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OnceSane
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Prove it, Sonny.  Die.

TeeVee329
TeeVee329

His treatment of Nelle aside, his brushing his way uninvited and unwanted into the Q manse?  Throwing open the doors of the Q living room and leading the way in like he owns the place?  Trying to shad

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Well he's very busy with his older children, Sonny and Carly.

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There's losing every time, like AJ, and there's never losing, which is Sonny.

 

I have a terrible feeling that Mo and the writers believe that Sonny's being in the wheelchair for a while gives him a karmic reboot. But of course everyone has been fawning over him the whole time, and no viewer ever expected it would be permanent.  

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TeeVee329

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So in SOD it says Paul killed Sloane cause he raped Susan. O . . . kay, I guess.

 

The fuck...I mean...the fuck?  That makes no sense given we saw how the interaction went when Paul (gloriously) gunned down stupid Sloane.

 

And really, more rape-tinged storytelling on this show, and using that to give Paul a band-aid of a redemption?  Guh-ross.

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Oracle42

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So in SOD it says Paul killed Sloane cause he raped Susan. O . . . kay, I guess.

 

Didn't these two get fired in the middle of a terrible rape storyline on Y&R? Or was that all Pratt?

 

Is this going to be a gross two-fer with vigilante cover for Paul and rape victim explanation for Rebecca Budig character's previous over-sexed behavior? 

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Maybe we really luck out and John McBain just reappears! Anna gets her pal back. We can get weird looks at Franco and the police department has to actually work cases correctly. Has the PP lawsuit been settled/thrown out yet?

But more likely? ME is the rumored new Cassadine coming to town.

So now Sloane was a dirty, murdering, rapist officer of the court. Sure, why not? Just add drug dealing pedophile while you're at too, show.

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peachmangosteen

peachmangosteen

So in SOD it says Paul killed Sloane cause he raped Susan. O . . . kay, I guess.

 

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

Huh, looks like Michael Easton's not playing Dixon after all.

 

I am honestly shocked. I guess maybe he will be the rumored new Cassadine then. But idk I can't see them taking him being paired with KeMo off the table.

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KerleyQ

KerleyQ

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

 

I am honestly shocked. I guess maybe he will be the rumored new Cassadine then. But idk I can't see them taking him being paired with KeMo off the table.

 

I agree.  I think that one of the reasons they want him around is as their Sam love interest back-up in case BM leaves.  Maybe he'll be the product of some affair Helena had, so no actual relation to Sam?  

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I agree.  I think that one of the reasons they want him around is as their Sam love interest back-up in case BM leaves.  Maybe he'll be the product of some affair Helena had, so no actual relation to Sam?

Oh that's a good bet I think. That way he's a Cassadine so they can claim he has ties to the canvas while also keeping him as an option for Sam.

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ulkis

Oh that's a good bet I think. That way he's a Cassadine so they can claim he has ties to the canvas while also keeping him as an option for Sam.

 

Have he and Tyler Christopher ever shared a scene? I'm thinking the power of their stares could form a new bermuda triangle or something.

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Have he and Tyler Christopher ever shared a scene? I'm thinking the power of their stares could form a new bermuda triangle or something.

 

Right as a scene is about to start:  "I bet I can look less interested in being here than you can!"  "Oh, I'll take that bet!" 

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TeeVee329

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Maybe we really luck out and John McBain just reappears!

 

That wouldn't be lucky for me, his first line of dialogue would probably be to call Natalie a bitch. 

 

But I guess I'd allow it if he returned with mentee Fish to work at the PCPD and Fish's doctor husband Kyle took a job at GH. #showinmyhead

 

Have he and Tyler Christopher ever shared a scene?

 

Just reading that sentence makes me feel like I took some Nyquil.  So drowsy!

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tvgoddess

tvgoddess

 

Carly finds a moment of compassion for Ava but then explodes in rage.

 

If Carly were to actually literally explode, this would be a double win spoiler.

 

I don't even know what to say about the Sloane backstory. Just no. And ewww. I could see Ron writing that with his weird rape fixation, but Jean/Shelley have no need to follow him in those footsteps. Sloane sucked enough without adding rape to his repertoire.

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If ME is to be the newest rumoured Casssadine, he can channel his inner vampire.  Bring it on.  It's about time Nik had someone challenge him to the Cassadine coffers.  The new Cassadine need not be a direct descendant of the dastardly Mikkos so as not to besmirch the newly sainted sweet Sam with thoughts of incest. 

