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All true, but I also remember being ***freaked out *** by the fairly high death count which would be true to the times as per disease,drowning,  getting thrown off a horse, or out of a wagon/stagecoach.  The 1800’s equivalent of a car crash.  But, yes...also drama. 

Death happened all the time, barring the main characters, except of course there was Charles Jr. which was true to the book.  Oh, but then we have the whole Laura Goes Up to the Mountain drama to go along with it. Hmmm.  

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I would have loved a few episodes based on The Long Winter. It kind of had the same vibe of struggling to survive and quiet domestic moments as The pilot movie. The pilot was the best of the entire series in my opinion.

Charles could have ranted about the guy ruining the antelope hunt, and later breaking into the train and stealing food (but it's ok to steal because all his neighbors are starving so he's really a hero. Lol) And then having nice moments like the girls pooling their money to buy Christmas presents, and then having a feast in the spring. There was even a blizzard where the children had to find their way home. But I guess the book didn't enough deaths and emotional praying for Michael.

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33 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

I would have loved a few episodes based on The Long Winter. It kind of had the same vibe of struggling to survive and quiet domestic moments as The pilot movie. The pilot was the best of the entire series in my opinion.

Charles could have ranted about the guy ruining the antelope hunt, and later breaking into the train and stealing food (but it's ok to steal because all his neighbors are starving so he's really a hero. Lol) And then having nice moments like the girls pooling their money to buy Christmas presents, and then having a feast in the spring. There was even a blizzard where the children had to find their way home. But I guess the book didn't enough deaths and emotional praying for Michael.

As a big reader of so many of the LIW books, as much as I think it is an important story to be told, I don't think the Long Winter would have been great TV.  For the biggest fans, yes, but for the general public, no.  As much as I found it captivating what they dealt with in real life, and then finding out later it was even worse because they had another family living with them the whole time it was happening--I just don't know what you would show on TV.  They basically got up, had to sit huddled together all day, and twisted hay.  Even in the book for me, it was never a favorite, though I appreciated how hard that had to have been for them.  

I guess I could see one episode, but I guess that would be kind of like the blizzard episode to some degree.  

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I'd actually enjoy seeing a film depicting Laura, Almanzo and Rose's life in the later years, when she started writing.  I've read the books of around that time and Rose would make quite a character.  Has anything other than bio-docs been done about those years?

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22 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

I'd actually enjoy seeing a film depicting Laura, Almanzo and Rose's life in the later years, when she started writing.  I've read the books of around that time and Rose would make quite a character.  Has anything other than bio-docs been done about those years?

I don't think so.  My only thing about that is that I read a book that went in great detail about the whole span of their lives together (I can't remember which one), and it was so much detail I almost found it boring.  And I found myself kind of annoyed with Rose quite a bit, to be honest, lol!  But that all said it would definitely show a different side to her story, and I would love to see more of their Missouri life depicted because it was pretty fascinating what they accomplished there.

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I’ve read so many non-fiction/fiction books about RL Wilder/Ingalls/Rose Lane from the last 10 years or so, that I don’t remember all the specific titles. Several of the letters exchanged re: writing process,  personal life ...that they all kind of blurred into one,lolol.   My long-term memory isn’t what it used to be,lol.   I need repeat readings. Ha. 

I have also read other message boards and we all wonder about Rose irl.  Bipolar? Very possibly. Quite the attitude, that one. (Rolls eyes). But, then again, Laura didn’t come across as tv’s Ma,  (Karen Grassley), either. Lolol

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TV Trivia:  Anyone remember when John Lennon was killed on a Monday night and LH  program was preempted (broken into) with news coverage?   I was livid! Lolol  12 year old me had not really processed that he was a Beatle. I had a sense of “Paul Mc and Wings” guy being once in the Beatles, but wasn’t really all that aware or even cared that much about John.   

Funny thing though, I can’t even remember which episode it was, that I was angry about missing! LOL. I’d have to look it up and I don’t have the energy.  This did happen on a Monday night, did it not? 

