Season 15: Speculation and Spoilers

[nutty1]

I remember RS saying we probably won't even see it.

[phlebas]

2 hours ago, nutty1 said:

I remember RS saying we probably won't even see it.

Hmmmm... that makes a certain sense. Suppress all that until the ATFR.

If they actually vetted these people (more than Demi in a van anyway), maybe they wouldn't have to course-correct so much.

[deSchenke]

At this point, I don't know what is a spoiler and what isn't, given that Haley has her story all over the media.  But I'll post this here to be safe - even though it's mostly regarding the HTDs.

I found Jed's hometown to be so odd, but I would really be confused by it had I not been aware of Haley.  Wow, that family really threw him under the bus!  But I keep wondering what they were/weren't told.

Seems to be that the "contestants" haven't met up with their families until they walk in the door with the B'ette.  So Jed's family had recently been introduced to Jed's girlfriend, Haley.  I suspect they knew he had an opportunity to be on The Bachelorette and had figured it to be a platform to get his musical career* on track.  Jed told Haley that The Bachelorette isn't real, it's acting or that he wasn't going to be there too long to be considered a contender but it would be a great platform to launc his singing career*.

*I'm almost choking on those words, they don't come easy! #wes

In arrives Jed and Hannah and they are wondering what the bleep is going on! Are we supposed to be in on the "act"?  What about Haley?  What are we supposed to say?

I honestly think they were so confused by the entire intrusion.  Does Jed have any time to talk to his family to explain - not that I have any idea what he would explain.  ? 

[dirtypop90]

^I agree with you.  Also good idea to post here.  I posted about Haley in another thread and got a warning even though it's in the media.

I thought Jed put his family in a bad spot.  I don't think they got a chance to speak to him without cameras.  I'm sure they were confused as he told them he was only going on for his career and they knew about Haley.

They made me gag talking about his career because I just don't see him as a special snowflake like they do.  But I felt their son and the people shading them online were unfair to them.  Jed was also stripping as of March; someone posted a pic on instagram of him doing a bachelorette part from march.  Their son was stripping to support his career right before filming started.  I'm sure they had a hard time believing he was in love and ready to get married.  And then Hannah is standing in front of them with a big ol grin saying Jed's the only man she's told she's falling in love with and they...just...could...not...believe...it.  Jed was basically saying to his mom, "it's cool, she knows my music comes first"  But he never said to his parents or Hannah he's in no way ready to get engaged and that was the part freaking them out.  because they know he isn't, but prior to hometowns Hannah apparently had no clue he might not be ready.  I think if Jed showed up home with Hannah and said "I went on for my career but I really like Hannah and would like to continue a relationship with her after the show but not get engaged," their reaction would've been different.

[leighdear]

52 minutes ago, deSchenke said:

In arrives Jed and Hannah and they are wondering what the bleep is going on! Are we supposed to be in on the "act"?  What about Haley?  What are we supposed to say?

I honestly think they were so confused by the entire intrusion.  Does Jed have any time to talk to his family to explain - not that I have any idea what he would explain.  ? 

You have to live under a VERY big rock these days to not know anything about this franchise.  Maybe not the finer points, but I think Jed's family knew EXACTLY what this hometown date was all about.  His sister at least would have made sure they all knew the score. Plus, Production talks to the families once the lead is down to about the final 6 so they can get permission if they are included in hometowns.  The houses are staged if needed.  It all takes TIME, so these people know.   

And they all lied, lied, lied.  Enabled, covered up and threw a blanket over Jed's relationship with Haley.  I thought it was obvious they didn't want Jed with Hannah.  Who knows or cares what they DO want for him, as it's all a moot point now. 

[Mabinogia]

25 minutes ago, leighdear said:

You have to live under a VERY big rock these days to not know anything about this franchise.  Maybe not the finer points, but I think Jed's family knew EXACTLY what this hometown date was all about.  His sister at least would have made sure they all knew the score. Plus, Production talks to the families once the lead is down to about the final 6 so they can get permission if they are included in hometowns.  The houses are staged if needed.  It all takes TIME, so these people know.   