 

Regarding Sam:  are the writers banking on the viewers forgetting Sam's past actions as a con artist who swindled men out of their money by sleeping with them, and in at least one case, marrying the mark?  Apparently the redemption of this tits and tears character who is always played with anemic results is more important to the show than  a legacy character.  I don't know why I am even wasting my time thinking about this.  On a show that idolizes a mobster, a character like Sam McCall Morgan will be supported and propped at all costs.  If they are so set on redeeming this character then send the bitch to a convent. 


If ME is to be the newest rumoured Casssadine, he can channel his inner vampire.  Bring it on.  It's about time Nik had someone challenge him to the Cassadine coffers.  The new Cassadine need not be a direct descendant of the dastardly Mikkos so as not to besmirch the newly sainted sweet Sam with thoughts of incest. 

 

Regarding Sam:  are the writers banking on the viewers forgetting Sam's past actions as a con artist who swindled men out of their money by sleeping with them, and in at least one case, marrying the mark?  Apparently the redemption of this tits and tears character who is always played with anemic results is more important to the show than  a legacy character.  I don't know why I am even wasting my time thinking about this.  On a show that idolizes a mobster, a character like Sam McCall Morgan will be supported and propped at all costs.  If they are so set on redeeming this character then send the bitch to a convent. 

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Cattitude

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Well it is interesting that Nik was making such a big deal about being nonpulsed about Helena's will b/c he was the oldest MALE Cassadine and therefore everything is HIS.

Seems like it would make sense if ME plays an unknown Cassadine that swoops in and takes that title from him.

 

I actually think that would be very funny and hair color aside ME and SN favor. Maybe he is related to Stefan.

 

The Sloan thing is double gross b/c Anna was actively sleeping with a rapist. ick!

 

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TeeVee329

TeeVee329

Well it is interesting that Nik was making such a big deal about being nonpulsed about Helena's will b/c he was the oldest MALE Cassadine and therefore everything is HIS.

 

Which is confusing to me because I thought Nikolas took control of everything when he banished her to Cassadine Island in the first place.

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Ambrosefolly

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Which is confusing to me because I thought Nikolas took control of everything when he banished her to Cassadine Island in the first place.

Well it is interesting that Nik was making such a big deal about being nonpulsed about Helena's will b/c he was the oldest MALE Cassadine and therefore everything is HIS.

Seems like it would make sense if ME plays an unknown Cassadine that swoops in and takes that title from him.

 

I actually think that would be very funny and hair color aside ME and SN favor. Maybe he is related to Stefan.

 

The Sloan thing is double gross b/c Anna was actively sleeping with a rapist. ick!

Does Helena have any actual assets? It doesn't matter who the oldest Cassadine is or if this new character is the oldest of Mikkos grandchildren. Unless Stavros was married and had another child with that wife, Nik inherits everything because they weirdly consider Laura Stavros's wife. Prince Albert of Monaco has both an adult and preteen children, but because he wasn't married to either of their mothers, his toddler twins are in line directly behind him for the throne and neither of those kids. Prince William is Queen Elizabeth's third grandchild, but he is 2nd in line for the throne because Prince Charles is her oldest son and child.

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Cattitude

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I don't know enough about GH Cassadine history to participate in the discussion much.

Are Alexis and Nik half siblings?

 

And regardless of sense I'm sure if ME will be a long lost Cassadine it will come out in the mysterious reading of Helena's will and it will have something to do with him trumping Nik as heir.

 

What if he is the real Nik and Nik is an imposter/not really Laura's son? I know it would be horrible and TC played teenage Nik and all but I wouldn't put it past these writers. Nevermind ME is too old to be Laura's son unless she was 5 when she had him. heh!

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ulkis

ulkis

I don't know enough about GH Cassadine history to participate in the discussion much.

Are Alexis and Nik half siblings?

 

They are nephew and aunt. Alexis it the half sister of Stefan and Stavros (Nik's uncle and father, respectively.)

 

Michael Easton playing the real Nik would be hilarious.

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IWantCandy71

IWantCandy71

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The only thing about the Paul spoiler that takes me by surprise is that it's about Sloane and not Sonny. I kind of figured from the beginning that eventually they'd explain a personal reason why Paul was after Sonny. Every time the family was mentioned, I expected to hear that Jenny, Sly, PJ or Susan were dead or had been horribly hurt in some way, directly or indirectly by Sonny's business. The only surprising thing about all this to me is that it's Sloane he was targeting, because now we're still stuck at Paul being power hungry, and having no real reason for wanting Sonny's territory other than good old fashioned greed.