 

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6 hours ago, Wonkabar5 said:

I’ve read so many non-fiction/fiction books about RL Wilder/Ingalls/Rose Lane from the last 10 years or so, that I don’t remember all the specific titles. Several of the letters exchanged re: writing process,  personal life ...that they all kind of blurred into one,lolol.   My long-term memory isn’t what it used to be,lol.   I need repeat readings. Ha. 

I have also read other message boards and we all wonder about Rose irl.  Bipolar? Very possibly. Quite the attitude, that one. (Rolls eyes). But, then again, Laura didn’t come across as tv’s Ma,  (Karen Grassley), either. Lolol

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TV Trivia:  Anyone remember when John Lennon was killed on a Monday night and LH  program was preempted (broken into) with news coverage?   I was livid! Lolol  12 year old me had not really processed that he was a Beatle. I had a sense of “Paul Mc and Wings” guy being once in the Beatles, but wasn’t really all that aware or even cared that much about John.   

Funny thing though, I can’t even remember which episode it was, that I was angry about missing! LOL. I’d have to look it up and I don’t have the energy.  This did happen on a Monday night, did it not? 

 

To See the Light: Episode 2"

 

Adam eventually travels to Minneapolis to take the entrance examinations for law school, but late one night he is assaulted and robbed by hoodlums. Although he recovers temporarily, he then falls seriously ill, causing him to miss the final examinations. Fortunately, a friend he has made allows him to stay at his house and be attended by his doctor. When they hear, Mary and Charles travel to see Adam, and Mary, trying to make up for her previous lack of support for Adam's ambition, persuades the college professor to allow him to complete his examinations, and Adam wins a scholarship to study law.

Historical note: The west-coast feed of this episode was interrupted near its end by an NBC news bulletin which announced John Lennon had been shot.

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I've been watching the show for the first time since I was a kid (I was a 90s kid so only ever knew it as reruns).

For the most part I'm enjoying it. I'm at the beginning of season 4. I liked Laura in the beginning of the show, but I have wanted to bitch slap her so hard in the most recent episodes. Currently watching "Castoffs," and I was just absolutely appalled at how she treated both Jack and then the other dog. (I still have a residual grudge against Little Joe Pa for not letting Jack ride in the wagon across the river in the pilot episode, but that's neither here nor there.)

I was pretty irritated with her, too, last night during "Gold Country" with her penchant for trespassing on other people's property and then acting like she's the wronged one when they tell her to piss off. (She did the same thing in "Haunted House.")

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2 hours ago, Wonkabar5 said:

@Zella: talk to me when you get past the first 15- 20 min into “My Ellen.”   😱 

Freak out city, esp to a child in real time. 

Oh my. That's the next one. 👀

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@jason88- thanks for more info.  I was a kid in L.A. at the time of original broadcast. 

The funny part now is that it doesn’t even sound that great- LMAO!  “late in the night, assaulted  and robbed by hoodlums”   More Landon drama-Rama. LoL

And the fact that it didn’t even make that much of an impact on me, years later. Ha. 

 

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I'm watching "Miss Beadle nearly gets her students killed", AKA "The Blizzard" and I just can't get over how old Joey's (Joey, who we never saw before or after this episode) mother looks. That lady looks and sounds like she's in her sixties yet I'm supposed to believe she has a son the same age as Laura? I guess she could have been his grandmother or had him in her fifties, but I think the show just assumed viewers wouldn't notice how much older she was than all the other mothers and even her husband. Also, I dislike her immensely for the constantly asking about "my Joey". Listen lady, you're not the only one with a missing kid. Pipe down.

Willie is so sweet to Miss Beadle in this episode when he reassures her that things are not her fault, even though they are, LOL. And he's so gross for eating paste. 

Carrie wasn't school-aged yet, so why was she in the schoolhouse that day? 

Grace is always so calm and level-headed (like Caroline) that I laugh every time she cries out melodramatically "MY BABIES!" over the still missing Carl & Alicia.

