The GCEh?C: Canadian Episodes (Spoilers for Non-Canadians)

[miamama]

50 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

IIRC, there was more to that, mainly him pulling away after Delia died and the fact that they'd had problems before that. If anything, it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Thanks, A. I watched selectively for a long time after Delia's overblown death.

3 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

Not interested in watching Billy ~save~ Phyllis from Big Bad Abusive Jack and declare his undying, innocent love. You were doing so well, show. We were all rooting for you!!!

I don't think this is where they're going. I think Phyllis will rebuff Billy's declarations of love (with enough ambiguity to keep Philly stans hanging on and to give the rest of us indigestion).

Victoria has "decided" on Travis today. But we saw her really fight to get here emotionally. So Billy will keep falling to that "bottom" he never seems to reach and pull Vicki into his drama and thereby bring out some more drama with Travis.

Jack is DONE DONE with Phyllis. But everyone, including Hilary (??!!!) and Nikki (????!!!!!) are telling her to FIGHT FOR HER MARRIAGE.

The cheaters have lost their Big Loves. Either they end up together or they fight to get their Big Loves back. IMO there is more potential story in the latter as well as much more potential for redemption -- but also there is time for the new writing team to come in and decide what they want to do if Billy, Phyllis, Jack, and Victoria are out of sorts relationship-wise.

On Friday's CDN

Spoiler

John visits -- it seems clear in light of today's events that he's here for Jack.

Spoilers for October 3 say

Spoiler

Jack pushes Phyllis away. So she's still at it in two weeks. 

My guess is Jack eases up on Phyllis but does not forgive her or take her back. Maybe she stays on at Jabot and that's it. That means Billy and Phyllis can keep having stupid run-ins thanks to the asinine set-up of Chancellor renting space at Jabot for a rival company while also allowing them to have story with Vicki and Jack respectively.

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

I don't think this is where they're going. I think Phyllis will rebuff Billy's declarations of love (with enough ambiguity to keep Philly stans hanging on and to give the rest of us indigestion).

I'm surprised Phyllis hasn't called him out for acting like a complete douche towards Jack and not having a more appropriate reaction. The fact that she just listens to these love declarations and isn't like, "Why is this dude so unfeeling?" is insane.

Edited September 22, 2016 by HeatLifer

[miamama]

5 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I'm surprised Phyllis hasn't called him out for acting like a complete douche towards Jack and not having a more appropriate reaction. The fact that she just listens to these love declarations and isn't like, "Why is this dude so unfeeling?" is insane.

Yup. It was probably the biggest weakness of the whole Philly affair. But I would live with it if Phyllis was unconsciously (or consciously) punishing Jack. But now she's done with that. So why is she NOT calling Billy out for his complete indifference to Jack? I guess she figures he LOVES her so much. RME.

[babyhouseman]

I have not seen the show yet, but could Phyllis have fallen down the stairs on purpose for sympathy? lol

[miamama]

Hey, it just occurred to me at least we know she's NOT PREGNANT. whew.

[TwistedSoul7]

I don't feel bad whatsoever that Phyllis fell while annoying the ever loving hell out of Jack. Stop harassing this man. You did him wrong. He gets to be pissed for a very long time. And STFU Billy. He talking all that shit. I loved Ashley telling him that the next time he falls in the gutter (and he will!) no one will be there to help his punk ass. He is so annoying. He was even rolling his eyes listening to Neil trying to be a friend. He is legit 12 years old.

[NinjaPenguins]

I don't even understand how Billy can even entertain the notion that Jack would put his hands on his wife like that. I think the nose boop Noah's bumper gave Billy turned on the fuckface switch in his brain. Jack needs to bar Buttbiscuit from the Abbott home and grounds and use a flock of angry geese to chase his concave ass off the property. 

I have just loved Ashley shading and shaming that rancid, off-white viper. I'd kind of like Tracy to join in, but she might go easy on him. 

[miamama]

16 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

I don't feel bad whatsoever that Phyllis fell while annoying the ever loving hell out of Jack. Stop harassing this man. You did him wrong. He gets to be pissed for a very long time. And STFU Billy. He talking all that shit. I loved Ashley telling him that the next time he falls in the gutter (and he will!) no one will be there to help his punk ass. He is so annoying. He was even rolling his eyes listening to Neil trying to be a friend. He is legit 12 years old.