Maybe they were just disgusted that their son, who had only gone on the show to launch his *barf* well, you know what he was there for, had taken his fake relationship with the seemingly naive Hannah as far as home towns. Maybe they expected him to find a way out of the fake engagement before this and now they're ashamed (they should be) that he is stringing yet another woman along in the name of his *gag* car...*gag* nope, can't say it, that thing he thinks he can do but he really, really can't. 

[deSchenke]

If my son brought home a woman he was dating, and they went on a trip together to the Bahamas, I would think it was serious.  Then only a few weeks later he shows up with another woman with cameras all around - I'd be flummoxed.

I kept waiting for one of them to say, "But what happened to you and Haley?"

It seemed like there was this huge elephant in the room.

[XoxoGG]

Jed's dad instagram rant after his hometown was filmed is still fresh in my mind. I don't remember the whole thing but the standoff-ish ness we saw during the hometown, all I could think about was that post. He let the world know how the family really felt. Shame he deleted it but the internet is forever. I think some people have it saved on r/bachelor. 

I get it, family is supportive but the Wyatt's were acting like Jed was on some serious A list level talent. He doesn't have the charisma or voice to have a decent career. I don't get the hype.

[dirtypop90]

His dad’s IG rant was the one thing that made me doubt that Jed proposed and Hannah chose him. He made it clear publicly he thought this was all ridiculous and I thought Hannah had to sense they felt that way during Jed’s hometowns even if they didn’t outright say it. But Hannah I noticed is all about words but misses things like body language. She can’t read people well at all. She only heard the words and ignores everything else. Jed’s mom would have had to say “He’s not going to marry you” explicitly for Hannah to get it. 

[EllenB]

Oh, for Pete's sake, there's no way the families don't know they're being filmed for The Bachelor.  Besides the staging and camera set-ups, they have to do blocking for the camera for every shot - don't know if they use the real couple or stand-ins.  Plus they have to sign their lives away for legal ass-covering.  The only way a family member wouldn't know is if they woke up from a heavy coma during filming.  And Fleiss would be all over that for the weep factor. Jeb or whatever the hell his name is: "Aunt Louella's ALIVE, I tell you!  Hallelujah!  Praise the Looorrrrd!". Hannah: "I, like, thought she was, like, sleepink!  Let me, like, get in tharr ent SMAHLLL et her!"

[nutty1]

8 hours ago, XoxoGG said:

Jed's dad instagram rant after his hometown was filmed is still fresh in my mind. I don't remember the whole thing but the standoff-ish ness we saw during the hometown, all I could think about was that post. He let the world know how the family really felt. Shame he deleted it but the internet is forever. I think some people have it saved on r/bachelor. 

Here is what he said....I do not know what photo he had posted along with it.

Jed is our son - but Gina and I know very little about what's-what, who's-who, or where who's-who is hangin' with what's-what. We'll... we know maybe a trifle more - or not. Fact is, we don't know what's REAL and what isn't. Remember, this is a TV show #1ihaveneverseeninmylife

I did take a moment to edit this much circulated photo of the two. Photo Credit: You Got Me. If it's you and this ruffles your tail feathers, if you can verify it, reach out and I'll give you credit and maybe whip up a pancake for you but only maybe on the pancake.

I can also tell you this is what a good soul/good son looks like when wrapped in a nice looking suede jacket. As for the outcome of this (whatever THIS is) .... I hope these youngsters (along with every other person in the world) will find their *real* soul mate and love of their life - no matter who that may be. I hope these young hearts, your kids, their kids, and every person who ever thinks they are in love will get to know deep deep DEEP love that lasts forever and beyond.