It is a good episode and one that I like to rewatch often.

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On 12/22/2020 at 12:04 AM, Wonkabar5 said:

@Zella: talk to me when you get past the first 15- 20 min into “My Ellen.”   😱 

Freak out city, esp to a child in real time. 

To this day I enjoy the trope of "insane grieving person takes hostage a replacement." It was funny they basically remade this episode, just without the sentimentality as that time it was a man and he was evil.

Didn't they also have an episode where Rose was accidentally kidnapped by a kindly couple who thought she was abandoned? LOL. I really do wonder what zany plots Michael Landon would have cooked up for Rose if New Little House had been enough to reinvigorate interest in the show, or Michael Landon had lived because y'all KNOW he would have tried bringing this show back.

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It wasn’t just the hostage stuff, for me...**it was the drowning itself. **  Even though I knew how to swim and swam in our own built-in pool, at home, I was still freaked out by the fact that one minute she was above water, then ducked to avoid the boys’ glances.....and never came up again.   Did she get caught in something, underneath?

***It all reminded me of possibly getting caught up in kelp, or something else in the ocean in S. Ca where I lived (and I didn’t even go in that far).***

We won’t even talk about SHARKS and the Jaws phenomenon at the time, lololol. I have still Never seen any of those movies. Just the infamous poster is enough to creep me out. Lolol

Yes, I scare easily.  Sigh.

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10 hours ago, bunnyblue said:

 

Carrie wasn't school-aged yet, so why was she in the schoolhouse that day? 

I guess Carrie got permission to attend that day to make Christmas presents, but where were the little siblings of the other students?

Oh wait. I almost forgot the Ingalls are special.

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On 12/21/2020 at 11:04 PM, Wonkabar5 said:

@Zella: talk to me when you get past the first 15- 20 min into “My Ellen.”   😱 

Freak out city, esp to a child in real time. 

So, I just watched it. Damn, I don't think I've ever experienced such tonal whiplash in an episode, but the Criminal Minds-ish turn that took was pretty freaky.

As soon as they ran to tell Pa, I immediately assumed we would see a shirtless Pa diving into the water to find Ellen. So, when the shot showed a group of men all in shirts, I was relieved but then I also felt like an asshole since someone had just drowned. 

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12 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

I'm surprised Mary and Laura had to share a bed, seemed like they had enough room up there for 2 individual beds

Did they ever show the loft with the Carter boys later? I am pretty sure although I watched those shows much less, they slept together and I thought the younger one was on the other side? They stuffed much more furniture in the little house with 4 people than the Ingall's had with 6 but they didn't need the Carrie bed at the foot of theirs or Grace's invisible cradle which was put in place of Carrie's bed at times. Imagine a set where you can't show all people in bed at once. I must have blocked out how they fit James and Cassandra too. If you can build a kitchen, you can add a small room.  I think unless it was winter, I'd stay in the sod house if I was Albert. ; )

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12 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

I'm surprised Mary and Laura had to share a bed, seemed like they had enough room up there for 2 individual beds

They must have, because Laura and Albert didn't share a bed.  And, later, James, Cassandra, Albert and Carrie all slept up there.

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The Carter boys had their own beds. Because during the Rage episode (man shoots his wife and daughter, then, crazily mistaking Laura and Jenny for his wife and daughter), he takes them hostage. Before he winds up at Laura’s home, he is spotted (although I don’t know if they knew who he was) by one or both boys outside the Carter home. Jen asks Jason if he wants to sleep with him and Jason can’t scurry over from his bed fast enough. 

RL Laura and Mary shared a bed all their lives (except for when Laura was away teaching or Mary was at college) until Laura married  I’m guessing it was more about keeping warm than anything else  I still remember the part in The Long Winter where Pa had to shovel snow off their beds  

 

 

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Has anyone a fan or tried to watch Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman?  I tried a few years ago but could not get “into it.” 

