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Episode description from Googling "Law and Order SVU season 20 episode 22, Diss"

When a pop star is assaulted in her home, the SVU investigates the public feud between her rapper husband and a competing recording artist; Fin's family ties to a suspect take him off the case.

This description is from "All Things Law and Order, Diss"

SNOOP DOGG GUEST STARS -- When a pop star is assaulted in her home, the SVU investigates the public feud between her rapper husband (guest star Orlando Jones) and a competing recording artist (guest star Snoop Dogg). Meanwhile, Fin's (Ice T) family ties to a suspect takes him off the case. Also starring Mariska Hargitay, Kelli Giddish, Peter Scanavino and Philip Winchester. Also guest starring Amber Stevens West (Dallas Monroe), L. Scott Caldwell (Jo Anderson), Deandre Leatherbury (Andreas Harper), Elizabeth Tate (Vickie Lewis) and Milan Marsh (Lexie Monroe).

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Somebody really needs to explain this to me. Why is it when a crime is committed that is directly related to Benson, that she is suppose to be taken off the case, but she still becomes an active participant? In this episode, Fin is taken off the case and I am sure Benson will give him a stern lecture and warning, telling him he is off the case. I just hope Fin gives her both barrels for all the times she violated protocols.

I hope Fin is the main character in this episode and Benson takes a backseat for once.

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Omg... Is it possible that after what seems like 10000 straight episodes... A white lady isn't the victim??..  Of course now that its some blk folks there are rappers involved but whatever I'll take it and be angry about that some other time 

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Finally all of the main characters are going to be in an episode again!! 

This looks interesting, I hope we get some focus on Fin and I’m curious to see what his connection to the case is. But yeah if Benson removes Fin from the case I hope Fin fires back about all the times Benson didn’t back off of personal cases. It’s just more proof as to why Benson shouldn’t be in charge of SVU.

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Lol...If Fin wants to be a part of the case, he will find a way to do so.  No one in SVU listens when they are told they can’t be involved.  Crazy thing is no one is ever reprimanded, so they keep doing it. 

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16 hours ago, UNOSEZ said:

A white lady isn't the victim??.

Wouldn't be quite so sure....just looked at the trailer again & it's hard to tell. She could be white, latina, or a light-skinned African-American. I just looked at the trailer again (on imdb)...she can be seen on a stretcher (but there are words blocking her), on a stage (far away and dimly lit) and in a hospital bed (which is the best look at her), but you only see her for like 1 second each time.  https://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2213723161?playlistId=tt9122678&ref_=tt_ov_vi

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In the latest short clip of SVU channel on Youtube, the SVU stops a confrontation. But they make it sound like Snoop did with a so-called confession. I think it may be a ruse?

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9 minutes ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

That opening was a Cringy mess. 

Yup, I kind of figured it would be a shoot of some kind, but at the same time, was half expecting it to be the crime. 

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On 4/28/2019 at 2:02 PM, illdoc said:

Wouldn't be quite so sure....just looked at the trailer again & it's hard to tell. She could be white, latina, or a light-skinned African-American. I just looked at the trailer again (on imdb)...she can be seen on a stretcher (but there are words blocking her), on a stage (far away and dimly lit) and in a hospital bed (which is the best look at her), but you only see her for like 1 second each time.  https://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2213723161?playlistId=tt9122678&ref_=tt_ov_vi

The actress is mixed race - her father is Shadoe Stevens; according to wikipedia her mother is Black and part Comanche. (I had to look her up because she looked so familiar and I couldn't place her...she was in the sitcom The Carmichael Show.)

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13 minutes ago, dttruman said:

I am a little confused, wasn't the husband on stage performing when the assault occurred? I must of missed something.

Yes, he was.

Orlando Jones and Snoop as Aging rappers, this episode is  cringe worthy.

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20 minutes ago, dttruman said:

I am a little confused, wasn't the husband on stage performing when the assault occurred? I must of missed something.

