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10 hours ago, Eolivet said:

Someone here once wisely said I never trust what people say off the island, I trust the reactions they have onscreen in the moment. Mike called it annoying, and the editing framed it as such. For whatever reason, the show chose not to air Kara's reaction. For whatever reason, the show is not choosing to air all these close relationships Angelina and others claim she had.

Nick's post brings up a larger issue I have with contestants trying to rewrite their stories during the season, on social media or elsewhere. I get it's a highly edited show, but this whole "no, no, you guys didn't have the whole story" is ridiculous. This isn't Big Brother with live feeds. I know it's impossible, but in some ways, I wish contestants were forbidden from discussing the show on social media (or in interviews with Dalton Ross, sigh).  It ends up being nothing but revisionist history that keeps telling me not to believe my own lying eyes.

I've seen Survivor contestants who barely said two words to each other get married, I've seen showmances break up, I've seen bitter rivals get a place together. To me, none of that negates what we see on the show. Nick's praise of Angelina should be irrelevant. The last time we saw them interact at all, he called her a "sketch-ball" in a confessional -- was he lying then or is he lying now?

In some ways, I wish Angelina would lean in to her negative edit (I found her tweet to her husband about "can I have your jacket" sort of clever). There's no doubt she's extremely well-liked offscreen -- I don't dispute that. But pushing back against an edit is just defensive and weird. Your edit is your edit. Your real life is your real life. Nary the twain should meet.

 

Oh I agree that exit interviews or mid season interviews, social media, etc should be taken with a grain of salt. However, Yes the edit is the edit but the edit is also only what the producers choose to show you and we know over the years that often times what they shows is manipulated in many dishonest ways.  One example being when they splice two sentences from two different conversations and then create their own sentence that fits the story they want to tell. Or they air part of a confessional that really happened on day 3 but air it as if it happened on day 6.  They have even shown conversations between players that happened at the merge but were placed in a prior episode when the tribes were still swapped.  I have talked many many times about how air facial reactions out of context. The point being that no they don't tell us the whole story. You bring up a good example.  If that Kara secret scene didn't exist you would think the whole tribe felt the way that Mike did about about Angelina's negotiation.  People would call it revisionist history when Nick comes to her defense on social media or Carl did in his exit interviews.  But know we know from that Kara secret scene that atleast one person on that tribe didn't see it the way Mike did and that evidence is taken from the same time Mike made his comments. The only question is how did the others see at the time?  Not sure if anyone else brought it up in any other secret scenes.  So is Nick's post revisionist history or did he feel the same way as Kara?  And speaking of Nick, yes, he called her a "skechball" on day 14 or whatever after that Lyrsa jacket situation.  No doubt about that  But does he feel the same way two weeks later? I don't know.  He might still feel the same way or after spending the last two weeks with her his views of her might have changed. We don't know. We have seen people hate each other on day 3 and then love each other by day 30.  Jerri and Parvati in HvV is the best example of this.

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You may recall, during the TC where Alec was voted out, Christian was speaking about "Calculated Risk" when Angelina spoke up about "Calculated Decisions". Since Ang has talked about her areas of study at Yale, I wanted to see just how much she really knew about these scientific areas of study. So, for anyone who may be interested ......

I Googled "wiki calculated decisions" and there was not a single entry for the phrase "calculated decisions".  In fact, it looks like the phrase "calculated decisions" was replaced throughout the Google text by the phrase "Optimal Decision" which may be some recognized topic or field of study.  When I searched for "calculated decisions" (instead of "wiki calculated decisions", there were several entries. But none of them seemed to be referring to any existing field of study. Most of them appeared to reference the ordinary English language as in, "I made an ordinary decision but someone else did some calculations which helped them make a better decision because it was a calculated decision.

I tried to find scientific terms in Wikipedia first because I find that ordinary people contribute more articles to Wikipidea than do professionals. I'm not certain why. Perhaps it's because professionals expect to get paid for their articles. Bottom line? I don't believe Angelina was referring to some formal or well-known field of study called "Calculated Decisions". Christian had used the term "Calculated Risk" and maybe Angelina forgot exactly what he said and used the term "Calculated Decision" because it was the closest she could come to "Calculated Risk".

