ghoulina July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Mr. Minor said: Farrah is a raging bitch! That is why on a few occasions other women have felt the need to physically harm her, someday someone is going to succeed. If being a raging bitch is grounds for assault, these women should have assaulted each other many times over. Amber would be assaulting herself every night! When Amber tried to assault Farrah, Farrah was on the stage with Drew, calmly answering questions. Questions about SIMON'S behavior, may I point out. HE was the one that made Amber mad by calling her leech a "pedophile". But, of course, Amber wouldn't go after Simon. 59 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said: She's hoping for some sympathy casseroles Ala Vicki Gunvalson. Yup. She loves playing the victim. I have started to think she intentionally sets Farrah off and then stands there, calmly, "why are you mad?" She's so manipulative; it's really fucked up. 12 Link to comment
ginger90 July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 Quote Yup. She loves playing the victim. I have started to think she intentionally sets Farrah off and then stands there, calmly, "why are you mad?" She's so manipulative; it's really fucked up. Similar to Matt asking Amber, "Why are you so angry?". 14 Link to comment
GreatKazu July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 Deb and Matt try to make their victims second-guess themselves. At least Farrah has learned to some degree not to react to Deb's hysterics and outbursts. 7 Link to comment
TeenMomAngerMgmt July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 46 minutes ago, GreatKazu said: Deb and Matt try to make their victims second-guess themselves. At least Farrah has learned to some degree not to react to Deb's hysterics and outbursts. Unfortunately in Deb's case, some people are really snowed by it. It's as though Farrah's hostility towards her mom just popped out of the ether one day and has nothing to do with Deb's own behavior. One of the worst things MTV has done with this show is force victims to pal around with their abusers (Deb and Farrah, Gary and Amber, Chelsea and Adam, Catelynn and April, Tyler and Butch, the list goes on). 15 Link to comment
ReadMeLattice July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 1 hour ago, TeenMomAngerMgmt said: Unfortunately in Deb's case, some people are really snowed by it. It's as though Farrah's hostility towards her mom just popped out of the ether one day and has nothing to do with Deb's own behavior. One of the worst things MTV has done with this show is force victims to pal around with their abusers (Deb and Farrah, Gary and Amber, Chelsea and Adam, Catelynn and April, Tyler and Butch, the list goes on). Every time Butch starts in on Tyler being like the father he never had (creepy and codependent much?), I am disgusted. Tyler always looks horrified but goes along with it. 3 Link to comment
TeenMomAngerMgmt July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lm2162 said: Every time Butch starts in on Tyler being like the father he never had (creepy and codependent much?), I am disgusted. Tyler always looks horrified but goes along with it. I don't think anyone thinks Butch is a model father or a standup guy, but the train wreck is so hard to ignore we can't look away. It makes for oddly compelling TV. 2 Link to comment
ghoulina July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 16 hours ago, TeenMomAngerMgmt said: Unfortunately in Deb's case, some people are really snowed by it. It's as though Farrah's hostility towards her mom just popped out of the ether one day and has nothing to do with Deb's own behavior. One of the worst things MTV has done with this show is force victims to pal around with their abusers (Deb and Farrah, Gary and Amber, Chelsea and Adam, Catelynn and April, Tyler and Butch, the list goes on). Yes, and Drew always seems intent on repairing relationships. As a so-called therapist (or whatever he purports to be), he should know that some relationships are NOT repairable. That it's often healthier for all parties involved to cut ties and move on. But he's always trying to force people back together - Chelsea and Adumb, Amber and whomever she's beating up on that week, Tyler and Butch, Farrah and Deb, etc. etc. It's insane. 9 Link to comment
