Kim Richards: No Escape from Witch Mountain

[rehoboth]

FaithsMum thank you for checking in.  We like to know that you are hanging in there.  Unlike Kim Richards, it is really easy to root for you.

 

Also, I really appreciate your perspective on the life of an addict.  I think it validates a lot of what we have been seeing.  Best wishes for a full recovery.  Always keep pictures of your girls around you.  They will be watching you just as you are watching them.

[itsmeyousee]

I have no idea how hard this can be so i won't comment on whether Kim does or does not want help. But the one thing Dr Phil said that made sense was about the need to control when you are an addict. Cause Kim has felt like that all year to me, especially at the Reunion eps, very calculated and no one can move her from her own agenda whatever that happens to be.

[motorcitymom65]

FaithsMum - thanks for your brave and honest post. It is one thing to watch the weight of addiction play out on TV, but something else entirely when someone like you breaks it all down for us. I am sending you virtual hugs from Detroit. It sounds like you have so many great things going on in your life. I loved what you said about your husband. If there is any healing to be found in the power of love I think you've got that covered. I hope you will keep posting and let us all know how you are doing. We are rooting for you.

[FaithsMum]

I have no idea how hard this can be so i won't comment on whether Kim does or does not want help. But the one thing Dr Phil said that made sense was about the need to control when you are an addict. Cause Kim has felt like that all year to me, especially at the Reunion eps, very calculated and no one can move her from her own agenda whatever that happens to be.

Oh, that's true I think. The greatest irony of any addiction is that you lose control trying to find it. Kim, I figure, is in this weird no mans land that is mostly a shitty place to be in. She admits that she has an addiction on some level but at the same time she's not ready to let it go or accept any culpability... Although I may be overestimating her ability to self-reflect.

Being there pretty much sucks. For me at least, there was some awareness that I'm not completely in control of my own mind which frightened me and so I wanted to control everything else. And we plan shit; when you're an addict for long enough and the people around you are aware of it, you know the types of things that will be said to you - and you figure out your response accordingly. You spend so much time doing it that you begin to believe your own bullshit and there is no budging from that viewpoint. I never played the victim in the way Kim does but I was just as calculated and stubborn.

Now that my life is controlled by doctors and psychiatrists I have all this free time on my hands which, as crazy as this is, is why I'm posting here. I'm no longer spending hours figuring how I'm going to get drugs or calorie counting or planning how I will avoid eating the following day. Kim needs to get a fucking hobby. Or three. Because recovery is this process where you have to learn to distract yourself until the cravings pass. Relying on others is fine to a point but she is never, ever going to recover if at 2am, she doesn't figure out an alternative to ringing Brandi (lol) It also gives one a sense of accomplishment that you got through that on your own and acts as a reminder for when the next one hits.

Thank you for your kind words WireWrap, CrinkleCutCat, Motorcitymom65 and rehoboth. Reading what you guys write about the housewives who give us all so much to snark about is what I do at almost 4am when the urge to count calories and purge hits.

Edited May 7, 2015 by FaithsMum

[Lura]

The wedding is in May but the specific date and location are unknown.

 

Weren't Brooke and her husband in Dubai recently, or am I completely mixed up?  I thought maybe that was the wedding destination and that they were over there to work on the details.  Performing in Dubai seems to be the thing to do these days, so why not a wedding?  It's only a guessing game I'm playing, but is it plausible?

 

[mbutterfly]

Is Kim really that big a star that someone (TLC or Dr. Phil) would provide a care giver so she can fly to Dubai (which I think is very possible) for what is essentially a destination wedding reception? Wow!

[rehoboth]

Oh, that's true I think. The greatest irony of any addiction is that you lose control trying to find it. Kim, I figure, is in this weird no mans land that is mostly a shitty place to be in. She admits that she has an addiction on some level but at the same time she's not ready to let it go or accept any culpability... Although I may be overestimating her ability to self-reflect.

Being there pretty much sucks. For me at least, there was some awareness that I'm not completely in control of my own mind which frightened me and so I wanted to control everything else. And we plan shit; when you're an addict for long enough and the people around you are aware of it, you know the types of things that will be said to you - and you figure out your response accordingly. You spend so much time doing it that you begin to believe your own bullshit and there is no budging from that viewpoint. I never played the victim in the way Kim does but I was just as calculated and stubborn.

Now that my life is controlled by doctors and psychiatrists I have all this free time on my hands which, as crazy as this is, is why I'm posting here. I'm no longer spending hours figuring how I'm going to get drugs or calorie counting or planning how I will avoid eating the following day. Kim needs to get a fucking hobby. Or three. Because recovery is this process where you have to learn to distract yourself until the cravings pass. Relying on others is fine to a point but she is never, ever going to recover if at 2am, she doesn't figure out an alternative to ringing Brandi (lol) It also gives one a sense of accomplishment that you got through that on your own and acts as a reminder for when the next one hits.

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Exactly.  We know that Kyle got Kim a spot on the show and that it was probably for monetary reasons because her child support had stopped the year before. But I also read many years ago, Kyle being quoted as saying that she wanted Kim to have this gig so Kim would have a reason to get out of bed in the morning. 

 

Also, putting aside the new housewives, I think Kim may be the only one without a charity that she supports.  When one of my teen age children was at loose ends, I suggested putting in some time at a local animal shelter to make them him think outside of himself.  He did put in some time at a soup kitchen later on (because God forbid he follow my suggestion *said in Mom Voice*) and slowly after that things began to come together for him.

 

I still maintain that getting that check for $23,000 a month from the Davis gravy train for decades was the worst thing for Kim.  She never had to learn how to deal with social situations or work situations that she did not like.  She never had to do anything she didn't want to = no personal growth.

[Avaleigh]

Wait, is Brooke's wedding reception really going to be in Dubai? I thought I'd read Cabo but I might be getting that confused with a trip that Kim took. 