Production TV may like this next thought or not (I don't give a rats-fanny).....Here goes... "I think it wise" for the final couple to consider time together AFTER the show is over and the cameras have ALLLLLL gone home - - - no prodding, no suggestions, no disconnection from families and friends (that you confide in - you know - like in a real world).

I believe that IF the love found between this MAJOR NETWORK PRODUCTION couple is genuine or real (found within a mere 2 Mos of very limited time together and under far from normal surroundings and circumstances - to say the least), well, I say if it's real, it will last long enough for real dates, real family visits, real hand holding, real smiles and real affection - WITHOUT the cameras and hoopla. If it's real, then, and only then should the couple dance off into the sunset to be engaged.

Edited July 12, 2019 by nutty1

[Mabinogia]

Other than the "this is what a good soul looks like" bit, I think Dad is spot on. Even if Hannah picks him and even if he did fall for her, they are young, they are in a bubble and they are not ready to get married after knowing each other a few weeks.

[waving feather]

Can't say I disagree with what his father said.

[nutty1]

This HAS TO BE  a fake out. You know...."I don't want to go into the fantasy suite with you" is what they show, but I am guessing they leave out something like "unless we talk more about our emotional connection".

BUT....the look on Tyler's face. When she dumps him at the FRC, it is going to be so sad.  😔

https://people.com/tv/bachelorette-hannah-brown-doesnt-want-fantasy-suite-tyler-cameron/?utm_campaign=peoplemagazine&xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&__twitter_impression=true

[dirtypop90]

^ More evidence that she was sold on Jed. I think she doesn't want to jeopardize her relationship with Jed.  Putting walls up with a guy she is strongly sexually attracted to for her sake and Jed's. 

The producers have tried to paint her as this super sexual person who bones in windmills on national tv, but I don't buy it.

I think she only has sex with Jed.  She told him WEEKS AGO she felt guilty about her relationships with other men.  She's not going to go and then bone tyler or peter.  If Jed isn't windmill guy, that's something she just said to piss of Luke or she did it with an ex.

It's really sad...Jed had a gf back home waiting for him and she was so concerned about his feelings and respecting their relationship.

Edited July 12, 2019 by dirtypop90

[nutty1]

1 minute ago, dirtypop90 said:

^ More evidence that she was sold on Jed. I think she doesn't want to jeopardize her relationship with Jed.  Putting walls up with a guy she is strongly sexually attracted to for her sake and Jed's. 

The producers have tried to paint her as this super sexual person who bones in windmills on national tv, but I don't buy it.

I think she only has sex with Jed.  She told him WEEKS AGO she felt guilty about her relationships with other men.  She's not going to go and then bone tyler or peter.  If Jed isn't windmill guy, that's something she just said to piss of Luke or she did it with an ex.

It's really sad...Jed had a gf back home waiting for him and she was so concerned about his feelings and respecting their relationship.

I do think she did go into the fantasy suite with Peter and Tyler too. Sex with more than one? I definitely would not rule it out.

[dirtypop90]

1 minute ago, nutty1 said:

I do think she did go into the fantasy suite with Peter and Tyler too. Sex with more than one? I definitely would not rule it out.

I'm sure she took them...to talk.  I just think she's been sold on Jed for weeks and has shown clear concern for his feelings about all of this.  So I don't think she will sleep with Tyler for that reason.  Doesn't want to make her head foggy and doesn't want Jed to feel insecure about it.   Frankly, I think she's been out on Peter since hometowns.  She was NOT into him during his hometown.  Unfortunately, his was the last one filmed and she realized she liked the other remaining men much more.  So I don't think she even wants Peter; he's in the friendzone.  He's just still here for the bachelor.  JMO.  Peter doesn't pose a threat to her relationship with Jed like Tyler does.

[leighdear]

Thanks, Captain Obvious.  Or rather, Jed's Dad.  

Does he seriously think he's the first parent to ever say any of that about their kid, and them being on this show? 