Christina July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Man, I haven't watched part 2 yet, and now don't know if I want to because siding with Farrah makes my skin crawl. I would be more surprised to learn that Farrah was NOT sexually abused as a child than I would to find out she was. She shows a lot of the hallmark traits of someone who was abused and hasn't received proper treatment for it, and there is no way Debra would let that out there and tarnish her perfect family image. Other than James Deen, Farrah claimed she was nearly raped by an Uber driver and Simon saved her, but the police report and the phone video she posted of the cop talking to the driver while she yelled at him showed that the Uber driver threw them out for being her normal self, and Uber cancelled her account. She also claimed she was drugged and raped at all of the strip club appearances she made after filming the porn, and the owner of Vivid said he would give her $1 Million if she took a polygraph test and passed. She didn't take the test and didn't make the claim again, until the claim against James Deen, and that was only a claim about him, I think. It would be completely believable that she was raped by James Deen and drugged and sexually assaulted at the strip clubs if she didn't throw those claims out so willy-nilly and make claims such as "every strip club." Once Teen Mom is finished, Debra will probably move on to whatever new thing will keep her in the tabloids, like her crappy rap career. 14 Link to comment
ReadMeLattice July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 5 hours ago, ghoulina said: Amber and whomever she's beating up on that week This board is killing it this week. 9 Link to comment
mamadrama July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Christina said: Man, I haven't watched part 2 yet, and now don't know if I want to because siding with Farrah makes my skin crawl. I would be more surprised to learn that Farrah was NOT sexually abused as a child than I would to find out she was. She shows a lot of the hallmark traits of someone who was abused and hasn't received proper treatment for it, and there is no way Debra would let that out there and tarnish her perfect family image. My experience with people who frequently lie or are deceptive about sexual assaults is that there WAS some kind of sexual trauma in the past and now they're pathologically seeking help by overdramatizing situations in the present. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn that she suffered, or witnessed, some kind of sexual molestation as a child and Debra swept it under the rug. I still maintain that Farrah's shitty attitude is about control. She yells, screams, berates people, and has that kind of cold mannequin attitude the rest of the time because she spent her childhood feeling like things were out of her control and now she's trying to regain it. To be honest, I find myself doing this with my own mother for a similar reason and I see my younger self-s behavior in Farrah. 13 Link to comment
ReadMeLattice July 14, 2017 Share July 14, 2017 @mamadrama, yes, same!! I don't know when or if she was assaulted in her adult life (though it would make sense that she was at some point, and Michael has confirmed she was-- I don't think he'd simply say she was if he had zero reason to believe it, but obviously that could be the case), but I have a hard time believing with her particular issues and Debz OG's particular pathology that something didn't happen and Debra didn't cover it up. 6 Link to comment
druzy July 14, 2017 Share July 14, 2017 Did Michael's girlfriend appear on the show this season? Link to comment
guilfoyleatpp July 14, 2017 Share July 14, 2017 Debra is very practiced at manipulation, deflecting accusations, deflecting blame, and self-aggrandizing. 1) 1.5 million dollar home in Council Bluffs - WHAT?! Ok, if that home was in a higher cost of living state, yes, it would have been 1.5 million dollars. But it's not. It's in Iowa, where it's not even worth half a million. If it was 1.5 million, she couldn't have afforded it anyway, so let's just put that to the side, ok Deb? 2) Farrah wasn't abused. But if she was, she deserved it. And maybe Deb hit her, but it was an accident because Farrah was verbally abusing Deb in the car (another narcissist tactic "YOU abused ME") and Deb threw her hand out (because she was watching the road). And she might have connected with Farrah's head, but she mostly hit the seat. But she didn't hit Farrah. She can't even keep her story straight for 5 minutes. 3) Deb's default is to deny. Deny. Deny. This is the infuriating thing about narcissistic mothers. "I don't remember that." "You're making it up." "That's not what happened." The gaslighting that makes the child doubt their own reality and their own sanity in favor of the mother's need to rewrite history in a favorable slant. I was rooting for Farrah, shutting Dr. Drew down at every turn. I do think it's partially a control thing, but it could also indicate she's getting some useful, valuable therapy. I hope that is the case. It's weird the way he was going after her, and even said "is there anything I can do to help you?" Remember last season when he said he was there as a TV host and NOT a doctor when she brought up his off color comment about Dr. Drew wanting to choke her? I want to choke him for using his therapist skills to make it seem like he's even mildly interested in helping these girls when he's really just trying to get ratings and a paycheck. And I think I'm done defending Farrah for today, but thanks for letting me get that off my chest. 17 Link to comment