I tried again recently, but failed miserably.  I read a bit of the Dr. Q thread here on this site, but there is not much to read,lolol.

Is it me?  For those who have watched the series, how does it compare to LH?  Character wise? Plot wise? Any overlap with LH tv plots? Lolol  Any nostalgia factor going on,  (other than Sully and his trademark hair, lol) or just growing up with the show?  Did you have to “be there” at the time, so to speak? 

The Laura/Almonzo factor, I think was a “be there at the time,” dynamic in real time.  I’m pretty sure my sister who is 12 years younger than me, and does not remember LH show at all, would shake her head at *that* romance. Lolol.   But also, as has been previously discussed,  watching it through adult eyes is completely different, especially if one has never seen the show before. 

When I watch the Laura/Almonzo material, it just takes me back to my memories of watching it in 5th? Grade.  🙂 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Wonkabar5 said:

Has anyone a fan or tried to watch Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman?  I tried a few years ago but could not get “into it.” 

I tried again recently, but failed miserably.  I read a bit of the Dr. Q thread here on this site, but there is not much to read,lolol.

Is it me?  For those who have watched the series, how does it compare to LH?  Character wise? Plot wise? Any overlap with LH tv plots? Lolol  Any nostalgia factor going on,  (other than Sully and his trademark hair, lol) or just growing up with the show?  Did you have to “be there” at the time, so to speak? 

The Laura/Almonzo factor, I think was a “be there at the time,” dynamic in real time.  I’m pretty sure my sister who is 12 years younger than me, and does not remember LH show at all, would shake her head at *that* romance. Lolol.   But also, as has been previously discussed,  watching it through adult eyes is completely different, especially if one has never seen the show before. 

When I watch the Laura/Almonzo material, it just takes me back to my memories of watching it in 5th? Grade.  🙂 

 

 

 

I was obsessed with Dr. Quinn when it was on. I was all of 6 and never missed an episode. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I've not watched it since, and I can't figure out exactly what the draw for me was. It probably was partially responsible (along with my fixation on the miniseries Son of the Morning Star a few years later--I wore out the VHS at the local rental store; they used to roll their eyes at me when I'd ask for it because that's the only thing I ever asked for) for my lifelong interest in the frontier, though. 

I recently rewatched Hawkeye, 90s show, and really enjoyed it, though it was super cheesy at times. I almost contemplated rewatching Dr. Quinn as a result, but I read some episode summaries, saw some screencaps, and backed away. 

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12 minutes ago, jason88cubs said:

i never saw them eat fried chicken

isnt that sort of weird? you would think fried chicken would be huge back then

 

 

 

They didn't actually have it often, at least in real life, as you had to have a certain amount of chickens available before you got to that point.  It was a rare treat to have fried chicken in the books. 

6 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

The Carter boys had their own beds. Because during the Rage episode (man shoots his wife and daughter, then, crazily mistaking Laura and Jenny for his wife and daughter), he takes them hostage. Before he winds up at Laura’s home, he is spotted (although I don’t know if they knew who he was) by one or both boys outside the Carter home. Jen asks Jason if he wants to sleep with him and Jason can’t scurry over from his bed fast enough. 

RL Laura and Mary shared a bed all their lives (except for when Laura was away teaching or Mary was at college) until Laura married  I’m guessing it was more about keeping warm than anything else  I still remember the part in The Long Winter where Pa had to shovel snow off their beds  

 

 

I always felt like they did it in the show because as you said in the books, they always shared a bed (due to space constraints and warmth as you said).  There really wouldn't have been a reason for them to have separate beds for the show if they didn't in the books, but later it makes sense when there were more kids in the house and of various genders.

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38 minutes ago, jason88cubs said:

i never saw them eat fried chicken

I recall them eating it a few times.  There was one episode where Carrie was chowing down on a corn cob that looked very much like the half cobs you could get from KFC.  I saw an interview with Melissa Gilbert and she verified that the chicken meals were indeed catered from KFC.