What a pompous and posturing windbag.  

The whole family is still a bunch of liars.  Nothing any of them say can change that. 

1 hour ago, nutty1 said:

I do think she did go into the fantasy suite with Peter and Tyler too. Sex with more than one? I definitely would not rule it out.

I think she banged their brains out.  

[dirtypop90]

Interesting, after the clip dropped re Tyler, she posted a pic from her fantasy date with Tyler.  The location she added is where she had her fantasy date with Tyler.  She's certainly sending signals she's into him now.  I still think he should move on.  

Also there's been zero clips of Peter and Hannah together at night, not even having dinner, in any preview.  Not sure he even got an invite to the FS.  Didn't Andi send Chris Soules home before they actually went to the room?  He also later became the bachelor.

I think there is zero attraction from Hannah to Peter, and the edit is trying to sell something that was never there.  JMO

Edited July 12, 2019 by dirtypop90

[truthaboutluv]

16 minutes ago, leighdear said:

Thanks, Captain Obvious.  Or rather, Jed's Dad.  

Does he seriously think he's the first parent to ever say any of that about their kid, and them being on this show? 

What a pompous and posturing windbag.  

The whole family is still a bunch of liars.  Nothing any of them say can change that. 

This. The father may have been correct in his assessment of the show but coming from someone whose son went on there for his career, misleading the lead the whole time, with his other girlfriend at home that the family themselves knew about, it makes the rant extra hypocritical. Like whatever dude. 

17 minutes ago, leighdear said:

I think she banged their brains out.  

lmao... 

Honestly I don't even care anymore. This season is starting to feel like it's been going on for six months. Can we just get to the end already?

[XoxoGG]

Yeah I don't think she will sleep with them all just Jed. It's part of her storyline to play up the sexual stuff I believe. I remember they made it seem like Nick slept with Raven when he didn't. 

I don't get upset about many things on this show but I can't say I wouldn't feel a certain way if Tyler even entertains Hannah post show. The girl did not want you dude, don't do it. You are a model living in NYC, there are many fishes in the sea. Fishes that you are probably more compatible with.

I still think they won't get together post show and all of this is just to market these last few episodes and to play off Tyler's popularity.

[dirtypop90]

https://www.wdtvpress.com/abc/shows/the-bachelorette/videos

Additional preview clips from fantasy dates.  They ALL look like they are going to be awkward.  Peter, the future, bachelor does some acting in his ITM.  He was already being coached what to say IMO.

^ITA I expect a lot of awkwardness on Monday, actually, after seeing these new previews.

Edited July 12, 2019 by dirtypop90

[nutty1]

Dear  Lord, Tyler is so extremely handsome. I could take a season of watching him.

[Stan39]

1 hour ago, XoxoGG said:

Yeah I don't think she will sleep with them all just Jed. It's part of her storyline to play up the sexual stuff I believe. I remember they made it seem like Nick slept with Raven when he didn't. 

I don't get upset about many things on this show but I can't say I wouldn't feel a certain way if Tyler even entertains Hannah post show. The girl did not want you dude, don't do it. You are a model living in NYC, there are many fishes in the sea. Fishes that you are probably more compatible with.

I still think they won't get together post show and all of this is just to market these last few episodes and to play off Tyler's popularity.

I wonder if ABC strikes a deal with him to play along for a brief time, break up, then they’ll make him the Bachelor?

[nutty1]

4 minutes ago, Stan39 said:

I wonder if ABC strikes a deal with him to play along for a brief time, break up, then they’ll make him the Bachelor?

I think he would be received better as the heartbroken F2.

[dirtypop90]

The more we see of Peter the less chance I think Tyler or Mike have  I feel all signs are pointing to him.  We had his family crying about his past heartbreak etc last week and I just know he's going to give a full on emmy performance when Hannah drops him.  It's a huge bummer for me as I would prefer Tyler or Mike.  Hopefully I'm just being pessimistic and those other two have a shot. 