I agree. Phyllis is absolutely harassing Jack. It's nuts. He's not punishing her, seeking her out, being ambivalent. He's being very clear. She fucked his brother for months, lied to his FACE, humiliated him again and again. But she's sorry so he HAS TO FORGIVE HER NOW. Her narcissism knows no bounds.

Hey anyone seeing shades of Rhett and Scarlett? It was my fantasy -stated upthread - that Jack cooly dump her a la Rhett. And Jack actually had a doorway scene (walking away from her declarations of love.) And she had a "I'll win him back" moment. And now a stairway squabble led to a fall. (Though thankfully no baby/miscarriage). 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

ED's extensions know no limits!  She and Abby must be going for the twins look, same color, length!  Love PB's new hair cut, suits his new personality, sharp!

[peacheslatour]

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Hey anyone seeing shades of Rhett and Scarlett? It was my fantasy -stated upthread - that Jack cooly dump her a la Rhett. And Jack actually had a doorway scene (walking away from her declarations of love.) And she had a "I'll win him back" moment. And now a stairway squabble led to a fall. (Though thankfully no baby/miscarriage

That was not lost on me either, heh. 

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[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

I don't even understand how Billy can even entertain the notion that Jack would put his hands on his wife like that.

Why was Billy even there? What does the dude who is still asking Phyllis to be with him have to say to Jack right now? "Neil forced me to come here or he was gonna take away my alcohol. He's a meanie. Anyway, I'm sorry but she loves me and Pratt wants more overexaggerated sex scenes. We good?"

[Artsda]

Phyllis is going to play victim and use this probably to guilt trip Jack. She needs her keys taken away so she can't get in the house, leave the man alone!

I also wish everyone would stop encouraging her. At least Ashley has some sense. 

I guess we got the wrong preview the day before because the reporter comment on abuse/Phyllis in hospital preview is probably supposed to air at the end of today's show?

[TwistedSoul7]

I think Billy went to the mansion to try and make amends with Jack. This was right after Neil's little pep talk. But all that flew out the window when he saw Phyllis laying on the ground. Deep down Billy knows Jack would never but he so filled with rage that Billy will assume the worst because it will make him feel better.

I do love that Jack said the words that Billy took advantage of Phyllis being vulnerable. He might not see it that way but he did. He did the same with Kelly too. He has sex with her instead of being her friend and then even made her feel bad about it (BM's version). Here he is doing it again. He spent so much time pressing Phyllis to pick him that he ignored the fact she never once picked him.

Billy needs a reality check. He almost died and all he has done since is hurt everyone. Ashley's words were 100% correct.

[boes]

I haven't watched this episode yet, but I'm confused.  If Billy walked and found Phyllis on the stairs, why would he think Jack pushed her instead thinking Phyllis was ready for another ButtBiscuit 2 Minute Stairway to Heaven workout?  As I remember it, they generally LOVE the stairs.....

[miamama]

6 minutes ago, boes said:

I haven't watched this episode yet, but I'm confused.  If Billy walked and found Phyllis on the stairs, why would he think Jack pushed her instead thinking Phyllis was ready for another ButtBiscuit 2 Minute Stairway to Heaven workout?  As I remember it, they generally LOVE the stairs.....

Ah...I get it. ButtBiscuit is pissing mad that Jack tried HIS move on the stairs. 

[HeatLifer]

3 hours ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

Deep down Billy knows Jack would never but he so filled with rage that Billy will assume the worst because it will make him feel better.

Rage about what? Not being able to be with Phyllis? This is where the show fails. Billy has NO reason to be pissed at Jack. He has never had a reason throughout this entire story. Unless you count...I guess...jealousy...bc he clearly has been written to have a complex about Jack being "perfect."

Edited September 22, 2016 by HeatLifer

[miamama]

21 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Rage about what? Not being able to be with Phyllis? This is where the show fails. Billy has NO reason to be pissed at Jack. He has never had a reason throughout this entire story. Unless you count...I guess...jealousy...bc he clearly has been written to have a complex about Jack being "perfect."