mamadrama July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 7 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said: 3) Deb's default is to deny. Deny. Deny. This is the infuriating thing about narcissistic mothers. "I don't remember that." "You're making it up." "That's not what happened." The gaslighting that makes the child doubt their own reality and their own sanity in favor of the mother's need to rewrite history in a favorable slant. You have put something into words about my own mother that I have never been able. I just had a revelation. Thank you. 14 Link to comment
CofCinci July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 Come on, buddies. You can only have abuse in households with mirrors with a value of less than a thousand! 16 Link to comment
ginger90 July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 Oh Debra https://mobile.twitter.com/ChelleBelle0524/status/886017819384664064 5 Link to comment
druzy July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 48 minutes ago, ginger90 said: Oh Debra https://mobile.twitter.com/ChelleBelle0524/status/886017819384664064 3 Link to comment
Snarky McSnarky July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 It appears Farrah sold her L.A. house. According to Redfin, the unit sold July 5th for $860,000. She paid $845,000 in April 2016 and reportedly added $100,000 in improvements. https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/3300-Barham-Blvd-90068/unit-102/home/40153588 3 Link to comment
monicageller July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said: It appears Farrah sold her L.A. house. According to Redfin, the unit sold July 5th for $860,000. She paid $845,000 in April 2016 and reportedly added $100,000 in improvements. https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/3300-Barham-Blvd-90068/unit-102/home/40153588 6 Link to comment
ginger90 July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 9 hours ago, ginger90 said: Oh Debra https://mobile.twitter.com/ChelleBelle0524/status/886017819384664064 Forgot to add, she didn't even tag the correct Amber, lol. 6 Link to comment
ReadMeLattice July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, mamadrama said: You have put something into words about my own mother that I have never been able. I just had a revelation. Thank you. Re: Deb's denial and reversal of the abuse claims...her initial thing was, well, she's just being dramatic. Everyone has issues but it's not really *abuse.* Then suddenly when questioned about a particular incident, *she* was "mentally, verbally, and emotionally abused" (which is suddenly a thing but only when Debra experiences it) by her teenager, so the slap was out of self defense. But it also wasn't really a slap. K yeah you're a liar. That drove it home for me. The thing is, Debra wants to cry "oh she should be over it by now" while still claiming that what Farrah, then SIXTEEN, did to her was so "abusive" that it warranted everything she's done since then. You don't get to have it both ways. Edited July 15, 2017 by Lm2162 13 Link to comment
MyPeopleAreNordic July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 (edited) On July 11, 2017 at 0:01 PM, Marisagf said: Again, they all allude to this traumatic upbringing Farrah suffered but no one comes right out and says what it is. Michael left and cheated on Debra. Got it! Debra brought in a succession of men. Got it! Farrah's baby daddy died. Got it! But what the hell else happened that it's called the most horrific thing ever seen? Was she forced into child porn? Or was she a child soldier? Was she forced to live alone at age 6 or something? I appreciate the fact that they don't want to discuss it, but at this point it's probably worse not to come right out and say what it is. Well....at the very least she did ask her mom for an abortion and then was forced to carry the pregnancy to term by her mom. Then her baby daddy died while she still pregnant and although teen Farrah was broken up with him & cut him out of her life like Deb wanted/demanded, Deb pretty much acted like his death was a relief because now they wouldn't have to deal with him ever again. I'd say that alone is pretty damn traumatic for a teen, even if nothing else ever happened to Farrah. But I also believe some shady stuff had to go down when Deb and Michael would fight and break up and Deb had guys in & out of the house or was threatening suicide or whatever... On July 11, 2017 at 0:09 PM, WhoaWhoKnew said: The amount of pure hate Farrah has for her parents combined with the porn, stripping, and secrecy has always led me to believe that Farrah was sexually abused and her parents knew, but did nothing about it. Yep. Edited July 19, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic 12 Link to comment