IMO, the main point is that Angelina was trying to take the spotlight off Christian and put it onto herself. She is still angry about how she was ignored when she suggested voting off Jeremy and her group voted off Jessica, but when another man made the same suggestion a few days later, her group went along with him.  I believe she remains furious about that and in some warped way, she keeps trying to take the spotlight off other people and put it onto herself.

It's as if she keeps calling out, "Christian isn't the only one who can use big words, I can use them too (Salient). Chris isn't the only one who knows about scientific terms. I know about them too. I went to YaleYALE! or was it Stanford?  STANFORD! You all listen to him instead of me because he's a male and I'm a female. But it's like Carl says,  "It's just that simple!"

In a very cunning way (but also a very transparent way), she kept trying to put the spotlight on herself because she made some great negotiation with Jeff and she sacrificed her chance for immunity so the other people could have rice.  More than once she said she did not want to make a big deal out of her sacrifice and her negotiation. But did you notice that she said this while she was making a big deal out of her sacrifice and her negotiation?

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8 hours ago, MisterBluxom said:

IMO, the main point is that Angelina was trying to take the spotlight off Christian and put it onto herself. She is still angry about how she was ignored when she suggested voting off Jeremy and her group voted off Jessica, but when another man made the same suggestion a few days later, her group went along with him.  I believe she remains furious about that and in some warped way, she keeps trying to take the spotlight off other people and put it onto herself.

It's as if she keeps calling out, "Christian isn't the only one who can use big words, I can use them too (Salient). Chris isn't the only one who knows about scientific terms. I know about them too. I went to YaleYALE! or was it Stanford?  STANFORD! You all listen to him instead of me because he's a male and I'm a female. But it's like Carl says,  "It's just that simple!"

In a very cunning way (but also a very transparent way), she kept trying to put the spotlight on herself because she made some great negotiation with Jeff and she sacrificed her chance for immunity so the other people could have rice.  More than once she said she did not want to make a big deal out of her sacrifice and her negotiation. But did you notice that she said this while she was making a big deal out of her sacrifice and her negotiation?

 

 

Yeah it is almost like she is trying to win the game of Survivor and letting the jury, you know the people who decide who wins, of what she is doing in the game so that they might vote for her in the end. All players are trying to do this at tribal council and if they are not doing it they are dumb.

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23 minutes ago, LanceM said:

Yeah it is almost like she is trying to win the game of Survivor and letting the jury, you know the people who decide who wins, of what she is doing in the game so that they might vote for her in the end. All players are trying to do this at tribal council and if they are not doing it they are dumb.

Yeah, but doing so in such a blatant manner has been known to backfire.  If you need to get someone’s attention, slapping them across the face with a wet trout would probably be a pretty damn effective way to do so - but I doubt they’d thank you for it later.  ;)

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52 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Yeah, but doing so in such a blatant manner has been known to backfire.  If you need to get someone’s attention, slapping them across the face with a wet trout would probably be a pretty damn effective way to do so - but I doubt they’d thank you for it later.  ;)

Oh I agree. I am certainly not arguing that jury was buying what she was selling. I am just finding it odd that some are criticizing her for actually bringing it up at tribal council which as I aid is exactly that time that she should be doing it.

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58 minutes ago, LanceM said:

Oh I agree. I am certainly not arguing that jury was buying what she was selling. I am just finding it odd that some are criticizing her for actually bringing it up at tribal council which as I aid is exactly that time that she should be doing it.

I did criticize her.  I criticized her because I believe she was being dishonest.  I think she was trying to say that she deserved praise and recognition because she negotiated with Jeff for rice and she sacrificed her chance at immunity so the others could have rice to eat. I believe you are entirely correct that she did that to get jury votes. But she made only the most glancing remarks about her negotiation and her sacrifice because that was not what they were talking about.  IMO, she tried to "slip one past the others" and I think that reeked of dishonesty.

