Hopes and Fears: How Will We Survive This Island? (Speculation WITHOUT Spoilers)

[kismet]

I hated TQ in s1-2, I would have gladly been ok with her dead and Moira alive. But I've come to like how they have matured her character. And when the plotlines are about her and MM, I do really enjoy her sweet snark. I don't mind her limited subplots.

I also feel like she provides us a window and view into OQ, that none of the other characters manage to get. Perhaps it is her lines, or her chemistry with people (esp SA), but I actually feel like she is a real character.

Sadly, because she works now, is probably why she will be reduced. I do also understand WH wanting or needing to have a limited schedule. It just stinks for the show, that we could lose another female character, especially when she works.

[BkWurm1]

2 hours ago, Proteus said:

It makes me sad that WH is likely leaving. But I'm trying to just accept it now and move on.

Of course it's totally spec that she will leave.  

[Starfish35]

After reading the live posting thread, they're totally going to end this season by having Oliver outing himself as GA to the world, aren't they? :(  Crap.

[statsgirl]

I hate the idea that Oliver is going to out himself as the Green Arrow but after that last episode, only people living in caves don't realize who he is.

Now I'm worried that Oliver is going to feel responsible for Susan and hire her to be his press sexretary.

[Chaser]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

I hate the idea that Oliver is going to out himself as the Green Arrow but after that last episode, only people living in caves don't realize who he is.

Now I'm worried that Oliver is going to feel responsible for Susan and hire her to be his press sexretary.

I see what you did there...gross.

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, Starfish35 said:

After reading the live posting thread, they're totally going to end this season by having Oliver outing himself as GA to the world, aren't they? :(  Crap.

Yes, yes they are ?

[tangerine95]

I think they are and it is such a dumb idea, I have no idea how they plan to make that work. If he's exposed as GA he should go to jail, even if the previous stuff got erased by Roy taking the blame, he's got new kills since then. And when he's exposed are people just going to ignore whenever he breaks the law and give him permission to do it?Or how he deals with that making everyone he cares about a target all the time, not just when they're on the field. Like situations like DD shooting Felicity when they don't expect it would become a thing any random criminal would know to do to hurt GA.  I just don't see how they can pull that off. 

[BunsenBurner]

I think the Human Target will come in  and rescue Oliver after he stupidly admits to being the Green Arrow. Its just like Roy saving him before, wink wink see I admit it but we proved again I'm not. I'm not a lawyer but it could be that he goes to trial and HT takes the hit and OQ can't be retried for it. I don't know where I'm going with this but I've been thinking this for a while now.

[kismet]

It's a dumb idea, which is why they are going to do it. What's another dumb idea to add to the overflowing pile?

[apinknightmare]

1 hour ago, BunsenBurner said:

I'm not a lawyer but it could be that he goes to trial and HT takes the hit and OQ can't be retried for it. I don't know where I'm going with this but I've been thinking this for a while now.

But then what happens to real Oliver? He couldn't show his face as himself or be Green Arrow at that point. There would be no show, haha. 

Wait, never mind - it's late and I guess you mean that HT would rip off his Oliver mask and say he was the one who did all the bad stuff? 

Edited February 23, 2017 by apinknightmare

[SmallScreenDiva]

Guggenheim's plans or thinking don't go beyond the "gotcha" he wants, so Oliver outing himself as the Green Arrow is totally plausible, consequences be damned. 

My friends and I were tossing around spec last night and one of the ideas brought up was Oliver & Felicity possibly having to marry so they can't testify against each other. Does it make a lot of sense? Not really, because other people know about Oliver's secret and can easily be subpoenaed. But this is Arrow and it follows no rules but its own, especially in matters of the law and business. The spec stems from what my friend saw as the show dropping the wedding/marriage anvil twice this season — Oliver's memory of his relationship with Felicity that ended with the wedding, instead of the breakup and the 509 flashback that had him on one knee holding a red pen for Felicity, mimicking a "proposing" stance. Also, Guggenheim's use of the phrase "for better or worse" when talking about the payoff to the Susan story line. (I'd joked on Twitter that it meant wedding bells for Susan and Oliver, not too far-fetched given how he defended her in last night's ep, is it?)