Which is ridiculous. Jack's bad boy days were legendary, as was his life long desire to please his father and failing. Billy never ever believed Jack was perfect or the "good son." That is a load of garbage. He was a "father figure" -- not someone with whom he competed.

Billy needs to believe Jack would hurt Phyllis so he can justify "being there for her." But it's still all ludicrous. Billy would NOT be treating Jack like this.

And Phyllis in any incarnation would not be reacting to Billy all whimpering and mouse-like. Who The Fuck is this woman?

Why won't Philly die?

I love Jack getting all this screen time lately but Phyllis and Billy have been front burner and central FAR TOO LONG. I don't think I've seen a storyline dominate like this before.

[HeatLifer]

20 minutes ago, miamama said:

Why won't Philly die?

Bc someone there is obsessed with GT/JT. And I'm not saying that in a judgmental way, lol. I really think that's it. And it explains why this show has no problems crapping on the Billy/Jack relationship to do it.

[miamama]

16 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Bc someone there is obsessed with GT/JT. And I'm not saying that in a judgmental way, lol. I really think that's it. And it explains why this show has no problems crapping on the Billy/Jack relationship to do it.

Right. I thought that someone was JFP. We'll know in a few months I guess. I also think JH's departure -- and for a number of weeks the waiting game to see if his pilot got picked up -- played into this. Chadam was getting lots of story and promo until they went into a holding pattern and the attention shifted to Philly.

Focusing on the positive, at least Jack has been brought into the story and we get lots of Jack. For a loooong time it was only GT/JT.

And Sally Sussman/Kay Alden also gives me hope.

[PatsyandEddie]

What a complete assclown ButtBiscuit is! He admitted he didn't see what happened but is all bent on saying that Jack pushed her. FOAD and take NosferaTurd with you.

[HeatLifer]

23 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

What a complete assclown ButtBiscuit is! He admitted he didn't see what happened but is all bent on saying that Jack pushed her. FOAD and take NosferaTurd with you.

They take this character lower and lower. It's like a game to see how far they can go with Billy and if his fans will follow and not turn on him.

Edited September 22, 2016 by HeatLifer

[peacheslatour]

^^^^^^^Kind of like a certain cheeto faced shitgibbon I know.

[HeatLifer]

Chloe defending Billy was freaking hilarious. She's crazy as hell, so it makes sense.

I still can't get over the Philly stuff. These are grown ass adults who CHEATED and Billy is talking about fairytales and Sleeping Beauty and waking her up with a kiss. And the audience is supposed to squee while Jack is insinuated to be a woman beater? And Jack has to see them and walk away? Did the Good Writers take a bathroom break?

[Gam2]

Loving Jack and Ashley the past few days. Finally, they have a story line and some great acting to give us! One lipped, snarling, blinking Phyliss and that supremely uninteresting Billy need to exit stage left. 

[miamama]

10 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Chloe defending Billy was freaking hilarious. She's crazy as hell, so it makes sense.

I still can't get over the Philly stuff. These are grown ass adults who CHEATED and Billy is talking about fairytales and Sleeping Beauty and waking her up with a kiss. And the audience is supposed to squee while Jack is insinuated to be a woman beater? And Jack has to see them and walk away? Did the Good Writers take a bathroom break?

It's asinine.

[HeatLifer]

Just now, miamama said:

It's asinine.

Phyllis cheated on her husband with her brother-in-law for MONTHS. Billy screwed and followed around his brother's wife for MONTHS. Jack finds out. Billy CONTINUES to pursue Phyllis. Phyllis and Jack are still MARRIED. PHILLY get a "romantic" moment at her bedside straight out of a '90s WB tween drama.

I'm too old for this shit.

[Big Blue Plate]

So in classic soap opera whoopsy... why did Phyllis appear to be topless in the elevator?  Was Billy doing VPR?

I also suppose today was wiggle room for Jack's about face on Phyllis?

[miamama]

8 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Phyllis cheated on her husband with her brother-in-law for MONTHS. Billy screwed and followed around his brother's wife for MONTHS. Jack finds out. Billy CONTINUES to pursue Phyllis. Phyllis and Jack are still MARRIED. PHILLY get a "romantic" moment at her bedside straight out of a '90s WB tween drama.