Yes, he was.

Orlando Jones and Snoop as Aging rappers, this episode is  cringe worthy. 

I thought it would be easy enough to check.

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Why was SVU/St. Olivia first on the scene when there was an obvious assault that wasn't deemed sexual in nature? And as a matter, St. Olivia asks a uniform cop at the scene "was she raped?" Are there no other detectives in the NYPD other than the SVU crew?  Where is Danny Regan when you really need him?

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That was an interesting episode. Having a lot of Fin was great, the more of Fin the better, this was a nice feature for him. Anytime Fin gets a lot of screen time is awesome. I liked how the episode was sort of open ended at the end, with it being left open whether Snake would ever be charged with the murder, I imagine at Andreas’ trial stuff would come out but I don’t know if there would ever be enough evidence to have him arrested. 

It was nice to see all of the main characters in the episode again, but Stone will only in it for barely a minute. He’s been completely wasted as of late, it’s pretty clear he already has one foot out the door IMO, I just hope he exits strong.

Carisi disappeared for the entire middle of the episode, but I liked how he cracked the case by noticing the bike. And BTW, did anyone else find it odd how Carisi called Fin “sergeant”? That was really odd and overly formal IMO, given how closely Fin and Carisi have worked together. 

Benson wasn’t very irritating in this one which is a huge plus. 

I was surprised Snoop didn’t have a bigger role since a lot was made about his appearance, he was pretty good in the scenes he was in with his wiseass retorts, but he was nothing more than a red herring. 

This was a pretty good episode with the heavy focus on Fin being nice, but I was disappointed with how little of Stone there was, especially since he will only be in 2 more episodes. But I enjoyed the episode, anytime Fin gets a heavy focus is a good episode for me.

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It look like a pretty good investigative episode, but I thought they didn't use Snoop enough. There were a couple of shortcomings that were a little obvious.

It look like they only used Stone in this episode to have him order Fin off the case. Benson has done worse in previous episodes that warranted her removal from cases also, but she was allowed to break protocol and continued to investigate those cases.

Did they have another casting blunder like "The Good Girl"? Wasn't the character, Vicky Lewis suppose to be the mother of Andreas Harper? IMO, Andreas looked 15 years old minimum and Vicky looked 25 maximum.

IMO, Benson never should have been the one to interrogate Andreas. I thought it should have been Fin, because he could more easily relate better to Andreas and his situation. I hope I did not saying anything racially insensitive here. I just thought it was a lot of BS and convenient to have Fin no longer running point (as Rollins put it so smugly), just so Benson could have her drawn out annoying talk with Andreas and how she could relate to him.

So was Vicky given that money because of the fling she had with Snake or because of what she knew about what happen to Andreas' father?

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1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

Carisi disappeared for the entire middle of the episode, but I liked how he cracked the case by noticing the bike

Hey. I cracked the case too the minute we heard Carisi interview the bike owner.

1 hour ago, dttruman said:

So was Vicky given that money because of the fling she had with Snake or because of what she knew about what happen to Andreas' father?

I'm not sure if Snake's mom thought it was for one or the other, because either way it was related.

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2 hours ago, kitkat343 said:

Boy these must be the worst detectives ever if it took them 20 years to learn that Finn's mother was murdered.  

I'm sure Fin got some kind of satisfaction at the time when he found out the person who killed his mother was later popped himself.

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19 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

 I liked how the episode was sort of open ended at the end, with it being left open whether Snake would ever be charged with the murder, I imagine at Andreas’ trial stuff would come out but I don’t know if there would ever be enough evidence to have him arrested.

I am going to have to wait to watch it again "On Demand", but I forgot how Andreas got possession of the gun or was actually explained how he got the gun?

Even though Fin is a cop, he still held to the beliefs from which he came. It must be a major conflict for Fin and police officers like him.

