Felicity Smoak: Bitch With Wifi

[Mellowyellow]

2 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

If I remember, she said for Felicity, she'd choose Oliver, but that personally she'd have picked Ray.  (or words to that effect)

Sensible girl!!!! 

[Sunshine]

20 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

Sensible girl!!!! 

It was kind of funny though.  A certain part of the fandom were upset by that remark when she made it at  a con.

Edited April 19, 2017 by Sunshine
A con not Avon.

[Guest]

I wasn't upset by that remark, although I'm sure some were. I definitely side-eyed her though because Ray was not good, IMO. Sorry!

[tv echo]

From a new media review of this movie (now out on dvd/blu-ray)...

REVIEW: xXx: The Return of Xander Cage
Robert Greenberger  May 15, 2017
http://www.comicmix.com/2017/05/15/review-xxx-the-return-of-xander-cage/

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There are the Schwarzenegger-like quips, notably “I love this shit” as Cage reaches the film’s climax. But beyond that, the dialogue is flat and unrevealing about the characters which wastes some good actors, especially Collette. Joining the team as their geeky tech expert is Felicity Smoak, I mean, Rebecca “Becky” Clearidge (Nina Dobrev), who at least gets some good moments. Jackson appears early on and is on the joke that Gibbons and Nick Fury are almost identical (which gives the film its best inside joke in the opening scenes).

Edited May 16, 2017 by tv echo

[bijoux]

At least they have manners.

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While not included in the gifset, I do think Ra's called her Ms. Smoak as well.

[Guest]

They respect her so much before and after wanting to kill her. Wow.

NGL, I kinda need a future scene where a villain calls her Ms Smoak and she corrects them and says "It's Mrs Queen now." Not that I've thought about it or anything, you know. *Hides*

Edited May 29, 2017 by Guest

[BkWurm1]

2 hours ago, Angel12d said:

They respect her so much before and after wanting to kill her. Wow.

NGL, I kinda need a future scene where a villain calls her Ms Smoak and she corrects them and says "It's Mrs Queen now." Not that I've thought about it or anything, you know. *Hides*

Or maybe she'll hyphenate and become Smoak-Queen.  Sounds like the mysterious woman that lives in some mystical mountains.  

[Guest]

14 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

Or maybe she'll hyphenate and become Smoak-Queen.  Sounds like the mysterious woman that lives in some mystical mountains.  

Maybe! I kinda like Mrs Queen though. IDK why! Maybe because Felicity Smoak-Queen sounds like a lot to say, LOL.

[johntfs]

Smoak-Queen sounds more like a goofy hacker handle than Ghost-Fox-Goddess.

[BkWurm1]

15 hours ago, johntfs said:

Smoak-Queen sounds more like a goofy hacker handle than Ghost-Fox-Goddess.

Also a far worse code name if one is trying to conceal their identity.  ;)

[SmallScreenDiva]

Felicity might have to take Oliver's name if Smoak Technologies eventually turns into the Queen Inc. of the future ;) Because I sincerely doubt Oliver is going back to the business world.

[Mellowyellow]

I think I'm in the minority but I am watching bits of S2 and I don't like Felicity's long hair! It's too long!

I prefer S4 hair left loose or even EBR's crazy natural hair. I wonder if they'd ever stop straightening it and just let EBR keep her crazy hair with the glasses! I like the crazy hair! 

[BkWurm1]

Her natural hair is just a bit too wild for me.  I have flashbacks to the bad perms and poof of the 80's.  Now if she grew out her hair longer and THEN wore it natural, I think I'd like it since the extra weight would tame some of the poof.  Or if growing it out is never meant to be (though it is longer going into this hiatus than last year) instead of using a straightening iron, just something to help with the frizz look, like a smoothing serum.  

[Mellowyellow]

Weird question but what kind of mum do you think Felicity would be?

With all this discussion of Olicitots and the Ray/Lily (can we call them Rily) tots I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts!

Do you think she'll be intense Tiger mum? Or chilled? Or super organised? Stress head mum?