I'm too old for this shit.

Yeah, that's where I go. I was on Twitter and the five Philly stans are indeed squeeing about the prince and sleeping beauty. JFC. I swear these people make me truly ashamed of watching this shit.

Do you think Billy will be the one to spread the rumour Jack beat up Phyllis? Because he hasn't sunk low enough?

And enough with this SHIT. Phyllis needs to leave Jack alone. It's fucking cruel. He has a right to be angry and need to be AWAY from her. How many times did she tell him she needed space from him and ran off to the GCAC when he didn't kiss her ass in the last year? It's so fucking obscene.

He told her four times to let go of his arm before he pulled away from her. He was astonishingly gentle (as always) and we have to endure that POS saying he'll make Jack pay????

Oh god in a serious rage blackout.

[HeatLifer]

9 minutes ago, miamama said:

Yeah, that's where I go. I was on Twitter and the five Philly stans are indeed squeeing about the prince and sleeping beauty. JFC. I swear these people make me truly ashamed of watching this shit.

Billy calling himself a prince was so fucking disgusting. He's the trash on the bottom of a prince's shoe.

10 minutes ago, miamama said:

Do you think Billy will be the one to spread the rumour Jack beat up Phyllis? Because he hasn't sunk low enough?

I think Phyllis will tell him it was an accident.

10 minutes ago, miamama said:

How many times did she tell him she needed space from him and ran off to the GCAC when he didn't kiss her ass in the last year? It's so fucking obscene.

You mean when she asked for space and then fucked his brother?

11 minutes ago, miamama said:

He told her four times to let go of his arm before he pulled away from her. He was astonishingly gentle (as always) and we have to endure that POS saying he'll make Jack pay????

Billy acting like he's Phyllis' savior is too much for me. What's gross is I know this will end with Jack realizing their love is deep and true and accepting them. My only hope is that Pratt's ideas will be shredded and it'll never come to fruition.

[Big Blue Plate]

Come on, ladies... Phyllis won't be exonerating anybody... she's good for at least a week of soapnesia, real and feigned.  Although in the previews, she was looking Prince Horning with something akin to disgust and horror, I that. 

[miamama]

22 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I think Phyllis will tell him it was an accident.

This still may not stop him from maligning Jack because he is a Piece of Shit.

[crowsworks]

How many times did she tell him she needed space from him and ran off to the GCAC when he didn't kiss her ass in the last year? It's so fucking obscene.

You mean when she asked for space and then fucked his brother?

Or ALL the times dear brother Billy 'advised' Jack that he should give Phyllis 'space' and time alone. Now he says Jack wasn't 'there' for her.

[miamama]

Just now, crowsworks said:

How many times did she tell him she needed space from him and ran off to the GCAC when he didn't kiss her ass in the last year? It's so fucking obscene.

You mean when she asked for space and then fucked his brother?

Or ALL the times dear brother Billy 'advised' Jack that he should give Phyllis 'space' and time alone. Now he says Jack wasn't 'there' for her.

Yeah, that too. Fuck this character. Phyllis is shit but she's at least grovelling and taking blame and Jack is allowed to call her out on everything. Why is Billy getting a pass??????? 

[HeatLifer]

2 minutes ago, miamama said:

Yeah, that too. Fuck this character. Phyllis is shit but she's at least grovelling and taking blame and Jack is allowed to call her out on everything. Why is Billy getting a pass??????? 

Phyllis is doing what she should do, yes. But I have a huge problem with all the "I love you, Jack!" "I'm never  gonna stop loving you, Jack!" if she just ends up in Billy's bed again. The show needs to make a choice, I'm sorry. Phyllis cannot be written as just saying whatever floats their boat each and every day. It's what makes her character disingenuous and hard to follow. 