Almost every significant milestone in the Olicity relationship is not quite what it's supposed to be: from their first ILY ("Don't ask me to say I don't love you") to their first time having sex (looks like it was part of Felicity's plan to spirit away Oliver) to their first "wedding" (a ploy to trap Cupid). So why not another "fake" wedding that's for real? Olicity is married, BUT there's fodder for great relationship conflict, with both sides thinking it's not real but wanting it to be real. Fans get Olicity "together" but with more angst, which these writers seem to like.

What do you guys think? The product of too much wine at dinner?

[BkWurm1]

25 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Guggenheim's plans or thinking don't go beyond the "gotcha" he wants, so Oliver outing himself as the Green Arrow is totally plausible, consequences be damned. 

My friends and I were tossing around spec last night and one of the ideas brought up was Oliver & Felicity possibly having to marry so they can't testify against each other. Does it make a lot of sense? Not really, because other people know about Oliver's secret and can easily be subpoenaed. But this is Arrow and it follows no rules but its own, especially in matters of the law and business. The spec stems from what my friend saw as the show dropping the wedding/marriage anvil twice this season — Oliver's memory of his relationship with Felicity that ended with the wedding, instead of the breakup and the 509 flashback that had him on one knee holding a red pen for Felicity, mimicking a "proposing" stance. Also, Guggenheim's use of the phrase "for better or worse" when talking about the payoff to the Susan story line. (I'd joked on Twitter that it meant wedding bells for Susan and Oliver, not too far-fetched given how he defended her in last night's ep, is it?)

Almost every significant milestone in the Olicity relationship is not quite what it's supposed to be: from their first ILY ("Don't ask me to say I don't love you") to their first time having sex (looks like it was part of Felicity's plan to spirit away Oliver) to their first "wedding" (a ploy to trap Cupid). So why not another "fake" wedding that's for real? Olicity is married, BUT there's fodder for great relationship conflict, with both sides thinking it's not real but wanting it to be real. Fans get Olicity "together" but with more angst, which these writers seem to like.

What do you guys think? The product of too much wine at dinner?

I'm a sucker for some tropes so I'd say count me in, but would this show be willing to commit to that kind of constant relationship focus for long.  Maybe that would be the twist.  Instead of doing something like that that could last perhaps for months, they'd rush through the storyline in a week or two tops.  

Hey at this point, it's as likely as anything that might happen.  

[apinknightmare]

I love fake married trope but it only works for me as a way for people who don't realize they love each other to admit to their feels. Add in the fact that O/F nearly married voluntarily, and I'm afraid I'd probably hate it. 

[Mellowyellow]

@SmallScreenDiva I love your idea to death but these writers are shit, so no they won't give us something as fun and as awesome as that!

[ohjoy]

I'm officially on the bandwagon with everyone hoping that the current Oliver we're getting is actually Human Target covering while Oliver is MIA, unconscious in a dungeon somewhere. Somebody wake me when the real OQ finally stands up.

[AyChihuahua]

11 hours ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

My friends and I were tossing around spec last night and one of the ideas brought up was Oliver & Felicity possibly having to marry so they can't testify against each other.

Me, if they try that:

[BkWurm1]

The legalities for someone getting married to protect secrets don't really work out but since Arrow ignores how the law actually works anything is possible, lol.  

[statsgirl]

I like the idea. But this is the group of people who wrote that garbage storyline to break Oliver and Felicity up to draw things out for longer -- would they really get them married suddenly instead of drawing out the "Can I trust you now?" and other angst as long as they possibly can?

19 hours ago, BunsenBurner said:

I think the Human Target will come in  and rescue Oliver after he stupidly admits to being the Green Arrow. Its just like Roy saving him before, wink wink see I admit it but we proved again I'm not. I'm not a lawyer but it could be that he goes to trial and HT takes the hit and OQ can't be retried for it. I don't know where I'm going with this but I've been thinking this for a while now.