Snarky McSnarky July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, ginger90 said: Forgot to add, she didn't even tag the correct Amber, lol. Yea, the one she tagged hasn't been used by Amber since 2010. Her Tweets are like a time capsule: Hey, it's me Amber from MTV's Teen Mom aka The next Marilyn Monroe only brunette!!!!! oh gosh, i can't believe i'm using twitter. this thing is cool :) #ImTiredOf how hard life is. busy, busy, busy. gotta work on that ged. Lunch Time- Leah and I are eating some Burger King sandwiches and milkshakes. mmmmm You can buy the 1st Season of 16&Pregnant on Amazon.com :) https://mobile.twitter.com/amberportwood Edited July 15, 2017 by Snarky McSnarky 5 Link to comment
Chris Knight July 15, 2017 Share July 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said: Yea, the one she tagged hasn't been used by Amber since 2010. Her Tweets are like a time capsule: Hey, it's me Amber from MTV's Teen Mom aka The next Marilyn Monroe only brunette!!!!! oh gosh, i can't believe i'm using twitter. this thing is cool :) #ImTiredOf how hard life is. busy, busy, busy. gotta work on that ged. Lunch Time- Leah and I are eating some Burger King sandwiches and milkshakes. mmmmm You can buy the 1st Season of 16&Pregnant on Amazon.com :) https://mobile.twitter.com/amberportwood Wow, 2010, Matt probably had only 3-4 kids back then. Did Amber ever get her GED ? Amber, you are no Marilyn. 10 Link to comment
Court July 16, 2017 Share July 16, 2017 I didn't think either set of parents wanted Farrah and Daddy Derek together. 5 Link to comment
bounnatalie July 16, 2017 Share July 16, 2017 On 7/12/2017 at 2:38 PM, ginger90 said: Having a mother who would post video of her daughter going off on her on Instagram must really help the relationship. it was posted this morning, I don't get Debra's reasoning behind doing that. https://mobile.twitter.com/ddanielsen/status/885183840192528384?p=v After reading the comments, I think she does it to boost her own self esteem and rationalize her behavior! There are comments like, "I don't know how you do it" and "Sophia loves you" Any negative comments can be attributed to haters. Honestly. She is completely delusional about how Dr. Dave treats her. Does she know what "cherish" means? Yikes. I think there is way more to the abuse than we know of already, not just the physical abuse we were told about. What Farrah should do is completely cut Deb off and see where Dr. David goes. Also, I agree with Ghoulina that Dr. Dave is a lot like Matt. 12 Link to comment
Bblack3 July 17, 2017 Share July 17, 2017 Someone above hit on it, too, but I think Deb is beyond jealous of Farrah. I think Deb always aspired to be the HBIC, and when the show took off and it was about Farrah, I think that's what unhinged Deb. When she paraded out on stage at the reunion, I just couldn't believe it. Look how Michael or any other adult in their lives comes out dressed. She's wanting all the attention on her. And Dr David is just her "yes man" now. I also think however she dug up Dr David, is purely to beat Farrah to the altar. She is the one who started the marriage talk. His first few scenes, he wasn't interested in marriage. But Deb has shown him the way to $ and he's been sucked in. I feel for Farrah because she's at least trying to work on herself and Deb just keeps using her for all she can. 7 Link to comment
ginger90 July 17, 2017 Share July 17, 2017 Debra tweeted that she has a wedding planner. In another tweet she said she may be doing a rap at the wedding. I really hope she doesn't get MTV to film it. 12 Link to comment
teapot July 17, 2017 Share July 17, 2017 I would kill to go out for drinks with Debra's old coworkers & listen to the tea & snark that they had to spill! http://starcasm.net/archives/164086 7 Link to comment
GreatKazu July 17, 2017 Share July 17, 2017 On 7/15/2017 at 11:05 AM, MyPeopleAreNordic said: Well....at the very least she did ask her mom for an abortion and then was forced to carry the pregnancy to tee by her mom. Then her baby daddy died while she still pregnant and although teen Farrah was broken up with him & cut him out of her life like Deb wanted/demanded, Deb pretty much acted like his death was a relief because now they wouldn't have to deal with him ever again. I'd say that alone is pretty damn traumatic for a teen, even if nothing else ever happened to Farrah, yet I believe some shady stuff had to go down when Deb and Michael would fight and break up and Deb had guys in & out of the house or was threatening suicide or whatever... Yep. I do believe Deb was screaming at Michael that she would kill herself. I am getting shades of Catelynn. 5 Link to comment