She didn't come right out and admit what she was trying to do. She subverted the discussion and only mentioned herself in the most "offhand" manner. She said she didn't want to "make a big deal" about her negotiation and sacrifice. But she did that while she was making a big deal about her negotiation and sacrifice.  (although to the best of my recollection, she did that shortly before the TC - not at the TC).

Bottom line? I despise this entitled brat and I fear she might actually win this game by "bamboozling" the others into believing that she is a great player and a great humanitarian when the truth is that she is an entitled brat who freaks out when she doesn't get her way and tries all kinds of trickery to try to bamboozle the others into believing the B.S. she is selling.  But to be honest, I sure do hope the odds of her succeeding in her "Big Bamboozle" are close to zero.

Thank goodness she will never bamboozle Allison.  Allison sees right through her.  She has Angelina nailed dead to rights. 

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If Angelina makes it to the end and tries to use the whole sacrificing immunity for rice again, I hope someone on the jury asks if she had the tribe's best interest at heart when she sat the previous immunity challenge out for nachos.  

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2 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

If Angelina makes it to the end and tries to use the whole sacrificing immunity for rice again, I hope someone on the jury asks if she had the tribe's best interest at heart when she sat the previous immunity challenge out for nachos.  

To which she could respond; "no, that was a strategic move solely for my benefit.  I had strong enough bonds to be safe during the vote, and it gave me the opportunity to form an even stronger bond with Nick [and Carl] AND get much needed calories.  In hindsight, I bet you* and a few other jurors wish you made the same decision."

From the description of how much rice they were getting, the jury will understand.  She doesn't even need to admit if she felt she wouldn't win.

*unless Christian asked the question

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Yet she got votes at the previous TC and aligned with a group that she has previously tried getting out simply because she could no longer trust her previous group.  Everyone may be singing her praises in exit interviews, but she doesn’t seem as well liked with what we are seeing-and that’s only what we have to go by.

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I know many people are criticizing Angelina for her initial negotiating offer of seemingly 'everything', but clearly she was holding back.  Also, most of what she was offering was the leftovers from prior reward challenges.  The coffee stuff, for example.  Almost surely the castaways have used up everything edible in that.  So what's left, the french press (or whatever they used to make the coffee) and cups.  They don't need those now.  same with most of the cooking supplies.  I bet they used up all the spices and don't really need a frying pan (especially if they aren't catching fish).

Now, I'm not sure with offering the fishing equipment, unless the castaways have used/broken/lost everything useful, which might explain why they can't catch any fish with it anymore.  because really, if they can catch fish, they can eat (well, except for the vegetarians like Angelina).  It sure sounded from that one scene with Nick, Kara and Angelina on the raft, they weren't catching any fish.

The comfort items seems to be the only thing she offered that had any potential value (mostly the hammock), as I bet the pillows smell awful, are dirty and possible still damp from rain.  I think the only thing she held back from that reward was a tarp.

And in prior episodes, castaways have offered such ridiculously little in exchange for more rice, Jeff has responded by saying they could only get rice in exchange for pretty much everything the castaways had.  So I think Angelina did well by at least making her initial offer sound like a lot, even if it wasn't.

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It could be that no one left is able to fish so the fishing equipment is useless. You do need to actually know how to use the gear and have the energy to use the gear. Most of what she was offering was not essential, which is why Jeff would never have accepted the deal. I have no problem with her offer or her techniques. I think it amused Jeff and he went light on them because

1) it had been a harsh season with all the bad weather

2) At least she was making an offer and knew that she was coming in low.

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3 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

It could be that no one left is able to fish so the fishing equipment is useless. You do need to actually know how to use the gear and have the energy to use the gear. Most of what she was offering was not essential, which is why Jeff would never have accepted the deal. I have no problem with her offer or her techniques. I think it amused Jeff and he went light on them because

1) it had been a harsh season with all the bad weather

2) At least she was making an offer and knew that she was coming in low.

