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I have no idea what went wrong there with my post but there it is.

Someone mentioned this before and I was thinking the same thing since I just can't comprehend the lazy uncreative way they went about the Arya story. But is it a possibility that the Waif won the fight and is wearing Arya's face? The faceless man could've had the same dialogue with the waif. She was just like Arya waiting to become 'no one' and all this time she wasn't ready either. Now here is she finally no one .Those words could've easily been said to the waif. Maybe she was no one and assumed her new identity with new face and said 'i am arya stark of winterfell'. I understand that Arya could've said that as well since she really is Arya Stark of winterfell but why would the faceless man say she is finally 'no one' to Arya and be proud since she obviously wasn't no one and she went back to who she was all along. She also walked away with no pain or any wounds. The waif didn't have any wounds and would've walked away like that. I'm just grasping here since I just can't accept the horrible way they wrote her story. It could've been so much better. I don't get any of it. Badly written or just more to it. I hope it's the last but since everyone on here is assuming it all went as we've seen it probably was just badly written.

Yeah but I see some claiming here that he shouldn't pay anything more anyway since Kail has enough money so if Jo is willing to pay extra then he must be aware that he is not paying enough. I know that it is the amount that is scaring him shitless but no normal person would think he would have to pay that much unless they know something we don't. It is relevant because questioning something (Jo in this case) does not equal suggesting he is a dead beat dad. This is a open forum and I've read a lot of posts and responded to yours and I wanted to say there is no post here suggesting he is a dead beat dad and I have never seen it be anyone's position in any discussion. It is relevant since it is incorrect.

Well. Except he WAS on the verge of tears when he was at the park with them. That is why Kail started crying and decided to not let it go through court (in that moment anyway). For whatever reason he is scared shitless about going to court. He is also scared shitless that he won't have a dime left. I have no idea why. But you can check the episodes if you want to see despair. I actually felt sorry for him even though I have no idea why he is so afraid of the outcome. He seems very on edge. Not at all as how he has behaved before. I have seen no one ever saying on here that Jo was a dead beat dad. This is no fake storyline as far as I can tell. There is no way these people can act that good. Even if things of this childsupport thing are not the way they seem. There is no way that it is all made up. Not because they are above it but because they would suck at making it look real.

All of these people get less likeable the more they are shown. So I for one was already thinking that Vee was really jumpy and argumentative and that Vee and Jo probably fight a whole lot. And this was before this mess since they did break up a while ago. I am not making any illusions of these people. Most of them (all really) are kind of the same in a lot of ways. Especially Vee,Jo,Kail and Javi. Vee even is like some of Kails friends. It is just that she is dating her ex that makes them enemies but they are all kind of the same.

Kail is not the person who initiated this. The state did.

Oh my God. Thank you! It is so strange reading all these posts who are about Kail being this higly intelligent manipulator who can just take advantage of stupid Jo who has no idea how to string his shoes. That dude is no fool. Years ago when they first got together you could tell he was all over his finances. And as you stated and you can tell on Vee's twitter account she says on more then one occasion that they know this and that etc. So it is not like they are winging it. Anyway. Kail is not the issue here. She can't make Jo NOT do things (like work) or make his childsupport so that he has no dime left. That is on him. The fact that we assume Jo doesn't know this or that is because not all is shown. If they both got the letter and Kail brings it up that does not make her greedy person. Especially since the re-evaluation of the childsupport is not something they should be discussing between them in the first place. Kail decided with Jo to look at it between themselves. It is not a obligation. Since Jo wants it that way (I have no idea why!) he should be more lenient since Kail has no reason to just go along with it when she can just relax and let the courts handle it. Sometimes it really is damned if you do, damned if you don't. If Kail didn't want to go through the courts then everyone would be saying that she was manipulating him and Jo should no way oblige with her because she will make him regret it. I mean, come on. Most of the time Kail's the idiot but in this case Jo is not making sense at all. It is a mess and nothing is cleared up. Jo thinks he will pay thousands of dollars and Kail says they need to get this childsupport revised. Nothing more has been shown. I feel like Pandaface will probably bring it up during the reunion so we'll have to wait and see.

I could swear Jo exactly said the opposite thing. He said he does NOT want a 9-5. LOL @ second part of your post.