 

I still maintain that getting that check for $23,000 a month from the Davis gravy train for decades was the worst thing for Kim.  She never had to learn how to deal with social situations or work situations that she did not like.  She never had to do anything she didn't want to = no personal growth.

I think that this is probably very true. 

[Juliegirlj]

Faiths up, I am rooting for you! Nurses make the worst patients ( haha, I am one)!! Your comment about Kim needing a hobby is very true, and may have been why Kyle wanted to get Kim on RHOBH, in addition to the money. So much time and energy is put into drinking, drugging, finding drugs, spinning tales, etc, that when sobriety is attempted, the addict's life feels almost empty. No adrenaline rushes. Kim should volunteer at an animal shelter or something like that. I think Kim feels entitled to use- that special addict mindset, that anyone would drink/use, if they knew what it was like to be HER.

[Lura]

THANKS, Avaleigh!   I guess that means that Kim would willingly go anywhere to get out of rehab for a while.  It doesn't really matter where the wedding or reception is, just so she can get away.  For the first time, I'm seeing Kim thumb her nose at the world and do exactly what she wants to do. 

 

Just based on the fact that there are so many shows in Dubai, I imagine drinking is allowed.  Of all places for the Hilton family to go!  I thought for a moment that Brooke might have selected Dubai because it's a dry country.  I'm doubting more and more that Kim will return to rehab.  I think she'd rather gamble and risk jail time.

 

[zoeysmom]

Weren't Brooke and her husband in Dubai recently, or am I completely mixed up?  I thought maybe that was the wedding destination and that they were over there to work on the details.  Performing in Dubai seems to be the thing to do these days, so why not a wedding?  It's only a guessing game I'm playing, but is it plausible?

Paris Hilton is in Dubai.  Who would want to have their wedding in Dubai?  Further proof this is more of a party than a wedding.  I was thinking they were going to Cabo and it was over Memorial Day weekend.  With Brooke it will be a week long event. 

[FaithsMum]

Exactly. We know that Kyle got Kim a spot on the show and that it was probably for monetary reasons because her child support had stopped the year before. But I also read many years ago, Kyle being quoted as saying that she wanted Kim to have this gig so Kim would have a reason to get out of bed in the morning.

I still maintain that getting that check for $23,000 a month from the Davis gravy train for decades was the worst thing for Kim. She never had to learn how to deal with social situations or work situations that she did not like. She never had to do anything she didn't want to = no personal growth.

I completely agree. Outside of her children she has no other responsibilities and even then, from what I can tell their fathers remained in their lives so child rearing was not ever entirely her responsibility anyway. She didn't have to drag her hungover arse out of bed because she needed to go to work to put food on the table and thus never learned that as adults we have obligations that need to be met. She's perpetually 14 years old.

My children are still very young but I have learned/learning that it's not fair to "depend" on them to keep me distracted, even if they're still young enough to not be quite aware of it. Of course when I'm home chasing after three little precocious madams does keep me busy but they have school and friends and gymnastics and bedtimes. They're not there for me to run around after 24/7 nor should they be. I feel bad for Kim's children because I can imagine the guilt she lays on them when they haven't come home for a few weeks or they want to hang with their friends. It isn't their responsibility to keep her sober, that's on her - and she needs to find something, or several something's, which take her out of her own head.

It's great your son worked at a soup kitchen btw, all teenagers (and Kim!) should do something like that.

Faiths up, I am rooting for you! Nurses make the worst patients ( haha, I am one)!! Your comment about Kim needing a hobby is very true, and may have been why Kyle wanted to get Kim on RHOBH, in addition to the money. So much time and energy is put into drinking, drugging, finding drugs, spinning tales, etc, that when sobriety is attempted, the addict's life feels almost empty. No adrenaline rushes. Kim should volunteer at an animal shelter or something like that. I think Kim feels entitled to use- that special addict mindset, that anyone would drink/use, if they knew what it was like to be HER.

Thank you! Haha, yes we do.

That's so true. When I eventually get out of here, I often wonder what I'm going to do with my time because all my free time was spent planning and scheming or obsessively weighing myself on my "secret" scales. Or measuring my thighs with a tape measure. Or wondering how I'm going to hide the symptoms I've used - my husband is a doctor, he can tell if I've taken something I shouldn't in about two seconds flat. Now Kim's kids have flown the nest she needs to stay busy, busy, busy until her sobriety is much more secure and she has learned coping mechanisms.

I think Kim feels that too. I used to, and it wasn't helped because some people around me would say that if they'd survived what I had, they'd take drugs too. They didn't mean to give me "permission" but my addicts mind used it as a justification; totally telling my life story to strangers here but I became an addict when a patient didn't much like my bedside manner it seems - I was raped and badly beaten, the head injury leaving me with epilepsy. So like a lot of pharma opiod addicts, I developed the dependence with prescribed meds for legitimate pain. I found I liked the way they made me feel because when I was high, I would "forget" about what happened and "forget" about my very abusive, psychotic ex boyfriend. The anorexia though I developed as a child although it didn't become "serious" until I was in my late teens.

Addiction is usually a symptom of something else and unless Kim deals with whatever there is in her that wants to be high/drunk, she's going to be stuck in this cycle forever. I have learned that I use drugs and my anorexia as coping mechanisms because when I'm obsessing about both of those things, I'm not thinking about everything else. Really it's just running away and until I deal with the underlying causes, I'm always going to want to starve myself to non existence.

Kim unfortunately seems to have little self-awareness and I don't think that's a result of her addiction, it's just who she is which is going to make recovery a million times harder for her.

 

Just based on the fact that there are so many shows in Dubai, I imagine drinking is allowed. 

I was in Dubai last year, and yes drinking is allowed as a non-Muslim, non-native although it's restricted somewhat to the tourist-y areas. My husband is a "lapsed Muslim" (his words!) and he was refused alcohol a couple of times though.