Now on the other hand Benson took a complete 180 degree turn. Benson showed no sympathy towards Andreas. After all, wasn't he a victim too, losing his father like that. Wasn't he entitled to some payback, just like Lourdes Vega (from Remember Me & Remember Me Too). I guess Benson is not universally sympathetic to all victims. (Just being a little over dramatic for affect here)

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4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Hey. I cracked the case too the minute we heard Carisi interview the bike owner.

I'm not sure if Snake's mom thought it was for one or the other, because either way it was related.

Yes to the bike.  

There was no affair. That was a made up cover story, I think. However at one point I thought it was going to be a twist that Snake was the father of Andreas. 

It was not believable that the SVU crew was unaware of Fin’s back story. I hate that kind of exposition. 

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7 hours ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

PW was basically a credited Extra with lines.

I felt the same way about Carisi.  True, he had a bit more time on screen than Stone, and I'd say it was quality time, but it was sorely lacking in quantity.  He disappeared for a good chunk of the episode.

Chernuchin can't be gone soon enough, as far as I'm concerned.

6 hours ago, preeya said:

Why was SVU/St. Olivia first on the scene when there was an obvious assault that wasn't deemed sexual in nature? And as a matter, St. Olivia asks a uniform cop at the scene "was she raped?" Are there no other detectives in the NYPD other than the SVU crew? 

I can see Olivia being on the scene, as she's the SVU brass and this case concerned a major celebrity.  What I can't see is why this case stayed with SVU at all.  In the real world, I doubt they'd have been called in for this case right away, since the only thing the uni noted was a torn robe which could easily happen when a person is beaten up.  Even if the woman had been raped, this seemed a case for Major Cases, within the L&O structure.  But, then, we wouldn't have had an ep!

6 hours ago, dttruman said:

Did they have another casting blunder like "The Good Girl"? Wasn't the character, Vicky Lewis suppose to be the mother of Andreas Harper? IMO, Andreas looked 15 years old minimum and Vicky looked 25 maximum.

OMG, that was the most unbelievable thing in the ep!  Trying to make us believe that woman was that kid's mother was laughable.

4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Hey. I cracked the case too the minute we heard Carisi interview the bike owner.

They sure hung a lantern by that, didn't they?  Ah, well, anything for more Carisi time.

I'm not sure how I feel about this one, specifically the Fin aspect.  He was wildly unprofessional throughout, but he's not the first detective we can say that about on this show.  And, based on his interactions with family members in the past, I didn't buy him swaying to Jo's emotional blackmail.  I need to digest this one some more.

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1 hour ago, GussieK said:

There was no affair. That was a made up cover story, I think. However at one point I thought it was going to be a twist that Snake was the father of Andreas

Right. The blackmail money was because Vickie knew that Snake killed Andreas' father (albeit in self defense), BUT, did Snake's mom believe she was paying Vickie to keep quiet about an affair with Snake? (I was a little sleep deprived while watching.)

  

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7 hours ago, dttruman said:

Did they have another casting blunder like "The Good Girl"? Wasn't the character, Vicky Lewis suppose to be the mother of Andreas Harper? IMO, Andreas looked 15 years old minimum and Vicky looked 25 maximum.

OMG, that was the most unbelievable thing in the ep!  Trying to make us believe that woman was that kid's mother was laughable

Olivia, do the math! This is your SVU case, 'cause we all know that if Vickie got pg when she was, like, 12, that there's got to be a big name rapper who has a thing for little girls. </end-mild-sarcasm>  

ETA: I don't know how old Justyn T. Henry/Andreas is, but Elizabeth Tate/Vickie turned 30 in February.

