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Kyle, Dorit, Mauricio, PK really showed their ass this time. All horrid people. And no Kyle, it is not good to see this "new" Erika letting loose and acting like a drunken fool being inapproprate to Garcelle's children. As if she wasn't cringeworthy enough propositioning Garcelle's married son to do a threesome, she makes it worse by telling her 14 year old son to get the F out of here. Erika should have called Garcelle the next day to apologize for all of it, not waited to sheepishly run into her at Sutton's dinner party. I wish Sutton would get tougher with these women, especially Kyle and Rinna. They are not her friends.

Sutton should cut her losses with Diana. She is unworthy of Sutton's attempts to genuinely try to connect with her. WHO TF was Kyle to pull up a chair and insert herself in their conversation in the first place? Let alone to get physically and verbally aggressive toward Sutton when she talked about her prior miscarriages to the point of implying she was lying!! Who does that? So many people have had fertility struggles and miscarriages in their past that don't talk about it. Between laughing at Erika cursing at Garcelle's son and bullying Sutton, it's not a good look for Kyle.

Emily is so obnoxious and needs to STFU. Gina says Shannon has to answer for all the ding dong things she did meanwhile Gina has an exorcism and leaves gifts for ghosts in coal mines. What did Shannon actually do to anyone - other than Gina's imaginary issue with her being jealous of her phony friendship with Heather? As discussed at length before, the ire of the lawsuit reveal directed at Shannon was ridiculous. Most people would want to know that a person they were friends with had sued them in the past! Jen is boring. Her and Ryne are not fun to watch and sometimes even uncomfortable. Noella is nuts but I like that she doesn't kiss up to the others. I think they tried to make this season the Heather Dubrow show but her and Gina and Emily constantly ganging up 3 on 1 against Shannon showed a very ugly side to her.

Alternative thought - I wonder if Kenedi just decided that she wasn't ready to leave her simple, 17 year old high school life behind for the life-changing stardom they practically guaranteed she was headed for. I could see that pressure being overwhelming to a teenager. I guess we will find out soon enough if she pops up somewhere else with a different record deal.

Shannon comes off as the most likeable and "normal" this season, She takes incoming bullshit from everyone and remains relatively calm trying to talk things out while the rest of them just want to go off on her. She seems to have a maturity while the others act like a clique of teenagers in high school. Heather/Gina/Emily are the mean girls snuggling in bed and talking trash about people. Jen adds nothing to the mix but gloms on to Heather's every move which puts Shannon constantly on defense against these idiots. You don't have to be jealous of someone to think that they have a big head and their ego needs to come back to reality. It's called an observation. Gina is definitely full of herself these days.Her storming off because Noella didn't recognize her friend's nickname casually dropped in a conversation was so embarassing. I thought she said Todd lol

Shannon has been the punching bag this entire season and it has not been fun to watch. She seems to be in a good place in her life and the Heather, Gina, Emily trio come off like bullies at this point. In Episode 1, Heather directed her wrath at Shannon because she dared to make the connection that this friend Nicole was the same woman who she knew sued Terry in the past. Any normal person would wonder about their friendship under those circumstances. Heather should have been angry with Nicole for hiding it or Gina for bringing it up at a party but instead went off on Shannon, who did nothing wrong IMO. Heather only sees things from her Heather-centric world and assumes everyone should fall in line. Her friendships with Emily and Gina do not seem genuine. Noella is a loon but I appreciate that she doesn't kiss Heather's ass or take any of her crap.

I was disappointed that Susie took him back. For me, the best outcome would have been for him to end up alone because honestly, these girls all deserve better than that lunkhead. Susie may think she "won" but Clayton is no prize and this relationship won't last. Even though Gabby and Rachel told him off last night, I thought he still got off easy for what he put them through. If he was a decent person, he would have let them both go at the rose ceremony because he was broken and he knew he loved Susie the most at that point *eyeroll*. Instead, he begged them both to stay and "fight", had them bond with his family further getting their hopes up only to dump them both at the same time to chase after Susie again. Still can't believe she went back to him, having the benefit of knowing what he did to and with the other girls as well as seeing that nasty side of his personality when he turned on her.

Tiffany was paranoid and believed that Zander had an idol so she convinced the other two women to vote Voce with her to be sure that she would not go home if an idol was played. It would be really odd if he said that again at another challenge. I would think that now that he has said his butterfly phrase, he will just wait for the other two phrases to be said.

Although unexpectedly normal for them, I think the baby's name is Rose. They refer to her as baby R and both use the 🌹 emoji in their posts about her. From Caitlynn: "Roses are red Violets are blue She’s our 🌹 And we’re so happy for her to meet you!"

Yes very cruel to ditch Rachael on her last date with no explanation and also cruel to not give Michelle her two minutes to get closure. Matt clearly has issues of his own to work through.