The offer seemed high to me.  It seemed like almost everything at camp!  I don't think we saw the full exchange.  I thought it was hysterical and one of the best moments of the season.  I loved Angelina's smile at the end.  She was proud of herself in a young-child sort of way.  She locked me in as a fan at that moment.

Angelina's only problem is that she is transparent (and a lot like Tracey Flick).   She does XYZ and then puts XYZ in the faces of the others as if they are shoe-in reasons to support her.  XYZ may be the greatest things ever, but being so deliberate and obvious just serves to annoy others.  Plus, people want to make up their own minds about XYZ - not told what to think about XYZ.   In a way, she's telling people what they ought to think.  No one likes to be told what to think or do. Human nature.  I think she might want to consider the words she spoke to Natalie at tribal early on.  Something about Natalie wanting efficiency but trying to achieve it by bossing others around might not be the best way to achieve it.  Something like that.

In an article, Jeff said if he could offer her advice, it would be to let the game come to her a little more.  I think he hit the nail on the head with that one.

I think Angelina is great, and I find her Tracy Flick moments endearing.  She's just young and enthusiastic and genuine in wanting them to work.  She's maybe a little too proud of her Yale and Stanford educations for her own good, but all things considered, I like her - a lot.

I actually didn't mind Natalie for similar reasons but she lost me with her comments about Jeremy when she cast her vote for him.  She was just plain mean at that point. 

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On 12/1/2018 at 10:17 AM, MisterBluxom said:

I did criticize her.  I criticized her because I believe she was being dishonest.  I think she was trying to say that she deserved praise and recognition because she negotiated with Jeff for rice and she sacrificed her chance at immunity so the others could have rice to eat. I believe you are entirely correct that she did that to get jury votes. But she made only the most glancing remarks about her negotiation and her sacrifice because that was not what they were talking about.  IMO, she tried to "slip one past the others" and I think that reeked of dishonesty.

She didn't come right out and admit what she was trying to do. She subverted the discussion and only mentioned herself in the most "offhand" manner. She said she didn't want to "make a big deal" about her negotiation and sacrifice. But she did that while she was making a big deal about her negotiation and sacrifice.  (although to the best of my recollection, she did that shortly before the TC - not at the TC).

Bottom line? I despise this entitled brat and I fear she might actually win this game by "bamboozling" the others into believing that she is a great player and a great humanitarian when the truth is that she is an entitled brat who freaks out when she doesn't get her way and tries all kinds of trickery to try to bamboozle the others into believing the B.S. she is selling.  But to be honest, I sure do hope the odds of her succeeding in her "Big Bamboozle" are close to zero.

Thank goodness she will never bamboozle Allison.  Allison sees right through her.  She has Angelina nailed dead to rights. 

While Allison has not otherwise impressed me I like that she openly calls out Angelina at tribal by saying she no longer trusts anything that comes out of Angelina's mouth.

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2 hours ago, Kenzie said:

While Allison has not otherwise impressed me I like that she openly calls out Angelina at tribal by saying she no longer trusts anything that comes out of Angelina's mouth.

I'm an Angelina fan, but I love this too (I also really like Alison)

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So Gabby did an interview this week and yeah Angelina is totally Tracey Flick:

"Angelina's negotiation at the immunity challenge was the climax of a long, drawn out hubbub about the rice. She had brought it up many times prior at camp and called tribe meetings to decide how we would negotiate. A lot of us recognized that we did need more rice, but no one really wanted to take the lead and expend the brainpower to itemize our entire camp and rice supply. I remember Angelina asked me once to help her count out the remaining rice and I just really didn't want to do it, so I said, "I'm bad at math, can you ask Christian?" I think they sat there for maybe an hour doing fractions and figuring out how much rice we had left per person, per day. When she volunteered to give up immunity, we were all very grateful. For me? It made me laugh a little. She was supposed to be the decoy name, remember? So why would she sit out if she was in danger? It confirmed that she had replaced my place on the "historic Davids," because it was obvious how safe she felt. I think the tribe was also hyperaware of the fact that nothing in Survivor is done purely selflessly, especially if you bring it up at Tribal Council in front of the jury."

