Maci

[Calm81]

36 minutes ago, Tatum said:

OK, totally off topic, but how do you do this? How do people with kids at home also work? If there is a secret please tell me. I work in an office but at least once a month one of my kids gets sick, and sent home not just for the day, but for the next day as well, and it's usually when I am super busy at work. So, I have to try and work from home since my kid can't be at daycare. Even sending the healthy kid to school so I only have one at home, this is IMPOSSIBLE.  My baby crawls over my laptop. He whines when I set him down. He naps for maybe one hour on a good day, and trying to work off my one laptop when I am used to three monitors at work- that one hour, even with ZERO interruptions, is painfully inefficient compared to being in my office.

 

Also agree Taylor is next to worthless. Maci's desperation to get married has bit her in the ass big time.

 

It is not easy. The worst part is that I'm a writer (please ignore any grammatical errors on this site because I'm more relaxed on here after having to deliver error-free assignments, ha) that needs to produce creative material with noisy kids around.

The way I make it work is that I've set up my living room (we have two living rooms) almost like a daycare center. Everything is childproof and gated from the rest of the home. The room has an educational section, and the other side has their favorite toys. On the opposite side of the gate, I have the T.V for the Disney channel to entertain them.

I do my writing in the kitchen with a view of their every moment while keeping the little ones off my laptop. They always want to climb on my laptop. I take my lunch break at the same time they eat then the other half an hour I take them outside to play or do educational activities.

It was a struggle at first to get a solid routine, and it is a challenge to block out the kids and their cartoons, but it gets done. If I were only to do this once a month when one would get sick, like you have to, it would be hard because I wouldn't have a routine to fall on. As soon as the youngest goes to school, I'm going back to working in an office as I miss adult interactions.

[Tatum]

Yeah, I can't work from home. Even without interruptions from the kids, it just can't compare to the setup I have at work. It takes like, three to four hours to accomplish the same amount of work I could probably do in one hour at the office. Hats off to those who make it work.

Maci is lazy, but not as much as Taylor. I am still waiting for confirmation that he has a job outside of selling his pocket tshirts, but haven't seen anything. Remember how Maci had to offer to blow him in order to get him to help with the household chores? 

 

I do take some comfort in knowing that if Maci ever does wrangle him down the aisle, once she has her wedding ring on she is going to turn into such a bitch to Taylor, who totally has it coming.

[geekamonggeeks]

So they're running an "OG" marathon and Maci (who's newly pregnant with Jayde at this point), tells her friend that she first started going to college in January 2009. And she's still in class and talking about graduating that spring, which I'm fairly sure didn't happen since she pretty much dropped out as soon as her second pregnancy got confirmed. Anyway, I graduated high school in June 2009. I already have my degree and am going back to school. At the time this episode aired, Maci spent about five years getting her Associates Degree. It's just...my God. She's spent five years trying to get a degree that can usually be obtained within two. At this point, she'll probably get her degree by the time Maverick's in college. It's almost insulting that she's still trying to act like furthering her education is her top priority when there's literal video proof that it never was and never will be.

[WhosThatGirl]

I always feel like I can' t talk about Maci's college thing, only because it's taking me a long time to do college, due to a chronic spinal muscler problem. I've had to stop and start many times because of it so saying anything bad about her college degree isn't something i can do. That said, I can't with her having miracle babies.

Edited July 27, 2016 by WhosThatGirl

[Tatum]

Yeah, Maci has always been full of shit about college. I will grant that her first semester would have been very difficult- Bentley was 2-3 months old at the time, Maci was living off her graduation money (the Teen Mom checks wouldn't come for another year), and only had enough babysitting offered to go to class- she still had to study and do homework on her own time, while watching Bentley. Ryan wouldn't even take him for an hour so Maci could study. Seriously, it's late, Maci has been with the baby all day, she asks Ryan to take him to let her study for an hour uninterrupted, and that shit bag says no, he's too tired.