Edited May 7, 2015 by FaithsMum

[WireWrap]

Is Kim really that big a star that someone (TLC or Dr. Phil) would provide a care giver so she can fly to Dubai (which I think is very possible) for what is essentially a destination wedding reception? Wow!

I do not believe that anyone outside the family is paying for Kim's sobriety babysitter, there is no need. Brooke and her husband and or good sister Kathy can afford to pay for it themselves, and keep in mind, Kim refused to go to rehab where DP wanted her to go, he is not involved with her rehab at all IMO.

[zoeysmom]

I do not believe that anyone outside the family is paying for Kim's sobriety babysitter, there is no need. Brooke and her husband and or good sister Kathy can afford to pay for it themselves, and keep in mind, Kim refused to go to rehab where DP wanted her to go, he is not involved with her rehab at all IMO.

Has Brandi or anyone inside the family confirmed the attendance of Kim at the wedding or a sober companion to escort her?  It is my understanding if a person leaves rehab they are discharged and readmitted when they return with the exception of brief funerals.  For a variety of reasons the hospital does not to accept liability.  It is not as if Kim's participation is court ordered.   Sometimes promises are made to get a person into rehab and then it is the goal of the treatment team to see that Kim put her sobriety first.  There will always be a special occasion but without her sobriety there may not always be a Kim.  I have been very adamant I don't think this party with a brief exchange of vows is anything more than an excuse for Brooke to be the center of attention-which is okay but call it what it is a delayed reception.  I am wondering if Minty can make this journey? 

Minty's latest update on Kim-  https://instagram.com/p/2XeoySQfA1/?taken-by=montybrinson

 

They just need to stop being so superficial.  There are real issues to work out.  I love you, you are a beautiful person, (except when you are not), just the bestest in the whole world.  BARF

[mwell345]

So many opportunities to drink.  There's that long plane ride there, the long plane ride back.  There's a wedding reception. There's all that time alone in the hotel room. 

 

Which  is probably why Kim is so adamant about attending. 

 

I get that it's her daughter, but the real wedding has already happened.  And of all people, wouldn't a daughter understand "Honey, I can't go  - my rehab is just too important to me".  

 

But this is Kim who thinks you can walk into rehab one day and walk out a few days later "cured", except of course for the occasional "relapse" which is not a big deal because it's really not a relapse - just a pill or a couple of glasses of wine, or a teeny teeny bit of vodka.

[WireWrap]

Has Brandi or anyone inside the family confirmed the attendance of Kim at the wedding or a sober companion to escort her?  It is my understanding if a person leaves rehab they are discharged and readmitted when they return with the exception of brief funerals.  For a variety of reasons the hospital does not to accept liability.  It is not as if Kim's participation is court ordered.   Sometimes promises are made to get a person into rehab and then it is the goal of the treatment team to see that Kim put her sobriety first.  There will always be a special occasion but without her sobriety there may not always be a Kim.  I have been very adamant I don't think this party with a brief exchange of vows is anything more than an excuse for Brooke to be the center of attention-which is okay but call it what it is a delayed reception.  I am wondering if Minty can make this journey? 

Minty's latest update on Kim-  https://instagram.com/p/2XeoySQfA1/?taken-by=montybrinson

 

They just need to stop being so superficial.  There are real issues to work out.  I love you, you are a beautiful person, (except when you are not), just the bestest in the whole world.  BARF

I don't think there has been any "official" word from the family, I do not trust anything Brandi says, about Kim regarding the wedding party but I would not put it past them to make sure that Kim can/will attend. And by family, I mean Kathy, not Kim's kids.

 

ITA about Monty.

[WireWrap]

So many opportunities to drink.  There's that long plane ride there, the long plane ride back.  There's a wedding reception. There's all that time alone in the hotel room. 

 

Which  is probably why Kim is so adamant about attending. 

 

I get that it's her daughter, but the real wedding has already happened.  And of all people, wouldn't a daughter understand "Honey, I can't go  - my rehab is just too important to me".  

 

But this is Kim who thinks you can walk into rehab one day and walk out a few days later "cured", except of course for the occasional "relapse" which is not a big deal because it's really not a relapse - just a pill or a couple of glasses of wine, or a teeny teeny bit of vodka.

I don't know that Brooke is insisting Kim attend the "wedding", IMO, it is the other way around. I think Kim used being able to go to this second wedding as a condition on going into rehab in the first place and no matter what anyone else says, kids/family or rehab staff/Dr.'s, Kim will leave rehab, wedding or not. I can see Kim counting down the days to the wedding as her get out of "jail" card and I really doubt that she returns when they get back. JMO

[Stinamaia]

I heard Kim's mean alcoholic voice many times from one of my former step-mothers. For me it's something that goes on with alcoholics -- all congeniality with outsiders, but once behind closed doors the mean diatribes begin -- unless there's drinking. Drinking then brings it's own problems. :D.

So, I didn't think there was anything particularly unusual about Kim's harsh tone with her kids. I expected that was how she acted, An addict has to destroy he threat to her addiction by whatever means she can. Hell, I used to get mad at the TV for airing a non-smoking PSA. With people around me, I mostly just ignored what they had to say although their disapproval did leave a mark in my brain somewhere and accumulated and made a difference in the end when I sickened of the control this substance had on my life.

Kim has so many problems that I feel so so badly for her, but on the other hand, I don't want to be around her and I don't want her to be on the housewife show. I can't take it. I have to fast forward through some of the scenes.

[Linky Loo]

My guess is the wedding is in Cabo around May 22.  That would explain why Kim has been in Cabo with Brooke and Brooke's mother-in-law, checking out wedding details / venues.  

 

There are Fatburgers in Dubai.  Fatburger is owned by Brooke's in-laws.  Her husband and Whitney both work for the chain.

