S03.E08: Finish It

[DoctorAtomic]

12 hours ago, Lemons said:

I wish they had Frankie explain how he knew how to open up the throat using a knife and pen to help with breathing.  

I assumed he was in the armed forces and maybe was in Vietnam. 

I'm not sure how else the series could have ended. Simon et al.'s shows are fundamentally about the city (Baltimore, New Orleans, NYC), so it was likely to end on what Times Square looks like now/then. It was suitably depressing - Vincent is being nostalgic for what was a gruesome period. 

It would have been cool if the bartender had heard of the Hi-Hat or 366, but it was fitting - popular bar/club for quite a long time just fading into nothing. 

I still find it a little much that Abby is a lawyer - I could see if she founded her own ngo or something, but I guess she and Vincent were really the only two people that made it out. 

[msrachelj]

I hated it. I remember NYC before it was disney-ized. Just where did all the homeless, the hookers, etc go? It may look nicer , if you like that sort of thing, and be safer but it is pretty horrible looking  in my eyes. It could have been cleaned up differently is what I'm getting at. 

Franco's make up looks like it was done by an amateur. I wish they would have gone into what happened to each major character ( a la Six Feet Under) instead of the weird ghost meetings. 

[Sheenieb]

On 10/30/2019 at 10:23 AM, Moxie Cat said:

Allston was so jaded and burnt out by the end. I think you can deduce how he would have felt about current Times Square in his car scene with Gene. He would have thought clean Times Square was just fine, but he would have known that all the dirt had just moved elsewhere. He was at the "you can't win no matter what you do" phase of his career.

I meant in terms of the area being too glossy. Sure, it beats pimps and high crime, but now it's Disneyland. I don't think anyone wants scruffy Times Square, but is this what he envisioned while trying to clean up the area?  

[DoctorAtomic]

That's kind of the tragedy of the hotel bartender not knowing the Hi-Hat. There's no local place were you can get an honest pour. Anyone can pour booze into a glass when it's regulated. It turned into all chains and disneyfied, faceless and bland. It would be different if it was lined with local shops, bars, restaurants, or a proper joint. 

[IvySpice]

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I was also disappointed that they didn't at least acknowledge Lori's death, whether it be in a newspaper article, or someone calling Eileen when her credit card was found in the hotel room. 

This ruined it for me. I couldn't believe that the show just forgot about Lori. We don't get to see ANYONE learn of her death -- even Eileen, who obviously would have been the first to hear because of the credit card? That means Mike's death was given more time/attention than Lori's, and that makes no sense given their relative centrality to the series.

[AgentRXS]

2 hours ago, IvySpice said:

This ruined it for me. I couldn't believe that the show just forgot about Lori. We don't get to see ANYONE learn of her death -- even Eileen, who obviously would have been the first to hear because of the credit card? That means Mike's death was given more time/attention than Lori's, and that makes no sense given their relative centrality to the series.

I agree that they dropped the ball with Eileen not reacting to Lori's death, but I'm ok with the other Deuce characters not reacting to it. Lori was a central character to the viewers, but she wasn't particularly close to the other main characters.The only one I could see really reacting would be Vincent, had he not been so absorbed in trying to get out of the mob, breaking up with Abby, and grieving Frankie's death. I think Mike and Lori's death were given equal airtime, and I think Mike was only given that much screentime to highlight that Vincent's world is falling apart around him.Vincent finding Mike dead added another nail in the coffin to what was Vincent's old life.

[DangerousMinds]

7 hours ago, Sheenieb said:

I meant in terms of the area being too glossy. Sure, it beats pimps and high crime, but now it's Disneyland. I don't think anyone wants scruffy Times Square, but is this what he envisioned while trying to clean up the area?  

Some of us really DO want scruffy Times Square!

[DoctorAtomic]

7 hours ago, IvySpice said:

This ruined it for me. I couldn't believe that the show just forgot about Lori.