The Jo/Kail storyline just makes my head spin. I see a lot of comments about how Kail is this and that but there is one thing she cannot do and that is make Jo say things. I like to look at these people on their own behaviours, not against each others behaviours. So that is exactly why I am baffled by what the hell Jo is doing right now and what is up with this whole child support thing. Jo is no pushover and when it comes to money he will be the first one to say (as he has done before) that he feels he is paying enough. He will also be the first one to say that he shouldn't be paying for expensive stuff Kail decides on. So since Jo is no fool in that sense. I am wondering WHY he agreed to increase childsupport outside of court if he has no job. Why on earth he thinks he will have to pay 3000 a month if he doesn't have a job and does go through the court. Why does he trust dealing with Kail more then the courts. What is it that they both seem to know but we don't. If Kail is really sure of it that he has no job and no money, then there is no way that girl will want to go to court since she knows she will lose and get a decrease and maybe even less time with her son. Since she is still willing to do that I wonder why. She also said in the conversation with Jo that he has to pay more on top of what he already ows? I don't know what that is about but Jo didn't counteract that. I just have no idea what is going on with them. The fact that he has no job doesn't matter if he pays his childsupport but why is Jo acting so weird about it..'no I dont want a 9 to 5 since I want to spend time with Isaac'..Huh?? I also think Jo is incredibly stressed out. I don't know what is up but maybe some things will be clarified next week. Javi needs to butt out though. I feel Kail and Jo are much more prone to get to something if he just shuts up. He is just egging her on, just when she kind of seems to do the smart thing for once and takes a pause and doesn't react immediately he comes in with the manipulation games. I will have to say this. Their kids seem to be best behaved of all of the kids. Aubree is just a smarter version of Chelsea in the making so cute now..not so cute later.

Just because it is Kail doesn't mean it is something that was intentional. It is obvious that she was just summing it up without specifying. Javi was there when Jo showed up late and she already said at the event that Jo thought it was at six. So it is not like she is pulling something here. We saw it and she said it herself and Javi was there too. A little far fetched.

Yeah I think it is also unlike Jo as far as I've seen him. He doesn't seem like someone who would just not go for such a reason. Maybe Vee is indeed giving him a hard time about it or something else is going on we are not aware off. Well apparently (so says Kail) MTV is pushing these convo's about Jo since she wants to show off her school accomplishments. https://twitter.com/KailLowry/status/644845045930164225 https://twitter.com/KailLowry/status/644845211399639040

Im going to give her pass on that since well..EVERYONE does that. Everyone seems to be pretty if you believe every social media account out there but I was referring to the pictures made of her not the pictures she makes of herself. Yeah she can be pretty if she takes care of herself. Unfortunately the inside of her is a huge sociopathic mess.

I can't believe this is the way Chelsea talks to her daughter. She ASKED Aubree if she wants to draw Cole something for FATHERS day!! This was what I have been sensing all along. Chelsea is implying, suggesting and motivating which really means MANIPULATING her child to obsess over Cole just like she is obsessing over Cole. I really was shocked at how she is pushing this with all she can. Why can't she just let her daughter be. And again another thing which I already thought of her, this girl is in no way mature. The fact that she said 'I wish he (adam) would just go away because we are fine now'. Meaning, she has Cole now so he can fuck off. Way to think of your daughter you selfsentered baby. I can sympathize with Jo but even Adam shows up to Aubree's events and graduation and we all know how obsessive Lois Griffin, Randy and Chelsea all are when it comes to Adam. Talking, laughing like school kids themselves so uncomfortable does not negate your responsibilities. He can just hug Isaac and tell him he did ok and leave. Jo doesn't have to stand with him/them. I think he is just not doing well all together but that was probably just after moving so a lot of shit at home with Vee probably and feeling the stress of it all. Still, no need to just be absent. I do applaud Kail (learn Chelsea!) for not telling or asking Isaac about Jo when he didn't show up, the same with the soccer game when she asked Javi to not talk about the game so Isaac will not feel like he missed it. Jenelle. Well. She is a dependent person. I wish she was dependent on her sons instead of all these random men. This has nothing to do with Nathan. Any guy she is with she becomes obsessed with. It doesn't matter who it is. How can we forget when she was running after the car where Kieffer was in. She just can't be alone and gets overwhelmed when she left alone. She needs therapy, like the day before yesterday. Leah. Nothing there. Like really, nothing. Jeremy really is not that good of a guy as Cory is but it seems they are kind of the same type of guy and not surprised that they can hang out. You could see they had trouble from keeping from laughing.

Ok. Maybe I didn't make myself clear all that well. 'The making shit up part' was about Isaac being ignored at home. I haven't seen that. The part about him evening the playing field, I'll just wait till that time comes. I think he is not dumb and will know (and I am sure his parents are supportive of him) that he can have more custody and pay less child support and will ask for that if he wants too. Yep and he did say he was happy he was able to take Isaac to school, his games and stuff. Which is really good for Isaac and will make him feel that his dad is really part of his life. I think it must be a great change for Isaac feeling his dad is really involved in daily life stuff. I applaud Jo for moving for his son since he really had to take a whole lot on by doing that. Especially since he knows how over the top Kail can react but I am glad it worked out.