Her comment in 5A about how she had a dog and the trainer told her something or other (I am sure I didn't imagine this, although my memory of 5A is hazy at best) makes me think she'll try to be pretty textbook at least and will be super organised!  

She doesn't strike me as the pining for kids type though so I'm not sure how we'll get to the point of Olicitots.

[Guest]

I always viewed Felicity as someone who didn't ever really think about having kids tbh. Not that she didn't want them at all, just that she'd probably only think about it once she's been in a committed relationship for a long time?

In 401 when their Ivy Town neighbors bought up the topic of kids, there was this awkward "We haven't talked about that yet" vibe and Felicity seemed kind of panicked about it, like it was too soon. But then later in the season when Donna told her Oliver would make a great dad she smiled about it, almost in a "scared about the prospect but happy too" kind of way. So...I think she wants kids with Oliver but I can't see it being something that will happen anytime soon.

Maybe William possibly being on the show more often in s6 will lead to a kids discussion? It's definitely something they should talk about before getting married, IMO.

As for what kind of mom Felicity will be? No idea. I don't really want Olicitots on the show until the final season (though I would eventually like to see a scene where Oliver holds his newborn baby just for reasons, hehe) so it's hard for me to headcanon what kind of parents they'd be. Maybe she'll be more like her own mom than she realizes or wants to be. Haha.

[bijoux]

What dog and dog trainer in 5A? It really doesn't ring a bell.

[way2interested]

8 minutes ago, bijoux said:

What dog and dog trainer in 5A? It really doesn't ring a bell.

Edited June 12, 2017 by way2interested

[bijoux]

That's weird. When exactly in her life was Felicity supposed to have had a dog and money for a trainer? There was Donna struggling for basics, then MIT and from what we know of her, a dog doesn't seem likely even when she came to Starling. I'm with Oliver here. Felicity (a.k.a. the writers) is pushing the dog metaphor too far.

[Mellowyellow]

She lived in what looked like a townhouse and had a stable job with QC before she had anything to do with Oliver so I'd say it was during that time.

[statsgirl]

She couldn't have had the dog for very long.  In the s2 flashback, she was still at MIT but was at QC for the s3 flashback, class of '09.   So she would have joined at most 3 years before the show opened when there was no mention of a dog.  I hope Lucky went to a good home.

Susan Williams says one sentence in that clip and Felicity responds "I don't like her already.'" That's my girl, gut instinct FTW.

[BkWurm1]

Given that the trainer specifically said she should swat herself, the implication of course is that she was the main owner but she could have had the dog in Vegas while growing up.  She called it adorable so I'm thinking a small, apartment friendly dog and not every place charges a huge amount extra for pets (my niece moved into a place that lets her have two for just an extra 20 bucks a month).  Or Donna could have charmed the landlord and got him to look the other way.  She was always working so I could see Donna wanting Felicity to have company when she was old enough to stay at home on her own.  Plus even a small dog barking is a deterrent to burglars.  As for the trainer, note that she said "A trainer said", not that HER trainer said.  Could have been a random chat online for free.    

Or she could have had a dog when she first moved to Starling City, which since she'd have been all alone in a new place makes sense, went to a trainer about the dog peeing everywhere and realized her lifestyle (we know she was at least sometimes at the office really late- I bet more often than not)  was probably WHY the dog peed everywhere and so found someone that could give it the proper care and attention needed so the dog didn't continue the bad habits.

Either way could make sense but I actually lean toward it being while in Vegas. The dog's name was Lucky after all.  Donna probably got it as a tip, lol.  

[bijoux]

Seen on the latest episode of Veep. That's a popular dress this year.

 

[tv echo]

FYI, you will get to see more of Nina Dobrev's portrayal of Felicity Smoak Becky Clearidge in another planned Xander Cage movie...

‘XXX: RETURN OF XANDER CAGE’ DIRECTOR CONFIRMS NINA DOBREV, DEEPIKA PADUKONE SET FOR FOURTH INSTALLMENT
Johnni Macke  · June 13, 2017
http://blog.peopleschoice.com/2017/06/13/xxx-return-of-xander-cage-director-confirms-nina-dobrev-deepika-padukone-and-more-are-set-for-fourth-installment/

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On Sunday (June 11), D.J. Caruso, the director of the 2017 film, took to Twitter to tease that the next installment of the xXx trilogy — which stars Vin Diesel in the title role — will feature Nina Dobrev, Deepika Padukone and more Xander Cage alums.