I think that was the point though. She ended up nothing. We know (the viewers) that there were more porn stars after her. The show didn't forget about her. She was gone after the gang bang.

[LoveLeigh]

On 10/31/2019 at 3:24 PM, msrachelj said:

Just where did all the homeless, the hookers, etc go?

The "hookers" went online at websites. The Deuce was before everybody had access to a computer. 

The homeless are all back, sleeping on the streets all over NYC.

[Surrealist]

On 11/2/2019 at 12:00 AM, DoctorAtomic said:

I think that was the point though. She ended up nothing. We know (the viewers) that there were more porn stars after her. The show didn't forget about her. She was gone after the gang bang.

In other forums, many seem upset by no one caring about Lori, but that was the point: she literally had no one. 

Viewers might have grown to care about her, whatever, but she was basically disposable in their world. Even Eileen/Candy kept her at arm's length. 

Edited November 3, 2019 by Surrealist

[SoWindsor]

On 11/1/2019 at 5:51 PM, IvySpice said:

This ruined it for me. I couldn't believe that the show just forgot about Lori. We don't get to see ANYONE learn of her death -- even Eileen, who obviously would have been the first to hear because of the credit card? That means Mike's death was given more time/attention than Lori's, and that makes no sense given their relative centrality to the series.

Completely agree with you!! I kept waiting for the finale to acknowledge it and when I knew they weren’t it was a very WTF moment. Very disappointed in that.

[DoctorAtomic]

That's what happens in a Simon series. People gone. 

[txhorns79]

20 hours ago, Surrealist said:

In other forums, many seem upset by no one caring about Lori, but that was the point: she literally had no one. 

I think it was a combination of needing to move things on for the finale, and the whole idea was that Lori had no one and was ultimately disposable.  We weren't even able to confirm her real name.  I said it earlier, but I do think that Eileen's change of heart regarding requiring her actors to perform a sex scene in the movie was directly tied to her guilt over Lori's death.         

[Arcey]

Why is everyone so sure that Abby became a corporate lawyer? I didn't hear or see anything along those lines. I could definitely picture her going to law school and becoming a good lawyer, maybe corporate, maybe civil rights, but I don't know why people here are saying she was one in the end. I think what she was saying on the phone was to someone named Richard, and it did sound like it could be business related, but I don't remember anything very specific. Of course a lot of you here are quite good at catching very fleeting snippets of conversation or a one-second shot that I definitely don't catch, so maybe there was something specific.

Question about the wedding couple: Was that the woman who went home with her father and then came back? Was the man the neighbor who she was friends with? I agree that the wedding was one of the sweetest moments of the whole series, as was the other scene of the two of them in the apartment, with her taking care of him, and then suggesting they get married, and then climbing next to him in bed. So lovely. Pure love and kindness.

I was thinking that Eileen was being a stubborn ass with her boyfriend, who I thought was being pretty honest and sincere about his request. But thinking about it, I do understand why it was so damn important to Eileen to never take a "handout" and to never compromise herself. She could do a good enough job of making bad decisions, but they were HER decisions, not put on her by someone else. I'm not sure she made the right choice, but I do respect it.

I was also surprised that Lori wasn't even mentioned, but I guess the explanations here sound good enough. I still think it would have been nice to mention  something about it.

In the 2019 scene, one of the first people he "sees" is through a glass door, near an escalator (I think), a tall African-American man. Who was that supposed to be? I was a little jarred when I saw that quick shot of Rodney, and then realized what was going on.

I guess Paul got the last 1985 shot in the series after all (some people were hoping he'd be in the last ep).

I first thought the ending was super hokey, and not that well done, but was glad they did it, and that we got to see some of the oldies one more time. I don't think it was anywhere near as well done as the Six Feet Under final scene (one of the best), but it basically worked. I would have liked a slightly less fleeting shot of Abby in the end, and I'm not sure how people here could see that she was gray -- I sure couldn't see that. I'm a few years older than Abby would be, and agree that walking quickly in the street while talking on your phone is not exactly unusual for someone in their 60s. 🙂 I particularly enjoyed seeing Frankie again, and their banter and loving embrace.