Tyler will not cry etc when Hannah dumps him.  That's not who he is and I can't see him faking it.

Edited July 12, 2019 by dirtypop90

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, nutty1 said:

Dear  Lord, Tyler is so extremely handsome. I could take a season of watching him.

I might actually make it through a whole season with him as the lead...provided Production doesn't completely screw him over the way they do every other lead. Though I could still watch, just with the sound off so I could make up my own story line. Actually, that could be fun. 

[XoxoGG]

2 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

The more we see of Peter the less chance I think Tyler or Mike have  I feel all signs are pointing to him.  We had his family crying about his past heartbreak etc last week and I just know he's going to give a full on emmy performance when Hannah drops him.  It's a huge bummer for me as I would prefer Tyler or Mike.  Hopefully I'm just being pessimistic and those other two have a shot. 

Tyler will not cry etc when Hannah dumps him.  That's not who he is and I can't see him faking it.

Right and a lot of people forget Peter is an actor too. 

Unless the fans really rally around Tyler and Mike like they did for Jojo over Caila at the end of this, I for see a bland Peter getting lead. *sigh*

[Bobcatkitten]

How could they pass on Tyler? It's been a while since the bachelor was ridiculously hot.

[nutty1]

9 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

How could they pass on Tyler? It's been a while since the bachelor was ridiculously hot.

I think he would surpass all the others.....

[dom16]

My god. If they pick the 18 year old looking Ben/Colton hybrid for Bachelor over Tyler or Mike, I will riot. You have two good options this year, ABC! Don't go for the blandest dude there!

[bluestocking]

38 minutes ago, dom16 said:

My god. If they pick the 18 year old looking Ben/Colton hybrid for Bachelor over Tyler or Mike, I will riot. You have two good options this year, ABC! Don't g.o for the blandest dude there!

.The Men Tell All episode was taped on Friday, and reports have leaked out on Reality Steve and the other spoiler sites.  Seems like everyone likes Mike.  Peter, Tyler, and Jed weren't there though, so who knows?

A bit of the next episode was shown--is it OK to summarize here?  As we've all seen Hannah eliminated Luke during their date, but he sticks around and shows up anyway at the F3 Rose Ceremony--lines up with the other guys and everything.  That's all on production--just put him in a plane!  Don't drive him to the RC  Report is that Hannah asks him to leave, but he doesn't, so the other 3 guys have to help.

[truthaboutluv]

27 minutes ago, bluestocking said:

but he sticks around and shows up anyway at the F3 Rose Ceremony--lines up with the other guys and everything.  That's all on production--just put him in a plane!  Don't drive him to the RC  Report is that Hannah asks him to leave, but he doesn't, so the other 3 guys have to help.

Okay, I hate myself for this because I know it's playing right into what the producers want but I admit I'm excited as hell to see this madness. And you know what, it's partly Hannah's fault for keeping him around the first time she tried to get rid of him. Lordy bring on the drama. I guess that's also why he's not at the MTA. Saving those confrontations for the ATFR. But that'll be a lot, even for two nights.

Because they'll have to get through Peter's elimination and I'm sure he and Hannah will have some time together on the AFTR, then there's Tyler's elimination and that time with Hannah and then the Jed saga, which we know will be played up for maximum effect and then we're now adding the Luke drama too. Wow, packed ATFR. 

[bluestocking]

@truthaboutluv  I should have clarified.  Luke IS at the MTA.  Lots of criticism from the other guys.  Hannah even apologizes for keeping him around.  (Again, I didn't see this myself--just reporting from RS, reddit, etc.)

[truthaboutluv]

2 minutes ago, bluestocking said:

@truthaboutluv  I should have clarified.  Luke IS at the MTA.  Lots of criticism from the other guys.  Hannah even apologizes for keeping him around.  (Again, I didn't see this myself--just reporting from RS, reddit, etc.)