Here's Vin Diesel talking in January about Nina Dobrev auditioning for the Becky role...

xXx 3: Return of Xander Cage | full press conference (2017)
Published on Jan 21, 2017, by moviemaniacsDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZUW6-ESTA

-- VDiesel: "Nina Dobrev comes in and she wanted to audition for a role that was not written for her type. It's a real comedic role. And you see Nina and you see her beauty and you go, 'How is she going to be so funny?' And then she comes in and grabs a hold of that role, and you can't stop laughing when you see her come on screen. She just has that presence." NDobrev interrupted: "Victoria Justice wasn't available. Yeah, that's the real story." Interviewer then asked Nina that, if the role wasn't written for her type or for her, how did she read it on the page and how did she bring it to life. NDobrev replied: "I mean, I guess - most people don't know this, but I am pretty dorky and clumsy, and I talk too much and I ramble - kind of like I am now - and just - there is a lot of Becky in me. It's just that the world hasn't seen it yet. And they gave me the opportunity to showcase that. I walked in. The glasses were my idea. The 'kumquat' [safe word]  line, unfortunately, I can't take credit for... And so, yeah, that's - that's kind of - I just threw it in the room and did my thing. It was my take. I - I did my best, and I guess I did something right because I'm standing on the stage right now."

I previously posted links in this thread to two reviews which compared Xander Cage's Becky character to Arrow's Felicity. Here are some more (including the two previously posted ones)...

-- Melty (Apr. 8, 2016): "Nina Dobrev lends her traits to Becky in the film, a funny and sarcastic geek who will have an important role in the plot. She will be a little Felicity Smoak (Arrow) by Xander Cage and in the picture above shared by Vin Diesel, the young woman makes sure that the hero of the film is at ease in his clothes and ready to face the 'enemy.'"

-- Melty (Jun. 2, 2016): "Contrary to what this picture [of Nina Dobrev and Vin Diesel] might suggest, these two are not together whether it is in real life or even on screen. Yes, in XxX 3, Nina Dobrev lends her traits to Becky, a young woman with a lot of computer skills who is part of the Xander Cage team, much like Felicity Smoak in Arrow!"

-- Bollywood Life (Jan. 13, 2017): "Nina Dobrev’s geeky tech genius is so Felicity Smoak from Arrow. Hollywood may call it ‘inspiration’ or ‘paying homage’, but we call it copying."

-- Upcomingdceu (Jan. 19, 2017): "The Return of Xander Cage has plagiarized quite a bit from CW's Arrow. The introductory scene of Nina Dobrev's character Becky is a nearly line by line plagiarism of Felicity Smoak's first scene on Arrow. As the movie progresses you begin to realize she basically is a direct copy of Felicity. Additionally another member of Vin Diesel's team is an Asian guy called 'The Hood'."

-- The Pop-Break (Jan. 23, 2017): "Then we have Becky Clearidge, played by Nina Dobrev. For the love of fried matza, this character made me want to dive in front of a BMX bike. She’s like Season One Felicity Smoak on steroids. It’s your friendly neighborhood tech gal who’s annoyingly over excited about everything.  Awful. I don’t blame the actors though. It’s not their fault. D.J. Caruso isn’t exactly the LeBron James of directing."

-- ZenyOnline (Jan. 23, 2017): "Nina Dobrev’s geeky tech genius is so Felicity Smoak from TV collection Arrow."

--  Mikkelsen's Musings (Jan. 24, 2017): "However, nothing could possibly redeem the most insufferable element of the film, namely Nina Dobrev’s tech-savvy comic relief character, Becky Clearidge; like the lovechild of Jar Jar Binks and Arrow’s Felicity Smoak, Dobrev’s character quickly outstays her welcome, and her subsequent appearances are about as much fun as a belligerent mosquito in your bedroom at 3am. Thankfully, her screen time is fairly limited, so her performance does take a backseat to all the other shenanigans."