[zoeysmom]

My guess is the wedding is in Cabo around May 22.  That would explain why Kim has been in Cabo with Brooke and Brooke's mother-in-law, checking out wedding details / venues.  

 

There are Fatburgers in Dubai.  Fatburger is owned by Brooke's in-laws.  Her husband and Whitney both work for the chain.

Thank you -I have been curious why all of sudden it is in Dubai.  There was a registry that went private right after Kim got arrested and I was under the impression that she was getting married over the long weekend.

[kassa]

I can see Dr. Phil getting involved any way he can stick his foot in the door.  No doubt the Kim Richards episode got good ratings -- why not a second?  If he got to speak to her, he could easily have spun it as "we can film your brave recovery process, you'll be inspiring to millions, everybody admires somebody who falls and gets back up again, this will make you more relevant and important than ever!"  And she would fall for it as quickly as "You know I'll always answer the phone at 2 am when you call, unlike your sister!"

 

He doesn't care about her recovery (well, I assume on a human level he does, the way we all do, but without much conviction that she actually will recover in her present frame of mind).  In the meantime, using or sober, getting her on the show is good for him.  It's not a failure if she fails so long as his narration makes the point that she's going to fail -- she'll simply be proving him right and a walking illustration of addiction in action.  And if by some chance she makes it, he gets a show out of that, too.  

 

He knew she was drinking/using and he didn't attempt to pretend she wasn't, nor will he until she has genuine sobriety under her belt and appears able to speak candidly about how deluded she was in her illness.

[WireWrap]

I can see Dr. Phil getting involved any way he can stick his foot in the door.  No doubt the Kim Richards episode got good ratings -- why not a second?  If he got to speak to her, he could easily have spun it as "we can film your brave recovery process, you'll be inspiring to millions, everybody admires somebody who falls and gets back up again, this will make you more relevant and important than ever!"  And she would fall for it as quickly as "You know I'll always answer the phone at 2 am when you call, unlike your sister!"

 

He doesn't care about her recovery (well, I assume on a human level he does, the way we all do, but without much conviction that she actually will recover in her present frame of mind).  In the meantime, using or sober, getting her on the show is good for him.  It's not a failure if she fails so long as his narration makes the point that she's going to fail -- she'll simply be proving him right and a walking illustration of addiction in action.  And if by some chance she makes it, he gets a show out of that, too.  

 

He knew she was drinking/using and he didn't attempt to pretend she wasn't, nor will he until she has genuine sobriety under her belt and appears able to speak candidly about how deluded she was in her illness.

IMO, DP is done with Kim because she turned her back on him and went elsewhere. That alone makes it impossible for him to do anything else unless she comes hat in and, ready to beg forgiveness on camera and that is not going to happen on her end, too stubborn. JMO

[zoeysmom]

IMO, DP is done with Kim because she turned her back on him and went elsewhere. That alone makes it impossible for him to do anything else unless she comes hat in and, ready to beg forgiveness on camera and that is not going to happen on her end, too stubborn. JMO

I thought it would be more along the lines of-"I must have been drunk to go on the Dr. Phil show." 

[WireWrap]

I thought it would be more along the lines of-"I must have been drunk to go on the Dr. Phil show." 

I beg to differ, it is......."I must have been 100% GD drunk to go on the Dr. Phil show" and "I only took 1 of Monty's pills because I was in 100% GD Pain as well after I smoked that joint with Brandi!"

[Baltimore Betty]

Oh, that's true I think. The greatest irony of any addiction is that you lose control trying to find it. Kim, I figure, is in this weird no mans land that is mostly a shitty place to be in. She admits that she has an addiction on some level but at the same time she's not ready to let it go or accept any culpability... Although I may be overestimating her ability to self-reflect.

Being there pretty much sucks. For me at least, there was some awareness that I'm not completely in control of my own mind which frightened me and so I wanted to control everything else. And we plan shit; when you're an addict for long enough and the people around you are aware of it, you know the types of things that will be said to you - and you figure out your response accordingly. You spend so much time doing it that you begin to believe your own bullshit and there is no budging from that viewpoint. I never played the victim in the way Kim does but I was just as calculated and stubborn.

Now that my life is controlled by doctors and psychiatrists I have all this free time on my hands which, as crazy as this is, is why I'm posting here. I'm no longer spending hours figuring how I'm going to get drugs or calorie counting or planning how I will avoid eating the following day. Kim needs to get a fucking hobby. Or three. Because recovery is this process where you have to learn to distract yourself until the cravings pass. Relying on others is fine to a point but she is never, ever going to recover if at 2am, she doesn't figure out an alternative to ringing Brandi (lol) It also gives one a sense of accomplishment that you got through that on your own and acts as a reminder for when the next one hits.

Thank you for your kind words WireWrap, CrinkleCutCat, Motorcitymom65 and rehoboth. Reading what you guys write about the housewives who give us all so much to snark about is what I do at almost 4am when the urge to count calories and purge hits.

I will confess to having a period of time where I was anorexic, Many years ago I was diagnosed with Crohn's and had no control over the disease so I tried to control what I ate and it was a slippery slope but I got on top of it and my heart goes out you Faithsmum. Kim has no control and lots of enablers so consider yourself a step above with your self awareness, at least you have not had to be removed from the ladies room at the Polo Grill!

 

[Gam2]

Wow. The most legitimate voice I've ever heard is from Faithsmum. Her posts just move me beyond words. It seems as though most of  us just post our opinions but she's the real deal. I've had experience with a close relative who is a recovering addict but I have never heard this much heart rending honesty, even from her. To Faithsmum- thank you from the bottom on my heart for your soul baring honesty, willingness to educate all of us on these horrible diseases and allowing us to pray for you, your wonderful husband and three precious, deserving girls. We're on your side, girl. You deserve this!