ginger90 July 18, 2017 Share July 18, 2017 An interesting read. Deb helped build all of the networks in the world............. https://mobile.twitter.com/ddanielsen/status/887109635542585344?p=v 3 Link to comment
Christina July 18, 2017 Share July 18, 2017 (edited) On 7/14/2017 at 11:34 AM, Lm2162 said: @mamadrama, yes, same!! I don't know when or if she was assaulted in her adult life (though it would make sense that she was at some point, and Michael has confirmed she was-- I don't think he'd simply say she was if he had zero reason to believe it, but obviously that could be the case), but I have a hard time believing with her particular issues and Debz OG's particular pathology that something didn't happen and Debra didn't cover it up. Michael and Debra believe she was drugged and raped at all of the strip clubs, like she alleged. I actually find it possible that it happened once, but not at every one. The owner of Vivid offered her $100 million dollars if she passed a lie detector test, and she stopped making the claim. She exaggerates everything to be bigger than it was, which is why I think it may have happened one time. Or, it happened to someone else and she made it her own for attention purposes. Michael believes everything she says, and actually gets in arguments with people on Twitter and online tabloids over it. He and Randy are something else online. Michael also bought that her porn was a leaked sex tape and James Deen manipulated her. Debra bought it until Dr. Phil, where the pre-show interview process revealed how Farrah had already sold the video and it was contracted before it was taped. I don't know exactly what she was shown that made her realize Farrah was lying, but during the episode she was over it, and when they returned home she kicked Farrah out, and Michael traveled from Austin to move her down with him. He still insists she was taken advantage of by James Deen. I think she was taken advantage of, but by Vivid who told her she could make a million from her film, when that was as likely as her winning the lottery. It was possible, but would never actually materialize, and Vivid knew it. She thought she was Kim Kardashian, they encouraged her belief that she was something extraordinary and everyone, especially Teen Mom fans would purchase the video. They neglected to point out that Kim's tape happened before the internet was in practically every home, and she was the daughter of a famous man who allowed her partner, the brother of a famous sister who also thought he was a famous rapper, to pee on her, making it a novelty. That film was going to be posted online and torrented as soon as it was released, and it was also posted on several websites affiliated with Vivid where people paid a monthly fee and could watch tons of videos at no extra charge, including hers, and she was paid much less for those viewings than if someone actually purchased it outright. She was easily conned because she isn't very bright. Vivid actually made the first offer of a porn tape to Amber, because if I remember correctly, she was the first one to turn eighteen. Farrah is also rumored on CDan, the blind gossip website that released all the Matt sexts with Tiffany, to be nearly bankrupt. That site has a track record for A-List celebrities, because the originally Enty actually worked in the industry, but it has been taken over by a company that has loaded the site with ads, and hired more writers who post gossip based on Daily Mail articles and "facts" that people report, who are often the C- to Z-list celebrities or their enemies. Also, they were caught posting lies sent in from someone who later posted the story, including proof, and had given tips/lies on several celebrities, including Jenelle. Farrah being overextended seems entirely probable and therefore, an easy claim to make, which may turn out to be true. I also wouldn't be surprised if that lying loser Simon sent it in. He certainly gives interviews to tabloids about her, like that she was pregnant, only to laugh about them printing it on his Twitter account later. On 7/14/2017 at 11:46 AM, druzy said: Did Michael's girlfriend appear on the show this season? I had originally typed yes, she was at a dinner for Farrah to celebrate the opening of Froyo, and when the girlfriend dared to say congrats to Farrah for reaching her goal of the last few years Debra insisted to her that this had been Farrah's passion for her whole life. Debra apparently forgot about the Steak/Asian fusion restaurant with the business plan that she