I'm going to have to watch that ending again and maybe I'll see a few more things than in just one viewing.

Edited November 4, 2019 by Arcey
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[Snewtsie]

On 10/29/2019 at 11:17 AM, MCMLXXVII said:

Does anyone know if 2019 Vincent’s hotel room was in that Time Square Marriott that caused so much drama? Heh. Never really noticed it with all the other bells and whistles in the area, just that it’s super expensive for The  New Year’s Eve ball drop.

It was indeed the Marriott.  I recognized it instantly.  I also noticed when Vincent was scrolling through the TV menu for something to watch, the screen showed "Marrionn". I'm guessing that means Marriott did not give name usage rights, or producers avoided asking and just substituted two letters to make it easier on themselves.

[Gobi]

53 minutes ago, Arcey said:

Why is everyone so sure that Abby became a corporate lawyer? I didn't hear or see anything along those lines. I could definitely picture her going to law school and becoming a good lawyer, maybe corporate, maybe civil rights, but I don't know why people here are saying she was one in the end. I think what she was saying on the phone was to someone named Richard, and it did sound like it could be business related, but I don't remember anything very specific. Of course a lot of you here are quite good at catching very fleeting snippets of conversation or a one-second shot that I definitely don't catch, so maybe there was something specific.

Question about the wedding couple: Was that the woman who went home with her father and then came back? Was the man the neighbor who she was friends with? I agree that the wedding was one of the sweetest moments of the whole series, as was the other scene of the two of them in the apartment, with her taking care of him, and then suggesting they get married, and then climbing next to him in bed. So lovely. Pure love and kindness.

I was thinking that Eileen was being a stubborn ass with her boyfriend, who I thought was being pretty honest and sincere about his request. But thinking about it, I do understand why it was so damn important to Eileen to never take a "handout" and to never compromise herself. She could do a good enough job of making bad decisions, but they were HER decisions, not put on her by someone else. I'm not sure she made the right choice, but I do respect it.

I was also surprised that Lori wasn't even mentioned, but I guess the explanations here sound good enough. I still think it would have been nice to mention  something about it.

In the 2019 scene, one of the first people he "sees" is through a glass door, near an escalator (I think), a tall African-American man. Who was that supposed to be? I was a little jarred when I saw that quick shot of Rodney, and then realized what was going on.

I guess Paul got the last 1985 shot in the series after all (some people were hoping he'd be in the last ep).

I first thought the ending was super hokey, and not that well done, but was glad they did it, and that we got to see some of the oldies one more time. I don't think it was anywhere near as well done as the Six Feet Under final scene (one of the best), but it basically worked. I would have liked a slightly less fleeting shot of Abby in the end, and I'm not sure how people here could see that she was gray -- I sure couldn't see that. I'm a few years older than Abby would be, and agree that walking quickly in the street while talking on your phone is not exactly unusual for someone in their 60s. 🙂 I particularly enjoyed seeing Frankie again, and their banter and loving embrace.

I'm going to have to watch that ending again and maybe I'll see a few more things than in just one viewing.

The tall guy he saw was the cook at the diner where some of the cast hung out. The one who killed a pimp, then came back after prison. He was wearing his apron under his coat.

[Snewtsie]

Regarding Lori, I suspect no one ever learned she died. The ID she had in her bag would've probably been her real name, Sarah something, which no one would have ever connected as Lori Madison. Or she had no ID and the police/coroner labeled her as Jane Doe. Her story is the saddest of all.

[DoctorAtomic]

1 hour ago, Arcey said:

Why is everyone so sure that Abby became a corporate lawyer? I didn't hear or see anything along those lines.

All I heard on the phone was her say 'client'. Otherwise, I didn't get that impression until it was said here. 