 

However, by the next year, Maci had daycare options, and it was pretty cheap (for daycare). I think they said it was about $300-$400 a month, and that would be all day so Maci could have went to class and still had time for studying or homework after class. Figuring the first year was pretty much a wash, she still could have gotten that degree by Jan 2012. Yet here we are 4 years later, and I am fairly certain she never finished her last semester. While one might think that is ridiculous to be ONE semester away from graduating and not finish, that's one semester in normal time. In Maci time, one semester (assume full time course load of 12 to 15 credit hours), is probably still two years worth of classes.

 

Not to mention I don't believe her degree (some division of mass comm) is really all that marketable or lucrative so even if she does get it, she won't be able to support herself in the lifestyle she's accustomed to with that career path.

[geekamonggeeks]

28 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said:

I always feel like I can' t talk about Maci's college thing, only because it's taking me a long time to do college, due to a chronic spinal muscler problem. I've had to stop and start many times because of it so saying anything bad about her college degree isn't something i can do. That said, I can't with her having miracle babies.

Talk away, my friend. There's a huge difference between having to take time off due to health or financial issues, and then taking time off because you're a lazy slug like Maci.

Edited July 27, 2016 by geekamonggeeks
Grammar matters

[WhosThatGirl]

10 minutes ago, geekamonggeeks said:

Talk away, my friend. There's a huge difference between having to take time off to health or financial issues, and then taking time off because you're a lazy slug like Maci.

The thing is, Maci was trying at first to do the college and raise Bentley. But then when she had moved in with Kyle, she told one of her friends she didn't want to go to school anymore. She wanted to be a stay at home mom. Which is fine and totally awesome, anyone who can be a stay at home mom I commend you because being a mom is hard work but then I agree with others, she does try to act like she has been working at this for years when there were periods of time where she was clearly phoning it in. I can't think she was doing a good job in her classes when she was telling people she didn't want to be there. 

But my thing with Maci is just shes so fake. It was obvious she was pregnant last season and yet she had endorsements she had to keep doing-wasn't she doing some sort of waist trainer on Instagram?- and she wasn't engaged.  

And while Maci may be happy they are engaged, this is her 2nd engagement, Ryan proposed to her a time ago too, they didn't make it down the aisle. Maybe Taylor will but that may be because of the teen mom special episode they are going to get for it. 

[poopchute]

Daycare $300 a month??! Ugh.  I'm looking at daycares right now and the cheapest I could find was $1000 a month but it was a shithole.  Most are $1200.  

[poopchute]

ugh sorry!

Edited July 27, 2016 by poopchute

[poopchute]

double post

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[Tatum]

5 minutes ago, poopchute said:

Daycare $300 a month??! Ugh.  I'm looking at daycares right now and the cheapest I could find was $1000 a month but it was a shithole.  Most are $1200.  

No doubt. We go to one the less expensive centers and it's still $475 a week. A year of daycare costs almost the same amount of money my college degree cost my parents in 2001-2004. However, I think the daycare Maci was looking at was affiliated with her school and may have given her a discount. Plus I think Chattanooga is relatively low cost of living.

[poopchute]

43 minutes ago, Tatum said:

No doubt. We go to one the less expensive centers and it's still $475 a week. A year of daycare costs almost the same amount of money my college degree cost my parents in 2001-2004. However, I think the daycare Maci was looking at was affiliated with her school and may have given her a discount. Plus I think Chattanooga is relatively low cost of living.

Woah I guess I shouldn't complain because that's INSANE.

[poopchute]

45 minutes ago, Tatum said:

 

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[poopchute]

46 minutes ago, Tatum said:

 

46 minutes ago, Tatum said:

 

omg I give up. Everything I post is posting three times ?

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[Calm81]

10 minutes ago, poopchute said:

omg I give up. Everything I post is posting three times ?

Same happened to me earlier today. Quadruple post. :-(

[Tatum]

40 minutes ago, poopchute said:

Woah I guess I shouldn't complain because that's INSANE.