[missy jo]

At the end of the DP show, he says that he "was told/informed Kim went into rehab" and that he "wished her well", had she gone to the facility he made arrangements for, he would have known for fact that she was there. The way he said it made me think he either questioned the facility's credentials/methods/legitimacy or he has doubts that Kim went into rehab at all.

 

 

Sadly, I'm a regular viewer of the Dr. Phil show and I can vouch that his tone and expression were pure "go fuck yourself, Kim Richards. You will rue the day you embarrassed me on my show.

 

All the best to you, FaithsMum.

Edited May 8, 2015 by missy jo

[tabloidlover]

That is fabulous insight, missyjo!  Thank you!

[BlackMamba]

Kathy sure has been tweeting a great deal the last few days. I wonder is gulit kicking her butt for the Dr Phil interview. I dunno Im just not use to her tweeting.

[Showthyme]

IIRC, Dr. Phil's father was an alcoholic. Kim Richards cannot manipulate Dr. Phil like she can her sister, Kathy. Dr. Phil doesn't give a rat's ass rather Kim goes into rehab or not. He was simply offering it to her and didn't particularly care if she went or not. I hope that he didn't waste his money on her drop-in, skip-out rehab experience. 

 

Dr. Phil washed his hands quickly of Octomom. He was all in until she went against his plan. Then he was 100% out. It is too bad because those kids could have used his help.

 

I have two daughters. Both of them would tell me that they would consider it my wedding gift to them if I went into rehab instead of attending their second wedding. 

 

I have always thought that Kyle insisted that Kim be on the show. Kyle seems to be withdrawing her support. I hope that Bravo will follow suit and drop Kim.. She has always been unbearable to watch. I don't see any future for her in TV or really doing anything else.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Showthyme

[WireWrap]

IIRC, Dr. Phil's father was an alcoholic. Kim Richards cannot manipulate Dr. Phil like she can her sister, Kathy. Dr. Phil doesn't give a rat's ass rather Kim goes into rehab or not. He was simply offering it to her and didn't particularly care if she went or not. I hope that he didn't waste his money on her drop-in, skip-out rehab experience. 

 

Dr. Phil washed his hands quickly of Octomom. He was all in until she went against his plan. Then he was 100% out. It is too bad because those kids could have used his help.

 

I have two daughters. Both of them would tell me that they would consider it my wedding gift to them if I went into rehab instead of attending their second wedding. 

 

I have always thought that Kyle insisted that Kim be on the show. Kyle seems to be withdrawing her support. I hope that Bravo will follow suit and drop Kim.. She has always been unbearable to watch. I don't see any future for her in TV or really doing anything else.

Kim refused his offer and instead went to a different rehab, so I am pretty sure he has noting to do with her at all now. She blew her biggest chance of really getting clean/sober IMO. I also think that Kim's children realize that there is no stopping her showing up at the "wedding" shy of hiring security to keep her out and I very much doubt they would go that far and Kim would never, ever not go. She is all about her needs/wants, no one else's, including her children, matter to her.

 

Kyle did get Kim on the show but it was/is a rumor that Kyle insisted she stays on or else she, Kyle, would quit/leave. IMO, Kyle will keep Kim at arms length for a long time, especially if Mauricio has any say about it and this time, I believe he will insist.    JMO

[Lura]

Kyle did get Kim on the show but it was/is a rumor that Kyle insisted she stays on or else she, Kyle, would quit/leave.

 

I beg to differ with you.  I posted this on the board a long time ago because it was a direct quote of Kyle's in response to a question by a reporter.  There was a lot of talk about Bravo possibly getting rid of Kim, and the reporter asked Kyle for her reaction to it.  I can no longer quote Kyle exactly, but essentially she responded that "if Kim goes, I go."  Kyle was obviously upset that Bravo had failed to announce the cast for the coming season, allowing rumors to get started about Kim.  I felt that she made the statement not only to satisfy the reporter but also to let Bravo know that if they fired Kim, they would also have to replace her.

[WireWrap]

I beg to differ with you.  I posted this on the board a long time ago because it was a direct quote of Kyle's in response to a question by a reporter.  There was a lot of talk about Bravo possibly getting rid of Kim, and the reporter asked Kyle for her reaction to it.  I can no longer quote Kyle exactly, but essentially she responded that "if Kim goes, I go."  Kyle was obviously upset that Bravo had failed to announce the cast for the coming season, allowing rumors to get started about Kim.  I felt that she made the statement not only to satisfy the reporter but also to let Bravo know that if they fired Kim, they would also have to replace her.

The quote was "We area a package deal", that was right after season 1 ended. IMO, Kyle said it out of guilt for outing Kim's alcoholism on the show but it was a 1 time thing only.

[mwell345]

 

The quote was "We area a package deal", that was right after season 1 ended. IMO, Kyle said it out of guilt for outing Kim's alcoholism on the show but it was a 1 time thing only.

Season 1 might as well have been 100 years ago.  I have no doubt Kyle said that - I remember reading about it.  But the question is : Does she still feel the same after season 5?

 

I doubt it. Kim has caused her nothing but embarrassment.   She made nasty insinuations about her friend, Lisa Rinna. She never came to Kyle's defense when Brandi made the comments about Mauricio not wanting her.   She blamed Kyle over and over again for everything bad in her life.  She chose Brandi over her sister. She actually said that Kathy was a better sister then Kyle.

 

Who treats their sister like that?

 

I doubt they're still a package deal.  Of course, if Kyle is asked back and Kim is not, Kim will blame it on Kyle - she stole my house, she stole my show.  I'm surprised we haven't been told that Kyle poured her the glass of vodka and forced her to drink it.

[motorcitymom65]

When Kim was lamenting the fact that she could't do rehab right now because of the wedding, Brooke said that if she went to rehab somewhere close by, she could just hop over to the wedding and then come back to rehab. This made me think the wedding wasn't terribly far away. I am guessing Cabo over Dubai. Dubai is a good 20 hour flight at least. It also makes sense as others have said since Kim was recently in Cabo.