Okay, thanks. Looking forward to that showdown with the other guys.

Btw, if this all plays out as being reported and I guess since they showed part of the episode it must be true, this is something else RS was wrong about because didn't he say viewers wouldn't even see Luke?

That in other words, the whole promo of Chris Harrison telling Hannah someone was back with a ring was all show and nothing really happened? I keep saying it but more and more I would not be surprised if RS is way off about the end of this season and Hannah really picked no one. 

And apparently some of the Bachelor Nation regulars like Ben and Ashley have being going on about how crazy the end of the season is but insisting they aren't spoiled. Sure they're not. 

[dom16]

Ha. RS is claiming that Pilot Pete is the guy Hannah bangs twice in a windmill. And then he's next eliminated, so she definitely got it on with the other two as well. Who would have thought the southern Christian pageant queen would be a hornier Bachelorette than Kaitlyn? No shade. Enjoy it while you're technically still single Han!

Edited July 13, 2019 by dom16

[dirtypop90]

I think RS spoke to fast. He said it was Jed last week.  I have a friend that went to the MTA. She said the FD previews are sliced and diced all weird and quickly and you can’t tell for certain what happened, except the Luke fight. She did not know who windmill guy was but suspected Tyler or Jed.  She said there were just shots of windmills and a condom.  

I’m still not convinced there is a windmill guy.

She also said the “and twice” is spliced in there—Hannah doesn’t say she had sex in a windmill twice.

I’m with you guys that think RS is waaaay off about the end of this season and relying on bad second hand information.  He will be doing a lot of backtracking the last two episodes.  IMO

Edited July 13, 2019 by dirtypop90

[truthaboutluv]

1 hour ago, dom16 said:

Ha. RS is claiming that Pilot Pete is the guy Hannah bangs twice in a windmill.

That's hilarious. Go Pilot Pete. And some were saying she was "so over" him. Apparently not enough to bang him twice. Yup, leighdear, I think you called it right when you said she banged them both - Peter and Tyler and we know she slept with Jed. 

1 hour ago, dom16 said:

Who would have thought the southern Christian pageant queen would be a hornier Bachelorette than Kaitlyn? No shade

lol, I know right? Like I said, for all the slut shaming Kaitlyn got, Kaitlyn was really just all about Nick and Shawn and kept going back and forth between them. We know those were the only two guys from her season she slept with.

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She also said the “and twice” is spliced in there—Hannah doesn’t say she had sex in a windmill twice.

Well in fairness, if I remember the promo correctly, isn't the actual line, "and then we did it again"? So she doesn't say she fucked someone twice in the windmill. She says, "yes I fucked in the windmill and then we did it a second time" or something to that effect.

Edited July 13, 2019 by truthaboutluv

[dirtypop90]

2 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

Well in fairness, if I remember the promo correctly, isn't the actual line, "and then we did it again"? So she doesn't say she fucked someone twice in the windmill. She says, "yes I fucked in the windmill and then we did it a second time" or something to that effect.

That’s what I’m referring to.  The and we did it again.  The second part of her statement after windmill, and then showing Luke’s face.   She said it’s a voice over and doesn’t look like it’s actually from that scene.  And there were a lot of voice overs and splicing and dicing, which I understand.  They didn’t want to give away anything at the MTA except the Luke drama.  They want everyone to know she dumped Luke.

[deSchenke]

The scene with Luke at the limo, Hannah said something like, "you probably won't be happy I fucked in a windmill"

Next shot was of her in an ITM saying, "Yes, I fucked in a windmill, (no longer seeing her face, but Lukes) and we did it a second time."

So it's unclear if she said, "and we (I?) did it a second time" while at the ITM or if it was spliced in from somewhere else.

Edited July 13, 2019 by deSchenke

[dirtypop90]

^Thanks for explaining better.  That’s what my friend told me.