I think the actor tweeted that he was coming back.  I wouln't be surprised if HT somehow plays into Oliver getting off  MG does loves his Gotcha! moments.

[kismet]

16 hours ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Guggenheim's plans or thinking don't go beyond the "gotcha" he wants, so Oliver outing himself as the Green Arrow is totally plausible, consequences be damned. 

My friends and I were tossing around spec last night and one of the ideas brought up was Oliver & Felicity possibly having to marry so they can't testify against each other. Does it make a lot of sense? Not really, because other people know about Oliver's secret and can easily be subpoenaed. But this is Arrow and it follows no rules but its own, especially in matters of the law and business. The spec stems from what my friend saw as the show dropping the wedding/marriage anvil twice this season — Oliver's memory of his relationship with Felicity that ended with the wedding, instead of the breakup and the 509 flashback that had him on one knee holding a red pen for Felicity, mimicking a "proposing" stance. Also, Guggenheim's use of the phrase "for better or worse" when talking about the payoff to the Susan story line. (I'd joked on Twitter that it meant wedding bells for Susan and Oliver, not too far-fetched given how he defended her in last night's ep, is it?)

Almost every significant milestone in the Olicity relationship is not quite what it's supposed to be: from their first ILY ("Don't ask me to say I don't love you") to their first time having sex (looks like it was part of Felicity's plan to spirit away Oliver) to their first "wedding" (a ploy to trap Cupid). So why not another "fake" wedding that's for real? Olicity is married, BUT there's fodder for great relationship conflict, with both sides thinking it's not real but wanting it to be real. Fans get Olicity "together" but with more angst, which these writers seem to like.

What do you guys think? The product of too much wine at dinner?

I think this is perfectly reasonable speculation. Remember that forced marriage in s3, to help achieve OQ's Defeat LoA plan. That marriage that in almost no government or state would be considered valid or legal, but everyone on Arrow states is actually legal & valid. The one that they have yet to annul... That is actually the only big roadblock I see to this plan. That somehow OQ would have to take the Floo network back to NP for an annulment and Nyssa will not be available. Hopefully the Priestess is available to do some ceremonial thing.

I could see the writers thinking that a FORCED Marriage between O/F that ends in a real message is what every romantic that watches the show wants!!! I mean isn't it romantic?? It's no fake marriage to capture a villain or no marriage to strip someone's birthright while also promising the potential for rape. But it is a quirky look at what we had to do so O/F can be together and not go to jail. So everyone can know who GA is and we can top our dumb marriage track record.

I also would not be surprised if there is a wedding between O & Reporter, that is OOPs legally binding.

Supporting evidence for a forced marriage this season: 1. It's been done before; 2. Common Trope; 3. Found in FanFics (although probably better written & executed); 4. Would be so Nifty & GOTCHA. 5. It's probably the dumbest way to get O/F back together. 6. Only thing worse would be forcing them to consummate their marriage with witnesses so you know we can use that scene for montages and FOR PLOT PURPOSES. Bonus Points if they have to go to Vegas or that cheesy casino again.

FTR - I do not want this forced wedding to happen. I just want to say I support the speculation as viable. Even though it is a very bad idea and defies rationale thought for quality character development, it is fully possible with these writers. And sadly, more likely than not to happen.

[AyChihuahua]

4 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

The legalities for someone getting married to protect secrets don't really work out...

Yep, thus, me, an attorney: http://www.gifbin.com/982670

Also: 

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Edited February 24, 2017 by AyChihuahua

[lemotomato]

21 hours ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

My friends and I were tossing around spec last night and one of the ideas brought up was Oliver & Felicity possibly having to marry so they can't testify against each other. Does it make a lot of sense? Not really, because other people know about Oliver's secret and can easily be subpoenaed. But this is Arrow and it follows no rules but its own, especially in matters of the law and business.

I thought about this too, except it stemmed more from the spec about Felicity getting set up to take the fall for Helix, and for some reason she and Oliver would have to get married so he wouldn't have to testify against her. 

And now I totally want it to happen. For reasons.

[dtissagirl]

10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I think the actor tweeted that he was coming back.

