Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Grinaldi]

For JJ I have to assume they are waiting to take the picture until after he washes his hair.

And can they retake Charles Mesure's while they're at it when he is not smelling a dead skunk or whatever caused him to make that face.

Edited Yest. at 06:18 AM by Grinaldi

[Suicidy]

On 12/17/2024 at 12:25 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:

So was Ric advising Elizabeth to stay away from the hospital for her benefit? Meaning, was he giving her good advice, so if someone else is murdered, they can't blame her because she wasn't in/at the hospital?

Pretty much.  And Ric was helping her as a friend, so Lucky didn’t have to be a dick to him while Ric was in the process of doing the favor.  Even if he has good reason to dislike him.  I despise that kind of ingratitude.

On 12/20/2024 at 1:19 AM, tessaray said:

So, Jason's potential pairings are Robin's sister or Robin's mother? I'd almost rather see him with Carly. 

So would Carly.

[JMO]

Was Liz offered an administrative leave with pay versus doing administrative work in house?  I'd assumed that she'd chosen the in house job because she couldn't afford to go without a paycheck for an indefinite length of time.

[Suicidy]

On 12/20/2024 at 11:30 AM, KittyQ said:

I don't know that this meets the definition of "insider trading", but it is clearly fraud and stock manipulation. On top of that, this scheme will harm all the other stock holders who have presumably bought Aurora with the expectation that the owners/CEOs/company officers have a duty to protect the company against this kind of loss. Imagine those people whose investments are suddenly tanking, right before Christmas, or those people depending on this income for their retirements. 

Did Michael and Curtis learn nothing from Carly and Drew? Or did they actually believe that baloney about how unfair it was that the SEC was tipped off to their insider trading - after all, Carly didn't even make any money on it? This is way worse. 

All of them could stand do a dime in the federal pen.

20 hours ago, jsbt said:

I've said all this before, but I was all in on Drew/Nina under Mulcahey and the Willow affair. I think his intention was to invert his own story from Guiding Light, where schmoozing politician Ross Marler is in a triangle with mother and daughter and ends up with the daughter, Blake. He remolded Drew into Ross and went to town, and I think Cameron plays that schmoozing, cocky sort of cad with a heart well. 

Since PM's exit they have made Drew into more of an overt heel/dick, and I think Cameron actually plays that well too. He is performing the role as scripted, I don't fault him for that. I suspect Drew will get gunned down or otherwise murdered very shortly, but I would be happy with seeing him continue because the show needs more Quartermaine operators like that.

The problem is he is now wildly unpopular with the audience, including on here. Some of those reasons are certainly valid enough given all the shit he's pulled, I get it. But for other members of the online audience GH has honestly just trained them to not expect soap opera behavior from people and not tolerate it. Characters like Drew Q were a dime a dozen back in the day, but GH has so few actual scoundrels, schemers or gladhanding politicians today that aren't either all white or all black in their nature. And a lot of people just seem to recoil at them now. So I think he's dunzo soon. It's too bad, because I'd probably rather have seen Who Shot Drew vs. Who Killed Drew. Both are good stories I expect GH to squander. But had he been handled with more care like earlier in the year he (and the tawdry affair with Willow, which has been totally rushed through and mishandled, to say nothing of a Nina endgame) could've run for a long time. JMO.

This is why I like having Ric back.  The actor is good I the role and Ric is a great grey character.  Kind of a bad guy, but one isn’t a true villain, and happens to be right a good portion of the time (like with that stupid homicide case against Ava).

 

[Suicidy]

On 12/20/2024 at 7:29 AM, Cheyanne11 said:

I swear if they go the 'his plane went down and he's missing/presumed dead' trope again I will burn this place down.*

*Not really.  I'll just sigh heavily and shake my head. 

Yeah, that’s been going on forever.  I first saw that on Dark Shadows (in syndication, I’m not THAT old) when they had Burke Devlin’s plane go down in South America,  same thing on Dallas when Jim Davis died and they had to write Jock out of the show.  His chopper crashed in the interior of the Amazon rainforest.