helped Farrah prepare with her "Executive" MBA, which is better than a regular MBA to her, a trait of overemphasizing her accomplishments, which she passed down to Farrah. Then, I realized that it couldn't have been this season. There was also a scene where she was in the kitchen with her glass of wine shooting Michael and his girlfriend death stares, but I don't remember when that was either. So, I am of no use as it pertains to your question, just very wordy tonight/morning. On 7/15/2017 at 7:33 PM, ChicagoChris said: Did Amber ever get her GED ? Amber got her GED in prison. She took the prep classes and was able to pass. I think she took some additional education classes, other than the drug addiction related classes and AA and the anger management classes, but again, don't remember exactly what it was. I had a lot of hope for her when she first got out, and she may have went down another path if MTV hadn't decided to restart the show, which resulted in a sociopath getting his hooks in her, and I suspect, mentally manipulated her into her borderline personality disorder diagnoses by convincing her she acted a certain way and when she showed up for the diagnostic testing, she answered in accordance with his manipulations. Kail and Jenelle are clearly borderline, in my opinion, but Amber is just bipolar and an asshole. You can be an asshole without being mentally ill; take this post as proof. : ) Although I am on morphine at the moment and that makes me extra irritable and bitchy, and apparently wordy as hell. 13 hours ago, ginger90 said: Debra tweeted that she has a wedding planner. In another tweet she said she may be doing a rap at the wedding. I really hope she doesn't get MTV to film it. That's why she wanted the wedding in Bora Bora originally, I think, because if it is filmed for the show, MTV pays. She should have taken some knowledge from Maci's wedding planning, what with her having an Executive MBA and all, and realized that they cap that shit and they would not pay for the wedding venue Maci wanted, even though they were offering a discounted price. Whether Maci had to chip in, the venue gave a larger discount, or both, I don't know, but she said on the show that they lowered the price and she had that dumb smiley face she wears when she is lying. She is truly a terrible liar, and even Matt could beat her at poker because she wears her thoughts on her face. Edited July 18, 2017 by Christina Posted my diatribe multiple times for some reason. 8 Link to comment
ghoulina July 18, 2017 Share July 18, 2017 12 hours ago, ginger90 said: An interesting read. Deb helped build all of the networks in the world............. https://mobile.twitter.com/ddanielsen/status/887109635542585344?p=v Bahahaha, Debra Gore, is it? 9 Link to comment
DudeLeaveMeAlone July 18, 2017 Share July 18, 2017 8 hours ago, Christina said: He still insists she was taken advantage of by James Deen. I think she was taken advantage of, but by Vivid who told her she could make a million from her film, when that was as likely as her winning the lottery. It was possible, but would never actually materialize, and Vivid knew it. She thought she was Kim Kardashian, they encouraged her belief that she was something extraordinary and everyone, especially Teen Mom fans would purchase the video. They neglected to point out that Kim's tape happened before the internet was in practically every home, and she was the daughter of a famous man who allowed her partner, the brother of a famous sister who also thought he was a famous rapper, to pee on her, making it a novelty. That film was going to be posted online and torrented as soon as it was released, and it was also posted on several websites affiliated with Vivid where people paid a monthly fee and could watch tons of videos at no extra charge, including hers, and she was paid much less for those viewings than if someone actually purchased it outright. She was easily conned because she isn't very bright. Vivid actually made the first offer of a porn tape to Amber, because if I remember correctly, she was the first one to turn eighteen. Well, you learn something new everyday. I didn't realize THAT was the reason that video took off. 1 Link to comment
bounnatalie July 19, 2017 Share July 19, 2017 On 7/18/2017 at 10:30 AM, ghoulina said: Bahahaha, Debra Gore, is it? Assuming she wasn't in the field, or designing, or engineering. Probably approving invoices... 2 Link to comment
mamadrama July 19, 2017 Share July 19, 2017 (edited) On 7/18/2017 at 1:16 PM, DudeLeaveMeAlone said: Well, you learn something new everyday. I didn't realize THAT was the reason that video took off. I must have watched an edited version of Kim's video. I remember lots of things, but peeing wasn't in the one I saw. It was pretty standard sexual acts: bj, shower, some ice cream, and fairly vanilla intercourse in a dark room. Eta: Kim claims the peeing never happened. I went back and watched my video and it is not there. I think it is an urban legend. https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2007/09/kim-kardashian-ray-j-did-not-pee-on-me/ Edited July 19, 2017 by mamadrama 4 Link to comment
