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SleepDeprived

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I just hope the crossover is with The Flash. Aside from Dig reacting to her, I don't really see what Supergirl could bring to Arrow.

 

I find Kara really adorable but, yeah, Supergirl (and Martian Manhunter) seem to be a little too much superpower overload for Arrow. Maybe Alex and the DEO could crossover with something having to do with Lyla/Diggle and A.R.G.U.S.? Though, I wouldn't be opposed to CEO Cat Grant meeting CEO Felicity Smoak. My two faves from both shows meeting each other would be kinda cool, for me.

 

Also, if this crossover happens, it is imperative that there's footage of a shirtless salmon ladder-off featuring Stephen Amell, David Ramsey, and Mehcad Brooks. For science.

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apinknightmare
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I mean, I don't want her in a suit so it's not the "never" in this instance that bothers me, but Marc saying that Felicity specifically would make the notion of superheroics "silly." Why? In this show

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And then someone tells him that what he did was okay because of reasons, or that he can't keep feeling guilty, he just has to move forward. Like, no, just...go ahead and feel really guilty for awhile?

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A friend of mine saw the pilot and said it was fun except for the Hawks. Who are in it way too much. She said if the Hawks are going to be the main star she might drop the show. She thinks that Rip might be a problem for some because he has a combination of too much info at once at the same time as not enough character nuance. But she also was anti Rory so that might play a factor. She knows I love AD. I guess he's played like we should know him though a lot of time is used to bring him forward. The rest of the Characters she enjoyed though she does think that their dynamic and character history does come into play without fleshing them out for new viewers. She thinks it feels like this is a 5 hour pilot that was condense into 2 tv hours. 

 

Oops I thought I was writing this on the Legends forum....

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The problem here is that it's a 2 episode pilot airing on 2 weeks. It makes it a little harder to get people to tune in for episode 3 if both episodes are bad. Especially if the 2nd episode is worst than the first.

I wonder if that's why it hasn't leaked yet? They don't want people flooding the net with complaints about how terrible it is weeks before it officially debuts.

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jay741982

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I resent the fact that I need to look for some facts from the Arrow cannon on The Flash, so I completely understand this complaint. While all shows may exist in the same universe, they should be independent and able to stand on their own.

 

 

I just hope the crossover is with The Flash. Aside from Dig reacting to her, I don't really see what Supergirl could bring to Arrow.

I resent the fact that I need to look for some facts from the Arrow cannon on The Flash, so I completely understand this complaint. While all shows may exist in the same universe, they should be independent and able to stand on their own.

 

 

I just hope the crossover is with The Flash. Aside from Dig reacting to her, I don't really see what Supergirl could bring to Arrow.

Felicity, Thea and Laurel having girlcrushes maybe? Them having Kara in her Civilian clothes standing next to Felicity? I can see at least Thea and Felicity thinking she's badass

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Sakura12

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The pilot was filmed before the Crossover reactions to the Hawks. I wonder if that changed their minds in the later episodes. But they are tied to the main villain so that does mean lots of story with them. However if they are kept in their separate story than I can enjoy the rest of show when it focus' on the characters.

 

Being the exposition dump sucks for any character that gets stuck with it. I think he'll be fleshed out more as the show progresses when he's not needed to do that anymore. 

 

The long time to set up of he team in the Pilot is why I'll never buy everyone complaining that the LoT set up took over both shows. What set up? I saw nothing that set up the show LoT. I just saw character introductions of most characters that were already on both shows. I actually think they didn't spend enough time on any of them, the show was focused on the Arrow and Flash characters not the LoT ones. The Hawks were the only unknown characters that took over anything. And that was for the 2 part crossover. 

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The long time to set up of he team in the Pilot is why I'll never buy everyone complaining that the LoT set up took over both shows. What set up? I saw nothing that set up the show LoT. 

 

Bringing Sara and Ray back from the dead (and the "dead") was set up for the show, even if it wasn't set up for the team. I suppose it can be argued that the Ray-induced angst in Oliver and Felicity's relationship added something to the show, but Sara's resurrection didn't add anything at all - and that took place over multiple eps. As did Ray's, but at least the set up for that was pretty minor.

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apinknightmare

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I'm assuming that wasn't their intention, that's what the audience got out of it. That whole storyline was meant for Laurel who is on Arrow not for Sara who is LoT. 