[Big Blue Plate]

I was getting the Gone with the Wind thing too... I think the show has made a choice... it's Jack and Phyllis.  It maybe Christmas before we get there but the actors work well together and there's really no one for PB, unless they're bringing someone in.  But if it wasn't supposed to be Jack and Phyllis in the long run, I think they'd be writing it differently.  Phyllis would be going all Joan Collins as portrayed by Brenda Dickson.  Instead she's all regret. Now be easy enough to get her there but I think they want to milk the drama cow that is J & P.... lots of complications even after they happy couple it again. I just get the feeling the show is working toward telling people stories, not plot. 

[jewel21]

Meh.

Phyllis tripped over her own feet again. Billy walks in and accuses Jack of hurting her. An ambulance is called and Phyllis is brought to the hospital. Billy wants to ride with Phyllis to the hospital but next of kin only so suck it, Billy. 

Phyllis briefly wakes up at the hospital and says Jack's name a few times before passing out again. Stitch tells Paul and Dylan, who are at the hospital, that he's not sure the fall was an accident.

Billy talks to Paul and Dullen and also hints that he doesn't think it was an accident but he didn't actually see what happened. Dullen and Paul question Jack and Jack realizes they are wondering if he pushed Phyllis down the stairs. Jack admits he was mad, wanted Phyllis gone, but he would never put his hands on her. The person he really wants to hurt is Victor, who he blames for all this mess. Dullen's ears perk up at the mention of El Douche.

Chloe is on a 'not' date with Kevin. Earlier Chloe was waxing poetic about Billy, and how it's not fair he's always being blamed for everything. Shut up, Chloe. 

Mariah brings Faith over to Chelsea's place for a sleepover with Connor and Bella. While the kids are upstairs, Mariah and Chelsea eat ice cream and hang out.

Billy goes into Phyllis' room and talks fairytale again with her and gives her a kiss. She of course wakes up. And I vomit and proceed to roll my eyes around the world.

And that's all I can bring myself to recap today. Sorry, folks.

[miamama]

47 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Phyllis is doing what she should do, yes. But I have a huge problem with all the "I love you, Jack!" "I'm never  gonna stop loving you, Jack!" if she just ends up in Billy's bed again. The show needs to make a choice, I'm sorry. Phyllis cannot be written as just saying whatever floats their boat each and every day. It's what makes her character disingenuous and hard to follow. 

Yeah, I agree. That's why I don't think they are going to go back to Billy but as you said upthread we have no reason to trust shit, right? 

I'm going to try and look at it positively because I don't want rage blackouts any more:

Jack said to her yesterday after a series of I love you's: "You are just consumed with guilt and you want me to free you so you can go live your life." And she insists she loves him and that this is NOT guilt. So show is acknowledging this possibility and shooting it down IMO.

Why are they doing this Phyllis begging and pleading and genuinely showing love for Jack? (she's not looking shifty when she tells others she loves Jack; GT is playing it real.) Is this so that Phyllis can be redeemed and then Jack and and the audience accepts her love for Billy? Maybe. But the problem with this scenario is that Billy is not being redeemed. He's being made worse.

He got to say crap to Jack at the foundation meeting and blame Jack for the affair (god almighty) but Ashley was having NONE OF IT. She read him for filth and basically said what we say here. Selfish asshat grow the fuck up and stop blaming everyone else for your mistakes. She even pointed out that Jack NEVER told Phyllis to "get over Marco trauma." I loved that because I've noticed some (mostly Philly-stan) viewers insist that is what Jack did. Nope. He did not. And it's been the excuse for the affair for awhile. But show -- via Ashley -- repudiated that. As has Phyllis. She admitted she knew what she was doing with the affair, that she can't blame Marco or Billy or anyone. She's owning it with Jack.

Neil -- our resident soothsaying AA counsellor -- told Billy (and audience) that he is in an addict spiral. He seemed to get it and was probably going to "make amends" to Jack but then saw Phyllis and jumped back on his wagon of destruction. This bullshit with declaring love to Phyllis and his fantasy of being her prince is part of this destructive path. Phyllis was on it for awhile -- until she snapped out of it just before the reveal. Now she is taking responsibility and wants Jack back because that is healthy. Her flashbacks yesterday were of her good times with Jack. She wasn't fantasizing about Billy and stupid weddings any more. 

Jack saw Billy and Phyllis at he hospital and was clearly hurt and left. I think Phyllis will assure Billy she loves Jack tomorrow. 