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The Good:
Fin! Even though there were some issues and borderline OOC moments throughout it was nice to have another Fin-centric episode. One of the things I have really enjoyed the last couple seasons is that they've allowed him to actually be front and center occasionally instead of telling us we're getting a Fin episode and having it actually be all about Benson (looking at you "No Surrender"...)
Stone. Even though he was mainly a glorified extra, what he had was pretty good. It's nice to see him standing up to Benson without being portrayed as the villain. I'm going to miss that .
Carisi. It's been nice to see him breaking a lot of cases with actual detective work this season. I wish he had gotten more to do as well, but I liked what we got.
Benson was pretty tolerable this week.
No extraneous personal subplots.
The case. It was nice to see some affluent minorities abusing their wealth and the power it brings them instead of just affluent white people! It was also not a he said, she said and not solved through the magic of Benson whispering.
The guest cast. Everyone was pretty good and their charm managed to carry a lot of questionable wrting.

The Bad:
There were a lot of little things where the central issues of later year SVU shone through. For instance the exposition at the crime scene we used to get where they would explain that it was a high profile case with a child witness so the brass called in the squad to handle it would have helped things flow better. But now that the CO has to be the first on the scene and they need the time that used to spent on such things to make sure Benson gets her quota of screen time emoting, those sort of things have fallen by the wayside. Or like using the husband's anger issues to get him to do something where they can actually slap cuffs on him and bring him in for questioning instead of arresting him for - being a bad person?
The portrayal of rap/R&B is something this franchise has never done well, and this was no exception. While I usually enjoy MC's attempts to go back to the classic formula this is an are where a little bit of change wouldn't hurt.
While I liked the Fin focus and giving Ice-T something that actually kept him engaged there were several moments where Fin seemed to be acting more like Benson or Rollins than himself.

Overall this was a decent episode. A great idea that didn't quite live up to its potential. I suspect that there is a much better show in there, lost in editing and in the transition from story to script in order to save money. I wish I had the wisdom of St. Benson so I could look into the hearts of those involved and know their intent instead of having to rely on the evidence in front of me.

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1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

ETA: I don't know how old Justyn T. Henry/Andreas is, but Elizabeth Tate/Vickie turned 30 in February.

Wow, I had no idea she was that old! She could have been Andreas' girlfriend for all I knew. You'd think they would get someone to pass for 30 or something?

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23 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I don't get it, why did Snake kill Andreas's father?

Apparently a gang beef, he hinted that it was self defense at the end but I assume it was a part of a gang war.

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3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Apparently a gang beef, he hinted that it was self defense at the end but I assume it was a part of a gang war.

I wonder if there is going to be an episode that follows up on this episode, in the future? If it does, I wonder if it is going to be similar to a couple of previous episodes (Venom, Screwed), that starred Ludacris, where family skeletons will come out of the closet during (Andreas') trial?

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1 minute ago, dttruman said:

I wonder if there is going to be an episode that follows up on this episode, in the future? If it does, I wonder if it is going to be similar to a couple of previous episodes (Venom, Screwed), that starred Ludacris, where family skeletons come out of the closet during (Andreas') trial?

That would be interesting, but I doubt we will ever come back to it, especially with showrunners changing.

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15 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I don't know how old Justyn T. Henry/Andreas is, but Elizabeth Tate/Vickie turned 30 in February.

I don't know what age he was supposed to be - If they said, I missed it. - but the actor looked too old to be a thirty-year-old's son, so...  Yeah, Liv, maybe you were investigating the wrong crime here.

14 hours ago, wknt3 said:

Overall this was a decent episode. A great idea that didn't quite live up to its potential.

Yes, compared to most of the eps the last few seasons, this one was a better effort in terms of storyline for the crime of the week.  I wish they hadn't twisted Fin into a pretzel to get there, but it was delightful to see him front and center for the whole ep instead of Benson or Rollins.  I even enjoyed that other guy giving him a bit of grief at the top of the episode for not telling Benson he knew the victim's husband.  Wouldn't mind seeing an ep centered on him again.  What's his name, then?  Caruso?

ETA:  I almost forgot!  I loved Benson's delivery on the "I'm gonna need the name of your other bitch" line.  MH can still bring it, when she's not acting, with a capital A.