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Angelina was married before the season started, and her husband is active military; even if not deployed, his ability to travel abroad would be severely constrained.  I doubt a TV reality show would meet the military’s threshold of exigent circumstances.

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9 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Angelina was married before the season started, and her husband is active military; even if not deployed, his ability to travel abroad would be severely constrained.  I doubt a TV reality show would meet the military’s threshold of exigent circumstances.

Ah didn't know that. Makes sense then.

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34 minutes ago, Hanahope said:

Did she get married after Survivor?  I thought I saw some tweet from her with a hyphenated name.  Interesting that she had her mother come out rather than boyfriend/fiance.

 

16 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Angelina was married before the season started, and her husband is active military; even if not deployed, his ability to travel abroad would be severely constrained.  I doubt a TV reality show would meet the military’s threshold of exigent circumstances.

I had the same thought about having her mom and not husband, but then again most of them had a parent.

Angelina spoke to this, below.  It's in a spoiler box only because it was said outside of the show (in an unaired YT confessional), not because it actually "spoils" anything.  It made me like her even more.

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Basically Angelina said that she really wanted to see her husband (tearing up while relaying that), but per Nashville, he couldn't be spared from his military obligations.

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Here is the clip where she talks about her mom and the fact that her husband was supposed to be there and that she was expecting to see him. 

 

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I am surprised at that dictionary dot com definition for salient; I always thought it was more like Merriam-Webster's online definition, ": standing out conspicuously : PROMINENT  especially : of notable significance."  Thesaurus dot com's third synonym is "pertinent" and that's what I would normally use it to mean.  

Angelina is definitely making some mistakes including annoying people, but I don't see her as a brat.  She's not my favorite, but if she wins, which I don't expect, I wouldn't feel that upset.

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I am curious if she makes the Final 3 how will she be treated. The edit gave her the ruthless brat edit. Is this how she was perceived on the island with the other castaways? Will she be ignored like other woman (Although, it’s usually the Mom archetype)? It would be crazy if the Final 3 were Angelina, Kara & Allison. Doubt it due to the edit. Only, 2 episodes left. So exciting. 

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Angelina is still going on about Davie not picking her for the reward.

She seems to be taking credit for Davie winning the last IC because she sat the challenge out and got rice for them.

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1 hour ago, LanceM said:

Sorry I can't blame her one bit for being a little bit upset over not being picked for the reward for exactly the reasons she stated in this interview. 

@LanceM this isn't personal to you, just addressing the many, many claims Angelina made to state her case.  FYI I still kinda like her.

First, is one win really a hot streak?  Anyway, choosing Mike (Angelina's closest ally) and Davie to join them last time seemed more like an "each winner chooses one person" decision than a joint decision on both open spots.  Either way, that doesn't compel Davie to choose her this time.  And "not looking for reciprocity?"  That's exactly what she's looking for...both on the damn rice thing again* and asserting Davie was also her choice for "love" (I don't buy it) on the family visit.  Seems like any minor good will the rice thing got her has dried up, ironically in part because their bellies are now fuller and hunger is not as much on their mind.

No, the producers wouldn't let them nearly starve to death.  That seems like bad PR and bad TV.  Alison already looks exhausted as it is, and she's probably used to long shifts. 

Angelina, you have not been feeding Davie for 11 days.  That's TPTB.  And no, you didn't "allow" Davie to win the IC that you sat out.

Ugh this is getting tiring.  So you have been in an alliance of [redacted quantity].  There are so many reasons to consider who Davie chose.  Oh wait...it's not all about you?

End rebuttal.

My opinion on Angelina took a nosedive through all that, but I may have figured out why I actually still kind of like her.  Minor details seem to matter way more to her than to other people, and it doesn't register that her thinking style/calculus could be different (*in part, that rice thing being so big to her but getting eye rolls from others).  The nosedive is because the prism through which she seems to interpret those small details is kind of egotistical.

She also said elsewhere that Christian was her strategic equal.  React however you feel appropriate.