GreatKazu July 19, 2017 Share July 19, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, mamadrama said: I must have watched an edited version of Kim's video. I remember lots of things, but peeing wasn't in the one I saw. It was pretty standard sexual acts: bj, shower, some ice cream, and fairly vanilla intercourse in a dark room. Eta: Kim claims the peeing never happened. I went back and watched my video and it is not there. I think it is an urban legend. https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2007/09/kim-kardashian-ray-j-did-not-pee-on-me/ Thanks for pointing out the truth. This is why Googling is everyone's friend. When I see urban legend stories pop up on Facebook on a daily, I wonder why people don't take the time to just Google. lol On 7/18/2017 at 10:16 AM, DudeLeaveMeAlone said: Well, you learn something new everyday. I didn't realize THAT was the reason that video took off. It didn't happen. The urine incident gets brought up now and then on these boards. lol It was something that was rumored to have happened and referenced many times on the TM threads, but going by what others here have posted, no such thing happened. I will take the word of those who took one for the team and watched it. Edited July 19, 2017 by GreatKazu 4 Link to comment
ginger90 July 20, 2017 Share July 20, 2017 Debra still on the reality show train https://mobile.twitter.com/ddanielsen/status/887874843323940864?p=v I had to look it up, lol. Here's the application: https://castingbrides.castingcrane.com/ 4 Link to comment
DudeLeaveMeAlone July 20, 2017 Share July 20, 2017 19 hours ago, GreatKazu said: Thanks for pointing out the truth. This is why Googling is everyone's friend. When I see urban legend stories pop up on Facebook on a daily, I wonder why people don't take the time to just Google. lol It didn't happen. The urine incident gets brought up now and then on these boards. lol It was something that was rumored to have happened and referenced many times on the TM threads, but going by what others here have posted, no such thing happened. I will take the word of those who took one for the team and watched it. So, I never actually watched that video and had no interest if it was true or not. My search history will never hold anything Kard... related! But I had never heard that rumor before either, so I had no reason to believe it didn't happen, either. 2 Link to comment
Christina July 21, 2017 Share July 21, 2017 It absolutely did happen, is not an urban legend, and can still be found on torrent sites. There was an edited film later released that didn't have that scene and another scene that was a short anal clip. Both of those scenes appeared to have non-consensual portions and Kim's mom negotiated their removal. (Just like Michael going with Farrah). It's on the unrated, approx. 2-hour video that was released by the company that Vivid bought out, then Vivid re-released it without those scenes and cut it down to around 40 minutes according to the site I was just looking at that we are not allowed to discuss here on PTV. It looks like the remaining cut scenes were just duplicate scenes that were shown several times in the film to bulk up the time. The interview I remember where Kim discussed it said it was not urine in the scene, and if you looked closely, you could tell. He wasn't even erect in the scene. I have never enjoyed watching porn and have no desire to see it again to give a time stamp. Let's say Kim's version is true and it wasn't urine. It was still advertised, prior to release, as having a scene where RayJ pees on her and that was part of the attraction, which was the point I was trying to make albeit apparently not clearly. 6 Link to comment
ginger90 July 24, 2017 Share July 24, 2017 Hmmmm, "wedding venue exploring" with Ashley https://www.instagram.com/p/BWoXdz9lkw7/?taken-by=ddanielsen1&hl=en 1 Link to comment