1 hour ago, Arcey said:

Question about the wedding couple: Was that the woman who went home with her father and then came back?

Yes. And based on real life events!

5 minutes ago, Snewtsie said:

Or she had no ID and the police/coroner labeled her as Jane Doe. Her story is the saddest of all.

I don't think they'd need her license to ID 'Lori Madison'; she was kind of famous. But - she shot herself in the head, so I'm wondering if they would be able to identify her at all. One telling thing was the credit card - she left it on the dresser, and I think it was Eileen's. Presumably the police would likely want to ask her why her credit card is in a hotel room with a dead hooker. She'd then be able to put 2 and 2 together. If no one took it in the meantime. I couldn't see her paying for a funeral anyway. 

[Snewtsie]

12 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I don't think they'd need her license to ID 'Lori Madison'; she was kind of famous. But - she shot herself in the head, so I'm wondering if they would be able to identify her at all. One telling thing was the credit card - she left it on the dresser, and I think it was Eileen's. Presumably the police would likely want to ask her why her credit card is in a hotel room with a dead hooker. She'd then be able to put 2 and 2 together. If no one took it in the meantime. I couldn't see her paying for a funeral anyway. 

Ahhh, thanks for that.  I thought she put the cash that she just made on the dresser.  I hadn't realized it was Eileen's cc.  I'd rewatch the scene but it's just too too tragic to see again.  Then yes, you are right- if Eileen's cc was there, and providing it was not stolen, then she would have learned by the cc company that her card was found. ...But I'm still not convinced Eileen would have learned of the details of where it was found, and that the person who left it had committed suicide.  I doubt anyone working at the hotel would be the same as when Candy worked the street (or that they would have connected Candy to the name on the cc).  I'm also not convinced that the police/coroner would have done their due diligence in ID'ing the body of a prostitute, or that they would have easily connected Lori's lifeless face to the face of a famous porn star.  So yeah, sadly, I am still inclined to believe Lori's death could have been a Jane Doe.

[DoctorAtomic]

It was the old tymey Visa logo. 

[Surrealist]

3 hours ago, Arcey said:

Why is everyone so sure that Abby became a corporate lawyer? I didn't hear or see anything along those lines. I could definitely picture her going to law school and becoming a good lawyer, maybe corporate, maybe civil rights, but I don't know why people here are saying she was one in the end. I think what she was saying on the phone was to someone named Richard, and it did sound like it could be business related, but I don't remember anything very specific. Of course a lot of you here are quite good at catching very fleeting snippets of conversation or a one-second shot that I definitely don't catch, so maybe there was something specific.

Given the number of years Abby spent around The Deuce and getting to know the denizens and trying to use her privilege for good, I've seen it speculated that she could have become a criminal defense lawyer. I could see that being the case. 

[Brooklynista]

3 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

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Yes. And based on real life events!

Would you happen to have the real names of this couple? I tries searching " prostitute marries gay friend" and my search results didn't quite provide what I was looking for 😂😂

Edited November 5, 2019 by Brooklynista

[Gobi]

1 minute ago, Brooklynista said:

Would you happen to have the real names of this couple? I tries searching " prostitute marries gay lover" and my search results didn't quite provide what I was looking for 😂😂

In the post episode segment, it was mentioned that this was based on a real incident, without mentioning names.

[MCMLXXVII]

On 11/4/2019 at 5:20 PM, Snewtsie said:

Ahhh, thanks for that.  I thought she put the cash that she just made on the dresser.  I hadn't realized it was Eileen's cc.  I'd rewatch the scene but it's just too too tragic to see again.  Then yes, you are right- if Eileen's cc was there, and providing it was not stolen, then she would have learned by the cc company that her card was found. ...But I'm still not convinced Eileen would have learned of the details of where it was found, and that the person who left it had committed suicide.  I doubt anyone working at the hotel would be the same as when Candy worked the street (or that they would have connected Candy to the name on the cc).  I'm also not convinced that the police/coroner would have done their due diligence in ID'ing the body of a prostitute, or that they would have easily connected Lori's lifeless face to the face of a famous porn star.  So yeah, sadly, I am still inclined to believe Lori's death could have been a Jane Doe.

