healthy 20 year old, he can get the car for himself. Bad strategy to get Gio used to being waited on.

It was an awkward way to get Yuri out of the Q kitchen so the wimmen could talk about BLQ's baby, which must remain a secret, but let's talk about it loudly and often.

A better idea would have been, Gio is boxed in on the driveway, and needs Yuri to move a car.

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dubbel zout

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3 hours ago, ciarra said:

I don't know how much safer she would be, seeing as though the assassins followed the two dimwits to the house in Buenos Aires.

Did the kill squad follow Anna and Jason? Or did they track down Valentin via the text? At any rate, the team is after Valentin, not Charlotte, and while they probably wouldn't hesitate to shoot a kid, it complicates things when they don't have to be.

2 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

she went rifling through a lawyer's private files, thereby grossly invading Brook Lynn's family's privacy.

Lulu also grossly invaded Valentin and Martin's privacy.

22 minutes ago, ciarra said:

A better idea would have been, Gio is boxed in on the driveway, and needs Yuri to move a car.

Or Monica needed him upstairs for something. The reasoning didn't have to be so tortured. 

Because I hate this story, I was thinking of how I want the reveal to go, and I want Gio to overhear Lois and Gloria yakking about it. They're the ones who decided he should be adopted by the family friend and have everything be kept a secret. I want him to be absolutely furious with them and show BL compassion, since she didn't even know the baby was a boy until Lulu made her threats.

I want Lulu taken out of the reveal completely.

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Honestly I hope EVERYONE disowns both Lois and Gloria when the truth comes out, but especially Lois. she KNEW that Gio was BL’s son but just had to invite the kid to live in the same house. I still don’t understand how it’s her place to invite anyone to live in the Q mansion? And as much as she keeps saying no one can ever know, every time someone says ‘baby’ or she talks to BL about it, her eyes open really wide and she gets this OMG I’m carrying this huge sekrit around and BL can never know!’ Look on her face. I’m beyond tired of seeing and hearing her. It’s a shitty thing to do to your child, never mind your grandchild.

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I was out of town last week, so I waited until I caught up on episodes before I commented. 

My takeaways: 

- While Jason did a nice job of letting Charlotte know she should back off on her Anna hate, I wish that when she brought up Anna shooting her that Jason  had replied by saying "after you had been stalking and terrorizing her and you had broken into her house and were going through her belongings in the dark."

- As far as the Q crypt goes, gosh, writers, I'd think a variety of more realistic avenues that could have been pursued to thwart Drew at every turn -- grandfathering at the very least. It'd be fun to see him trying plans B, C, and D, but finding out that Tracy (and Edgar, too) had already anticipated a variety of issues. In many places, using a piece of land for X number of years makes that land yours if there were no objections during the time it was used. A nice twist would be that all the public land was donated by the Qs in the first place, so it really wouldn't make any difference if a portion of the crypt were there, or the city could just allow them to use the crypt and donate equivalent land somewhere else. But since Drew is now being turned into an unctuous, mustache-twirling villain, we get more over the top evil so we all cheer when he's killed. 

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Bringonthedrama

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23 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

she went rifling through a lawyer's private files, thereby grossly invading Brook Lynn's family's privacy.  I hope Lois slaps Lulu if she finds out that is how she came across the info.

I also doesn't see any malice towards Dante behind BL keeping the baby a secret. She probably didn't want to think (at 16!) about giving up a child as she was still a kid herself. It isn't that weird for a teen girl, even in the real world, to not tell the baby daddy about the kid, especially if she is giving the kid up for adoption. 

Lois decided (with Monica's permission) to move Gio into the Q family home where Brook Lynn was living with her husband, then started freaking out about the secret being exposed, and went to see Martin behind Brook Lynn's back about legal options. She'll be a total hypocrite if she blames Lulu for this mess.

Yes, Lulu was dead wrong for breaking into Martin's hotel room and her hostile approach to Brook Lynn. But the way AS and RS are playing their characters, I don't believe they are really keeping the secret to protect a now-adult child. There are ways to investigate/look into the past without just showing and declaring "ta da, I'm your biological parent who gave you up for adoption." Both women have clearly not kept the secret for fear of the kid's safety re: Sonny. Lois is protecting Gloria and herself from having her daughter, ex-husband, etc. rage at her.