I went back through his account and all I can find is him retweeting an article that wanted Human Target to be recurring.  https://mobile.twitter.com/WilTraval/status/794818767360397312

Nothing about him coming back. He was filming Grimm in Dec and Jan, then filmed an indie movie from late Jan til last week. So if he's coming back to Arrow, it looks like he hasn't been back on set yet.

[LeighAn]

6 hours ago, lemotomato said:

And now I totally want it to happen. For reasons.

Oh I so want it to happen now.

[statsgirl]

5 hours ago, dtissagirl said:

Nothing about him coming back.

There goes the best explanation for Oliver's behaviour this year.  :-(

 I guess it's back to the drawing board. Or the murder board.

[kismet]

Can I ask an honest question, and it's not snarky or condescending. But how could people here be rooting for a Forced/Fake Marriage??

I do like the forced/faked marriage for couples that are ignorant or in denial of their feelings. Or for couples that are trying to reunite after working through the issues that led to their break up. But O/F are no longer that couple.

OQ caused a severe breach of trust with FS. He kept a secret (which is forgivable). But worse, he repeatedly demonstrated that he had ever intention of keeping her out of a major decision in his life, not once (BMD) but at least twice (LoA). And nothing he has done since those times have proven that he has learned his lesson regarding why this is a bad habit he needs to change.

I get wanting them to reunite. I get wanting them to have cute romantic moments. I get wanting to save someone from jail, I just don't want to see them take this route. I'm scratching my head as to why forcing her into a legally binding relationship that has not resolved it's legitimate romantic trust issues is a good thing. There are serious consequences to marriage, especially when it is being used as a strategy.

And there are some really awesome FanFics that have captured the fun & amazingness of this trope. And I think if I had never had to watch the fake wedding, it might seem a little more palatable. But there was a reason they broke up in s4. And as painful as it is to watch them apart - I don't want them reuniting until they have addressed the serious issue that lead to their break-up. OK, i would be fine with a round of HOT Wall Se.

But I honestly am curious as to why people are interested in this happening

[lemotomato]

Same reason why most people didn't have a problem with them having their big sex scene in 320 without resolving any of the issues that kept them apart all season. And why most people were OK with them driving off into the sunset in 323 and living a perfect happy Ivy Town life in 401 without having seen them deal with anything that happened from 321-323. I accept that the show has never shown Oliver and Felicity working out their problems. It just throws roadblocks at them and glosses over them when they hit the point in the season where they need a big romantic moment. But I don't care because it's not like the show is consistent about anything else either.

[LeighAn]

Entertainment? 

Like I want to see Oliver and Felicity grow and evolve as a couple and be their best selves and all that nitty gritty stuff but ultimately beyond that I want to be entertained and my own personal enjoyment comes from seeing two pretty people I love as characters and a couple being adorable, sexy, fun and cute together. 

I personally don't think there was anything wrong with how Oliver and Felicity were written as a couple. I loved 4A and going by the rating a whole bunch of others did too, and if you ignored the BMD elephant in the room I loved how they were in early 4B as well prior to the secret coming out. I even loved the fake wedding even though I accepted that they needed to break things off.

In my opinion the writers have already given Olicity a strong foundation as a couple, it's all there in the writing. It's just they gave them a contrived reason to break up.  And since it was so contrived I don't really feel I need some prolonged multiple steps and layers storyline to bring them back together. All I'm looking for is a honest conversation about their feelings some mutual acceptance and genuine apology about past choices and seeing Oliver be there on a fundamental level for Felicity and do something to prove to her that he can be the man for her. 

If Felicity were a real person who was my friend Id say look let him go, try someone less damaged or maybe try couple therapy or something but she's not she's a fictional character designed for my entertainment and I'm personally entertained by Oliver and Felicity together precisely because when they are together they are at their most entertaining and bring out the best in their characters.

Do I think a ruse marriage will happen? Probably not. But if it did and it was done in a way that wasn't totally balls up badly handled, then I'd be okay with it because ultimately I want to get past the will they won't they back and forth and see Olicity as a married couple because seeing happy attractive stable married couples are entertaining. Just look at This is Us for example.