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4 hours ago, Wonkabar5 said:

Has anyone a fan or tried to watch Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman?  I tried a few years ago but could not get “into it.” 

I tried again recently, but failed miserably.  I read a bit of the Dr. Q thread here on this site, but there is not much to read,lolol.

Is it me?  For those who have watched the series, how does it compare to LH?  Character wise? Plot wise? Any overlap with LH tv plots? Lolol  Any nostalgia factor going on,  (other than Sully and his trademark hair, lol) or just growing up with the show?  Did you have to “be there” at the time, so to speak? 

The Laura/Almonzo factor, I think was a “be there at the time,” dynamic in real time.  I’m pretty sure my sister who is 12 years younger than me, and does not remember LH show at all, would shake her head at *that* romance. Lolol.   But also, as has been previously discussed,  watching it through adult eyes is completely different, especially if one has never seen the show before. 

When I watch the Laura/Almonzo material, it just takes me back to my memories of watching it in 5th? Grade.  🙂 

 

 

 

I liked Dr. Quinn when I happened to stumble upon it, but it wasn't a show I plan my tv week around.

Another show I liked was Christy starting Kellie Martin. Based on the book by Catherine Marshall. Sadly it only lasted for one season but they made a few movies years later to continue where the show left off.

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1 hour ago, jason88cubs said:

i never saw them eat fried chicken

isnt that sort of weird? you would think fried chicken would be huge back then

 

 

 

I remember an episode where they ate cold fried chicken after church. Since they were all farmers and Doc was always getting paid in chickens, I assume they had plenty of them. 

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2 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

Just watched "Blizzard"

 

Though we mock the people its truly amazing how they all pitch in to help

Great community

I recently watched that one for the first time, and it's a great episode! I had to drink cocoa to recover from feeling frozen myself. 

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4 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

The one thing I never understood about "blizzard " is after Charles finds his kids he wants to track em back through the storm

I think he said something like the shed the girls took shelter in could blow over at any moment due to the wind. But it was still a dumb idea to make them walk back to the school. This show wasn't known for logic. 

I'm watching "My Ellen" and I can't believe that after Eloise tells Laura that it is her fault that Ellen died (because Laura was always asking her to go swimming), that neither Charles, Doc Baker, or Rev. Alden didn't take a moment to reassure Laura that it was just a mother's grief talking and that Laura wasn't to blame for what happened. That's the kind of stuff that could scar a person for life, but all 3 men just share a look and none of them bother to comfort a devastated & crying Laura, who is just a kid after all. Sure, Charles goes to talk to Laura once they get home but the poor girl was left to think about what Eloise said to her for quite a while before then.

You know who was really to blame for Ellen's death? Those 2 boys who were trying to sneak a peak at the naked girls in the pond. If they hadn't been there, then Ellen wouldn't have dived under the water in haste and drowned. Although...it was Carrie who revealed the peeping Toms, so maybe it was all her fault. (I kid)

So the men folk form a posse to look for the missing Laura on Busby's property. She's only been missing a few hours, school hasn't let out for the day, yet they call off the search in bright daylight because it's "going to be dark soon". LOL. Charles leaves by wagon to go home (still blinding light out) but by the time he gets home it is literally pitch dark. What?! Just how far apart were Busby's property and the Ingalls farm? Couldn't have been that far apart since Laura cut through his property on the way to school to get to the Taylors. Did the Ingalls live 2 hours outside of town? I know, I know, I shouldn't overthink this show.

At first I thought Laura was an idiot for not making a run for it when Eloise turned her back so that Laura could change clothes. But I can see where she was probably too scared at first, plus she was taught to respect adults. By the next morning, of course, spunky Laura returns and tricks Eloise and makes her escape. 

Y'know what else I liked? When Charles, believing Busby had kidnapped Laura, showed real fear that he'd never know what happened to Laura if Busby died from the gunshot wound. There wasn't a police force to call to mount a search for a missing kid in Walnut Grove; if her alleged kidnapper died all hope of finding her would die with him. That would probably drive Charles insane. 