Nothing has changed.

[Suicidy]

20 hours ago, DanaK said:

No episode Christmas Day in favor of basketball. It looks like December 24 is a repeat

As a loyal viewer, I detest being pushed aside at the slightest excuse in favor of…… basically everything else.

22 hours ago, Desperado said:

I loved Nina calling Ava for help and her bringing Ric. It made things so much more interesting (RH taking the whisky bottle before going into the kitchen was hilarious). It was too bad Alexis called him away. Couldn’t she just invite him for Christmas on the phone?

A Brennan day is always a good day for me but Carly inviting him to spend Christmas Eve w/ her and Sonny is… awkward? Why did he even accept? Oh well, I’m always up for the show mixing people up.

Cody was annoying me to no end with his “woe is me I don’t want to have a family, please beg me to go” attitude. And we all knew he would show up i  the end.

Can anyone remind me of the show schedule is for next week?

Why did Brennan accept?  A guy will follow a girl almost anywhere if he thinks she’s hot enough and he might get somewhere with her.  

[KerleyQ]

20 hours ago, jsbt said:

I've said all this before, but I was all in on Drew/Nina under Mulcahey and the Willow affair. I think his intention was to invert his own story from Guiding Light, where schmoozing politician Ross Marler is in a triangle with mother and daughter and ends up with the daughter, Blake. He remolded Drew into Ross and went to town, and I think Cameron plays that schmoozing, cocky sort of cad with a heart well. 

Since PM's exit they have made Drew into more of an overt heel/dick, and I think Cameron actually plays that well too. He is performing the role as scripted, I don't fault him for that. I suspect Drew will get gunned down or otherwise murdered very shortly, but I would be happy with seeing him continue because the show needs more Quartermaine operators like that.

The problem is he is now wildly unpopular with the audience, including on here. Some of those reasons are certainly valid enough given all the shit he's pulled, I get it. But for other members of the online audience GH has honestly just trained them to not expect soap opera behavior from people and not tolerate it. Characters like Drew Q were a dime a dozen back in the day, but GH has so few actual scoundrels, schemers or gladhanding politicians today that aren't either all white or all black in their nature. And a lot of people just seem to recoil at them now. So I think he's dunzo soon. It's too bad, because I'd probably rather have seen Who Shot Drew vs. Who Killed Drew. Both are good stories I expect GH to squander. But had he been handled with more care like earlier in the year he (and the tawdry affair with Willow, which has been totally rushed through and mishandled, to say nothing of a Nina endgame) could've run for a long time. JMO.

I saw the whole Willow/Drew thing coming from the moment they had the scene where he told her about ending things with Carly. There was just something about it. And, honestly, I think that CM and KM have chemistry, so I was interested in giving it a shot. (Plus, Michael suffering? Sign me up.) Then he had hate sex with Nina, and the old school soapiness of the idea of Willow/Drew/Nina had me really hoping I wasn't wrong about where they were headed. 

Over the years, soaps have jettisoned all of the really dramatic twisted stuff and stuck with the same boring handful of predictable soap plots. So I'm just happy that we're getting a more old school plot that, at some point, all the soaps seemed to decide was just too much or something. Drew could stand to have a little more nuance, though. Maybe CM needs to sit down and pick MEK's brain for how to play the cad an audience wants to watch. Maybe the writers should sit in on that conversation, too.  CM is far better as a gray character or bad guy than he's ever been as a good guy. Ryan Lavery lost every bit of his charm and fun the second they made him a "hero" on AMC. 