They will tease Philly because soaps love triangles and fan wars. But too many characters are talking about Phack's deep and real love. Soaps are not subtle.

17 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

I was getting the Gone with the Wind thing too... I think the show has made a choice... it's Jack and Phyllis.  It maybe Christmas before we get there but the actors work well together and there's really no one for PB, unless they're bringing someone in.  But if it wasn't supposed to be Jack and Phyllis in the long run, I think they'd be writing it differently.  Phyllis would be going all Joan Collins as portrayed by Brenda Dickson.  Instead she's all regret. Now be easy enough to get her there but I think they want to milk the drama cow that is J & P.... lots of complications even after they happy couple it again. I just get the feeling the show is working toward telling people stories, not plot. 

Yes, I agree with all this. I fear Philly Love 2016 might continue because we are traumatized from flip flop writing. But if you look at the past two days' writing in the context of what's been happening in the past few weeks, it isn't heading to the great Philly story. I really don't think it is. There was too much Jack.

Phyllis is being redeemed for Jack. Billy is being made worse so he becomes isolated and destroyed and Vicki will head his way, as she always does.

As well Vicki is way too wrapped up emotionally in Billy of late. Those two keep having these moments. And Billy also has Chloe as a potential love interest. And of course Travis is in the mix. There is plenty of story for them. Jack will be all about Phyllis. Long and slow and emotional. And show HAS to see that PB and GT can bring that kind of story. 

11 minutes ago, jewel21 said:

Phyllis briefly wakes up at the hospital and says Jack's name a few times before passing out again.

Okay, another Gone with the Wind moment. A semi-conscious Scarlett (after her stairs tumble) muttering Rhett's name. Rhett, who doesn't hear this (no one does), thinking she doesn't want him. 

Edited September 23, 2016 by miamama

[Big Blue Plate]

At least if they're copying somebody's homework they're copying Gone with the Wind, not Jackie Collins' Lucky Bitches or whatever. 

[boes]

Just now, Big Blue Plate said:

At least if they're copying somebody's homework they're copying Gone with the Wind, not Jackie Collins' Lucky Bitches or whatever. 

You're right.  Only ButtBiscuit is going the Jackie Collins route.

[miamama]

Jesus my last post was long.

You have a life, bro?

[Big Blue Plate]

So, random nothing but I don't get the intense hate of you guys for Billy.  I don't particularly like him and I think what he did was shitty.... I didn't know the actor from GH and I know - and agree - most gifts courtesy the unnamed JFP should be returned to sender - but I think he's sometimes an interesting actor and like that in some respects he looks more like Jill than he does John.  

I guess what I can't get past is I don't particularly like... here come the knives.... Peter Bergman.  I don't hate him but I find his style really really hammy no matter what crap they hand him to act with.  He's either sounding Joshua's trumpet or soooooooo paiiiiinfulllllly siiiiiinceeeeeeeeere he puts me off.  He's over the top.  Peter Bergman, who I think is a real gentleman and nice guy, makes me feel like I'm watching a silent movie star too much of the time.  I never really buy him and Phyllis as a couple.   Wimp, pretendy John Jack could never get, let alone keep, Phyllis (certainly not Xbox Phyllis, but not even I can actually act Phyllis.)  He worked for me before with some other actresses, like the Patty shrink chick, but he always seems to be trying so hard to give it that it feels like too much for me.  I guess I never really bought that asshole, step mom screwing, secret Jabot stock exchange listing, Diane bonking, virgin bride Patti marrying Jack turned so wholly into pretendy John (who I quite loved overall, save for his sad propensity to marry every stray cat or Les Mis girl logo who showed up at or around 603 Glenwood Drive with a sad story and an ivory dress.  But I guess Jill gave him such a good seeing to his judgement was permanently impaired.  And of course his circulatory system speaks for itself. 

So yeah, Billy's been a dick and I don't think Jack should ever really totally forgive him.  Who could, in actual life?  I'd just like to see Jack talking so fucking much and do something.  It was dumb to have him announce he was gonna do in Victor.  Just start blood doing it.  I was giggling along with Victor.  And I hate Victor. 

Ducks. 

