The Crazed Spruce October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 Quote Driven to the edge, Dex loses his way until he's offered a lifeline by Fisk. Matt comes to Karen for help, which she agrees to give -- on one condition. Link to comment
Lady Calypso October 20, 2018 Share October 20, 2018 Well, that hit the halfway point to the season. I guess I should have expected it to go down like that, yet it was still somewhat surprising. The fight at the end was fantastic. I think what might have helped clear Matt's name was....y'know, not disappearing after the fight and getting back into his Matt Murdock suit. I don't know for sure if Matt's name is cleared, though I doubt it is. Either way, now Matt can't be Matt OR Daredevil so he's kind of stuck. Great meeting with Karen and Maggie. I'm glad Karen also got to hash it out with Matt and especially see how he's changed since Midland Circle. Can I point out that the FBI aren't very smart? 1 4 Link to comment
thuganomics85 October 21, 2018 Share October 21, 2018 The fight between Matt and Dexdevil (sorry!) was great. Almost darkly comical with the way Dex was using office supplies to his advantage, but I thought they overall did a good job at showing how big of a threat Dex is, but not neutering Matt because he got a lot of great licks in as well, and it easily could have gone the other way. The eventual rematch better be epic! So, now Karen and Matt's biggest hope at clearing his name is totally dead, but do we know what happened to Mitchell? It look like he was clutching his stomach when he fell, so I'm kind of worried for him since Dex clearly had no issues killing the rest of the newspaper employees. Fisk has now gotten the majority of his fancy stuff back, I see. Still making the FBI come off like a bunch of pushovers. Karen/Maggie was great, but granted almost every scene with Maggie has been the best this season. 3 Link to comment
MadyGirl1987 October 21, 2018 Share October 21, 2018 That was an amazing fight between Matt and Dex. Don’t know much about Bullseye from the comics, but he is definitely not someone to be messed with! When Nadeem came into the office, the lights turned on and you saw the carnage was well done. Correct me if I’m wrong, but when the FBI first comes in the Bulletin, is the old guy who comes out when before they go through those double doors Stan Lee? It looks like him, but in these shows his cameos are usually background Easter Eggs... 2 Link to comment
Kel Varnsen October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 5 hours ago, thuganomics85 said: Fisk has now gotten the majority of his fancy stuff back, I see. Still making the FBI come off like a bunch of pushovers. Yea I can't belive he totally redecorated the apartment and no one said a thing. Especially considering they said that all his assets were seized and he has no money. Although getting him in the white suit was hilarious and awesome. 4 hours ago, MadyGirl1987 said: That was an amazing fight between Matt and Dex. Don’t know much about Bullseye from the comics, but he is definitely not someone to be messed with! When Nadeem came into the office, the lights turned on and you saw the carnage was well done. That fight was amazing. Just so brutal and fast. Only thing that kind of bugged was the hitting Matt from behind the cubicle wall with the bank shot when Dex couldn't see him. I know he never misses but how are you supppsed to aim at something you can't see? I did kind of smile though when Dex pointed the gun at Karen. Because if he hurts her he might have to worry about Matt. But he would also then have to worry about another guy who is also a vet who is even crazier and even deadlier than he is. And if there is one person left in the entire MCU whose harm would get Frank Castle murdering again it is Karen Page. 1 7 Link to comment
MisterGlass October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 I wondered if new of this incident would provoke an appearance of Frank. I didn't see the copycat Daredevil coming. Well played, Fisk. That was painful to see. I feel like threatening the witness before rather than during the testimony does not make it less coerced. They are name checking journalistic integrity but not really displaying it as well as they might. 1 Link to comment
Cthulhudrew October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 Is Ellis dead? I hope not, because other than his blindspot when it comes to Karen, he's a cool character. He sure didn't seem to be moving much at all, though. I can't help but think Matt would have been better off ditching the mask and just being there when the FBI showed up. Having their chief suspect lying in a pool of his own blood at the scene of the murder of another witness against Fisk probably wouldn't have hurt his case any. Speaking of, I don't see how having "Daredevil" show up to kill said witness helps Fisk out very much. This pretty much has to confirm to the FBI that he's up to shady business, and at the very least I'd expect them to do some hard digging for evidence to shut him down again. I can't see how his denials would help him out now. That was a pretty badass fight, though. As unrealistic as Bullseye's patented "every object is a lethal weapon in his hands" shtick really, is, it was still kind of cool to see them go no-holds-barred with it here. 1 Link to comment
Sakura12 October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 I'm probably in the minority of not really feeling this season. I'm kind of bored. It's also probably that I was never that enamored with Fisk and he's getting a lot of screentime and he bores me. The Matt vs fake Daredevil (aka Bullseye) was cool but that took 6 episodes. And with the way Netflix is acting there probably won't be another season. They didn't even advertise this nor put it on the front page. I had to search to find it. 1 Link to comment