At this point, what I'd do to get things back on course would be for Nina to decide to pull away from Drew, because she sees how Willow feels about him, even though Willow still only sees Drew as her hero, not the messy not so great guy he is. They both agree they can never tell Willow what's happened between them, and build things like that for a while. All along, we'll all know, of course, that the truth will come out. Ideally, I'd have Willow find out without them knowing or have her start suspecting something. Maybe she sees them exchanging some looks sometimes, or comes in on the tail end of some conversations that seem intense. Then let her fuck with them a little bit. Keep setting them up in uncomfortable situations to see how they act, that kind of thing. Willow could stand to be a little more gray than just the cheater who, even the men she's cheated on think she only cheats because she has real feelings she can't help, or some such shit. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

16 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

same thing on Dallas when Jim Davis died and they had to write Jock out of the show.  

But the situation with Jim Davis isn’t the same as what this show did with Billy Miller’s Drew. Jim, bless him, continued to work while suffering from brain cancer for almost two years. How they wrote Jock’s death was done very well. As an adult when I reattached, the bad hair makes sense as they were wigs and they had Jim sit as much as possible.

Back to this show. It’s like Willow is just realizing who she married? With Mooby as his father and Cujo as his mother?

And while Cameron is doing a good job playing the sleazeoid, he ain’t no innocent victim in this at all. No one is. But his ingratiating himself as this poor put upon victim makes me want to punch him in the face.

My heart would such the HAPPY 💃 if Anna’s surprise ended up being Robin. But it’s most likely Emma, as she’s been the one to make appearances, what with Jason Thompson (Patrick) still on Y&R. Why would Robin show up without Patrick and Noah?

[Melgaypet]

I know Genie isn't really Jonathan's mother, but she has known him since he was, what, ten years old? Ma'am, drag him by the ear to a shower or at least a hair stylist's sink.

 

4 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Over the years, soaps have jettisoned all of the really dramatic twisted stuff and stuck with the same boring handful of predictable soap plots.

I just deleted like three paragraphs of rambling word vomit that said the same thing as this. I couldn't agree more.

Edited 19 hours ago by Melgaypet

[ASpring1900]

43 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

As a loyal viewer, I detest being pushed aside at the slightest excuse in favor of…… basically everything else.

Gotta say this is why I love Days on Peacock-- new episodes every single weekday, even on holidays.

[norahs99]

I'm going to disagree with several of you who have feel CM is doing a good job as NewDrew as I've taken to call him in my head. The writers decided to take Drew down a character road that makes no sense, IMO. They gave us no reason/rationale/idea why Drew is now such a sleaze, and CM's performance isn't helping.  He's displayed no ability to turn this sh!#-to-sugar. He says the words and does the things, but I find nothing behind it.  By example, one of the reasons that Ric Hearst has been one of my favorite actors on this show is he's demonstrated an ability to take anything the writers give him and make it compelling in his performance. Either CM is incapable or is unable to do the same.

[Daisy]

25 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

I just deleted like three paragraphs of rambling word vomit that said the same thing as this. I couldn't agree more.

i like word vomit so next time share. 

 

 

30 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Over the years, soaps have jettisoned all of the really dramatic twisted stuff and stuck with the same boring handful of predictable soap plots. So I'm just happy that we're getting a more old school plot that, at some point, all the soaps seemed to decide was just too much or something. Drew could stand to have a little more nuance, though. Maybe CM needs to sit down and pick MEK's brain for how to play the cad an audience wants to watch. Maybe the writers should sit in on that conversation, too.  CM is far better as a gray character or bad guy than he's ever been as a good guy. Ryan Lavery lost every bit of his charm and fun the second they made him a "hero" on AMC. 

 

 

and it's hilarious how everyone is like "Drew is stalking Willow and not respecting her boundaries." and I'm just here thinking like if every soap guy who was about to enter a soap romance actually listened to the soap girl's request to be left alone... we'd have no supercouples of yesteryear. we'd have no soap drama at all. KatyMc and CamMat are playing this as if they are at least in mega lust. I don't get any "Molly, you in danger girl." vibes.

[ciarra]

So Ava and Ric had special reservations for some Xmas Eve restaurant event?  What were they going to pay with, buttons?

Edited 17 hours ago by ciarra

[sas616]

On 12/20/2024 at 9:21 PM, FilmTVGeek80 said:

The writing is starting to become very Jagger-esque.

