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"Hey, Mom, can you write a check to this film crew so I can be filmed sexing up this chick I just met?" Sonny and Carly have done a fine job raising that idiot. He's the son they deserve (well, second in place as "son they deserve" to "one who would kill them in their sleep.")

She could, but, like a lot of girls her age, I don't think she really has the maturity or sense of self to say that. That's the problem with relationships with a drastic imbalance of power. Even if the people in power aren't being malicious, the "lesser" side of the relationship feels like they have to do what they are asked to do, even if they are against it or unsure of it. There's a reason that any doctor worth their license would not be OK with this situation, and that's because someone with Nicole's level of experience has no real way to understand everything she is agreeing to here, and it's going to be emotionally damaging for some or all of the parties involved at some point.

Agreed, thewhiteowl. If I liked or was indifferent to Maya and Rick before, this would still put me off. They're coming at Nicole from a position of perceived power - she owes her life in L.A. to them - her job and her place to live. And she likely feels, deep down, like she somehow "owes" Maya because her loose lips to Wyatt are what led to Maya's public "outing." She's also clearly uncomfortable with this, but afraid to speak up. Maya needs to only look beyond herself for two seconds and take a glance at her sister's face to get that this is not someone who is all in with zero doubts. That Maya refuses to listen to her parents' objections and, instead, got angry that they were even let in on the idea, shows that she's not considering anything beyond her wants. She wants a baby. She wants that baby to have Avant DNA. She wants her teenage sister to carry the baby so she will have unfettered access to her uterus, 24/7. This is phenomenally selfish. Had she gone about this not asking, and, after hearing that Rick and Maya were looking into becoming parents, Nicole had volunteered her eggs and womb for the cause, I wouldn't be so grossed out by Maya and Rick.

I might forgive them if DrunkKiki is Toonces this time.

No, see, that would be for the good of society. When people kill for the good of society, they lock them up and throw away the key. Just ask Matt.

They're playing to her strengths?

This would be good. They need to do something unexpected with this reveal at this point. It's been dragged out so long that someone bursting in to disrupt the wedding, revealing the truth, and someone revealing that Liz knew, so the whole town can stone her as a lying whore or whatever, while people just shake their heads at that scamp, Nik, who will inevitably get to go home and sex up the woman he tried to have killed, is just boring and predictable. And it won't boost the ratings for more than like a day, once everyone figures out that it's same old, same old.

Do you enjoy Dillon more or less than bears eating your family?

And it was far better than this show. If I have to deal with this shitty story line, couldn't we at least still have BitchFaceCameron? I loved that little kid's bitchface, and it is sorely needed here.

When he gets his memory back, I think the thing Jason's going to be most pissed off about is that he is dressed up for Halloween. I can't see Borg-y slapping a red nose on any time, ever.

At this point, I wouldn't even care if Nicole backed out because she's worried about Zende, just as long as she backs the hell out. Meanwhile, I'll be over here pretending I don't see the shit they're pulling with Ivy and Thomas. Nope. Not happening.

I wonder if it's some kind of reaction to the fact that it is (as far as she believes right now) his baby, and his relief to not be the father kind of feels, to her, like her baby is being rejected by him? Or, while it's not an ideal situation, she's still happy to be having the baby, and it hurts to hear that he would not be glad this baby exists if he knew the truth? So, either way, kind of a protective mother instinct thing?

A week or so ago, I was watching and thinking "they won't actually have Liz take the last name Doe, will they? Will the plan be for Jake to become Jake Weber?" But, no, this show thinks that Liz becoming "Liz Doe" is something that would happen. I can't.

Where he gets smashed between two tanker trucks full of fuel, right as another passing driver flicks their still lit cigarette out their window, and Sonny promptly gets blown to greasy pieces.

If these writers find some way to ruin having Robert, Robin, and Anna onscreen (or to somehow make them all about Sonny), I swear...

I think they'd have to have a special kind of grandbaby rabies to prioritize getting a grandchild with their genes over the potential damage to their young daughter in going through with this.

I think he's coming at it from a petulant child standpoint of "God! Dad is such an asshole all the time!" without giving it any thought as to what, specifically, set him off this time.

Have any of them pointed out to her the possibility of twins (or more)? And how much more of a toll that will take on her body? Because if the doctor gives her the hormone treatment to increase the likelihood that she'll conceive (and you know Raya will want to do everything to up the odds of the insemination being successful), it will also increase the likelihood of a multiple pregnancy. Mama Avant, as someone who has actually given birth, needs to sit Nicole down and talk to her about all of the emotional and physical effects of a normal pregnancy and then explain how the treatments she'll receive and the fact that this won't be her own baby when it's all over will amplify those effects. Because, clearly, Raya have found some quack who's willing to do this to a 19 year old virgin without really relating all the risks and the physical and emotional toll this will take on her, so someone needs to step in and lay some truth on this girl. I don't think she remotely gets what she'd truly be in for here. And, yes, most women who have given birth say they'd do it all over again (well, eventually they say that), but those women are coming at it from a point of view of "yes, a lot of gross and painful stuff happened, but I got my child out of that." Nicole's pot of gold at the end of that rainbow is to watch her biological child, the one she carried for 9 months and bonded with, be raised as her niece/nephew. And, yes, to everyone who has pointed out the likelihood that this won't be one and done. I hope someone brings up the idea to her that, after she births this child, Raya will be back to her saying "well, it's really important to us that all of our kids have the same genes, and, have we ever mentioned that we want a big family?" I'd love to see someone point out to Maya that she, of all people, should understand that, sometimes, biology makes a mistake, so why the hell is she so damn focused on biology now? I know the show would never go there, outside of, possibly, Papa Avant (and he'd be painted in the wrong to say it, of course). But, seriously.

Why would she dampen the happiness of the news that St. Jasus is going to have a great niece or great nephew with talk of that fat loser?

Agreed. I wouldn't have a problem with her being pissed if she wasn't acting like they were this great love of the century. Does she not remember that whole marrying him while she was in love with his brother thing? And that she wouldn't have even considered getting back together with him if his brother hadn't kicked her ass out the door? So, sure, be mad. Be all "I cannot believe I even thought about trying this again, that was our last shot at being a couple, never call me again!" Great. Just don't act like the love of your life kicked you in the teeth.

Plus, with Franco, we were supposed to see it as "oh, look how romantic it is that he's faking being mentally ill to be near the crazy chick he loves!" and not "about damn time his ass got locked up in a mental hospital!"

I believe Karen and CC's character live in New York. I think that is where Caroline got in her accident and stayed with them while LG was off screen recovering from her accident. And I think that it's never been revealed who her father is.

If only Carlos was still alive. We could have gotten a complete re-enactment of the Bullet of Love. Carlos could be helping Sabrina as she goes into labor in a remote cabin. Michael comes in and pulls a Sonny.

The anvils were pretty heavy there. "We'll start the day after the Halloween party!" God, shut up, Carly. You should consider yourself extremely lucky that Michael has even let you back into his life, and now you want to shoot that to hell by deciding it's up to you who he marries? And, please, let's not even pretend you have the slightest idea how to make a marriage work. Michael would do well to go exactly counter to your marital advice.

Let me dream. The show will crush those dreams soon enough.