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I think Angelina may be a little ....deaf?....socially or whatever.  Forthright.  Honest.  Says what she feels. Drops little real thought bombs in situations where most people wouldn't.   I don't think that necessarily means entitled whatever that means these days.

Either that and/or - Survivor producers don't want people to hold back.  Holding back would be smart/strategic in terms of game play very often.  But if everyone stopped talking, watched every word, tread carefully. played under the radar - the game would disappear.  So maybe she made a decision to not hold back, give them unfiltered comments.  It doesn't hurt that it makes you a more memorable player with more twitter followers, a bigger 15 minutes of fame, bigger Survivor alum footprint.  

I'm sort of neutral on her.  She is sort of funny, has provided some good funny moments.   I don't hate her I don't love her.  

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I think she is ridiculous but-I do enjoy watching her! She could home, I would enjoy that. She could win, and I might enjoy that, too! If she is going to win I have enough faith in the producers that they'd turn her edit around to make her more appealing in the last few episodes. I think her biggest flaw is that she seems to crave recognition for everything. But she certainly seems to have taken the target off her back, and that's a big accomplishment.

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4 hours ago, Special K said:

Davie also didn't choose Christian, Allison, or Mike for the reward.  She seems to think she deserves things more than anyone else.  I'd be insulted if i was any of those three.

None of those people took Davie on a  reward last episode. Angelina (and Nick) did take him on reward. Davie decided to only return the favor to Nick. I am not sure why this so controversial. It is not like someone like Alison who is not aligned at all with Angelina won the reward last night and didn't take her and then she complained. If that was the case I would be right with everyone else and call her entitled brat. But it wasn't this was someone who she is aligned with, who she made a final four deal with and who the week before took him on a reward with her.  She had every right be miffed with him. 

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On 12/13/2018 at 6:58 PM, LanceM said:

None of those people took Davie on a  reward last episode. Angelina (and Nick) did take him on reward. Davie decided to only return the favor to Nick. I am not sure why this so controversial. It is not like someone like Alison who is not aligned at all with Angelina won the reward last night and didn't take her and then she complained. If that was the case I would be right with everyone else and call her entitled brat. But it wasn't this was someone who she is aligned with, who she made a final four deal with and who the week before took him on a reward with her.  She had every right be miffed with him. 

You're right.  I don't know why these people don't tell the "slighted" person that they needed them to stay at camp and keep an eye on things.  Maybe he did, and maybe it wouldn't  be enough in this case.  I always think that in these later rewards, the key is not to let a possible rival faction form or strengthen by leaving them alone!

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You are not going to tell Angelina, in the full viewing public, that you are keeping her there to keep an eye on camp. Davie did not buy into that final four, he said so at the reward. Davie's connection was with Nick, not Angelina. Angelina can feel slighted all that she wants, the way she handled it was bratty and entitled. The whining about the rice was met by general silence and a lack of reaction from everyone at camp, which makes me think that Angelina is using her rice "sacrifice" as a tool whenever she can. I also suspect that Angelina is completely unaware of how often she discusses her rice "sacrifice" and how often she tries to use it to benefit her.

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I just wonder if Angelina were to make the Final 3 would the jury rip her to shreds or ignore her? Obviously, wre seeing a side of her via the edit but how was she perceived on the island? There been the occasional shot of the castaways rolling their eyes but there hasn’t been all out hate of her. Maybe, she’s just annoying like Eliza was. Time will tell. 

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3 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

I just wonder if Angelina were to make the Final 3 would the jury rip her to shreds or ignore her? Obviously, wre seeing a side of her via the edit but how was she perceived on the island? There been the occasional shot of the castaways rolling their eyes but there hasn’t been all out hate of her. Maybe, she’s just annoying like Eliza was. Time will tell. 

I think one of the reasons we're enjoying this season so much -- at least in the latter days -- is that the contestants all seem to like each other.  I think there's an expected bit of annoyance here and there, and understandable distrust, but it's been a while (Napalm Natalie; Carl vs Elizabeth) since we've seen out-and-out animus.  I think everyone likes Angelina even if they roll their eyes at her antics.