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I was just blown away seeing so many non white people in one episode, and seeing Fin have so many lines! I didnt think that was allowed to happen anymore in the hilarious white bred St. Olivia version of SVU! It was at least a decently interesting episode and it was nice to get a break from our endless stream of pretty white victims and the evil white guys in suites that abuse them, but I feel like they didnt quite stick the landing. It took so many turns, that it just ended up being kind of confusing, and the fact that the people involved were famous singers/rappers ended up having very little to do with what actually happened, which I thought was kind of disappointing. 

It was nice to get some backstory on Fin, and his mom and family. I also cracked up when he found out that his sweet surrogate mom was paying off the hair lady on her sons behalf! His eyes were about to pop out of his skull! He was rather unprofessional, and yeah he clearly shouldn't be on a case where one of the main suspects is his childhood best friend, but Olivia really has no legs to stand on when it comes to making things personal. She makes things personal in every freaking case and always projects her own crap on every random women she comes into contact with, at least Fin has something of an excuse! 

I wish Snoop Dog was in it more, although I am glad he wasnt the one who did it. He did pretty good in his few scenes, even if it was just as red hearing. I mean, he plays an aging raper really well, go figure. 

Hmmm, I wonder if that bike we were shown randomly in the beginning will have something to do with the case later on...

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1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

He was rather unprofessional, and yeah he clearly shouldn't be on a case where one of the main suspects is his childhood best friend, but Olivia really has no legs to stand on when it comes to making things personal. She makes things personal in every freaking case and always projects her own crap on every random women she comes into contact with, at least Fin has something of an excuse! 

I was almost hoping she would act like a "strictly by the book" superior and go into one of her self-righteous monologues and tell him how important it is to follow protocol. I was so ready to rip Benson to pieces for that holier-than-thou moment and double standard attitude.

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1 minute ago, atlantaloves said:

oh Good God from Zion, this show sucks. I'm out after 20 years.

It wasn't as bad as some of the previous episodes. It would have been one of the worst if Benson had lectured Fin on showing more professionalism and he needs to withdraw from the case because of his personal involvement.

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On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 4:59 AM, preeya said:

Why was SVU/St. Olivia first on the scene when there was an obvious assault that wasn't deemed sexual in nature? And as a matter, St. Olivia asks a uniform cop at the scene "was she raped?" Are there no other detectives in the NYPD other than the SVU crew?  Where is Danny Regan when you really need him?

Her clothing was torn, why they kept it after the rape kit proved negative is more the issue?

On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 7:51 AM, kitkat343 said:

Boy these must be the worst detectives ever if it took them 20 years to learn that Finn's mother was murdered.  

Anyone else think 'New Jack City'?

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On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 6:54 AM, shapeshifter said:

Hey. I cracked the case too the minute we heard Carisi interview the bike owner.

I'm not sure if Snake's mom thought it was for one or the other, because either way it was related.

Yeah, too obvious. In cases like that we should have the detectives questions a number of different people so it's not so obvious. 

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On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 12:20 PM, shapeshifter said:

Right. The blackmail money was because Vickie knew that Snake killed Andreas' father (albeit in self defense), BUT, did Snake's mom believe she was paying Vickie to keep quiet about an affair with Snake? (I was a little sleep deprived while watching.)

  

Olivia, do the math! This is your SVU case, 'cause we all know that if Vickie got pg when she was, like, 12, that there's got to be a big name rapper who has a thing for little girls. </end-mild-sarcasm>  

ETA: I don't know how old Justyn T. Henry/Andreas is, but Elizabeth Tate/Vickie turned 30 in February.

Yeah, I though that too, she was way too young but we live in the age of botox. 

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On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 3:20 PM, Gillian Rosh said:

Well, that was anti-climactic. 

And maybe that's a good thing, that we don't have the over melodramatic 'bomb run'

On ‎5‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 1:01 AM, Xeliou66 said:

That would be interesting, but I doubt we will ever come back to it, especially with showrunners changing.