Exactly what I've been thinking.  For some reason, the writers decided to the bus over Drew (over and over again) just like they did with Cates.   When John Cates came on the show, he was as a pretty decent, likable guy.  Suddenly, he became a nutcase out for revenge.   Right now, Drew is just a nutcase.   Maybe his "revenge" is coming after what Michael and Curtis did.

[Winston Wolfe]

15 hours ago, Suicidy said:

On 12/20/2024 at 4:19 AM, tessaray said:

So, Jason's potential pairings are Robin's sister or Robin's mother? I'd almost rather see him with Carly. 

Jasus almost looks old enough to be Sasha's Father at this point. Funny, with all the body-shaming GH inflicted on Steve Kanan back in the day, he's aged a zillion times better than Burton. Also, keeping Jasus in Leather Jackets at his age is bordering on parody now, IMO.

[sunnyface]

Been on the barge since Jason's return and after watching a couple of scenes on ABC.com, it is amazing how weak the younger set (both the Joss and the ever boring Chase/Brook/Sasha set) of actors is compared to the rest.  It's the same writing, direction, and production for the older and the younger actors.  Genie and Jane will always be in the upper-stratosphere of soap actors but MW, NLG, and CW nearly always show up and carry their scenes.  My finger cannot get to the fast-forward button quick enough for the Joss or Chase age-group.  And Chad D (just watched the affair reveal at the Qs and of course it was Carly-centric) was one of the least cardboard of the actors. 

During one of the new Kristina's (she's my favorite of the under 40 crowd) recent scene at Sonny's empty restaurant,  he promised her that 'Ava will pay'.  I was wondering if Sonny had suffered any repercussions for murdering a federal law officer.  TIA.

Anyways - Thrilled to have both Liz and Dante reanimated.  These two actors should be featured instead of LW and MB.  But to be able to witness Tracy and Laura after FIVE DECADES,  GH got it got it in spades. 

[Desperado]

13 hours ago, ciarra said:

So Ava and Ric had special reservations for some Xmas Eve restaurant event?  What were they going to pay with, buttons?

Did I miss something or is Ava not even investigating her loss of funds? I would’ve expected her to be on the war path but now it seems like a writer hiccup?

[DanaK]

1 hour ago, sunnyface said:

I was wondering if Sonny had suffered any repercussions for murdering a federal law officer. 

Not yet. It seemed characters were being questioned for a few episodes, then it faded

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, sunnyface said:

  I was wondering if Sonny had suffered any repercussions for murdering a federal law officer. 

Nope. Because Mooby never pays for anything.

11 minutes ago, DanaK said:

Not yet. It seemed characters were being questioned for a few episodes, then it faded

Not exactly. Alexis was originally charged and on trial for Jagger’s murder. Mooby was going to supposedly confess when the gun Alexis threw in the river showed up and since that wasn’t the murder weapon and ballistics didn’t match, case dismissed, Mooby skates, and the case is forgotten.

[DanaK]

5 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Nope. Because Mooby never pays for anything.

Not exactly. Alexis was originally charged and on trial for Jagger’s murder. Mooby was going to supposedly confess when the gun Alexis threw in the river showed up and since that wasn’t the murder weapon and ballistics didn’t match, case dismissed, Mooby skates, and the case is forgotten.

Thanks. I thought there was a trial with someone but I couldn't remember the details

[Mirabelle]

They could have at least had Willow and Drew have sex in response to a life or death situation instead of getting it on in the family nursery. The first is a soap staple - we could all probably name a few characters who had a sexual encounter with a non-spouse because a plane had crashed or they were stuck in a cave or an elevator. Those tunnels beneath Wyndemere can't be too stable. Drew and Willow should have gotten stuck in one, thought they were dying, so gave into their feelings. 

 

[Sake614]

16 hours ago, norahs99 said:

Either CM is incapable or is unable to do the same.