[BlackMamba]

Season 1 might as well have been 100 years ago. I have no doubt Kyle said that - I remember reading about it. But the question is : Does she still feel the same after season 5?

Kyle is codepenent as the day is long when it comes to Kim. Shes also thirsty for type of acceptance or admiration from Kim. Kim being a narcissist knows that and has relished(s) in this because she knows Kyle will be right there.

Kyle is doing fine now not running to Kim when she got in trouble or switching sits when at the reunion to comfort Kim. Had it not been for the dog almost disfiguring Alexia, Kyle would had been right there as usual the minute she was release from jail. Kim is probably in "rehab" wondering why Kyle has blown up her phone and begged to come visit her at "rehab" even if she doesnt want her there as rumored.

Being the skeptic as I am, I still think Kyle isn't going to ask for Kim to be fired from RHOBH or at least be downgraded. I cant blame her because Bravo is a shady company they would release something that would insinuate they had no part of the firing 100%, just like all of sudden, these "insiders/sources" for Bravo after Kim's arrest finally were saying Kim has always been difficult when it came to filming, her being erratic because of her addiction and her attitude was never peachy with the other women.

Kyle simply doesnt want to be hated especially when it comes to Kim particularly. Bottomline. After how she was attacked on social media and blogs for years because they felt like she needed be responsible for Kim's well being and not "out" Kim's obvious alcoholism. I dont believe she wants to go down this road again. Now Kim would love it because she can say "My sister never had my back but Kathy has. Kyle has always been against me and Ive been so gentle with her. Kyle cares more about her popularity and fame than me. Where's that telephone I need to make my 4th phone call to Kathy!" Kim knows a lot of fans of the show will buy her bs like they did the last time and wont hold her accountable if so happens she truly let go from RHOBH. They will be blinded and need to point the finger but it wont be at her it will be at Kyle and lesser degree Lisa R/Lisa V/Eileen. But it will always come back to Kyle ultimately.

Edited May 8, 2015 by BlackMamba

[zoeysmom]

I beg to differ with you.  I posted this on the board a long time ago because it was a direct quote of Kyle's in response to a question by a reporter.  There was a lot of talk about Bravo possibly getting rid of Kim, and the reporter asked Kyle for her reaction to it.  I can no longer quote Kyle exactly, but essentially she responded that "if Kim goes, I go."  Kyle was obviously upset that Bravo had failed to announce the cast for the coming season, allowing rumors to get started about Kim.  I felt that she made the statement not only to satisfy the reporter but also to let Bravo know that if they fired Kim, they would also have to replace her.

Where is the direct quote?   I don't believe anyone has ever produced the direct, verifiable quote. It is one thing to say it to a reporter, which I yet to read, and quite another to say it during contract negotiations.  One thing to support your family publicly another to do it where the sausage gets made.  There have been many a RH that have said it is her or me but have we seen that happen?  I know Nene fancies herself has the talent hirer and terminator but I doubt she would ever do a either her or me.  We have seen RH not be included in filming either to amp up a storyline or to deprive another of camera time.   

 

Kim and Kyle share the same agent and have for a very long time. They know the risk of ultimatums.  If there was ever a season where it was a likelihood, Season 4, Brandi and LisaV, Yolanda tried their best to get Kim and Kyle off the show and it imploded big time.  With the power of Lisa V, Brandi, Yolanda the pressure was on to drop Kyle and of course Kim.  One thing is for sure (to me) without Kyle there is no way Kim has a spot on the show. 

Here is the reference to a package deal:  http://starcasm.net/archives/201246

 

"I think we would stick together no matter what."

 

Hardly a package deal, or ultimatum.  It is the perfect wiggle room statement. 

[Lura]

Thanks, WireWrap.  I knew that I read that.  In fact, later, when I thought about it, I thought I read it twice.  I'm also at fault, though, for maybe not making myself clear enough.  There were rumors about it before Kyle made that statement, and then when Kyle came out with her "package deal" business, it seemed like possibly a confirmation of those rumors, at least in my mind.

 

I've also wondered whether Kyle would say the same thing today, and I wouldn't even hazard a guess about that one!  When Kyle and Kim manage to avoid talking about their differences, I think the two of them are somewhat close (at least for Kyle's part of it).  When they argue, though, or Kim has been nasty (as on the reunion), I could see Kyle going her own way.  I'd think that would be a tough one for Kyle even today.  How much more can Kim say to hurt her -- especially after all the help Kyle has given her?

 

A part of me has wished for some time that Kim had to live life on her own with no help from either sister.  It sounds so mean-spirited, and I don't say it to be mean.  I think it would show her very, very fast  how much she "takes" from both sisters and how much they give her.  I don't think she has any concept of just how much she depends on the two of them.  In fact, I think she has come to expect it.  If she were entirely on her own, I think it would be quite a surprise to her to find out just how much she needs and how responsible she needs to be.  I'm afraid that she would come face to face with the spoiled child of 50-something that she didn't realize was there.

[zoeysmom]

Thanks, WireWrap.  I knew that I read that.  In fact, later, when I thought about it, I thought I read it twice.  I'm also at fault, though, for maybe not making myself clear enough.  There were rumors about it before Kyle made that statement, and then when Kyle came out with her "package deal" business, it seemed like possibly a confirmation of those rumors, at least in my mind.

 

I've also wondered whether Kyle would say the same thing today, and I wouldn't even hazard a guess about that one!  When Kyle and Kim manage to avoid talking about their differences, I think the two of them are somewhat close (at least for Kyle's part of it).  When they argue, though, or Kim has been nasty (as on the reunion), I could see Kyle going her own way.  I'd think that would be a tough one for Kyle even today.  How much more can Kim say to hurt her -- especially after all the help Kyle has given her?