Which is fine-lesser stories have been told with lesser motives. It just means that with Sonny and Paul, if it's not personal, there's no real emotional stakes.

And I don't see any vigilante stuff concerning his daughter, to be a white wash. He's still a murderer who killed a man in one of the most cowardly ways possible, and then did something heinous to cover his tracks.

There's nothing noble or white washing about that.

This show has glorified Sonny and Jason for nigh on two decades now,and neither one of them are any better than Paul. I would LIKE to see him redeemed, but does he need it in order to remain on this show? Nope.

 

I thought Varni already confirmed ME wouldn't be playing Dixon, a few weeks ago on Facebook?

I do think he'll be a Cassadine. I think he could pull it off, we'll see. It isn't as if that family is known for their lively, high energy members since Mikkos and Victor bit the dust.

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ulkis

ulkis

I can't believe we're having a conversation about Michael Easton's THIRD possible character.  Why is this happening?!?!?!

 

Fourth, my friend! Fourth!

 

Other possible candidates:

 

Rafe, who didn't die after all and is now SORASed. 

 

Luke's kid from some other affair

 

Sam's twin

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Ambrosefolly

Ambrosefolly

Fourth, my friend! Fourth!

 

Other possible candidates:

 

Rafe, who didn't die after all and is now SORASed. 

 

Luke's kid from some other affair

 

Sam's twin

In all seriousness, I think Joey Luthman would be do well in the role of Rafe. Not only can he actually act, but he looks like he could be the love child of Allison and Caleb.

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TeeVee329

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It just seems like the same lazy walk back they've done before.  Ditto Paul apparently having a Big Boss who no doubt has him over a barrel somehow, has forced him to do all these evil things, blah blah blah.

 

In other news, does this mean that Rebecca Budig isn't Susan?  Because if she is, I'm not sure I how feel about her having been presented as a nymphomaniac.

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Oracle42

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Yeah, the Nympho!Hayden thing becomes extremely problematic if she's Susan and they're retconning a rape trauma.

I don't know which is worse - a Hayden/Rachel/Rebecca Budig character is Susan reveal or a new character created by the writers who brought us Helena's daughter and Darby

One of my friends pointed out that it's also the kind of thing that would've come up at some point between Paul/Sloane

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TeeVee329

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One of my friends pointed out that it's also the kind of thing that would've come up at some point between Paul/Sloane

 

Totally, he would have said it was for Susan if that was the reason.  We saw why Paul shot Sloane - to get his leverage on Anna.  This is a total retcon.

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Maybe we really luck out and John McBain just reappears! Anna gets her pal back. We can get weird looks at Franco and the police department has to actually work cases correctly. Has the PP lawsuit been settled/thrown out yet?

But more likely? ME is the rumored new Cassadine coming to town.

So now Sloane was a dirty, murdering, rapist officer of the court. Sure, why not? Just add drug dealing pedophile while you're at too, show.

They kind of did that with one of the Lopez brothers when they were whitewashing Max's murder of him on Sonny's orders (he beat his wife and he was watching kiddie porn when he was killed, so Sonny's ordered hit is A-OK). The regimes seem to resort to these tactics to sanctify characters - look at what RC did to Johnny and with Joe in order to avoid MacBain and Todd going after Sonny.

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jsbt

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It's the same shit they've always done with so many of the revolving villains since 2012 - 'oh, this person has a boss too! They're not so bad!' I knew Hornsby would connect back to the Legion of Doom somehow, but I figured they had deemed him disposable since a) he's not that important a character and b) I didn't think they could lock the in-demand Richard Burgi down.

 

While I think Paul reverting to old type and being tied to another cartel makes sense, I thought it was a mistake to make such a charismatic actor with huge possibilities on the show get pigeonholed as a nefarious criminal kingpin and Sonny's latest cardboard enemy vs. simply being a white collar schemer - if they wanted to keep him they either had to tone down his evil deeds or make the character a real threat, because Burgi is a towering enough talent that he can survive and go on the way other villains did on other soaps. Instead they kept him evil and are also trying to half-ass it like they so often have: "Oh, he's not so bad, he had his reasons!" I suspect he'll end up being killed off or sent to prison anyway, so it just becomes a waste of time.