-- The Explosion Network (May 2, 2017): "Then Marke chucks Xander [sic] one last member, Nina Dobrev as Becky who is the tech head and she is quite funny and brings a lot of the laughs to the film. Although it seemed like the writer just based her character somewhat on Felicity Smoak in Arrow."

-- ComicMix (May 15, 2017): "Joining the team as their geeky tech expert is Felicity Smoak, I mean, Rebecca “Becky” Clearidge (Nina Dobrev), who at least gets some good moments."

Edited June 19, 2017 by tv echo

[BkWurm1]

4 hours ago, tv echo said:

FYI, you will get to see more of Nina Dobrev's portrayal of Felicity Smoak Becky Clearidge in another planned Xander Cage movie...

‘XXX: RETURN OF XANDER CAGE’ DIRECTOR CONFIRMS NINA DOBREV, DEEPIKA PADUKONE SET FOR FOURTH INSTALLMENT
Johnni Macke  · June 13, 2017
http://blog.peopleschoice.com/2017/06/13/xxx-return-of-xander-cage-director-confirms-nina-dobrev-deepika-padukone-and-more-are-set-for-fourth-installment/

Here's Vin Diesel talking in January about Nina Dobrev auditioning for the Becky role...

xXx 3: Return of Xander Cage | full press conference (2017)
Published on Jan 21, 2017, by moviemaniacsDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZUW6-ESTA

-- VDiesel: "Nina Dobrev comes in and she wanted to audition for a role that was not written for her type. It's a real comedic role. And you see Nina and you see her beauty and you go, 'How is she going to be so funny?' And then she comes in and grabs a hold of that role, and you can't stop laughing when you see her come on screen. She just has that presence." NDobrev interrupted: "Victoria Justice wasn't available. Yeah, that's the real story." Interviewer then asked Nina that, if the role wasn't written for her type or for her, how did she read it on the page and how did she bring it to life. NDobrev replied: "I mean, I guess - most people don't know this, but I am pretty dorky and clumsy, and I talk too much and I ramble - kind of like I am now - and just - there is a lot of Becky in me. It's just that the world hasn't seen it yet. And they gave me the opportunity to showcase that. I walked in. The glasses were my idea. The 'kumquat' [safe word]  line, unfortunately, I can't take credit for... And so, yeah, that's - that's kind of - I just threw it in the room and did my thing. It was my take. I - I did my best, and I guess I did something right because I'm standing on the stage right now."

I previously posted links in this thread to two reviews which compared Xander Cage's Becky character to Arrow's Felicity. Here are some more (including the two previously posted ones)...

-- Melty (Apr. 8, 2016): "Nina Dobrev lends her traits to Becky in the film, a funny and sarcastic geek who will have an important role in the plot. She will be a little Felicity Smoak (Arrow) by Xander Cage and in the picture above shared by Vin Diesel, the young woman makes sure that the hero of the film is at ease in his clothes and ready to face the 'enemy.'"

-- Melty (Jun. 2, 2016): "Contrary to what this picture [of Nina Dobrev and Vin Diesel] might suggest, these two are not together whether it is in real life or even on screen. Yes, in XxX 3, Nina Dobrev lends her traits to Becky, a young woman with a lot of computer skills who is part of the Xander Cage team, much like Felicity Smoak in Arrow!"

-- Bollywood Life (Jan. 13, 2017): "Nina Dobrev’s geeky tech genius is so Felicity Smoak from Arrow. Hollywood may call it ‘inspiration’ or ‘paying homage’, but we call it copying."

-- Upcomingdceu (Jan. 19, 2017): "The Return of Xander Cage has plagiarized quite a bit from CW's Arrow. The introductory scene of Nina Dobrev's character Becky is a nearly line by line plagiarism of Felicity Smoak's first scene on Arrow. As the movie progresses you begin to realize she basically is a direct copy of Felicity. Additionally another member of Vin Diesel's team is an Asian guy called 'The Hood'."

