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Bruno Heller interview at Coliider. One interesting bit: I assumed that any of the really "out there"/sci-fi characters were off the table; but now it looks like we could see anybody -- as long as they don't show any superpowers. More options if this show lasts long enough.

I have questions about Gordon's history with the city/police: Everyone kept treating (and telling) Gordon like it was his first day in Gotham. Maybe it's his first week as a detective, but doesn't that imply that he has been in the GCPD for a while at a lower rank? Because it seems as though this was his first taste of how corrupt and cynical the police force is, but he didn't pick up on that when he worked there previously? (Was he there previously?) Did I miss a line of exposition? I'm going to need a little more backstory.

No no no -- ethernet cable AND the co-pilot dangling out of the plane. Seriously??

Heh; I still have yet to get into Castle, so thanks for the info. Nope, nothin' wrong with fluff, but there wasn't any character I really liked enough for me to stick around for -- not good when I've already seen this before with more likeable people. But I'll give a couple more episodes.

For the time being, Fox is going to be re-airing Gotham episodes Fridays at 9 Eastern. I wonder if airing twice a week will help the show any?

That was annoying to me even before this aired; hopefully it's just a case of pilot-itis and there's a lot less of it in future episodes.

...And then I mentally added the "chung-chung" sound effect at the end.

Liked it, excited to see how what they do with all these characters. They did pack everything but the kitchen sink into the pilot--yes, Nygma, Ivy, and CatTween® weren't needed here. For me, the show will succeed or fail on whether they can follow up on all the leads they started here. I've never seen Ben McKensie in anything, but I liked him and thought he really embodied the character. As for Fish, sorry to say, but I think she can only get campier from here on out. Loved the wig adjustment, though! After all those preview clips, I needed that unexpected moment of comedy. I need to see more of Cobblepot to form an real opinion. However, the little bit we saw of Alfred intrigued me. Him telling Bruce to keep his head up walking away from the crime scene tells you a lot. LOVED the production values! Including the wardrobe choices. They really got the moodiness of the city down. So about the plot: I'm really worried for Gordon; he's a minnow in a city of sharks! P.S.: Credit to mtlchick for 'CatTween'. :-)

Pretty much. Luke Perry is in the cast.

Finally got to watch this through, and re-watch the New Amsterdam pilot; so, thar be comparisons ahead! It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, although there was alot of 'I've seen this before, only done better'. I'm willing to give this a chance (2 more episodes) to see if it gets any better. They really need to tone down the Sherlock wannabe stuff -- there are enough of those on TV right now. This and New Amsterdam have quite a few things in common (from the pilots, at least); obviously the immortal male lead solving crimes in NYC with his centuries of accumulated knowledge, with female sidekick. But also: • Both have narration (but NA’s is only in the first ten minutes) • A secret lab/workshop • A European actor cast • Both still use a pocketwatch • A key scene takes place in the subway • Both have a son that appears older, that functions as their confidant • Both shows the reason for Immortality is iffy (but it's fantasy, so, whatevs), but involves the lead getting killed trying to protect someone else. • Also both pilots manage to get the lead naked, or wet and naked more than once. Heh. But there a lot of differences, though. They did make some effort to differentiate it from similar shows. In NA, he knows how he became immortal and (mostly) knows what he has to do to die. In Forever, all that is a mystery; which I think is an good way to keep interest. In NA, there’s a romantic drama subplot that a big theme; his past relationships are very relevant. In Forever, he mentions that others found out his secret and he got in trouble; in NA, it seems only his lovers and some of his children know the secret. NA had more racial diversity; and the lead had a female partner as well as a love interest. However, this show it looks like the female partner is going to have a more substantial role. For me the most significant difference between the two is the lead characters. I liked John Amsterdam way more than Henry Morgan. John was a lot more charming, and actually seems to care about life and people. He seemed to be more careful about his immortality; even though he couldn’t die, he could still be scarred by injuries. In contrast, Henry died four times in the pilot (twice on purpose!) — more times than John did on his short-lived show. You’d think he’d be more careful seeing as how he always wakes up in another location. And he’s just more obnoxious and annoying with his knowledge. The show has potential and I hope it gets better. However, I thought the chemistry between the two leads was lukewarm, so I doubt it has any staying power.

I actually think that a story about an AI learning to be more human (or whatever) would be a cool idea for a show; I just don't think it fit here on this show where the main story is about aliens. Yeah, I just needed to see how it ended. I had lots of issues with the Ethan storyline, but I agree, the young actor was really good playing a robotic little boy. Also, I don't know if it counts as a plot hole, but it bugged me that they never explained why the aliens approached people in the form of dead people. (Well, besides that they wanted to be creepy...)

Jada seems to be having a lot of fun playing eeeeeevill.

Gotham Character guide. Really interesting what the actors say about their characters! And six clips from the Pilot.

There's got to be a Halloween episode, right? Unless the writers feel that talking about Bruce and his (future?) relationship to masks/costumes is too obvious.

Barbara Kean played by Erin Richards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdgo6HDM0Qw

So many preview/promo videos! I've stopped watching them all because I don't want to see everything before the premiere. Afterwards, I'm going into spoiler-phobe mode.

Yeah, I'm truly disappointed that there was no conclusion to his arc. I was never able to buy into the Ethan storyline (why is everyone treating him like a child, HE IS NOT) so I was glad that he finally did something useful and exploded. Then they un-deaded him. ::sigh::

I weep for your loss. ----- The Baby Boy case was about a man who lost his dog(Baby Boy) and was suing to get it back from a woman who apparently bought it from someone shady. Woman refuses to believe that the dog was the plaintiff's and give it back. She brought the dog to court though. JJ tells her to let the dog go and with a quickness it runs over to his true owner! Cue "awww"s from the audience and tears from the plaintiff. Case closed.

I didn't even realize until this week that Laz Alonso was in this. Now I feel bad for him. I want him to be in a good show!

I'm sorry if my use of "versus" in the title is confusing; this thread is meant as a place to compare and contrast the show to other versions of Batman (movies/comics/TV). --- The animated series was pretty procedural, too.

I hope we see Dr. Leslie Thompkins. And if he wasn't already cast as 'Captain Cold' on The Flash, Wentworth Miller would make a good Dr. Fries/Mr. Freeze.

Oh, and another tie-in website: http://witnessgotham.com It's an interactive thing where you can "investigate" the Wayne murders.

Dark but not themselves seriously? Reminds me of Prison Break. Which may be a good thing since that show ran on comic book logic; but it should (hopefully) work better here.

So Pete Davidson's "miscellaneous" face is going to be an asset, but can he do impressions?