Well that is for two kids. When my daughter first started it was $235 a week, or just a little over $1,000 a month. It's a nice center, but a stand alone, not like Kindercare or New Horizon. New Horizon is almost $400 a week for ONE baby. And that is in the less expensive suburb that I live in! Stroll ten miles south and it's over $400. Don't know how people with twins deal with that sticker shock in the beginning.

 

A friend of mine lives in NYC and she says it's actually just as cost effective to hire a private nanny as it is to use a daycare center. Think the cost was around $800-$1,000 a week- for ONE.

[Katt]

lol, if anyone lives in SE OK, I'd do it for about $100 a week and I'm not entirely insane. :p

[Caracoa1]

Maci will be filing for divorce within one year of saying her marriage vows!  She will be pregnant with "miracle child # 4" in 2 years ...sad...

[qtpye]

17 hours ago, Katt said:

lol, if anyone lives in SE OK, I'd do it for about $100 a week and I'm not entirely insane. :p

Katt, if you really want to make good money...there are people I know that hire someone to just DRIVE their kids to extracurricular activities.  The person picks the kid up and drives them to the soccer game or what ever it is and stay there until the parent gets off from work and the parent then takes the kid home. That's it.  It like being an Uber driver for children.

[Pdxblonde]

3 hours ago, qtpye said:

Katt, if you really want to make good money...there are people I know that hire someone to just DRIVE their kids to extracurricular activities.  The person picks the kid up and drives them to the soccer game or what ever it is and stay there until the parent gets off from work and the parent then takes the kid home. That's it.  It like being an Uber driver for children.

We did this when my stepdaughter did competitive gymnastics. It started at 3:45 so we hired a gal to pick her and take her, and then my husband or I would pick her up at 7:00. Now that she is 16 and has her own car, there is no need for it, but it was great when we needed it. It got to the point where one of us would have to leave work early (it was 3 days a week) and we needed a solution. Found her on care.com actually.

[qtpye]

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We did this when my stepdaughter did competitive gymnastics. It started at 3:45 so we hired a gal to pick her and take her, and then my husband or I would pick her up at 7:00. Now that she is 16 and has her own car, there is no need for it, but it was great when we needed it. It got to the point where one of us would have to leave work early (it was 3 days a week) and we needed a solution. Found her on care.com actually

There really is a need for this sort of thing.  We have kids in gymnastics and will be in the same boat when they get older.  I always thought it was a good way to make money and it does not come with most of the responsibilities of child care.

[Elizabeth9]

18 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

Maci will be filing for divorce within one year of saying her marriage vows!  She will be pregnant with "miracle child # 4" in 2 years ...sad...

Probably is pregnant and throwing back a Coors Light right now...

[Tatum]

On 7/27/2016 at 8:27 PM, Caracoa1 said:

Maci will be filing for divorce within one year of saying her marriage vows!  She will be pregnant with "miracle child # 4" in 2 years ...sad...

I agree with the first for sure. In fact, I don't even know that I'd bet money on her lasting more than 6 months. She wants A. a wedding, and B. to say she was married. Divorced with three kids sounds way better than never married with three kids from two different dads.

 

I don't think she'll get pregnant again though until she eventually remarries someone else. She has learned the hard way that a baby doesn't equal a marriage proposal that actually leads to a wedding (while I think Jayde was planned, I still think Maverick was carelessness/laziness vs. intentional), and twice now she's picked guys that will 100% leave her holding the bag. Even Maci has to have some capacity for learning.

[Caracoa1]

Maci wants a blow out wedding with the fancy dress,  booze and the paparazzi to record it...not a marriage.

[DoctorWhovian]

On July 27, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Caracoa1 said:

Maci will be filing for divorce within one year of saying her marriage vows!  She will be pregnant with "miracle child # 4" in 2 years ...sad...

This reads like a Donald Trump tweet lol

[Talky Tina]

Don't know where else to put this.  Fuck this loser piece of shit. 