 

Laurel was given something to do specifically because they needed to bring Sara back for LoT. That storyline? It wasn't for Laurel. 

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The only thing I would change if I could is that it would air as a 2 hour premiere.  From every preview I've seen - the show looks great.  And there has been positive praise so I'm not worried at all.

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Sakura12

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Laurel was given something to do.

 

Isn't every storyline for Laurel like that though? It's not a new concept when it comes to figuring out ways to make Laurel have a purpose on the show. She basically doesn't matter on the show unless it has something to do with Sara. But this time instead of Sara getting the focus like she did in Season 2 it was Laurel. Sara barely said anything. 

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Sara's resurrection was used to kill the LP, show us a Laurel who fights for what she believes in, it was used to bring a father daughter emotional scene between Laurel and Quinton when he's about to shoot Sara. Give Thea some development in that talks to Laurel/Sara in the hospital bed after Sara tossed her around. Plus it was used to soften Oliver and Laurel's relationship so a friendship is believable.

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But they used the necessity of bringing Sara back to push Laurel, Quinton and Thea. Plus kill the LP. Sara had very little screen time. And Caity had very few lines. 

Would Sara have been Laurels plot line if LOT wasn't happening? No. Bringing Sara back was to get her to LOT. That was their goal. Laurel was secondary.

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Bringing back Sara was their goal, but the storyline was for Laurel. It was used to give her something to do, have a purpose. If it was for Sara and for LoT we would've gotten Sara's POV like we did in S2.  

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apinknightmare

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Isn't every storyline for Laurel like that though? It's not a new concept when it comes to figuring out ways to make Laurel have a purpose on the show. She basically doesn't matter on the show unless it has something to do with Sara. But this time instead of Sara getting the focus like she did in Season 2 it was Laurel. Sara barely said anything. 

 

That's because the whole point of bringing her back was so that she can go onto another show. They don't want her to explore any of the feelings she's having about her resurrection or her uncertainty about what's going on on Arrow, because they need her to do that on the show they brought her back for. Laurel's whole purpose in that storyline was to be the driving force for Sara being brought back so that she could live and breathe on LoT. That doesn't make the story about Laurel. At all.

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I agree that they used Sara's return as a catalyst. But that doesn't change the fact that it would never have happened without LOT needing Sara back. LOT needed Sara so they conceived how to fit it into Arrow. Regardless of whatever may have come from Sara being brought back on Arrow, it was set up for LOT.

If it was done with Arrow maybe the plot wouldn't have stick out like a sore thumb. Sara would have interacted with Oliver and the Team. They wouldn't have negated Laurels S3 arc.

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Sara's alive by LP and has Blood lust like Thea. That is the only LOT part of the story. It was used to give Laurel, Laurel&Oliver, Lance and Thea screen time. The focus was on Arrow Characters. Well and a little Constantine. The focus wasn't on Sara. Even when she left it was to push Laurel. 

 

Sara was used to give Lance and DD stuff to do as well. And Sara leaving sadness gave Lance and Donna Daughter issue bonding. 

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apinknightmare

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I agree that they used Sara's return as a catalyst. But that doesn't change the fact that it would never have happened without LOT needing Sara back. LOT needed Sara so they conceived how to fit it into Arrow. Regardless of whatever may have come from Sara being brought back on Arrow, it was set up for LOT.

If it was done with Arrow in made the plot wouldn't have stick out like a sore thumb. Sara would have interacted with Oliver and the Team. They wouldn't have negated Laurels S3 arc.

 

Yes, and all the things that happened because of that arc (Thea going to NP, the LP being destroyed) could've been accomplished by Thea making a visit to NP for help - she could've even thrown Tide into the Pit on her own because she didn't want anyone else to go through what she did. Laurel and Oliver could've mended their relationship over something that wasn't so ginormously stupid. And Nyssa wouldn't be locked up without anyone knowing about it, lmao. 

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tarotx

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Well that just shows that Sara's resurrection was thrown in to what needed to happen to these characters. The show also wanted Malcolm to return but limit Nyssa because her actress was going to be off limits for a bit. 

Yes, and all the things that happened because of that arc (Thea going to NP, the LP being destroyed) could've been accomplished by Thea making a visit to NP for help - she could've even thrown Tide into the Pit on her own because she didn't want anyone else to go through what she did. Laurel and Oliver could've mended their relationship over something that wasn't so ginormously stupid. And Nyssa wouldn't be locked up without anyone knowing about it, lmao. 