Brook Lynn is protecting her marriage and secondly, her friendship with Dante. I imagine Chase is going to be hurt, jealous and humiliated when he finds out that best friend Dante got Brook Lynn pregnant when he was a teenager, but now, he -an adult who is her husband - can't. 

It makes sense that she didn't tell him when she was a scared teenager. But she knows Dante is a kind, not dangerous guy who would never blow up a kid's life for selfish reasons, and she was never afraid of the danger that Sonny brings to children, so she had no real reason to not tell adult Dante the truth.

I still remember when Dante and AL's Brook Lynn told JMB's Lulu that they grew up together but were never, ever into each other despite both families trying to get them together at weddings. Not a single mention of summer camp. Dante talked about her like she was his little sister from the old neighborhood. 

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dubbel zout

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1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I still remember when Dante and AL's Brook Lynn told JMB's Lulu that they grew up together but were never, ever into each other despite both families trying to get them together at weddings. Not a single mention of summer camp. Dante talked about her like she was his little sister from the old neighborhood. 

This is the sort of retconning I really hate. It makes the SORASing that much more problematic, as has been mentioned earlier. I usually just roll my eyes at SORASing—it's inevitable when you don't want to/can't wait for the real age to catch up with how old you want the character to be—but stop and think about how it affects other characters. GH writes these stories that are age-specific and they don't consider if the retcon makes any sense. 

This mess is also what happens when everyone is related/knows each other/have intertwined lives.

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sashabear21

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I haven't drank cocktails or hard liquor since my early 20's but I can't believe Lucas was already closing out because he had too much to drink and proceeded to have 2-3 more drinks and then didn't end the evening by calling his mom's old cell phone number to hear her outgoing voicemail message while sobbing and falling asleep on the floor of a bathroom stall while half covered in vomit.  Telling his life story to a complete stranger does track though although I maintain that any of the above is still better than raising Wiley.  

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statsgirl

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I think that the writers have finally got the right tone for Gio. He's Dante's son, but also he's got some Tracy in him.

Can you get extradited to another state for being in alimony arrears? it feels like this show really plays fast and loose with American law.

Who is this Maria person who works at the Quartermaines and gets Tracy's tea? Have we ever heard of her before?

Brennan is telling the ER at GH how to treat a poisoning. Does he have a medical degree, or is he just the perfect mate for Carly?  (Valentin, you have one job....)

Tracy, it's "what a swell party this is."  Especially if you're going to sing it.

Martin, the excuse of "I was just following orders" doesn't hold any more.

Esme was sociopathic, not psychotic. Don't misuse the terms.

 

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Brennan is telling the ER at GH how to treat a poisoning. Does he have a medical degree, or is he just the perfect mate for Carly?  (Valentin, you have one job....)

Maybe he's been poisoned before? Regardless, unconscious Carly is the very best Carly so good job, Valentin.

Tracy having Martin arrested in Laura's home is ... a choice.

 

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dubbel zout

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Why did Tracy bellow for tea if she wasn't going to drink it? I really wish they'd stop writing her as such a rude person.

Given how Brennan was macking on Carly after she drank the poisoned champagne, shouldn't he be feeling at least a little woozy?

LOL that Sonny thinks the intelligence community wants to take him out. He's not that important!

28 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Can you get extradited to another state for being in alimony arrears? it feels like this show really plays fast and loose with American law.

No. The court would slap a lien on his finances or something like that. I wish Tracy would save her shenanigans for Drew and Drew alone.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

39 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Esme was sociopathic, not psychotic. Don't misuse the terms.

I understand why Trina doesn't want to give Esmé any benefit of the doubt, but her upbringing was as chaotic in its own way as Spencer's. And it's not as if Nik reluctantly slept with Esmé.

LOL at far how down Kai had to bend to kiss Trina. 

POLONIUM POISONING?????? Oh, Show.

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