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2016/08/21/update-teen-mom-og-star-ryan-edwards-has-house-searched-by-police-after-bragging-about-killing-cats/

[DangerousMinds]

Disgusting. I hope he is charged with a felony.

Edited August 22, 2016 by DangerousMinds

[EmeraldGirl]

Oh my god. That's a totally serial killer move (not implying he is, of course, but who hasn't read that in many profiles). Lured them. 

[MissMel]

The bragging and posting was stupid. Feral cats can be more than a nuisance. They do cause major damage and can be a threat. It's not illegal to shoot them. (Shoot to kill, not shoot for entertainment.) Especially in rural areas. Livestock is protected by law. Wild animals can be eliminated as well as pets if they pose a threat. This is just basic information.

I'm currently watching a family of wild turkeys outside my window. I just set out fresh water for the feral colony in my garage. They were fed earlier so they can nap during the day. They hunt after the sun goes down. We participate in our county's free sterilization program for feral cats. We can't "catch 'em all" but we can try to do our part to live in harmony with our pets, livestock, and wild animals. It's the responsible thing to do.

Now having said all that; Fuck Ryan. If he was luring the cats then he's just an asshole. That's so wrong. And it is against the law. Dumbass shouldn't have to be told that. Then again, he shouldn't have to be told posting and egging people on is stupid either. Ryan is a big time stoner and appears to be slow because of it. I never thought he was deficient otherwise but it seems like I was wrong. Killing animals is necessary and beneficial but there is a grey area on what it considered sport. This doesn't fit into any of that. This, if true, is solidly in the wrong and he deserves the felony.  At least. He probably deserves more but I'll wait to make any further comments on that. 

Way to be a dick, Ryan. I take back every single time I thought he was attractive in the past. This is deep down ugly to the bone. I hope his dad rips him a new asshole, his mom keeps her mouth shut, and the law locks his ass up. It will be interesting to how they handle his new identity of being a reality show felon if he's convicted. 

[ghoulina]

The Edwardses do not own livestock, do they? Do they farm? If he was actually LURING them onto the property, that sounds like they weren't really a problem. But IF someone did have a problem with feral cats threatening their family or property in any way, and had to kill them, a civilized person certainly wouldn't post about it on social media, like it was something to be proud of. I would do anything to protect my babies. But if I had to take down a feral cat or rabid dog, I know I would still feel very badly for the animal. He is evil inside. 

Edited August 22, 2016 by ghoulina

[EmeraldGirl]

I guess if they've got him on a felony (or seem to be leading that way) it wasn't within the guidelines of what can be done with feral animals. And yeah, I'm an animal lover. I couldn't personally kill a cat of any kind, let alone lure it to its death, or show that off.  The family house always just looks like suburbia to me. I know nothing about where they live, but it doesn't look like any sort of farm. I'm sure he'll first time plead out/buy out. What does Larry do for a living? I love his freewheeling, beer drinking rants. But in the end it seems that mommy always wins in bailing him out in life. 

[Tatum]

Larry and Jen do seem like good, if enabling, people though. I have to imagine they are pretty horrified. I wonder how Ryan is going to explain this one to mommy. Also, if he lives with his parents, didn't they notice stray cats coming around? Very strange story.

Also, , torturing a cat (all moral objections aside) still seems like more effort than I would have ever thought Ryan capable of exerting.

[truelovekiss]

What the ever loving fuck...? That's disgusting. 

First of all, if you're going to commit a crime, why are you posting evidence? Also, does he think anyone who is friends with him on social media would approve of this? I'm going to go out on a limb and say most people would be disgusted by this, as we all are.