Well that just shows that Sara's resurrection was thrown in to what needed to happen to these characters. The show also wanted Malcolm to return but limit Nyssa because her actress was going to be off limits for a bit. 

Yes, and all the things that happened because of that arc (Thea going to NP, the LP being destroyed) could've been accomplished by Thea making a visit to NP for help - she could've even thrown Tide into the Pit on her own because she didn't want anyone else to go through what she did. Laurel and Oliver could've mended their relationship over something that wasn't so ginormously stupid. And Nyssa wouldn't be locked up without anyone knowing about it, lmao. 


Well that just shows that Sara's resurrection was thrown in to what needed to happen to these characters. The show also wanted Malcolm to return but limit Nyssa because her actress was going to be off limits for a bit. 

Yes, and all the things that happened because of that arc (Thea going to NP, the LP being destroyed) could've been accomplished by Thea making a visit to NP for help - she could've even thrown Tide into the Pit on her own because she didn't want anyone else to go through what she did. Laurel and Oliver could've mended their relationship over something that wasn't so ginormously stupid. And Nyssa wouldn't be locked up without anyone knowing about it, lmao. 

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apinknightmare

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Well that just shows that Sara's resurrection was thrown in to what needed to happen to these characters. The show also wanted Malcolm to return but limit Nyssa because her actress was going to be off limits for a bit. 

 

No it doesn't. Who knows if any of these things would've come to pass if they hadn't been writing a trip to Nanda Parbat for Sara's resurrection. I think the only thing that "needed" to happen in that story line was for the LP to be destroyed. 

 

Honestly though, I don't care about Laurel, Sara, or Legends of Tomorrow, so you can have this argument, haha.

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Chaser

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It would have worked better how apinknightmare laid it out.

I still think they should have brought Sara back in LOT pilot. Had Rip Hunter get her the moment before her death or something. Have Laurel pop over to LOT for an episode.

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I find Kara really adorable but, yeah, Supergirl (and Martian Manhunter) seem to be a little too much superpower overload for Arrow. Maybe Alex and the DEO could crossover with something having to do with Lyla/Diggle and A.R.G.U.S.? Though, I wouldn't be opposed to CEO Cat Grant meeting CEO Felicity Smoak. My two faves from both shows meeting each other would be kinda cool, for me.

 

Also, if this crossover happens, it is imperative that there's footage of a shirtless salmon ladder-off featuring Stephen Amell, David Ramsey, and Mehcad Brooks. For science.

Caitlin and Felicity can monitor the results. For science.

 

If they make it a one-off thing where the go into the alternate universe for...reasons of some kind, I'd be okay with it. Also, Hank Henshaw vs. Amanda Waller, Alex meets Lyla, Winn meets Cisco, and Iris and Jimmy really hit it off professionally while Barry and Kara get jealous and do karaoke.

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Trini

Trini

Flash and Supergirl seem more compatible for a crossover than Arrow. I fully expect them to start planning a (minor) crossover once they have announced the 2016-2017 seasons of all the shows. They managed to get Constantine from a show that was already cancelled; I'm sure they could work something out between the networks/production companies.

 

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We should start using the Legends forum for most of this discussion, right?

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Primal Slayer

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Constantine was easy since it didn't have a different networks interference, they had just to go through their own people. With Supergirl, you have to 2 networks come to an agreement and you don't have to the liberty of both shows shooting in the same general location. 

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tv echo

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More news reports on LoT that came out of the 2016 TCA press tour (will also post in LoT forum if not already there)...

 

How The CW's Time-Traveling DC's Legends of Tomorrow Will Intersect With Arrow and The Flash
by Kaitlin Thomas | Jan 10, 2016 5:06 PM EST
http://www.tvguide.com/news/legends-of-tomorrow-arrow-the-flash-crossover-the-cw/?ftag=twtrsoshares

 

DC'S LEGENDS OF TOMORROW IS KEEPING THE STAKES HIGH
10 JAN 2016  BY TERRI SCHWARTZ
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/10/legends-of-tomorrow-is-keeping-the-stakes-high

 

CW PRESIDENT: "LEGENDS OF TOMORROW" IS "GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY" MEETS "DOCTOR WHO"
13 hours ago Brendan McGuirk
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/legends-of-tomorrow-producers-show-mixes-dysfunctional-family-with-dirty-dozen

 

Greg Berlanti on ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’: ‘It’s a Dysfunctional Family
JANUARY 10, 2016 | 11:55AM PT  Maureen Ryan
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/dcs-legends-of-tomorrow-berlanti-1201676247/

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Summary of what Mark Pedowitz said at the TCA on Sunday - mentions Arrow, Vixen, Flash, LoT, Supergirl (warning: a little spoilery)...