He's been gone two months and yet so much of this program is still devoted to talking about Trump. Lots of other things currently going on in the world but yet this group is stuck on him.

WW = Walter White of Breaking Bad, also played by Brian Cranston. I liked this series although you had to pretty much suspend disbelief to buy into the whole premise. There is no way that accident would not have been caught on some camera somewhere. He would have been on camera at the precinct the night of the accident. No cameras at the marina either? Cameras everywhere in 2021!

Hannah B has a new BF so hopefully it won't be her. https://people.com/tv/hannah-brown-adam-woolard-hold-hands/ Don't want Becca or Kelly either. Would love to see someone new have a chance!

If people were sending Anna messages telling her to watch out for Brittany before the show started filming, then wouldn't Anna have been curious that Brittany wasn't even there in the OG group. If she was smart, she might have figured out that more women would be coming. I understand why the women were upset when the newbies showed up because they all think that if they could only get more time with Matt then they would fall madly in love. Realistically though, if Matt wasn't feeling it with somebody at that point, adding new women into the mix isn't going to change anything.

I was originally thinking Tulip was Maddie for sure but I am going with MacKenzie now. Her word up clue was "princess" and MacKenzie voiced the lead in "Ice Princess Lily". She may be hard for these judges to guess since she's not as well known as some of the other celebs.

There is no bigger turnoff to a man than desperation. Clare pushed way too hard too fast for marriage & babies because of her age. I get that. I also get why Dale would feel smothered by her and want out. I really hope the show is done with Clare. She's had more than enough chances and clearly this process does not work for her.

Sarah also reminds me of Annie Murphy who plays Alexis Rose on Schitt's Creek. She's cute and seems like a nice person. BUT she is already starting with the "if he's keeping Victoria around, then maybe he's not the guy I think he is" routine which is ridiculous one week in when Matt barely knows most of their names at this point. And the fact that she fainted when she already has the rose, it may turn out to be that the stress of this show is too much for her. Not sure why Matt felt like he had to pull Marylyn aside to flesh out Victoria's accusations instead of just filing it in his memory bank and getting to know them both better to judge for himself. Either that or decide to send them both packing at the rose ceremony and not insert himself into the situation at all.

Matt was a bit like a deer in headlights but he seems like a genuinely nice guy. Dildo woman and lingerie woman would turn off most men seeking a potential wife. Less is more ladies! Victoria was so obnoxious! I get that the Queen thing is her schtick to get noticed but even her occupation said "Queen". Does she not have a career? She is neither attractive or charismatic enough to pull it off.

Sorry but Clare knows the format of the show is not to single out one person on the first day (or perhaps before) and treat the rest of the guys like they are a nuisance in the way of her one true love DALE!!! I don't blame them for getting an attitude - they wait all day to get a chance to talk to her meanwhile off camera she is telling producers she wants to rush through their conversations and yucking it up with Deanna about how it's going to be the shortest season ever. Clare is and always has been about Clare. That is the reason why she is single at 39. Even though he is no prize, I imagine Dale watching some of this back may see some red flags with her.

IMO Brandon didn't say or do anything wrong to warrant Clare's overreaction. Clare is infatuated with Dale and has already concluded that Dale is her husband even before she had a conversation with some of the other men, She is just looking for any reason to send the rest of them home.

Wow Clare is a serious train wreck.....very easy to see why she is single at 39. She simply cannot get over herself and gets this scary look in her eyes when she is about to "turn" like she did with Brandon and on the guys who dared to not try to steal her away after 30 seconds. She sees herself as being such a strong woman but in reality she is a control freak. I don't see her lasting with anyone for the long term.

Yes!! Today's column was especially ridiculous, like Joe himself. He's in his fifties and he just now realizes that not everyone thinks they can achieve the American dream? Mika reading it aloud in it's entirety was like a proud mom reading her little boy's essay!

Obviously they are desperate to manufacture drama this season... how convenient that Brandon, Juliette and Madisson's exes fly in from all over the world to show up at a little Halloween party? I am officially bored.

Joe is getting more animated by the day....almost to the point of being cartoonish!! Hard not to cringe watching him take off on one of his long rants!

I can't stand Alex - I never got what was so great about him that every girl in Siesta Key threw themselves at him, other than the lure of his (parents) money. So good riddance to him but the rest of them are just so boring and the storylines are ridiculous. Madisson begging her creepy bf for attention is cringeworthy. Garrett and Kelsey have no charisma. And the main story about Juliette's righteous struggle with telling Alyssa the truth is completely fake. It's not her job to inform Alyssa that Alex is a shit, she would find out soon enough that he cheated considering well, the whole thing was filmed. Alex's father making sure Chloe keeps her mouth shut is not only slimy but also ridiculous because well, the cheating is on film. Ugh these people!