As far as Maci and Bentley go, I really feel bad for poor Bentley. His dad has always been clearly disinterested in him, and now we know that he's a psychopath who is capable of violence. And I don't blame Maci if she seriously reconsiders keeping Bentley away from Jen and Larry if Ryan goes away (or even if he doesn't). While I'm a believer in personal responsibility, and that Ryan can't blame his shittiness on his parents forever, he's like 28 years old and still living in their house. That gives them a certain amount of control and influence over him, and they couldn't or wouldn't stop this. I think he grew up as Jen's little prince, and they've over compensated for his screw ups for a long time now. She saw what a shit father her son was, so she became the best grandma she could, taking care of her own grandson and his half sibling(s) at a moment's notice. But as long as she covers for Ryan's shortcomings, she's putting him before Bentley, and Maci can't let someone who doesn't put Bentley first take care of him.

I'm hoping now more than ever before that Maci and Taylor are the real deal, and that Taylor is a good stepfather to Bentley. Bentley deserves a stable and loving family, and he clearly isn't getting it from Team Edwards.

[geekamonggeeks]

Ryan is dead to me. I used to find him sort of attractive (it's the silver fox thing), but not anymore. Did he really confess to killing cats? What a scumbag. I don't like Maci, either, and I think she tends to use Bentley as a pawn sometimes. But I wouldn't blame her if she kept him away from his paternal family for a while after this. I don't think Ryan would hurt him, but it's still a screwed-up situation to subject to a little boy who's already uncomfortable around his father to begin with. 

[EmeraldGirl]

And a little already sensitive boy who apparently loves animals. Those two boxers were kind of treated like babies (I hope they still are with the addition of more babies). Have we ever seen a pet at the Ryan's house?  Not that I'd ever judge whether having pets makes you empathetic to animals, but I have seen some petless families who really don't get our affection for them. Of course they wouldn't lure and kill them either. 

[Tatum]

3 minutes ago, EmeraldGirl said:

And a little already sensitive boy who apparently loves animals. Those two boxers were kind of treated like babies (I hope they still are with the addition of more babies). Have we ever seen a pet at the Ryan's house?  Not that I'd ever judge whether having pets makes you empathetic to animals, but I have seen some petless families who really don't get our affection for them. Of course they wouldn't lure and kill them either. 

Hand raised high. I have never owned pets and have no use for them. My daughter would be lucky to get a goldfish, and I'm not even sure I want to commit to that. That said, the thought of mistreating or killing pets for fun is a disgusting thought even to me. I don't even like to watch Jenelle neglect her pets, and she's merely indifferent, not a sadist. (Although someone that is indifferent to pets should not own them, but that's not relevant here).

[MissMel]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

The Edwardses do not own livestock, do they? Do they farm? If he was actually LURING them onto the property, that sounds like they weren't really a problem. But IF someone did have a problem with feral cats threatening their family or property in any way, and had to kill them, a civilized person certainly wouldn't post about it on social media, like it was something to be proud of. I would do anything to protect my babies. But if I had to take down a feral cat or rabid dog, I know I would still feel very badly for the animal. He is evil inside. 

Thank you. This is what I was trying to say but you stated it much more clearer than I did. 

As far as the livestock, no I don't think they have any. It doesn't really matter though. I was just trying to point out the general level of protection when it comes to animals. Livestock is at the top, then pets, then wild animals. (Very basically) The luring part is what disgusts me. It's also the grey area. Luring and gloating is disturbing but depending on zoning, it could be within the law. If the animals are wild. And if the laws aren't broken. Looks like Ryan broke some, probably for shooting after dark and possibly for the luring in a residential zone. (Pets might have been attracted too.)Then there's cruelty as well. 

So basically dumbass advertised himself committing several crimes. And was proud of himself doing it. I hope his mom doesn't try to cover his ass on this too. It's way past time for him to learn a lesson. He ain't that special and now he's looking at being a felon. Serves them right. 

Edited August 22, 2016 by MissMel

[Talky Tina]

I live on 38 acres and I do have some livestock but I would never, ever, ever kill an animal that came on to my property unless it was attacking me and I had to to save my own life.  I had a small colony of feral cats that I took care of before I moved to the country, they came with me. I made a cat house for then and they will live their lives out on my land.   I'm an animal lover and a firm believer that all kids need a pet in their lives.  If Bentley had a pet cat that pissed Ryan off, would he kill it? 