Cephalosapien July 24, 2017 Share July 24, 2017 Long time lurker, first time poster! Have been following this thread with much glee. I'm a Teen Mom watcher from way back, but haven't seen this past season. Maci's husband bugs the shit out of me - gotta say I was Team Kyle - and now that she has all those kids, the storyline isn't as compelling (nor are the babies; Bentley FTW!). The Bacterias (hard LOL @ this name!!) is just Tyler backpedaling on his bodyshaming of Catelynn/Catelynn being depressed, and Amber is All Matt, All the Time. Yich. I basically just read Mark Shrayber's hilarious recaps and call it a day. But Farrah. Oh god, Farrah. I have wondered what in the fuck has been up with The Abrahams Family (sing it with me: they-y-y-y're creepy and they're kooky, myster-ious and spooky, they're allllll-together ooky...), and this thread has me all caught up. The mass delusions they've cultivated over the past 8? 8+? seasons are astounding. Pasta sauce and porn, froyo and face lifts, boob jobs and boba... Deb's face looks like a birthday balloon on a cosplay mannequin. If Michael's glasses get any smaller, he's going to have to buy them from Sophia Laurent. And Farrah herself. Don't even know where to begin. Poor Sophia. That kid is acting out because she needs a god damn mother, not an emotional basket case or a "BFF." All the times she's nagged Simon or lashed out, I've kind of been cheering her on - an unpopular opinion, but there you go. She's learned that negative behavior will get her attention; hell, she's seen Debra and Farrah and even Michael play/play into that archetype over and over. In some of the more painful dinner scenes - WHY do these people try and eat together? WHY WHY WHY? - she seems to take on the role of the voice of reason, almost. When a 6 and 7 year old, even one better behaved than Sophia, is the smartest one in the room.... Well, you're doing it wrong. I do wonder what the fuck Dr. Jenn was talking about with that 'this is the worst story I've ever heard' bit. I haven't seen her show, so can't really weigh in, but I wonder if it was a trick of editing. I did a stint as an assistant editor on an A&E reality series that never aired, and holy good god. Talk about playing fast and loose with the medium. Teen Mom has at least 2 cameras going at once - probably closer to 4 for some segments - and they've been pretty smart about it. All those shots of Catelynn's dog (her mom's dog? I dunno), for instance, are *definitely* L-cuts to speed things along/advance the story. Anyway, ergh, I'm rambling at this point. Someone upthread mentioned taking pain meds and getting chatty; Benadryl over here and SAME STORY, DIFFERENT DRUG. Wheee-eee... 11 Link to comment
Cephalosapien July 24, 2017 Share July 24, 2017 ALSO: re Ashely -- Looks like dear ol' Deb has set up a conservatorship for both Ashley *AND* Farrah! That's enough to make anyone PO'ed. Conservatorship: "Conservatorship is a legal concept in the United States of America. A guardian or a protector is appointed by a judge to manage the financial affairs and/or daily life of another due to physical or mental limitations, or old age." (source: Wikipedia - I know, I know) 3 Link to comment
MyPeopleAreNordic July 24, 2017 Share July 24, 2017 14 hours ago, Cephalosapien said: ALSO: re Ashely -- Looks like dear ol' Deb has set up a conservatorship for both Ashley *AND* Farrah! That's enough to make anyone PO'ed. Conservatorship: "Conservatorship is a legal concept in the United States of America. A guardian or a protector is appointed by a judge to manage the financial affairs and/or daily life of another due to physical or mental limitations, or old age." (source: Wikipedia - I know, I know) What? Why???? 10 Link to comment
Cephalosapien July 25, 2017 Share July 25, 2017 7 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said: What? Why???? I'm not sure. There weren't too many details available - though I did hit a paywall a few times. Nothing via PACER either. I might try PACER again just for funzies. 3 Link to comment
ginger90 July 28, 2017 Share July 28, 2017 On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 9:13 PM, ginger90 said: Hmmmm, "wedding venue exploring" with Ashley https://www.instagram.com/p/BWoXdz9lkw7/?taken-by=ddanielsen1&hl=en They decided on the zoo....... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TNQQOvBH8RE&feature=youtu.be 1 Link to comment
ghoulina July 28, 2017 Share July 28, 2017 Ewwww, stay out of my zoo!!!! I feel like I need to start a Go Fund Me to get therapy for all the sharks, rays, turtles, and fish in our lovely aquarium, since they'll have no choice but to witness this vomitrocious event. *currently plotting what I can do in South O that day to shut down access to the zoo* 6 Link to comment
MaddyMaeboxerbabe July 29, 2017 Share July 29, 2017 The zoo seems like a very appropriate venue for those two. Her voice bugs the crap out of me! 4 Link to comment
guilfoyleatpp July 30, 2017 Share July 30, 2017 Why the zoo? I have been to many weddings, never a wedding at a zoo or an aquarium. I don't get it. What am I missing? Golf courses, parks, churches, people's homes, hotel ballrooms, bed and breakfasts, beach, sure, all of that. What's so irresistible about a zoo? Does MTV have some sort of zoo incentive? 3 Link to comment
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