More, according to my friend, she thinks Mike was the star of MTA so he is in consideration for the bachelor.

She thinks Monday’s ep will be all about Luke and Peter’s heartbreak, with Jed and Tyler getting little airtime.  She said she thinks there was a windmill spliced in between Peter and Hannah’s date (but things were moving fast) but there is no shot of Hannah in a windmill with any one or her saying who she slept with in a windmill.

My guess is next episode will focus on tearing down the villain and setting up the next bachelor and pretty much ignore her relationships with the top 2.  We will not see Hannah in a windmill with any one.  They will show a lot of windmills hinting at it with the guys, Peter for certain.  This will end with Hannah sending Peter home, after viewers think she screwed him twice in a windmill(whether true or not). He will give his Emmy heartbreaking performance.  Viewers will hate Hannah and love Peter and have their pitchforks out.  My boys Mike and Tyler have no shot at the bachelor.

Yes I’m biased against Peter because I don’t want him as the bachelor and see what production is doing to put it on a platter for him. 😕

Edited July 13, 2019 by dirtypop90

[dom16]

35 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

lol, I know right? Like I said, for all the slut shaming Kaitlyn got, Kaitlyn was really just all about Nick and Shawn and kept going back and forth between them. We know those were the only two guys from her season she slept with.

It's even funnier when you realise she would've made it 4/4 if Luke wasn't such a monumental tool. And this was the girl who had only kissed 5 guys before going on the Bachelor! Hilarious.

[truthaboutluv]

38 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

 Viewers will hate Hannah and love Peter and have their pitchforks out.  My boys Mike and Tyler have no shot at the bachelor.

Except Tyler's elimination would still not have happened yet and viewers get to see him on the ATFR. For the record, I'm not even sure I think Tyler even wants to be The Bachelor but I'm not ready to already declare no one but Peter has a shot no matter how perfect his exit is. People have literally filmed intro packages as the next lead and the producers change their mind. See Luke Pell and Caila. 

[dirtypop90]

1 minute ago, truthaboutluv said:

Except Tyler's elimination would still not have happened yet and viewers get to see him on the ATFR. For the record, I'm not even sure I think Tyler even wants to be The Bachelor but I'm not ready to already declare no one but Peter has a shot no matter how perfect his exit is. People have literally filmed intro packages as the next lead and the producers change their mind. See Luke Pell and Caila. 

Yes; viewers will get to see Tyler’s edited down dumping, which will probably be short and sweet.  He will wish Hannah well.  They like a heartbroken Bachelor.  Tyler is not going to act a fool like Peter will, at the producers’ direction.  Tyler hasn’t receive a great edit ALL season, and I don’t see that changing.  he’s going to get limited time next episode, which will focus on the two villains and next bachelor. When he’s dumped, he’s not going to get the Emmy-worthy exit Peter.  They’ve already edited this season to make it seem that Hannah just think he’s hot; there’s nothing more to him or their relationship.  Peter is the one who has it all, according to the edit (I don’t buy it)

  I know I’ve been super negative about Tyler’s edit vs Peter’s and Jed’s (in the beginning before the People article dropped) all season. But  I just feel like I smell what’s coming with this Peter ordeal on Monday.  The final episode with Jed vs. Tyler will focus on Jed’s shadiness and guitar singing to cue up their breakup and viewers will see little of substance re Tyler so they will not feel bad for Tyler when he is dumped.  

I expect Tyler to get the least airtime of the remaining men because producers IMO have no use for him.  Maybe I’m just prepping myself for the worst. But it’s hard to ignore how producer-driven this all is.  Tyler might not even get a lot of time at MTA with Peter and Jed there.

All JMO and I sincerely hope I’m wrong about production’s plans.

[truthaboutluv]

Honestly I don't care that much. If they go with someone I'm not interested in, I'll just do what I've done with the many seasons I barely watched. And like I said, following Tyler's social media, I just don't get the sense that he's that hung up on being the next Bachelor.