It's why I think some of them were hell-bent to get rid of Christian.  They like him too much (and realize everyone else does, too).

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25 minutes ago, Special K said:

Natch.  I was thinking afterwards.  It's been done before.

Gotcha but normally by people who have an established relationship with folks.  Davie did not have a relationship with Angelina or if he did, we never saw it.

10 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

I just wonder if Angelina were to make the Final 3 would the jury rip her to shreds or ignore her? Obviously, wre seeing a side of her via the edit but how was she perceived on the island? There been the occasional shot of the castaways rolling their eyes but there hasn’t been all out hate of her. Maybe, she’s just annoying like Eliza was. Time will tell. 

I doubt it. Angelina seems to get along fine with people. There is some eye rolling when she harps on something and laughter at her silliness (the jacket tribal, the immunity idol) but I don't think she has really angered anyone. She was the easy target at the merge because of ridiculousness, not because she was a threat. I can see people ignoring her at final tribal and her interjecting herself. Question goes to Nick. Nick answers. Angelina raises her hand and asks if she can add something.

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1 hour ago, Special K said:

I think one of the reasons we're enjoying this season so much -- at least in the latter days -- is that the contestants all seem to like each other...

Two people in particular come to mind as being voted out to make it more harmonious.  But I miss a couple people who went before their time.

1 hour ago, ProfCrash said:

..Angelina seems to get along fine with people. There is some eye rolling when she harps on something and laughter at her silliness (the jacket tribal, the immunity idol) but I don't think she has really angered anyone. She was the easy target at the merge because of ridiculousness, not because she was a threat. I can see people ignoring her at final tribal and her interjecting herself. Question goes to Nick. Nick answers. Angelina raises her hand and asks if she can add something.

Agree.  Except that I think she would interject, rather than just raising her hand.

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7 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

Angelina seems to get along fine with people. There is some eye rolling when she harps on something and laughter at her silliness (the jacket tribal, the immunity idol) but I don't think she has really angered anyone. She was the easy target at the merge because of ridiculousness, not because she was a threat. I can see people ignoring her at final tribal and her interjecting herself. Question goes to Nick. Nick answers. Angelina raises her hand and asks if she can add something.

With the exception Angelina would ask and then (without waiting for an answer or reply) immediately plow into her own self-aggrandizing interjection - this is SO what I was thinking, it’s fucking scary.  :>

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So, Angelina had a jacket after all when she was on the island...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/survivor-david-goliath-finale-christian-hubicki-previews-final-six-1169793

 

"Oh, Angelina," he says now, speaking with THR the morning after his exit episode aired. "She's pretty much what you see on TV, but if you were to distill her down to the moments where she brings up the rice… I loved talking to Angelina about social justice issues and all of that business. I was also her surrogate jacket in the shelter. I would be clutched for warmth at night. I was Angelina's designated cuddle thing. I sort of just laid there: 'I guess I'm owned by Angelina now!' That's how it worked.""

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On 12/13/2018 at 1:29 PM, Heathrowe said:

I think she is ridiculous but-I do enjoy watching her! She could home, I would enjoy that. She could win, and I might enjoy that, too! If she is going to win I have enough faith in the producers that they'd turn her edit around to make her more appealing in the last few episodes. I think her biggest flaw is that she seems to crave recognition for everything. But she certainly seems to have taken the target off her back, and that's a big accomplishment.

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I like Angelina a lot.  She's harmless, IMO, but man.  The girl can't read a room!   

In the very first episode when the David's climbed aboard the boat, Angela looked at them with a look of pity but also of caring.  That moment captured what we saw from Angelina the entire season.  That fact that she would feel pity (not sure if that's the exact right word), for people she doesn't even know - and based solely upon appearance, told me she makes assumptions - big ones - and that she thinks she "knows it all".  But it was also clear she had a bit of empathy for them (not that they needed or wanted it).