 

CW President Teases Female Superhero Show, Talks ‘Supernatural’ Future and Stands By ‘Crazy Ex-Girlfriend’
JANUARY 10, 2016 | 10:21AM PT  Elizabeth Wagmeister
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/the-cw-female-superhero-show-vixen-1201676210/
 

CW Boss on the Future of Supernatural, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend's Ratings Woes and a Female Superhero
by Joyce Eng | Jan 10, 2016 1:53 PM EST
http://www.tvguide.com/news/cw-boss-supernatural-crazy-ex-girlfriend-female-superhero/

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According to the EW article posted in the Spoilers thread, EP Phil Klemmer said that

there is a “100 percent chance” that older and/or younger versions of Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell) and Barry Allen (Grant Gustin) will appear in LoT.

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tarotx

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I guess that does in fact confirm

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Oliver. I mean taken in conjuncture with Caity Lotz's Emoji tweets.  I actually look forward to seeing him.

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WaitandHope

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The confusion between Caity and Katie continues in that quote from Mark Pedowitz.  I think he meant Katie Cassidy after reading it in context, and the writer/editor just made it Caity Lotz - thus creating a raging debate in the Canary fandom and inciting more speculation about the death...

 

"...Girl (super)power? None of The CW's superhero series feature a female lead and unfortunately, Pedowitz said there are no plans "at this moment" for one. But he was quick to point out that there could be spin-off opportunities with any of the female characters from the Arrow-Flash-Legends-verse, including the titular character from Vixen, the animated Arrow-Flash spin-off. (Vixen, played by Megalyn Echikunwoke, will appear on Arrow this season and could join Legends, Pedowitz said.) "We have, particularly on Arrow, Caity [Lotz] and Willa [Holland] playing great characters. On Flash, you see Danielle Panabaker's character Killer Frost," he said. "There's an opportunity with this. There will be a moment in time. I don't know when it's going to come."  http://www.tvguide.c...male-superhero/

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The confusion between Caity and Katie continues in that quote from Mark Pedowitz. I think he meant Katie Cassidy after reading it in context, and the writer/editor just made it Caity Lotz - thus creating a raging debate in the Canary fandom and inciting more speculation about the death...

"...Girl (super)power? None of The CW's superhero series feature a female lead and unfortunately, Pedowitz said there are no plans "at this moment" for one. But he was quick to point out that there could be spin-off opportunities with any of the female characters from the Arrow-Flash-Legends-verse, including the titular character from Vixen, the animated Arrow-Flash spin-off. (Vixen, played by Megalyn Echikunwoke, will appear on Arrow this season and could join Legends, Pedowitz said.) "We have, particularly on Arrow, Caity [Lotz] and Willa [Holland] playing great characters. On Flash, you see Danielle Panabaker's character Killer Frost," he said. "There's an opportunity with this. There will be a moment in time. I don't know when it's going to come." http://www.tvguide.c...male-superhero/

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I'm guessing that you're also seeing the speculation that LL/BC cant be in the grave because Pedowitz mentioned her here. Although I don't think she'll be killed off (because comics), anyone that takes his comments as a guarantee she's staying on the show should remember that Colton Haynes went to the TCAs AND was featured in a photoshoot and commercial made this time last year.

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kismet

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I sorta wonder if they won't somehow include Supergirl in the big crossover next year and try to cross-pollinate 3 show bases. A quick little stop by on the FLASH portion.

 

The FLASH & Supergirl do really just line up so nicely for crossover in tone & storylines. And with Cat being in the media, maybe they will even let CP/Iris crossover this time. It would be logical, which means they probably won't do it.

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kismet

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Hawkgirl can fly. Is that not considered a superpower anymore?

Well she also has a vagina, so there are some groups that automatically find that nullifies and definitely reduces any powers or skills she may have.

Not agreeing or saying it's right (because it's wrong); but it is the sexist reality in some groups.

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