I don't understand how anybody with a heart could kill an animal in this manner.  It seems like he just did it because he was bored or something. 

Sorry if my thoughts are all over the place. Stuff like this really upsets me.  I agree with the poster who said that him luring the cats onto his property for the sole purpose of killing them is serial killer shit. 

[TM2]

19 hours ago, MissMel said:

"Thank you. This is what I was trying to say but you stated it much more clearer than I did. 

As far as the livestock, no I don't think they have any. It doesn't really matter though. I was just trying to point out the general level of protection when it comes to animals. Livestock is at the top, then pets, then wild animals. (Very basically) The luring part is what disgusts me. It's also the grey area. Luring and gloating is disturbing but depending on zoning, it could be within the law. If the animals are wild. And if the laws aren't broken. Looks like Ryan broke some, probably for shooting after dark and possibly for the luring in a residential zone. (Pets might have been attracted too.)Then there's cruelty as well.

So basically dumbass advertised himself committing several crimes. And was proud of himself doing it. I hope his mom doesn't try to cover his ass on this too. It's way past time for him to learn a lesson. He ain't that special and now he's looking at being a felon. Serves them right. "

 

 

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You are only talking about laws. Laws don't tell me shit. It is within the law in some countries to behead people. That does not mean that if I would live in that country I would be fine with it and even gloat about those practices happening. There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with people who hunt for sport! Period. There is also something wrong with people who hunt for sport and put those pictures out like they have done such a amazing thing worth mentioning. Then there is Ryan, who probably has no reason to have killed those cats. He still did, he bragged abou and people still defend him cause maybe it was within the law. I am a decent human not because of the law. But because of my morals. There is something seriously wrong with him for not even having a moral compass.

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[TM2]

I have no idea what went wrong there with my post but there it is.
 

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, TM2 said:

 

You are only talking about laws. Laws don't tell me shit. It is within the law in some countries to behead people. That does not mean that if I would live in that country I would be fine with it and even gloat about those practices happening. There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with people who hunt for sport! Period. There is also something wrong with people who hunt for sport and put those pictures out like they have done such a amazing thing worth mentioning. Then there is Ryan, who probably has no reason to have killed those cats. He still did, he bragged abou and people still defend him cause maybe it was within the law. I am a decent human not because of the law. But because of my morals. There is something seriously wrong with him for not even having a moral compass.

The poster was talking about the likelihood of Ryan having legal consequences to his actions, not defending his right to kill non  threatening animals. No one here has defended Ryan for these accusations.

[MissMel]

Thank you @Tatum 

[EmeraldGirl]

Just saw part of a rerun ... the Edwards house is very suburbia. Homes across the street, and right next door appeared to be a house with an above ground pool. Funny, it always looks so country. They just have a big yard. And what irony - the part I saw had them all sitting outside (some drama ensued when Maci came to get Bentley, so Ryan ran off to chop wood), and along comes a dog. They DO have a dog (have we ever seen Bentley playing with a dog?) ... looked like a golden retriever. And what is the first thing that happens? Ryan looks like he's going to pet it, yet pokes it in the eyes. Dog flinches. I kid you not. 

[ghoulina]

Pokes it in the eye???? On purpose?? What is wrong with that dude? Jen and Larry, while obviously too permissive, seem like very nice people. Ryan must just truly be a bad seed. 

[radishcake]

Guys try to keep it civil. Remember to post your opinion and not argue with other posters. You can always use the ignore feature if there is someone posting stuff you don't personally like.

[eskimo]

Ryan has always seemed completely devoid of emotion.  He has a very flat affect at all times.  I agree with those that can't believe Larry and Jen produced Ryan.  I think it's time they boot his ass out.  I'm sure he makes enough from MTV to get a place of his own.  I can tell Larry is fed up with him. 