True. I don’t know how famous Lori would have been to non-porn watchers, since even the john she picked up didn’t recognize her. She was famous enough for a music video and feature dancing, but they were still in the era where you had to go that section of the video store/ magazine rack. 

[pasdetrois]

I didn't watch the entire series because I can't stand Franco's affected acting (although I loved him in "Pineapple Express"). But I did watch the last episode.

Did anyone feel that Eileen, after such a prolonged fight to climb up the business ladder, was going backward in the end? We were meant to understand that she was performing in porn again only to get money for her own movie, but I wondered what she would do after that one shoot. Finish a movie no one is interested in, then what? Despite Gyllenhaal's fierce performance, the character had no skills beyond porn production and acting.

Also, Eilleen sure had fabulous clothes for a struggling artist.

Was Lori modeled on a real 1980s porn star? I seem to recall news coverage about a famous porn star being manipulated by a Hollywood boyfriend who took all of her money.

Edited November 7, 2019 by pasdetrois

[sd dude]

I think the closest real life parallel is Shauna Grant.  Not only did she take her own life with a firearm, but I was surprised to find out that both Grant and Lori were from Minnesota!  Hard to believe that is a coincidence.  Then again, there are quite a few differences as well - Grant never went to NYC or did streetwalking before porn, she went from MN right to LA and fairly quickly into nude modelling and then porn.  I presume that Lori's character was a composite of various real life influences.

Similar with Eileen who's character most closely resembles porn actress/feminist porn producer-director Candida Royalle, but that too is not a perfect matchup.

Edited November 7, 2019 by sd dude

[txhorns79]

1 hour ago, pasdetrois said:

Did anyone feel that Eileen, after such a prolonged fight to climb up the business ladder, was going backward in the end? We were meant to understand that she was performing in porn again only to get money for her own movie, but I wondered what she would do after that one shoot. Finish a movie no one is interested in, then what? Despite Gyllenhaal's fierce performance, the character had no skills beyond porn production and acting.

I paused the obituary they showed for Eileen, and it said she appeared sporadically in adult movies until 1989, and she directed 89 adult movies in a career that lasted until the present day.     

[Snewtsie]

5 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

Did anyone feel that Eileen, after such a prolonged fight to climb up the business ladder, was going backward in the end? We were meant to understand that she was performing in porn again only to get money for her own movie, but I wondered what she would do after that one shoot. Finish a movie no one is interested in, then what? Despite Gyllenhaal's fierce performance, the character had no skills beyond porn production and acting.

Also, Eilleen sure had fabulous clothes for a struggling artist.

It was indeed sad that Eileen let the negotiations go there, and then allowed so many scenes including something she had specifically ruled out.  Excuse the expression, but she really got f*d in that deal.  I get that she had a messed up way of looking at taking money from her 'man', but it's strange to me that she would not let him fund her film when she clearly allowed him to buy her expensive clothing.

[PamelaMaeSnap]

I'm reading this thread way after the fact since I FINALLY watched the finale last night and am still crying about Leon even though I don't know how he died, but at least we had a wonderful small Leon moment in the episode.

Also, not sure if anyone ever saw the film "Longtime Companion," but the finale montage definitely reminded me of that movie's ending (which invariably reduces me to tears). 

Finally, mea culpa to the poster who said that Goldman did NOT have AIDS. I'm guessing if he's still alive in 2019, he probably just was in a cold sweat over having to tell his wife the truth about his double life in the scene in which I inferred he too had AIDS.