Not saying he wouldn't do it but I just don't get that desperation vibe that I've gotten from some other past or potential leads. All I'm saying is that all the great edit in the world hasn't always guaranteed someone becomes the lead because the producers have changed their minds, sometimes even at the last minute, on who the next lead will be.

Edited July 13, 2019 by truthaboutluv

[dirtypop90]

Tyler’s not desperate to be lead, but I AM DESPERATE FOR HIM TO BE LEAD! Lol

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More spoilers from someone else who attended, dropped on another spoiler board:

Hannah seemed pretty defensive when it was made to seem like fantasy suites = sex. So I'm not sure if she actually slept with all 3. When Hannah was trying to get Luke to leave the rose ceremony, and she brought up if she slept with anyone on the fantasy suites that Luke would leave, the edit cut to Tyler. My friend who was with me thought that meant she slept with Tyler at least. I remember Jed and Hannah looked like they were naked in bed the morning after.

Another thing. Luke claims that Hannah told him and his church group that sex in the fantasy suite wasn't gonna happen so that's what made him bring up that topic of conversation with her during the date. Chris then asks Hannah about that and if that's true and she says it's not. Who knows who is telling the truth.

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I find the Luke part VERY interesting. I could not believe Hannah didn’t talk about FS prior to FS. It was clear their faith was a part of their connection. Made zero sense they wouldn’t discuss sex prior to his date.

Also, I never bought Hannah as super sexual and am not surprised she is uncomfortable with her edit and the promotions of her fantasy suite dates.

[truthaboutluv]

Just read some of the MTA spoilers and why does John Paul Jones get a hot seat interview with Chris Harrison. Dude was basically just a warm body during the season until his inevitable elimination. Was that an error and the person meant Garrett because Garrett would make more sense than JPJ.

[dirtypop90]

From a user on reddit:

Yes. Hannah was on the couch w Chris and Luke was sitting with all the guys. She was pissed because he kept focusing on sex and she said something along the lines of how fantastic suites do not equal or require sex and that Luke needs to stop joining the two together. She went on to say that she hates that she has to even address her sex life, but that’s she is truthful and that the windmill guy was Tyler.

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this is going to be a wild ride. I’m going to ask my friend about this but she didn’t mention this to me and swears there’s no indication of who windmill guy is.

Just now, truthaboutluv said:

Just read some of the MTA spoilers and why does John Paul Jones get a hot seat interview with Chris Harrison. Dude was basically just a warm body during the season until his inevitable elimination. Was that an error and the person meant Garrett because Garrett would make more sense than JPJ.

I’m not surprised. Viewers like JPJ more and JPJ gets his heart broken on paradise by Tayshia, according to spoilers. 

[thehepburn]

1 hour ago, dirtypop90 said:

From a user on reddit:

Yes. Hannah was on the couch w Chris and Luke was sitting with all the guys. She was pissed because he kept focusing on sex and she said something along the lines of how fantastic suites do not equal or require sex and that Luke needs to stop joining the two together. She went on to say that she hates that she has to even address her sex life, but that’s she is truthful and that the windmill guy was Tyler.

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this is going to be a wild ride. I’m going to ask my friend about this but she didn’t mention this to me and swears there’s no indication of who windmill guy is.

That reddit user is a new burner account. I agree with those who say they are trolling. EVERYBODY is looking out for who Windmill Guy is so more people would have mentioned it IF that was what Hannah really said.

[dirtypop90]

^I agree. I asked my friend again and she said the ONLY things she cared about knowing was windmill guy and whether Jed come up.

she said she zoned out for a lot; Said there was just too much Luke and them talking in circles.  But she is certain there was no indication of windmill guy to her and her friends disappointment, who went with her.  She said the promos were confusing enough for people to walk away with different theories. But nothing real. No names were said and no footage of her in a windmill. 

Edited July 13, 2019 by dirtypop90