[BkWurm1]

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I do like the forced/faked marriage for couples that are ignorant or in denial of their feelings. Or for couples that are trying to reunite after working through the issues that led to their break up. But O/F are no longer that couple.

Yes and no.  Right now both are technically trying to move on.  There's denial in the belief that they can since for this pair, I personally think anything that comes after would never measure up.  There also may be ignorance on Oliver's part over if Felicity has already moved on.  Or ignorance on her part that she still can.  I also agree that there hasn't been enough progress on working through the real issues that broke them up.  But a lot of that is because the show is having both Oliver and Felicity pretend that they are just partners in this crime fighting thing and mostly ignore all the other feelings except for moments when suddenly they can't.  

Basically, the trope of the fake marriage would squish them together into a bunch of situations where by pretending they'd be forced to stop pretending and make them actually deal with a lot of this crap.  Let the conversations that needed to have happened, actually happen. Let the feelings show again.  Let the longing grow.  Make it really hard for them not to be together.  And yes, let Oliver get himself into a similar situation where excluding Felicity might be the easiest choice, but let him chose differently this time.  Let Felicity realize that the trust she feared could never return, has (in time, let's not rush).  

I 100% don't think they'd marry for legal reasons but right now anything that would force them to remember who they really are to each other gets my vote.  I'd be fine with them addressing the remaining issues together.  The break up IMO needed to happen, but it's been long enough for Oliver to fully understand the consequences of his actions and hopefully to have really learned for the experience. And so I don't care what tropes they use, bring them all on.  

[Mellowyellow]

Omg you guys need to stop throwing that possibility out there because I'm going to cry when it doesn’t happen. 

It would totally fan service me and bring to life my favourite fanfic trope. 

It's not going to happen is it?

[BkWurm1]

2 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Omg you guys need to stop throwing that possibility out there because I'm going to cry when it doesn’t happen. 

It would totally fan service me and bring to life my favourite fanfic trope. 

It's not going to happen is it?

Probably not.  Arrow doesn't tend to do character arcs like that.  At best you'd get a one off episode and either no resolution or a rushed one.  It's more a great suggestion for fan fic.  

[dtissagirl]

I think people are also into the forced/fake marriage trope because that one is almost always played as FUN miscommunication rom-com with a good dose of heartfelt moments.

My very favorite string of episodes on Arrow was 201-209 to this day. And that's when they were doing all sorts of fun rom-com stuff with O/F. And I guess... at this point I think I'd be totally fine if they went back to that while never ever ever mentioning the S3 and S4 angst ever again. Like, I would gladly take the narrative amnesia if they gave me fun rom-com again.

[statsgirl]

The Arrow writers seem to be stuck in a Groundhog Day of endlessly repeating story beats. Sometimes I think a forced marriage is going to be the only way to get Oliver and Felicity together for more than a handful of episodes.

[Chaser]

The show can overcorrect hardcore. If they feel that Olicity apart was an error the Season, we may get married Olicity with a two part honeymoon episode and pregnant Felicity at the end of the season.

[BkWurm1]

7 hours ago, Chaser said:

The show can overcorrect hardcore. If they feel that Olicity apart was an error the Season, we may get married Olicity with a two part honeymoon episode and pregnant Felicity at the end of the season.

And if they ran into an old friend or foe, sounds like a great arc.  Tropes can be a lot of fun.

[Mellowyellow]

oh gawd if that happened I would actually get a twitter account and send them messages about how they have the best show EVER!

[kismet]

Thanks for responding. So its basically seems like its just a desire to see O/F back together again. A fun romp through a fun trope. And since the break-up was contrived, there is not much concern about if the reunion is contrived. I guess I see that. I do see the trope as a fun one (just not at this time for this couple). It would have been great for O/F 3 seasons ago.