Edited November 23, 2019 by PamelaMaeSnap
Beaten to the punch and more accurately on Nathan

[PamelaMaeSnap]

On 11/4/2019 at 3:10 PM, Arcey said:

In the 2019 scene, one of the first people he "sees" is through a glass door, near an escalator (I think), a tall African-American man

Leon 😞

Adding here (and hoping our mod can connect this to my post before it, because I cannot for the life of me manage to do it myself because TECHNOLOGY IZ SCARY):

I wanted to share my two cents on the topic of Lori's death getting less time/attention than that of Big Mike or some of the others (though I'm not sure I completely agree but I'll try to sum up my thoughts). 

Lori was without a doubt one of the central characters of the show, and while in retrospect I was surprised by her suicide, I was not surprised by her demise.

She was a tragic figure, for sure but ... I don't want to say straight out that she wasn't that bright.  But she didn't have those "survival skills" (like, say, Candy/Eileen) or street smarts, plus she wasn't (IMHO IMHO IMHO) very likable. She didn't have the "charm" (or way of making herself charming when needed) that Eileen had. So I don't think she had the allies (personal or professional) in her life that would have been looking out for her or, simply, giving a f*ck about her. I don't think she had friends or loved ones. I wonder how many people even noticed she was gone. It is entirely possible she was a tough cookie on the outside who had the potential to be soft and sweet inside to people she loved/loved her, but unless I'm forgetting, I'm not sure we SAW anyone who she loved or loved her. And therein was the tragedy.

Big Mike, OTOH, was one of the most fascinating characters to me. When we first met him, who would have thought his character would develop as he did? I believe he was truly loved by his friends and was someone who would do anything FOR his friends. His size and presence was intimidating but he was a thoughtful, intelligent and calm person who you'd want by your side AND on your side. 

I've given this too much thought, I guess ... but damn, I miss The Deuce already. 

I'll leave with this song, completely obscure but by one of my all-time favorite bands from my youth and needless to say it makes me think of the show ... 

Edited November 23, 2019 by PamelaMaeSnap

[Arcey]

PamelaMaeSnap, I grew up in The Bronx, right near Gunhill Road. Is there a connection to the band's name? I was certainly alive and well in '72, but don't know that song.

[PamelaMaeSnap]

3 hours ago, Arcey said:

PamelaMaeSnap, I grew up in The Bronx, right near Gunhill Road. Is there a connection to the band's name? I was certainly alive and well in '72, but don't know that song.

They were all actually from Mount Vernon ... there was a song called Gun Hill Road (spelled like that, though the band spelled it Gunhill) on their first album. They had their lone hit in 1973 (Back When My Hair Was Short) on their second album ... 42nd Street was actually on both albums. 

[Snewtsie]

I’ve hesitated to post this, but I’ve had a couple glasses of wine so here goes... Watching The Deuce made me reflect on when I met a porn star. I was dating a guy, and he lived in Lynwood, CA (a very low income area). He had a small party and invited a gal he knew named Missy. It was around 2000.  He didn’t tell me much info about her other than she was a porn actress.  She arrived with her husband or boyfriend, I forget. They drove down from the San Fernando Valley, which was quite a distance for them to travel to attend his party.  For them to make such an effort made me believe the friendship was special. I was nervous about meeting them. I remember being introduced- Missy was petite with blond hair & blue eyes. She was friendly and polite. I know this will sound cliche, but in her eyes there was a sadness. I didn’t speak to her in depth because I was trying to play hostess and, you know, that involves a lot of work to make sure drinks are flowing, etc.  I kept busy while my boyfriend did all the socializing.  I remember trying to act aloof to her.  In all honesty, part of me off kilter that a porn star was there, and I felt a little threatened of how he knew her.  I wondered what the backstory was- although I’m pretty certain it was just an innocent acquaintance, it was still unsettling to me at the time.  I was just polite to them like I was to all his friends.  Anyway, at one point we were all in the jacuzzi together, and the conversation turned to porn life.  Her husband (boyfriend?) told us how it had been hard for her. He said it was a tough, tough, tough life - filled with people who wanted to use her and the emotional toll it took on her. He said she had to back away from it for her emotional well being.  He seemed very caring, and she listened quietly while he spoke.  Again, her expression was so sad. My boyfriend said something like, “well, Missy, all I can tell you is - in all of your movies, you really did it for me.” A compliment about how much she turned him on.  Her expression brightened and she gave a slow blink to show her appreciation. I remember I noticed how vulnerable and beautiful she looked at that moment... so human, so fragile.  Both she her & her guy were very gracious and polite all night. Then later on in the night they said they goodbyes as they readied to leave, and thanked us for inviting them.