-- The Pop-Break (Jan. 23, 2017): "Then we have Becky Clearidge, played by Nina Dobrev. For the love of fried matza, this character made me want to dive in front of a BMX bike. She’s like Season One Felicity Smoak on steroids. It’s your friendly neighborhood tech gal who’s annoyingly over excited about everything.  Awful. I don’t blame the actors though. It’s not their fault. D.J. Caruso isn’t exactly the LeBron James of directing."

-- ZenyOnline (Jan. 23, 2017): "Nina Dobrev’s geeky tech genius is so Felicity Smoak from TV collection Arrow."

--  Mikkelsen's Musings (Jan. 24, 2017): "However, nothing could possibly redeem the most insufferable element of the film, namely Nina Dobrev’s tech-savvy comic relief character, Becky Clearidge; like the lovechild of Jar Jar Binks and Arrow’s Felicity Smoak, Dobrev’s character quickly outstays her welcome, and her subsequent appearances are about as much fun as a belligerent mosquito in your bedroom at 3am. Thankfully, her screen time is fairly limited, so her performance does take a backseat to all the other shenanigans."

-- The Explosion Network (May 2, 2017): "Then Marke chucks Xander [sic] one last member, Nina Dobrev as Becky who is the tech head and she is quite funny and brings a lot of the laughs to the film. Although it seemed like the writer just based her character somewhat on Felicity Smoak in Arrow."

-- ComicMix (May 15, 2017): "Joining the team as their geeky tech expert is Felicity Smoak, I mean, Rebecca “Becky” Clearidge (Nina Dobrev), who at least gets some good moments."

The reviews are funny.  You can tell who hates Felicity by who hates "Becky"

 

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 you see Nina and you see her beauty and you go, 'How is she going to be so funny?' 

Oh, I cringed hard at this line.  Seriously?  People actually still think like this??

[Lady Calypso]

People are weird. What characters haven't been based off of other characters before? Most characters aren't original. At least it's a compliment that so many are comparing Nina Dobrev's Becky with Felicity Smoak. Some may not mean it as a compliment, but that's what I take it as. 

On 6/19/2017 at 7:18 PM, BkWurm1 said:

Oh, I cringed hard at this line.  Seriously?  People actually still think like this??

God, double standards with women just continue. I've been a fan of Nina for many years, before TVD even, and she's quite hilarious. I highly doubt anyone looks at someone like Ian Somerhalder and think "how is he going to be funny?" 

Good think I've never been a fan of Vin Diesel so I just roll my eyes at his comment. #TheRockIsBetter

But we definitely need more women like Felicity Smoak. 

[Morrigan2575]

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FYI, you will get to see more of Nina Dobrev's portrayal of Felicity Smoak Becky Clearidge in another planned Xander Cage movie...

Given the subpar box office (even with the Foreign salvation aspect) I'm surprised they actually greenlit another movie so soon.  Although, after reading that article they might not have actually given it a green light just yet.

[tv echo]

Music fan's comment on MG's musical description of Felicity (although I believe MG said "major chords," not "major chord")...

"She’s the major chord in the otherwise minor key symphony"
Austencello  June 22, 2017
https://austencello.tumblr.com/post/162143521909/shes-the-major-chord-in-the-otherwise-minor-key

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- Marc Guggenheim describing Felicity Smoak on EW’s Superhero Insider
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That is beautiful. The beauty and sound imagery that creates makes me very happy! I’m flying to HVFF Portland (I can’t believe I’m doing this!) so I don’t have all my notes with me. But I believe that Blake Neely’s choice of instruments - harp and water-glasses as well as the fun strings in many of her scenes in Season 2-4 would support that. It brings a light and sparkle that was not there previously. 
And not to get too technical but every minor scale and piece has a major dominant chord (V) which has the power to lead to the beginning or go in a completely different direction (often major). It is a necessary as the 1st (tonic) but sometimes more interesting through contrast. I need to stop before I analyze every character of Team Arrow into their functions in a music theory scale.