I don't look to Arrow to be great TV anymore, but I do hope for it to be better. I guess for me there is a big gap between glossing over Sex vs. glossing over Marriage. And when & if O/F reunite, I want it to genuine and long-lasting. I'm over just getting breadcrumbs to appease me - we deserve more. And the fake marriage would probably just be that, breadcrumbs. A few quick scenes, some heart eyes, no follow through on the positive side of marriage, just more melodrama. Like the fake wedding, only way worse. Because now when they make OQ dumb, excluding & withholding from FS (for plot), it will be his wife not just his fiancee, friend or partner.

Here's hoping they bypass it all together, so we don't have to see the writers mess it up again. I do agree though that it would make an excellent fan fic. And there are some really good fake marriage ones out there now.

[tv echo]

I'm an Olicity shipper, but yet I can't help hoping that the head of Helix turns out to be a very attractive, very intelligent guy who isn't completely evil, who has great chemistry with Felicity, and who treats her with respect.  

I'm also almost at the point where I hope that they spin off a new show (with new showrunners) about Helix fighting evil in the world and trying to atone for past sins.

[Chaser]

Id watch that. I think Thea should go too. 

[ComicFan777]

I would totally watch a show about Felicity and her sidekick Kojo Sledgehammer rain righteous fury on the villains of cyberspace.

[Chaser]

I want a Felicity runs Helix summer web series.

[ComicFan777]

So much YES!

[insomniadreams88]

Yes! At the very least, give me an entire episode just about Felicity and Helix. 

[wonderwall]

Anyways they're going to start filming 520 on Monday... And after Stephen posted that photo of his back?

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[BkWurm1]

10 hours ago, wonderwall said:

Anyways they're going to start filming 520 on Monday... And after Stephen posted that photo of his back?

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Signal boost.

[LeighAn]

11 hours ago, wonderwall said:

Anyways they're going to start filming 520 on Monday... And after Stephen posted that photo of his back?

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1 hour ago, BkWurm1 said:

Signal boost.

Ive been really trying baby, trying to hold back my feelings for so long ...

And if you feel like I feel baby, come on, come one, lets get it on...

 

[bmoore4026]

Guess I'm the only one who thinks Star City is going to get destroyed and/or Oliver getting arrested at the season finale.

[kismet]

Based upon the 2 min of the last episode I saw & 1 sentence excerpt of one of TV Echo's review posts that mentioned that the show reminded us of a kid they didn't know how to handle. I am going to speculate that FS & OQ will reunite over FS helping to save William using her dark secret hacking organization. After Talia & DA guy go after OQ's son as retribution or whatever R-word they are using for this plot revival about fathers & sons. And said reunion will be either in sweeps or the finale.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, bmoore4026 said:

Guess I'm the only one who thinks Star City is going to get destroyed and/or Oliver getting arrested at the season finale.

I haven't really considered Oliver getting arrested yet (though it's likely he would if he reveals himself as GA by the end of the season). But I'm definitely expecting Felicity to be arrested. Whether that happens before the finale or not, IDK.

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, kismet said:

Based upon the 2 min of the last episode I saw & 1 sentence excerpt of one of TV Echo's review posts that mentioned that the show reminded us of a kid they didn't know how to handle. I am going to speculate that FS & OQ will reunite over FS helping to save William using her dark secret hacking organization. After Talia & DA guy go after OQ's son as retribution or whatever R-word they are using for this plot revival about fathers & sons. And said reunion will be either in sweeps or the finale.

There is no character that I want less to have back than William or his mother but sadly that makes sense since this season seems to be about fathers and sons.

I suppose if Oliver goes to Felicity for help this time instead of keeping secrets could erase some of the bad taste of the BMD, or at least the EPs may think so..

[calliope1975]

12 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

There is no character that I want less to have back than William or his mother but sadly that makes sense since this season seems to be about fathers and sons.

I suppose if Oliver goes to Felicity for help this time instead of keeping secrets could erase some of the bad taste of the BMD, or at least the EPs may think so..

Couldn't Barry get one thing right and erase this kid from existence? Dammit, Larry!

I don't ever want Spawn on the show long term. If he has to be mentioned at all, I hope it's sparingly, and whatever happens with Chase doesn't make Oliver decide he needs to be in the kid's life. Or, if he must, it better happen in Off-Screenville.