A shame, I like it when they harken back to previous storylines although the networks does't. 

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1. Okay, Finn should automatically recuse himself from the case, it shouldn't need Stone to tell him he has to. 

2. Clever opening, it really did have me fooled. 

3. Finn and Carisi rode in the limo and not their police car?

4. How are the suspects actions in the smash room (?) evidence to justify his arrest?

5. Nice slap for Finn, you didn't see it coming. 

6. The drive-by scene was genuinely tense, like how they resolved it without shots fired

7.  A cop who can't remember, never saw that on Cold Case? Actually realistic, how do you recall one murder from the hundreds you investigated 20 years ago (and just ran out of care after so many).

8. Benson mentions her cousin, I didn't realise she had one? Or is that through her brother Simon?

9. The moment the suspect asks for a lawyer Benson should stop then and there, not another word about the case. Equally were does Finn get off talking with the suspect at Rikers after he's been represented by council?

10. Finn's background, did we know that before? Very New Jack City.

11. Shouldn't everyone be prosecuted for illegal possession of firearms? Won't the Harper case be reopened after the ballistics come back on the gun? Which he kept for 20 years?

12. I liked the ending, very low key and more realistic, this was a pretty good one, I'll give it 8/10.  

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Thinking more on this episode (yeah, I know, sad), I was kind of disappointed in the Snoop Dogg cameo. He was fun, but I thought he'd be more than just a red herring.

The cold open was gross.

Liked seeing Fin more involved in a case. Ice-T and Orlando Jones had a nice onscreen chemistry.

Were Dallas and Snake supposed to be Beyonce and Jay-Z?

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Wasn’t there a follow up episode of this? Where they continued to beef, Dallas was burned in front of witnesses and Snake was sent to jail? They had to rush her to the hospital and Liv wore a suit... I swear it was an episode. Did they just get rid of it completely because the burns were too graphic?

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On 10/30/2020 at 9:56 PM, Charlie Clip said:

Wasn’t there a follow up episode of this? Where they continued to beef, Dallas was burned in front of witnesses and Snake was sent to jail? They had to rush her to the hospital and Liv wore a suit... I swear it was an episode. Did they just get rid of it completely because the burns were too graphic?

No there has never been a follow up to this episode. I have zero clue as to what you are talking about, although the season 8 episode Burned comes to mind as having a woman get burned badly, but it was years before this episode.

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7 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

No there has never been a follow up to this episode. I have zero clue as to what you are talking about, although the season 8 episode Burned comes to mind as having a woman get burned badly, but it was years before this episode.

I swear it was like...Dallas and Snake were being told by rumors or something about one dissing the other, Snake lights her on fire in public and she had to be treated for medical burns, while Snake was sent to jail for doing it. When Benson checked on Dallas, she was outside her medical room, hearing the screams of being chemically scrubbed. I KNOW this episode exists, but I think they deleted it everywhere because I can’t find it... Definitely happened after the Diss episode. Like a lost or bonus episode.

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9 hours ago, Charlie Clip said:

I swear it was like...Dallas and Snake were being told by rumors or something about one dissing the other, Snake lights her on fire in public and she had to be treated for medical burns, while Snake was sent to jail for doing it. When Benson checked on Dallas, she was outside her medical room, hearing the screams of being chemically scrubbed. I KNOW this episode exists, but I think they deleted it everywhere because I can’t find it... Definitely happened after the Diss episode. Like a lost or bonus episode.

No, this never happened. Trust me on this, I’m an expert on SVU and the whole L&O franchise, and there has never been a follow up to this episode. You are confusing the plot of the episode Burned from season 8 with the characters from this episode I believe. 

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14 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

No, this never happened. Trust me on this, I’m an expert on SVU and the whole L&O franchise, and there has never been a follow up to this episode. You are confusing the plot of the episode Burned from season 8 with the characters from this episode I believe. 

Yeahhhhhh you’re right, the actress looked similar to the woman who played Dallas.

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