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5 minutes ago, bunnyblue said:

So the men folk form a posse to look for the missing Laura on Busby's property. She's only been missing a few hours, school hasn't let out for the day, yet they call off the search in bright daylight because it's "going to be dark soon". LOL. Charles leaves by wagon to go home (still blinding light out) but by the time he gets home it is literally pitch dark. What?!

I've been watching a lot of Westerns lately, both movies and shows, and this seems to be a recurring thing on every single one, and it cracks me up every time it happens. It looks like it's high noon, and they announce, "It'll be gettin' dark soon. Better set up camp."  🤣

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I just wanted to say how much I enjoy reading here!  I don’t aways get the time to respond or be logged in properly and then the I-pad kicks me off for some reason.  😕 I forget which pages they were, but kudos to those posters who gave us a fan ‘s DALLAS-themed renditions of LH, and that lovely LH replica toy-house model.  🙂.    I didn’t even have the sound on and I was able to “hum-sing” the theme to match the Dallas-split screen graphics.  Wonderful!   LOL. 

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2 hours ago, Superclam said:

For those of you who don't know, UpTV is showing the entire series (I think) all this week. Started with this morning. Watched the pilot and Harvest of Friends, and now an episode that our friend @Country girl will enjoy. 😄

If I watch it all week I might turn into Charles ingalls

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7 hours ago, Superclam said:

I've never seen the entire "Remember Me" before. That puppy scene was harrowing!! 

 

Any cruelty to animals makes me cringe. Later when "Mine" Alicia's pup dies, in the Johnny Cash episode, that was also done very well.

I don't know who was a "good parent" back then but many families lost a mom or dad and did okay (at least on LHOP) Alicia was asked to live with a rich single woman to get things she could never have but it never occurred to anyone to have her or the boys stay with Grace full time or Mrs Whipple? Maybe the boys with Lars or the Doc or the Olesons?  I know Grace didn't have a lot of money but she seemed to live by herself fine and if she got Alicia and the boys were nearby? Why was taking care of them any different than just their mom taking care of them before she got cancer? I  just thought the choices were awful (as they were meant to be) but if Grace could wing it as a foster mom while Charles looked, she could do it until Mr Edwards stepped up. 😉 Hey she ended up kicking Mr Edwards out anyway. Nothing beat Alicia's hand in Mr Edward's at the end but I just didn't understand if their mom did it without their Pa anymore than Grace could have without a husband and of course Charles helping as Charles does.

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26 minutes ago, Superclam said:

I kind of want the "What Would Charles Do?" t-shirt. That shower curtain - that really makes you think. 

Yes, some are silly and some I love. I see in the side there is more than shown. I like the tote and inside print of house might be cute on magnet.  I need to see if town is there later when I have more time to browse 

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I'm watching Quarantine for the first time in years. I laughed when they announced the children can't go to each other's houses to play, and the first person Laura looks at is Nellie.

However, I wish they concentrated on Mr. Edwards and Alicia without Laura inserted into their story. It would be nice to see other characters once in a while without an Ingalls horning in.

The separate scenes with how the Ingalls dealing with isolating in their home with three children was good but then they had to mesh the two stories. Let Alicia be the center of attention for once, dang it!

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Re: red bubble- what an interesting site!  Thanks for the info. 🙂  You can type in just about anything. I tried “The Waltons” just for kicks and yes, it works.   Lol 

I also typed in “Little Women,” and the only items that popped up (so far) , hail from that annoying (to me) 2019 version with that annoying (to me) twit-Chalamet (sp?)

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Wonkabar5 said:

Re: red bubble- what an interesting site!  Thanks for the info. 🙂  You can type in just about anything. I tried “The Waltons” just for kicks and yes, it works.   Lol 

It's true, I got lost in the Little House stuff for about half an hour. I typed in a death metal band I like, just to see, and it came up with about 6 different styles! 

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