Edited June 24, 2017 by tv echo

[Morrigan2575]

I had to Google Major Chord and still don't know what it means. ?

[lemotomato]

I believe minor chords are often used in music to convey sadness/tension/darkness and major chords are used in happy, joyful music.

Here's a good explanation, with examples: http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/the-science-of-music-why-do-songs-in-a-minor-key-sound-sad-760215

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In the western musical tradition major music is played at times of celebration (Mendelssohn’s ‘Wedding March’ or ‘Happy Birthday’), jubilation (Brian May’s ‘National Anthem’ on top of Buckingham Palace) and general fun times (‘Celebration’ by Kool And The Gang) whereas minor music is used to mark mourning (Chopin’s ‘Funeral March’), heartache (‘Back To Black’ by Amy Winehouse) and despair (‘Hurt’ by Johnny Cash or ‘Gloomy Sunday’ by Billie Holiday).

Edited June 23, 2017 by lemotomato

[Morrigan2575]

Thanks! When I Googled it, the reply was something about 3 cords put together. I don't play an instrument and know very little about music. It went over my head.

[lemotomato]

Honestly, that's pretty much all I know about music composition, haha. 

[Guest]

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"She’s the major chord in the otherwise minor key symphony"

That's actually a really lovely description for Felicity. Didn't know MG had it in him. Haha.

[Morrigan2575]

Just now, Angel12d said:

That's actually a really lovely description for Felicity. Didn't know MG had it in him. Haha.

Agreed that was a very lovely description.

[statsgirl]

2 hours ago, Angel12d said:

Didn't know MG had it in him. Haha.

Yes.  Maybe he knows more about Billy Joel's music than just the titles.

It is a lovely description.  I was getting tired of Felicity being compared to light. 

I think of songs in minor keys as being more melancholy but sometimes more complex. This is an interesting thought:  

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While you might switch lyrics around, modify melodies, and change chord progressions, the fact that a song is major or minor is not something that songwriters experiment much with. Hotel California, for example, is in a minor key, and it’s hard to imagine that the writers (Felder, Henley and Frey) would have seriously tried it out in major.

But trying part of your song in minor, and then part in major, is something that’s worth experimenting with.. There are reasons you might want to do this, but the best one is that minor verses work really well when contrasted with major choruses. It’s not unusual for songs to move from minor to major. That’s because there is a psychological brightening that comes from that kind of modulation. For an example of this effect, check out Jordin Sparks’ “Battlefield“.

MG is almost poetic.

[Guest]

I'm not sure what thread to put this in because it's about the video game and not Felicity on the show but look:

Felicity seems to have invented most of Oliver's gear. I wish they'd do that on the show! I know she gave him a new bow at the start of s2 but things like this will probably come from Curtis now. Not that I'm bitter or anything! LMAO.

[way2interested]

Curtis can take that "balanced Archer's hat," though while Felicity makes/designs the armor and the bows and whatnot.

[Guest]

Haha, I ignored the Archer's hat just like I ignore his gross goatee! But I'd love it if she created everything else.

[lemotomato]

What I like the most about the Felicity mention is that they didn't have to include her, but did it anyway. One of the developers must be a fan of hers :)

[tv echo]

I posted this in the Mind Your Surroundings thread, but it bears reposting here - here's the new character poster for "Louise" (played by Ellen Woglom) from Marvel's Inhumans. ScreenRant noted that she "certainly seems to give off a ‘Felicity Smoak from Arrow’ vibe" (I've added this to the Felicity Smoak Legacy section in my personal Arrow archives)...

Edited August 8, 2017 by tv echo

[BkWurm1]

Brought over from the Awards category discussion about why people don't like Felicity.

4 hours ago, LeighAn said:

Misogyny and also basic jealousy. She replaced Katie Cassidy as female lead, while Katie became more and more irrelevant to the show (and even coming back as Black Siren she's still pretty much irrelevant, there's been 3 episodes filmed of season 6 so far and Katie has only filmed like 2-3 days total- which probably equates to maybe 2 or 3 scenes). Olicity made GA/BC irrelevant. Both Emily Felicity and Olicity has exclipised Black Canary GA/BC Katie Cassidy Green Arrow Comics in popularity buzz and attention. 