 

A part of me has wished for some time that Kim had to live life on her own with no help from either sister.  It sounds so mean-spirited, and I don't say it to be mean.  I think it would show her very, very fast  how much she "takes" from both sisters and how much they give her.  I don't think she has any concept of just how much she depends on the two of them.  In fact, I think she has come to expect it.  If she were entirely on her own, I think it would be quite a surprise to her to find out just how much she needs and how responsible she needs to be.  I'm afraid that she would come face to face with the spoiled child of 50-something that she didn't realize was there.

Again for clarity's sake KYLE never used the words "package deal".  This is how rumors persist. I have done my best to give the exact quote.  I don't mean to sound nit-picky but there is a world of difference between the reporter using "package deal" while negotiating and saying, " I think we would stick together no matter what."  It was a strong statement but not an end of one's contract deal.  This is just me if it were truly a package deal it would be in Kyle's contract that Evolution Media SHALL employee Kim Richards during the duration of Kyle Richards' contract.  I guess there could be eight pages of language on what ifs and Kim not agreeing and even Kim's salary coming out of Kyle's.  

 

Since Kim has made it clear that the show exacerbates Kim gentle condition I think it would be a question for Kim's treatment team not Kim's co-stars, agent, sisters or children or even Minty.  Kim may need the money but she will not be rendered homeless without the RHOBH.  She has left rehab before and someone paid the bill and her juicer's at the Beverly Hills Hotel for six months.  It is not as if this is the only way Kim has to make a living.  Her daughter just married well-maybe she can get a position at Fatburgers or even sell real estate for Rick Hilton.  What Kim may have to give up is control.

 

BTW in all fairness when these women start throwing out they are suffering stress and need to drink before filming with the other women I think it is time Evolution cut them loose.  It is amazing to me Brandi can go on pretty much any Podcast and radio show and be totally fine but filming with the others makes her drink?  Sounds like a problem the producers need to address with a termination of contract.

[WireWrap]

Again for clarity's sake KYLE never used the words "package deal".  This is how rumors persist. I have done my best to give the exact quote.  I don't mean to sound nit-picky but there is a world of difference between the reporter using "package deal" while negotiating and saying, " I think we would stick together no matter what."  It was a strong statement but not an end of one's contract deal.  This is just me if it were truly a package deal it would be in Kyle's contract that Evolution Media SHALL employee Kim Richards during the duration of Kyle Richards' contract.  I guess there could be eight pages of language on what ifs and Kim not agreeing and even Kim's salary coming out of Kyle's.  

 

Since Kim has made it clear that the show exacerbates Kim gentle condition I think it would be a question for Kim's treatment team not Kim's co-stars, agent, sisters or children or even Minty.  Kim may need the money but she will not be rendered homeless without the RHOBH.  She has left rehab before and someone paid the bill and her juicer's at the Beverly Hills Hotel for six months.  It is not as if this is the only way Kim has to make a living.  Her daughter just married well-maybe she can get a position at Fatburgers or even sell real estate for Rick Hilton.  What Kim may have to give up is control.

 

BTW in all fairness when these women start throwing out they are suffering stress and need to drink before filming with the other women I think it is time Evolution cut them loose.  It is amazing to me Brandi can go on pretty much any Podcast and radio show and be totally fine but filming with the others makes her drink?  Sounds like a problem the producers need to address with a termination of contract.

No matter what Kyle's exact words were, the impression she gave was that they were a "package deal" but I, myself, was never totally convinced it was in terms of their Bravo contracts. I took it more as her showing sisterly support publicly to Kim after the limo reveal in hopes TPTB were paying attention. I just don't think Kyle ever had that kind of power on this show or that she would ever play hard ball by making demands like that with Bravo or any boss. Kyle is just too much of a people pleaser to make OTT demands with her bosses IMO.

 

I think by now, most viewers realize that Kim is broke without this job but at some point her health has to come before $$$. This is that time, Brooke/husband, can buy a nice home that also has a guest house on the property and Kim can live there rent/utilities free. Monty can leave her a small monthly trust/inheritance so that she can buy food, clothing and whatever daily needs she could have so that she can live a very quiet private life off camera. Kim can do the occasional autograph show and supermarket opening to give her the fan adoration she desires.

 

I agree, if a HW has to drink/drug/self medicate in order to do the show, they need to go.

[BlackMamba]

A part of me has wished for some time that Kim had to live life on her own with no help from either sister. It sounds so mean-spirited, and I don't say it to be mean. I think it would show her very, very fast how much she "takes" from both sisters and how much they give her. I don't think she has any concept of just how much she depends on the two of them. In fact, I think she has come to expect it. If she were entirely on her own, I think it would be quite a surprise to her to find out just how much she needs and how responsible she needs to be. I'm afraid that she would come face to face with the spoiled child of 50-something that she didn't realize was there.

Ha. That's not mean-spirited , thats life.

Kim has always had people baby her, mother her, or nursemaid her. Kim lacks responsibility and independence even at 50 years old.

Another thing Kim is going through is she's an empty nester and doesnt want her children leaving the nest. I will refer once more to the episode back in season 1 of Whitney's spa day, Kim didnt want her to leave for Texas to see her dad. When Kyle didnt back her up she was close ruining Whitney's day that the girl had to tell her to "Drop it."

That scene only told me further the lack of parenting Kim might of contributed when those children were kids. So shes trying to make up for it now as they are adults. Which many of us know it's a wee bit too late.

Edited May 8, 2015 by BlackMamba

[LotusFlower]

No matter what Kyle's exact words were, the impression she gave was that they were a "package deal" but I, myself, was never totally convinced it was in terms of their Bravo contracts. I took it more as her showing sisterly support publicly to Kim after the limo reveal in hopes TPTB were paying attention. I just don't think Kyle ever had that kind of power on this show or that she would ever play hard ball by making demands like that with Bravo or any boss. Kyle is just too much of a people pleaser to make OTT demands with her bosses IMO.