They’re both the same thing, unless you meant unwilling. In which case fire his sorry ass and let him keep making hallmark movies. Actually, I don’t even care why he can’t/won’t play nuance. Just fire his sorry ass and send him back to hallmark.

[NotMySekrit2Tell]

I'm confused about something, and I don't know whether this should be in the history thread or this one, so I'll just try my luck.  

Drewfus keeps running his mouth about how Aurora is a company he built "from the ground up." Is that a retcon (or the writers' amnesia, or different writers not knowing what the previous ones wrote) or are we supposed to be seeing Drew as a braggart who just says whatever makes him sound better? Isn't Aurora just the rebranded version of Julian Jerome's company, Something-Wells Media? The way I remember it, "Jason" and Sam bought that company to run together. Then "Jason" turned out to be Drew, and everything Drew owned was on Real Jason's dime, and it was Drew's luck (and Jason's lack of interest) that Jason didn't yank it away from him THEN. Now he's acting like he took some little struggling newspaper or TV station and labored and sweated until it was a media empire. Gah!  

Can they just make this character stop? They never do one thing right with him.

[GHScorpiosRule]

7 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

They could have at least had Willow and Drew have sex in response to a life or death situation instead of getting it on in the family nursery

They did. It was in response to Willow comforting Drew as he’d just learned of Sam’s death. Just like their second kiss was her comforting his “grief” over McKonkey’s death.

4 minutes ago, NotMySekrit2Tell said:

Drewfus keeps running his mouth about how Aurora is a company he built "from the ground up." Is that a retcon (or the writers' amnesia, or different writers not knowing what the previous ones wrote)

Take your pick. It could be either or both.

[Cheyanne11]

16 hours ago, Daisy said:

it's hilarious how everyone is like "Drew is stalking Willow and not respecting her boundaries." and I'm just here thinking like if every soap guy who was about to enter a soap romance actually listened to the soap girl's request to be left alone... we'd have no supercouples of yesteryear. we'd have no soap drama at all. KatyMc and CamMat are playing this as if they are at least in mega lust. I don't get any "Molly, you in danger girl." vibes.

She doesn't have to be in literal danger for it to be creepy.  Drew's a walking red flag, what with showing up at her door mere minutes after the shit hit the fan.  Then somehow finding out where she'd be the next day and showing up THERE.  The character is an utter mess and if the show is trying to sell some lustful connection between Drew and Willow it's failed miserably because it just comes off as Drew being a sleaze.  

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, Desperado said:

Did I miss something or is Ava not even investigating her loss of funds? I would’ve expected her to be on the war path but now it seems like a writer hiccup?

I think this thread will be picked up after the in-show holiday episodes. 

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

if the show is trying to sell some lustful connection between Drew and Willow it's failed miserably because it just comes off as Drew being a sleaze. 

And Drew doesn't think he's being a sleaze, which is a problem for me. He thinks he's being all noble and respectful of Willow, and he's convinced he's a good guy here. He's not. Somehow he's an aggrieved party—what?

I also feel that CamMat doesn't want to play Drew as the sleaze, and that's not working for me. One reason Ric works for me is that Rick Hearst isn't afraid to make Ric unpleasant. He embraces Ric's dark side and even has some fun with it. (That's also why I enjoyed Wes Ramsey's Peter in the final months, because WR went all in on the mustache twirling. There was enough ham in that performance to fill a deli meat case.)

[GHScorpiosRule]

18 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

And Drew doesn't think he's being a sleaze, which is a problem for me. He thinks he's being all noble and respectful of Willow, and he's convinced he's a good guy here. He's not. Somehow he's an aggrieved party—what?

Seriously! What would you (general you) call him skulking around Willow’s home that was pitch dark after everyone saw the video? Did he expect her to open her door and welcome him with open arms for more comforting?

With his whining to her about what Curtis and the SLS “did” to him, I fully expect more sex between them to take place. Because they were MEAN to Drew and stabbed his innocent self in the back.