It really does come down to shipping for a number of people even when they don't label it shipping.  This was a post on that other site just from yesterday and I appreciated how they laid out where and why their good opinion of Felicity stopped.   

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With Arrow, I actually LOVED Felicity in season 1 and most of season 2. It was only later in season 2 when they first started showing hints of the hacker falling for her hero boss that I first grew concerned. Before then she was great.   She was awesome as a tech expert and great with the comic relief with her babbling when needed. But then someone thought it'd be a good idea for HER to be Oliver's end game instead of Laurel, and it essentially destroyed her character.

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I'ver heard this so many times.  "I loved her in season 1 and 2 but then..."  I really don't think there is any coincidence that in season three there was no more denying the direction the show was going to take.  Also, I seem to recall the complaints about her crying got exponentially greater AFTER 320  (To be fair, they had her crying a lot but every time seemed like she had a perfectly reasonable reason.)  just like complaints about how Olicity had ruined the show got soooooo much louder after it was basically confirmed that Laurel was going to die.  They hate is never in a vacuum.  It always seems to come on the heels of something negative to their ship (even when they continue to deny that they have a ship)  

[LeighAn]

15 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Brought over from the Awards category discussion about why people don't like Felicity.

It really does come down to shipping for a number of people even when they don't label it shipping.  This was a post on that other site just from yesterday and I appreciated how they laid out where and why their good opinion of Felicity stopped.   

I'ver heard this so many times.  "I loved her in season 1 and 2 but then..."  I really don't think there is any coincidence that in season three there was no more denying the direction the show was going to take.  Also, I seem to recall the complaints about her crying got exponentially greater AFTER 320  (To be fair, they had her crying a lot but every time seemed like she had a perfectly reasonable reason.)  just like complaints about how Olicity had ruined the show got soooooo much louder after it was basically confirmed that Laurel was going to die.  They hate is never in a vacuum.  It always seems to come on the heels of something negative to their ship (even when they continue to deny that they have a ship)  

Also the earliest "Felicity and friends" comments and anti Felicity articles came post Laurel Lance funeral set photos being released. 

[Featherhat]

Felicity may not be the originator of the trope but all these articles stating "a Felicity Smoak vibe" about attractive blonde geniuses with glasses shows that she's the current go to template and pop culture character.

S3 wasn't kind to Felicity in many ways but seriously  Laurel hadn't been a factor in 2 seasons by the time they got together. Oliver and *Sara* had had much more of a relationship and way better understanding of each other by that time. I get the BC thing but how is it ship teasing if lauriver barely interact whilst he's angst in over someone else? What he's going to see her buckles and beg her for another chance. The show was actually fairly clear about where they stood even if Oli city's drive off into the sunset shocked some comics fans. 

And yeah mocking "shippers" whilst writing BC/GA 4EVA! never not funny.

[BkWurm1]

According to at least some reddit users, Arrow's 100th crossover proved that Oliver's most dearest wish was still to have been married to Laurel and the only reason he wasn't with her was he didn't know she was still in love with him until right before she died.  Otherwise, he'd been just trying to move on since season two when Laurel dumped him.  

[way2interested]

7 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

According to at least some reddit users, Arrow's 100th crossover proved that Oliver's most dearest wish was still to have been married to Laurel and the only reason he wasn't with her was he didn't know she was still in love with him until right before she died.  Otherwise, he'd been just trying to move on since season two when Laurel dumped him.  

Sure, that's why their relationship and their issues were brought up later in that same season and provides the motivation of him referencing how he wants to try their relationship again for 522/523.

Wait...I may be thinking of someone else.

[lemotomato]

After the show did so well for 2 seasons not fanbaiting the L/O relationship, I have no idea why the EPs decided to dredge up the whole mess by featuring L/O in the 100th episode. It was a terrible decision that insulted Olicity fans, who understandably expected more acknowledgement of the relationship that had been established and emphasized on the show for 3 seasons, and gave L/O fans renewed hope for something that wasn't going to happen ("Laurel's coming back and will hook up with Oliver!" "BS is going to be redeemed and hook up with Oliver!")