benteen October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 Wow, what a fight. It was awesome and brutal and I was impressed with how it came off, with Matt clearly being the superior hand-to-hand fighter but having his advantage nullified by Dex's long-distance skills. It felt like a comic book fight and I mean that as a compliment. Great episode! 1 4 Link to comment
Danny Franks October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 Heh. Karen's reaction when she saw that it was Matt sneaking into her apartment was spot on. A surge of relief, followed immediately by 'are you fucking kidding me?' and exasperation. And she didn't even let him trot out the "I needed to protect you" cliche that superhero vigilantes love so much. And Foggy seems to have Matt figured out quite well. All this 'I don't need anyone, I'm better alone' stuff is macho posturing. He wants those connections, but can barely even admit it to himself. I liked the scene between Sister Maggie and Karen. Seems like Maggie is set on helping Matt fix his life, even if he claims not to want it. "One night Matthew called for help and I didn't answer... he never asked us for anything again. Everyone in Matthew's life abandoned him, including me." Pretty effective combination of guilt trip and appeal to Karen's feelings for Matt. And Karen and Matt feel far more like equals now, than they did in the first two seasons. Partly because Karen knows he's Daredevil, and partly because she has found her own strength, and her own purpose. The FBI are definitely coming off very poorly in this show. They might as well be working for Fisk directly, at this point. And he's not even paying them, like he does all the corrupt cops and prison guards. He gets all his home comforts back because... what? He said some minor lawyer from Hell's Kitchen was working for him? Dex looks so bush league, whenever he's dealing with Fisk. It's easy to see how Fisk is manipulating him, without doing or saying anything. And then Fisk demonstrates just how similar he and Dex are, right down to Fisk being so awkward when it came to talking to Vanessa. And so Dex sees what a man like him can achieve, with the right guidance. But I wish it hadn't taken six episodes to see him actually being a villain. Because that was a great fight scene. Two clearly contrasting styles, with Matt obviously the better fighter, but Dex able to use random objects and to throw, and keep Matt off balance. Really hope he's not a one-season-and-done villain, because they have the makings of a longstanding rivalry. Thing is, I thought there would be some confusion for Karen and Foggy over whether the new, brutal Daredevil was actually Matt, in no-longer-cares-about-people mode, but that was one predictable idea that they sidestepped. I guess I'm glad of that. 1 6 Link to comment
blueray October 25, 2018 Share October 25, 2018 Quote Thing is, I thought there would be some confusion for Karen and Foggy over whether the new, brutal Daredevil was actually Matt, in no-longer-cares-about-people mode, but that was one predictable idea that they sidestepped. I guess I'm glad of that I was glad when Foggy and Karen realized that it wasn't Matt right away. Foggy was sitting at him when Dex started to attack and Karen quickly realized it as she knows Matt wouldn't have shot the witness without his statement. I do wish that Matt just stayed under the desk, as this would clear his name right away. As he would have been clearly a victim of "daredevil" and clearly didn't attack any of those people. I was hoping the FBI guy would realize it but instead they had him go "it was daredevil" facepalm. I feel like they already did the whole blame Daredevil in season 1. 3 Link to comment
moonshine71 October 25, 2018 Share October 25, 2018 6 hours ago, blueray said: I was glad when Foggy and Karen realized that it wasn't Matt right away. Foggy was sitting at him when Dex started to attack and Karen quickly realized it as she knows Matt wouldn't have shot the witness without his statement. I do wish that Matt just stayed under the desk, as this would clear his name right away. As he would have been clearly a victim of "daredevil" and clearly didn't attack any of those people. I was hoping the FBI guy would realize it but instead they had him go "it was daredevil" facepalm. I feel like they already did the whole blame Daredevil in season 1. The police/FBI didn't suspect Matt of being Daredevil or attacking anyone, there was no reason to clear his name of that. He was turning himself in for questioning because Fisk had id'd Matt Murdock as a corrupt lawyer. 2 Link to comment
MissL November 1, 2018 Share November 1, 2018 I too was waiting for Matt to just pull that mask off and be laying there bleeding and let FBI find him that way. I mean what proof is there beyond Fisk saying he did it to get Matt in trouble? That one case? Are they afraid Fisk is going to plant evidence? If so how does one guy saying he shanked Fisk on purpose clear Matt? Yeah it shows Fisk was playing the FBI to get out of jail but ok...so he didn't want to be in jail and he played dirty to get out...the people Fisk has turned in are still actual criminals. The FBI will look like idiots and they'll put Fisk back in jail but I don't think it would totally clear Matt. Maybe call into question the validity of Fisks statement but that's it. Link to comment
RainbowBrite November 1, 2018 Share November 1, 2018 Wasn't Matt legitimately in the building already, turning himself in as agreed upon? Isn't it more suspicious now that he disappeared? I do not understand why he didn't stay... Link to comment