I don't think Kyle ever considered the two of them as a package deal, but I agree with everything else here. Kyle wasn't talking with her agent during contract negotiations, she was asked a question on a TV talk show. Put yourself in her shoes - imagine the feedback if she had said that she and Kim negotiate separately and Kim is on her own. Or anything similar. She would have been skewered! Whether they liked it or not, they were cast to play off of the sister dynamic (I think not), and Kyle's answer simply reflected this. Nothing more.

It astounds me that anyone still thinks Kyle wants Kim to return to the show after everything that's transpired. Kim has done nothing but make Kyle look bad, especially this season, and now the two aren't even talking. Go to bat for Kim now? Why?!

[zoeysmom]

No matter what Kyle's exact words were, the impression she gave was that they were a "package deal" but I, myself, was never totally convinced it was in terms of their Bravo contracts. I took it more as her showing sisterly support publicly to Kim after the limo reveal in hopes TPTB were paying attention. I just don't think Kyle ever had that kind of power on this show or that she would ever play hard ball by making demands like that with Bravo or any boss. Kyle is just too much of a people pleaser to make OTT demands with her bosses IMO.

 

I think by now, most viewers realize that Kim is broke without this job but at some point her health has to come before $$$. This is that time, Brooke/husband, can buy a nice home that also has a guest house on the property and Kim can live there rent/utilities free. Monty can leave her a small monthly trust/inheritance so that she can buy food, clothing and whatever daily needs she could have so that she can live a very quiet private life off camera. Kim can do the occasional autograph show and supermarket opening to give her the fan adoration she desires.

 

I agree, if a HW has to drink/drug/self medicate in order to do the show, they need to go.

Thanks Wire-I agree I do think Kyle was stating they were a deal because they were sisters.  I never thought Kyle gave an ultimatum, which is one of the things I think Brandi holds against Kyle.

 

I can't imagine anyone connected with RHOBH wanting to hear someone has to drink or get high to do the show. 

 

If Kim's addiction is severe enough she can always collect SSI.  I  

[Higgins]

I just understand how Kyle thought it would be a good idea for Kim to do a reality show while dealing with a long term substance abuse problem. Is she really that simple minded?

[LotusFlower]

I just understand how Kyle thought it would be a good idea for Kim to do a reality show while dealing with a long term substance abuse problem. Is she really that simple minded?

Kyle has not shown, at least in my view, that she has a clear understanding of substance abuse problems. But I think it's also clear that Kim has consistently taken advantage of Kyle's lack of knowledge, and manipulated her like she manipulates everybody. Take the Dr. Phil show, for example. Kim stupidly and shortsightedly used viewers' tweets as her excuse for drinking, and when Dr. Phil picked up on this and suggested the show wasn't a healthy choice for her, she quickly changed her tune and said she's "strong when [she] wants to be," and never drinks on the show, and then her daughter piped in and said "no one's stronger than you." In other words, Kim wanted to do the show, so she manipulated Kyle into thinking it would be good for her. It's easy to criticize her for being simple-minded, but the power of manipulation is strong.

[WireWrap]

I just understand how Kyle thought it would be a good idea for Kim to do a reality show while dealing with a long term substance abuse problem. Is she really that simple minded?

To a certain degree, Yes, LOL. I am sure they tried other ways to help Kim, she was in rehab at least 2 times before the show so I see Kyle getting Kim on this show as a desperate, last ditch effort to give Kim something to do other than drugs/alcohol. Having children wasn't enough to get/keep Kim clean/sober but maybe, just maybe, feeding her ego would do the trick. Of course it failed big time but I really believe Kyle thought it would help Kim.

[tabloidlover]

To a certain degree, Yes, LOL. I am sure they tried other ways to help Kim, she was in rehab at least 2 times before the show so I see Kyle getting Kim on this show as a desperate, last ditch effort to give Kim something to do other than drugs/alcohol. Having children wasn't enough to get/keep Kim clean/sober but maybe, just maybe, feeding her ego would do the trick. Of course it failed big time but I really believe Kyle thought it would help Kim.

I concur with this.  I can see Kyle thinking that if Kim had this high profile (relatively speaking, of course) job, she would have something to do, and reason to get/stay sober. 

[BlackMamba]

I just understand how Kyle thought it would be a good idea for Kim to do a reality show while dealing with a long term substance abuse problem. Is she really that simple minded?

Oh when Kyle asked where Kim was before they went to the hash house in Amsterdam.

I concur with this. I can see Kyle thinking that if Kim had this high profile (relatively speaking, of course) job, she would have something to do, and reason to get/stay sober.

AHHHAHA.

Dont be fooled. Kyle wanted Kim to have this job so she could have a steady income coming in since her child support from ex hubbie number 2 was cut off and Kyle was tired giving Kim money too to fed her habit. And like I said an earlier posts maybe Kyle did think this would be a great chance for Kim to use reality tv get her more exposure to other acting opportunities. Either way it blew up in her face!

Edited May 9, 2015 by BlackMamba

[LotusFlower]

Dont be fooled. Kyle wanted Kim to have this job so she could have a steady income coming in since her child support from ex hubbie number 2 was cut off and Kyle was tired giving Kim money too to fed her habit.

Kyle is not her sister's keeper. Or benefactor. And besides, she's not even the "supportive" sister. Or the wealthy one. That would be Kathy.

[thewhiteowl]

 

It astounds me that anyone still thinks Kyle wants Kim to return to the show after everything that's transpired. Kim has done nothing but make Kyle look bad,

 

 I have to disagree with this part. Kim has treated Kyle badly and spoken to her and about like Kyle's a piece of dirt but that IMO has only made Kim look bad not Kyle, I can't stand her but I am finding sympathy for Kyle.