IMO, Angelina is a good person.  She just needs to take a few steps back and learn that she doesn't need to be - nor is she - right and perfect all the time.  If she can toss all this aside, she might have a better chance of understanding others and her relationship with them.  I hope Davie clarifying what a selfless act is turned on a light bulb for her.  She needed to hear that.

I like her a lot.  I also give her a lot of props for mentioning at the reunion she'd do a few things differently next time.  That tells me she is capable of gaining a bit of self-awareness.

Natalie Napalm, on the other hand.....

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9 minutes ago, Jextella said:

I like Angelina a lot.  She's harmless, IMO, but man.  The girl can't read a room!   

In the very first episode when the David's climbed aboard the boat, Angela looked at them with a look of pity but also of caring.  That moment captured what we saw from Angelina the entire season.  That fact that she would feel pity (not sure if that's the exact right word), for people she doesn't even know - and based solely upon appearance, told me she makes assumptions - big ones - and that she thinks she "knows it all".  But it was also clear she had a bit of empathy for them (not that they needed or wanted it).

IMO, Angelina is a good person.  She just needs to take a few steps back and learn that the doesn't need to be right and perfect all the time.  If she can toss all this aside, she might have a better chance of understanding others and her relationship with them.  I hope Davie clarifying what a selfless act turned on a light bulb for her.

I like her a lot.  I also give her a lot of props for mentioning at the reunion she'd do a few things differently next time.  That tells me she learned a thing or two about herself. 

I'm not so sure she is a good person.  But, in Survivor, her ineptitude makes her pretty much harmless and hilarious,  despite her bad intentions.

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I don't know, trying to determine if someone is a "good person" based on a HIGHLY edited tv show in which lying and manipulating people is a part of the game, while living on an island outdoors where you get very little sleep and food seems kind of silly. But that is just me.

Anyway this little blurb from Mike made me laugh. She truly is Tracey Flick.

https://my.xfinity.com/blogs/tv/2018/12/20/survivor-runner-up-mike-i-think-if-i-won-america-would-have-come-to-my-house-and-killed-me/

" I was with Angelina every day the entire time, 39 days. And I love her, I think she’s awesome. That’s the part that doesn’t come through as much as the conflict stuff. There’s a lot of fun energy. There were times in the experience where she was exasperating. She woke up in the morning and had a to-do list. She was kind of insatiable. She was just unsinkable! (Laughs) And it’s so fun she made it all the way and on the 38th day she’s making idol and climbing mountains. She was so entertaining."

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Personally, I would delete my social media.  I wonder if the show FORCES them to keep social media accounts online in order to keep that money from the show.  If so I would think that that is very cruel.  Anyways, if I was forced to do so, I wouldn't use it or read it, I think, if this was the kind of thing that was happening.

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2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Personally, I would delete my social media.  I wonder if the show FORCES them to keep social media accounts online in order to keep that money from the show.  If so I would think that that is very cruel.  Anyways, if I was forced to do so, I wouldn't use it or read it, I think, if this was the kind of thing that was happening.

Nobody should making threats (and I kind of doubt anyone is).  But, she behaved like an idiot on Survivor and earned criticism.

Also, she is using Survivor to promote her new full time gig as founder and director of a not for profit, which is ridiculous at best, and shady at worst.  The mission is to help girls run for student government.  Really?

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4 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Nobody should making threats (and I kind of doubt anyone is).  But, she behaved like an idiot on Survivor and earned criticism.

Also, she is using Survivor to promote her new full time gig as founder and director of a not for profit, which is ridiculous at best, and shady at worst.  The mission is to help girls run for student government.  Really?

Just because you don’t think that it is worthy doesn’t make it ridiculous. Student government positions are seen as a good way to build leadership skills and self confiddence. I have no idea if boys are more willing to run for those positions or anything along those lines but I have no problem with someone wanting to encourage girls to participate in student government. It is no different then encouranging girls to participate in robot clubs or coding clubs or lego clubs and people are investing a good amount of time and energy in those areas. Just because it is not STEM related doesn’t make it useless. 

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