moonshine71 November 2, 2018 Share November 2, 2018 12 hours ago, RainbowBrite said: Wasn't Matt legitimately in the building already, turning himself in as agreed upon? Isn't it more suspicious now that he disappeared? I do not understand why he didn't stay... Matt was turning himself in because Jasper was coming forward to expose Fisk, which would conceivably damage Fisk's claims about Matt. With Jasper dead, Matt turning himself in would possibly just lead to him being taken into custody for an extended period of time and Fisk still operating freely. 1 Link to comment
Anela November 4, 2018 Share November 4, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 9:46 AM, Sakura12 said: I'm probably in the minority of not really feeling this season. I'm kind of bored. It's also probably that I was never that enamored with Fisk and he's getting a lot of screentime and he bores me. The Matt vs fake Daredevil (aka Bullseye) was cool but that took 6 episodes. And with the way Netflix is acting there probably won't be another season. They didn't even advertise this nor put it on the front page. I had to search to find it. I had to search for it, too. And House of Cards. They used to both be on the front page, as soon as new seasons showed up. Link to comment
marcee November 6, 2018 Share November 6, 2018 For what it's worth, both Daredevil and House of Cards were on the front page for me (for quite some time). 1 Link to comment
CertainJewel November 6, 2018 Share November 6, 2018 I think if you have your own profile you will get better suggestions. Daredevil was in front for me "new episodes"! 3 Link to comment
Catfi9ht November 12, 2018 Share November 12, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 9:46 AM, Sakura12 said: I'm probably in the minority of not really feeling this season. I'm kind of bored. It's also probably that I was never that enamored with Fisk and he's getting a lot of screentime and he bores me. The Matt vs fake Daredevil (aka Bullseye) was cool but that took 6 episodes. And with the way Netflix is acting there probably won't be another season. They didn't even advertise this nor put it on the front page. I had to search to find it. I'm right there with ya. I am really disappointed with how the quality of this season is really sub-par compared to the other two seasons. There was something off about this season for me from the beginning. The show looked and sounded like Daredevil but didn't feel like Daredevil. I'm a little obsessive when it comes to recognizing and paying attention to writing staff on good shows. I looked on IMDB for the first six episodes, and every writer listed is new to this show. I'm not sure what happened, but the fact that there is no continuity in the writer's room (so far at least) between last season and this one is noticeable. To pick on Dylan Gallagher, writer for episode 6, this is his first writing credit. His other credits are as a writing assistant on Cloak and Dagger. I think this is a perfect example of why the writing is so off for this season. I firmly believe the writers are just as important as the actors, and I realize I'm in the minority when it comes to paying attention writing staff on a show. I think the writers had good ideas for some of the major plot points but have fallen drastically short on writing the details. The fact there are several novice writers on this show is magnified when it comes to fleshing out character complexity and dialogue. Several of the issues/discrepancies have already been pointed out from other posters, but here's a quick and dirty list: 1. The complete incompetence of the FBI 2. Dex being on anti-psychotic meds and making it as an FBI SWAT agent 3. The inmates in episode 3 running around in prison willy-nilly (I suspect this was only to setup Matt's fight/escape sequence). 4. Fisk magically having money and decorating his apartment without the FBI saying anything. 5. The FBI taking Fisk's word that Matt Murdoch was behind everything. I'm sure there's more but that's a pretty long list for a handful of episodes. Overall, Daredevil has suffered from the same thing as JJ season 2. Good ideas; poor execution. What a shame. To end on a good note, the actors are excellent as usual, and I think the chemistry between Matt, Foggy, and Karen has been great this season. 3 Link to comment
Ottis November 21, 2018 Share November 21, 2018 (edited) After a fantastic opening four episodes, some aspects of this season are beginning to disappoint. First is Karen, who is so courageous and yet so emotionally silly when it comes to Matt. So accusatory, so willing to blame instead of ask questions. And her dramatic looks, and wave to her newspaper colleague. She always seems a half step from either a breakdown or a song. And for pete’s sake, will someone stop her from crying? Dex is way too unstable to be an FBI agent. I guess he becomes something... a villain? But he can beat Daredevil, so... yay? Daredevil needs a power up. Fisk so far has returned to his first half of season one self. So relentless, so thorough. My only disappointment is that physically he isn’t as strong as he should be, IMO. Making Matt a pretend bad guy is incredibly annoying. And I know these fights are a key part of DD’s character , but no interest in the long ones. Let’s just get to the impact. The nun is a great addition. As is her interaction with Matt. Even with its flaws so far, this season of DD is far superior to Iron Fist and JJ season 2. And a bit better than Luke Cage. So the female FBI boss has been bought by Fisk. Has to be, right? Man, one thing you don’t want is for Fisk to tell you a story. Edited November 22, 2018 by Ottis Link to comment
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