[boes]

19 minutes ago, miamama said:

Jesus my last post was long.

You have a life, bro?

Your posts are never long, they're wonderful. 

You got that, Miamamma?  Haveanicedaynow.

[DivaT]

37 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

So, random nothing but I don't get the intense hate of you guys for Billy.  I don't particularly like him and I think what he did was shitty.... I didn't know the actor from GH and I know - and agree - most gifts courtesy the unnamed JFP should be returned to sender - but I think he's sometimes an interesting actor and like that in some respects he looks more like Jill than he does John.  

I guess what I can't get past is I don't particularly like... here come the knives.... Peter Bergman.  I don't hate him but I find his style really really hammy no matter what crap they hand him to act with.  He's either sounding Joshua's trumpet or soooooooo paiiiiinfulllllly siiiiiinceeeeeeeeere he puts me off.  He's over the top.  Peter Bergman, who I think is a real gentleman and nice guy, makes me feel like I'm watching a silent movie star too much of the time.  I never really buy him and Phyllis as a couple.   Wimp, pretendy John Jack could never get, let alone keep, Phyllis (certainly not Xbox Phyllis, but not even I can actually act Phyllis.)  He worked for me before with some other actresses, like the Patty shrink chick, but he always seems to be trying so hard to give it that it feels like too much for me.  I guess I never really bought that asshole, step mom screwing, secret Jabot stock exchange listing, Diane bonking, virgin bride Patti marrying Jack turned so wholly into pretendy John (who I quite loved overall, save for his sad propensity to marry every stray cat or Les Mis girl logo who showed up at or around 603 Glenwood Drive with a sad story and an ivory dress.  But I guess Jill gave him such a good seeing to his judgement was permanently impaired.  And of course his circulatory system speaks for itself. 

So yeah, Billy's been a dick and I don't think Jack should ever really totally forgive him.  Who could, in actual life?  I'd just like to see Jack talking so fucking much and do something.  It was dumb to have him announce he was gonna do in Victor.  Just start blood doing it.  I was giggling along with Victor.  And I hate Victor. 

Ducks. 

Ducking with you.

 

I like Jack and Peter Bergman. But not nearly as much as it appears from this board that I should. 

 

I don't like Billy or JT much. mainly cause of the writing for the former and the pet status for the latter. But I don't think he's as terrible as I should by the comments on this board.

Edited September 23, 2016 by DivaT

[HeatLifer]

In short: I don't like characters who do bad things and don't pay for them. I don't find that to be enjoyable television. 

So, if Billy screws his brother's wife and shows no remorse, I don't think that character should be referring to himself as a prince and awakening his Sleeping Beauty sister-in-law with a kiss to flowery music while accusing his brother of being a wife beater.

That is where the show loses me.

[miamama]

26 minutes ago, DivaT said:

Ducking with you.

 

I like Jack and Peter Bergman. But not nearly as much as it appears from this board that I should. 

 

I don't like Billy or JT much. mainly cause of the writing for the former and the pet status for the latter. But I don't think he's as terrible as I should by the comments on this board.

What's this "should" business? I walk into a party and everyone goes on about how much they love Donald Trump. Clearly I'm in the wrong party. Some people would enjoy hanging out and debating. Not me. I have enough aggravation at work and in the stresses of "real life." Sometimes I want to go where everyone knows my name and has similar taste/values. This is that place for me. There are lots of boards with PB hate. I don't hang out there because it is not fun for me.

No one will "attack" you for who you like here. Ask @crosby777. :)

[boes]

1 hour ago, Big Blue Plate said:

So, random nothing but I don't get the intense hate of you guys for Billy.  I don't particularly like him and I think what he did was shitty.... I didn't know the actor from GH and I know - and agree - most gifts courtesy the unnamed JFP should be returned to sender - but I think he's sometimes an interesting actor and like that in some respects he looks more like Jill than he does John.  