That was years ago... a lifetime, it feels.  After watching this show, I looked her up on the internet.  I immediately recognized her photo on Wikedpedia. She had won many AVN awards, so she was really quite famous. She died in 2008 from an accidental overdose of prescription drugs. It made me so sad to read this. Her husband was the fellow I met that night and apparently he had been extremely abusive to her. I would have never guessed this from our interaction, but apparently it was the case.  In hindsight, I wish I had pushed aside my insecurities that night and made her feel more welcome.  She really was beautiful to look at, and her eyes really did have such a sad expression. I believe she was a beautiful and genuine person.  Watching this show has made me remember her, and now I think if her often and wish I had made more of a personal connection.

The show is over, so I doubt many people will visit this forum to read this, but I wanted to share it anyway.  It goes without saying, I will really miss this show. 

[sd dude]

Thanks for sharing that story.  I'm kind of surprised that a former porn star who had left the industry due to the emotional toll it had on her would appreciate at that point being told by a male friend (?) how much he enjoyed watching her have sex on film/video.  On the other hand, for a performer who is still active and/or still enjoying the experience, probably nothing would please them more than to hear that.  But it's all my speculation.

Hmmm.  After posting the paragraph above, I found the Wikipedia entry you referred to.  Also surprised to find that after leaving the industry she would still identify herself as her screen name, including at a "civilian" gathering, which wouldn't seem to do much to distance her from that life.  I can't say I ever saw any of her scenes but her photo on Wiki is quite beautiful.  And the person named as her husband in the article (not sure if that's who you met at the party) was apparently a porn performer as well.

Edited November 26, 2019 by sd dude
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[Snewtsie]

58 minutes ago, sd dude said:

Thanks for sharing that story.  I'm kind of surprised that a former porn star who had left the industry due to the emotional toll it had on her would appreciate at that point being told by a male friend (?) how much he enjoyed watching her have sex on film/video.  On the other hand, for a performer who is still active and/or still enjoying the experience, probably nothing would please them more than to hear that.  But it's all my speculation.

Hmmm.  After posting the paragraph above, I found the Wikipedia entry you referred to.  Also surprised to find that after leaving the industry she would still identify herself as her screen name, including at a "civilian" gathering, which wouldn't seem to do much to distance her from that life.  I can't say I ever saw any of her scenes but her photo on Wiki is quite beautiful.  And the person named as her husband in the article (not sure if that's who you met at the party) was apparently a porn performer as well.

Thanks for letting me share...  I think she took the compliment for what it was.  And she was introduced by another name originally - supposedly her real name, but I only remember she went by Missy in her movies.  I don't think she was ashamed of her movies, or anything like that, she just decided not to continue doing them.  Finally, I believe the guy she was with was indeed the one named in Wikipedia (Mickey G).  It looked like him- although my memory is a bit fuzzy.  I didn't remember being told back then that he was a porn actor, but I guess it wouldn't be surprising that he was.

[chenoa333]

On 11/25/2019 at 9:34 PM, Snewtsie said:

The show is over, so I doubt many people will visit this forum to read this, but I wanted to share it anyway.  It goes without saying, I will really miss this show. 

Thank you for that beautiful, but sad, recollection of your meeting with a female porn star.  Vulnerable and pretty is not the best combination.I hope her soul and spirit are at peace.