[SPLAIN]

Many great parents raise children who happen to by psychotic, sociopaths, have mental disorders or are just plain assholes. I hate to put any blame on Larry and Jen for the actions of Ryan. Ryan is 100 percent responsible for his actions just as Catelynn, Tyler, Amber, Farrah and the rest of these people are responsible for their actions or lack thereof. Too many times the parents get all the blame when all that does is remove the responsibility from the children.

[ghoulina]

I've always thought how kids turn out was a mixture of nature and nurture, sometimes leaning more to one than the other. There's no one set cause.  Ryan, as an adult, is absolutely 100% responsible for his actions. I like Larry and Jen, I think they have good hearts. But I would be lying if I said I didn't think they were at all to blame for Ryan's behavior. I think they were probably way too lax with him when he was younger, and enabled him to be the spoiled, shiftless loser he is today. He is, what? 26 now? 27? And he still lives at home. I'm not a big stickler for pushing the kids out the minute they turn 18. In other countries, multi-generational living is quite common. But you gotta pull your weight. And I doubt Ryan does. Does he even work? If so, does he help contribute to the household? I doubt it. He probably just pays for his car and having fun and then comes home eats all his mama's food. If that were my child...nope. Wouldn't be happening. 

But some of his actions are so deplorable, I cannot believe that is just a result of some indulgent raising. I think there was probably something wrong with him from the get go, so maybe he would have turned out shitty even if he HAD had super strict parents. Who knows, there's really no way to tell. But it's interesting to speculate. 

[Drapers4thWife]

Ryan is  disgusting human being. Animal cruelty is only a hair's breadth above child abuse in my eyes, and can sometimes be worse. I always disliked him in a reality show kind of way, but now he's vaulted into "truly despicable human being for real" territory. 

I do blame Jen and Larry in that Ryan has been committing these crimes on their property. He's almost 30 years old with a child. He's unemployed but has MTV money yet they allow him to live with them and support him. They are the part-time parents to his kid because he can't be bothered and let his string of girlfriends play wifey in their house. Not what I would do, but fine. But letting him commit crimes and terrorize animals on their property is another thing.

I've always thought Ryan's mother acts like a battered wife when it comes to her son, but chalked that up to his verbal abuse. (Anytime she starts to venture even mild disagreement with something Ryan says, he snaps at her or becomes rageful and she instantly shuts down.) Now I'm wondering if it's gone beyond that. I don't understand Larry. He seems so sensible and obviously is unhappy about Ryan because he actually ventures some mild criticism sometimes, but why doesn't he just kick Ryan's sorry ass out? 

If I were Maci, I would go to court and try to get only supervised visitation for Ryan with Bentley until he's at least gone into therapy (plus whatever legal consequences he's now facing). This is that serious. I would allowe Jen and Larry separate visitation but only on the grounds Ryan is not present.

[Tatum]

37 minutes ago, Drapers4thWife said:

I would allowe Jen and Larry separate visitation but only on the grounds Ryan is not present.

I don't know that she has to do that. Jen has said before that Ryan makes himself scarce when Bentley is over unless the cameras are also over.

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

I've always thought how kids turn out was a mixture of nature and nurture, sometimes leaning more to one than the other. There's no one set cause.  Ryan, as an adult, is absolutely 100% responsible for his actions. I like Larry and Jen, I think they have good hearts. But I would be lying if I said I didn't think they were at all to blame for Ryan's behavior. I think they were probably way too lax with him when he was younger, and enabled him to be the spoiled, shiftless loser he is today. He is, what? 26 now? 27? And he still lives at home.

I agree. Also, I believe Ryan is 28. Pretty sure he was born in January 1988.  He has lived away from home on and off the last 10 years, but it was reported that he was evicted from the last place for not paying rent. I absolutely believe Ryan was raised to not have much consequences for his actions and he doesn't seem to really have much empathy for anyone.