I guess what I can't get past is I don't particularly like... here come the knives.... Peter Bergman.  I don't hate him but I find his style really really hammy no matter what crap they hand him to act with.  He's either sounding Joshua's trumpet or soooooooo paiiiiinfulllllly siiiiiinceeeeeeeeere he puts me off.  He's over the top.  Peter Bergman, who I think is a real gentleman and nice guy, makes me feel like I'm watching a silent movie star too much of the time.  I never really buy him and Phyllis as a couple.   Wimp, pretendy John Jack could never get, let alone keep, Phyllis (certainly not Xbox Phyllis, but not even I can actually act Phyllis.)  He worked for me before with some other actresses, like the Patty shrink chick, but he always seems to be trying so hard to give it that it feels like too much for me.  I guess I never really bought that asshole, step mom screwing, secret Jabot stock exchange listing, Diane bonking, virgin bride Patti marrying Jack turned so wholly into pretendy John (who I quite loved overall, save for his sad propensity to marry every stray cat or Les Mis girl logo who showed up at or around 603 Glenwood Drive with a sad story and an ivory dress.  But I guess Jill gave him such a good seeing to his judgement was permanently impaired.  And of course his circulatory system speaks for itself. 

So yeah, Billy's been a dick and I don't think Jack should ever really totally forgive him.  Who could, in actual life?  I'd just like to see Jack talking so fucking much and do something.  It was dumb to have him announce he was gonna do in Victor.  Just start blood doing it.  I was giggling along with Victor.  And I hate Victor. 

Ducks. 

 

40 minutes ago, DivaT said:

Ducking with you.

 

I like Jack and Peter Bergman. But not nearly as much as it appears from this board that I should. 

 

I don't like Billy or JT much. mainly cause of the writing for the former and the pet status for the latter. But I don't think he's as terrible as I should by the comments on this board.

No need to duck, we don't throw things at fellow preverts!

Now, we may tickle you a bit, though.....

[DivaT]

48 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

In short: I don't like characters who do bad things and don't pay for them. I don't find that to be enjoyable television. 

So, if Billy screws his brother's wife and shows no remorse, I don't think that character should be referring to himself as a prince and awakening his Sleeping Beauty sister-in-law with a kiss to flowery music while accusing his brother of being a wife beater.

That is where the show loses me.

Pratt does that. The folks who do bad things never pay under his pen. Billy should be remorseful but he's not. That's where the show loses me. He doesn't care. And they've yet to explain why. 

Edited September 23, 2016 by DivaT

[DivaT]

25 minutes ago, miamama said:

What's this "should" business? I walk into a party and everyone goes on about how much they love Donald Trump. Clearly I'm in the wrong party. Some people would enjoy hanging out and debating. Not me. I have enough aggravation at work and in the stresses of "real life." Sometimes I want to go where everyone knows my name and has similar taste/values. This is that place for me. There are lots of boards with PB hate. I don't hang out there because it is not fun for me.

No one will "attack" you for who you like here. Ask @crosby777. :)

LOL. 

I just meant that there is a lot of waxing about PB and Jack and I just don't feel all this brilliance. The "should" means I'm just wondering what I'm missing that everyone else is seeing. 

[bannana]

I love Jack, and I even love the recent nice Jack, before all this happened.  And yet I never liked Cliff Warner on AMC.  So I think I like the character not the actor.  And the character grew up and became a man.  This is why I dislike Billy, yet I liked JT on GH.  The character is a complete child, he is seriously acting like a teenager or a man in his early twenties. I seem to recall when Billy screwed Sharon, who Jack was also dating, he was quite sheepish and remorseful.  That is the Billy we know.  Even after Delia's death, and his ridiculous behaviour then, that Billy still had something endearing about him, as much I wanted him to snap out of it.  This Billy is not Billy.  The things he said to Jack this week Billy would never have said.  And so Show is messing me up because I want to like Billy, I want to root for him, but he is an immature asshole with zero redeeming qualities.  At least BM gave Billy some charm and charisma.

So for me, I guess it is the characters, not the actors, as I was not a PB fan and I was JT fan!

I don't think we have ever run off someone who liked a character we loathe, but we don't have a lot of Prick lovers here!

[HeatLifer]

What @bannana said.

And I still love JT. I've been a fan way before YR to effect that. My problem has always been less him (although a lot of his choices kinda confuse me, but I blame the writing) than the character.

Edited September 23, 2016 by HeatLifer