 

As for Joe Jr., a thousand times no. I think they were going to keep lispin' Shmo around for Tracy even though he was an admitted rapist until reaction proved merely tepid. I thought JE had some nice chemistry with the guy but overall I thought he was sweaty and grotesque.

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Oracle42

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Aside from the chemistry between Joe Jr./Tracy (which I thought was really good) he was the first guy I've seen on this show who deemed both her happiness and her life more important than his own. TG talks a lot of shit about how Luke loved Tracy but Luke was perfectly happy treating her like a wealthy old crone whom he did not respect and was not attracted to for years while he pursued Skye and Anna.

Of course, I also loathed the entire Kate/Joe Jr. retconned bullshit backstory with the heat of a thousand nuns, so..

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IWantCandy71

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Yeah, the Nympho!Hayden thing becomes extremely problematic if she's Susan and they're retconning a rape trauma.

I don't know which is worse - a Hayden/Rachel/Rebecca Budig character is Susan reveal or a new character created by the writers who brought us Helena's daughter and Darby

One of my friends pointed out that it's also the kind of thing that would've come up at some point between Paul/Sloane

 

 

Not really. Many rape survivors/victims of molestation act out by being sexually promiscuous. I don't think Hayden is going to be Susan, though. I think if that is who she is, Tracy would have a much different reaction in certain moments, like last week with her and Dillon. Even though it's not Tracy's secret to tell, and Hayden has every right for her identity to remain a secret if she wants to, I think JE would give away something with her body language, or show a bit of guilt at deceiving her son.

*shrug* Just how I see it.

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IWantCandy71

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Aside from the chemistry between Joe Jr./Tracy (which I thought was really good) he was the first guy I've seen on this show who deemed both her happiness and her life more important than his own. TG talks a lot of shit about how Luke loved Tracy but Luke was perfectly happy treating her like a wealthy old crone whom he did not respect and was not attracted to for years while he pursued Skye and Anna.

Of course, I also loathed the entire Kate/Joe Jr. retconned bullshit backstory with the heat of a thousand nuns, so..

If I could marry this post, I would. :)

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Oracle42

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Not really. Many rape survivors/victims of molestation act out by being sexually promiscuous.

I didn't really mean problematic as in an unlikely reaction - reclaiming control and setting personal/sexual boundaries in the wake of rape isn't unlikely - so much as it would not be written well and the fact that Nik mocked her promiscuity after she woke up from the coma he put her into will be completely ignored

But, if Hayden is going to be someone other than Susan - moot point!

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TeeVee329

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I didn't really mean problematic as in an unlikely reaction - reclaiming control and setting personal/sexual boundaries in the wake of rape isn't unlikely - so much as it would not be written well and the fact that Nik mocked her promiscuity after she woke up from the coma he put her into will be completely ignored

But, if Hayden is going to be someone other than Susan - moot point!

 

Yup, that's what I was saying.  Rebecca Budig throwing herself at anything that walked was treated as "comedy" and Nikolas ridiculed her for it the minute she spring from her coma so doubling back now and revealing she was trying to process being raped would be...yikes.

 

But yeah, I'm beginning to think it's a moo point (it's like a cow's opinion, it means nothing...it's moo) because I think Susan and what happened to her was there just to brush some evil dirt off Paul.

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Oracle42

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I felt like Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football while watching the Tracy/Joe relationship

What's that? Tracy is being paired with a man who had an overbearing father who preferred a greasy, violent mobster. So he might be empathetic to her history? That sounds promising.... 

 

Well, he's working for the League of Evil for inexplicable reasons. That's..unfortunate - but on GH? That's not a complete dealbreaker

 

BUT. He's a loving, nurturing partner and parent who actually values Tracy and is legitimately attracted to her whole person. That...actually sounds amazing.

 

RC: JUST KIDDING!!! HE'S TOTES A MONSTER WHO RAPED D.I.D. INTO SONNY'S GIRLFRIEND. 

 

So. Much. Hate.

Oh, BTW - Paul is inexplicably evil now and is super into having sex with a woman that he's blackmailing - but it's okay because RAPE PLOT POINT.

 

*I'll be over here banging my head against a wall*

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peachmangosteen

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With this rape retcon, I don't really think Hayden is going to be Susan. Honestly it doesn't really make sense for her to be Susan. It also doesn't make sense for her to be Tracy's daughter. But then again 'making sense' isn't really a concern with this show so who knows.

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