Edited August 8, 2017 by lemotomato

[tangerine95]

I feel like they killed off Laurel so they wanted to give the L/O fans something without actually changing anything or messing with the story they were telling so they went with Oliver is brainwashed into thinking he's in a relationship with Laurel.That way they give them a few scenes before Laurel gets dumped again and the whole thing never gets mentioned again.I don't think they meant for people to read into it like that,and I don't think people did apart from those who really wanted it to mean that Oliver secretly wanted to marry Laurel all along.About sidelining olicity I think like the rest of season 5,they figured olicity fans will be happy at the end of the season so it doesn't matter if they're disappointed now.

Imo it was an incredibly dumb decision that lead to one of the weirdest 100th eps I've ever seen.Shows usually try to honor their show,Arrow tried to honor basically only the pilot and their own failed plans lol

Edited August 8, 2017 by tangerine95

[insomniadreams88]

Whenever I think about the 100th episode, I get so annoyed, not just at the L/O stuff (although that's part of it), but because Felicity and EBR deserved so much better than what they gave her. Not one real interaction with Oliver or Diggle. 

[lemotomato]

Forever bitter over the L/O stuff and sidelining of Felicity in a milestone episode that should have been a celebration/tribute to what made Arrow successful. Easily the worst episode of the season for me (and probably #1 on my  most hated episodes of Arrow overall). In retrospect I don't feel so bad anymore that their party was so shitty because it fits with the quality of the 100th episode (and season 5 in general).

I don't really want Arrow to continue after season 7, but part of me wants them to get to episode 200 just so there's a chance they can overwrite the suckiness of the 100th.

Edited August 9, 2017 by lemotomato

[tangerine95]

Yeah I'm annoyed they wasted the 100th ep on a dead relationship,guest stars that either have been killed off for seasons or were only there for one season.I do get that they were limited by the crossover but still,they just didn't even try to still keep it about arrow at least not the show I've known it to be for the past 4 years.

For Felicity specifically,even tho I loved that her and Digg were still a team in the alien hallucination and that was a good scene,the rest sucked imo.Especially the real world stuff where she was on comic relief duty with Curtis,Cisco and Rory.They had an opportunity where Digg,Thea and Oliver were gone and in huge danger and Felicity was alone with the newbies,Barry and Kara.And instead of seeing Felicity leading the team,worrying about her friends,having scenes with her established close friend Barry and for the first time with Kara,they made the main real world subplot about a random meta attacking and about how WD feels about meta humans.

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, lemotomato said:

After the show did so well for 2 seasons not fanbaiting the L/O relationship, I have no idea why the EPs decided to dredge up the whole mess by featuring L/O in the 100th episode. It was a terrible decision that insulted Olicity fans, who understandably expected more acknowledgement of the relationship that had been established and emphasized on the show for 3 seasons, and gave L/O fans renewed hope for something that wasn't going to happen ("Laurel's coming back and will hook up with Oliver!" "BS is going to be redeemed and hook up with Oliver!")

THIS.  Especially the bolded part.  Just when the ship wars were starting to die down a little.

I'd say it was pure fan-baiting of Laurivers but I think they were and are entirely clueless about the effect on viewers and think it was honouring the pilot episode.

But I think it was one of the worst characterizations of Felicity the show has ever done.  She was a ditz in the dream world, squealing for Diggle when Oliver broke into their headquarters and spinning like a music box dancer when Ray left her at the party. and bizarre in the real world when she didn't seen worried about her friends being missing and had to get Curtis and Cisco to mansplain for her.

1 hour ago, tangerine95 said:

Imo it was an incredibly dumb decision that lead to one of the weirdest 100th eps I've ever seen.Shows usually try to honor their show,Arrow tried to honor basically only the pilot and their own failed plans lol

The worst 100th episode was House where the EPs publicly stated that they weren't going to do anything special, just have a regular episode and then entirely left off the show two huge an favourites, Cameron and Chase.  But the Arrow episode was close.