Mind Your Surroundings: Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Other Superhero Universes

[Morrigan2575]

38 minutes ago, AyChihuahua said:

They are really scraping the bottom of the barrel of superheroes.

The CW has been toying with an Hourman show for awhile now. IIRC it was one of the pitched pilots alongside iZombie.   I'm guessing this just fell in line.

[tarotx]

In the Pitched CW Pilot, Hourman could see into the future but by just one hour. He was going to be able to see a crime and then try to prevent it. 

[Sakura12]

Maybe they are still going with that premise for his powers, only he met the Legend Time Masters and has a different mission to use his powers. 

[driedfruit]

I'm bitter about Booster Gold getting his own movie over my favourites and would've rather he'd been the reveal. But big no to GL. I don't want CW anywhere near Hal most of all as they wouldn't know how to use him, they'd probably power him down and just keep hooking him up with Caitlin or whoever else needs a LI. 

But Hourman works well enough. Since he isn't hugely known they could alter his powers to whatever works for the show. 

Edited May 20, 2016 by driedfruit

[arjumand]

3 hours ago, AyChihuahua said:

I want you to know that that movie is one of the reasons I had to stop watching horror movies. So thanks for tonight's nightmares!

My work here is done!

JK - it used to terrify me too, then when I rewatched it recently, I realised how much 70s bullshit I'd blanked out because the movie is so chilling. It's like, in a lot of  movies made around that era, there has to be a scene at a party, to show how far out and groovy everyone was, I guess.

 

2 hours ago, tv echo said:

TVLINE | Will we see Kendra and Carter at all in Season 2?
We don’t know. As with all things, if we have the right story, absolutely. If Ciara and Falk [Hentschel] are amenable and game… What’s really wonderful about this universe that we’ve built up [is] no one’s ever gone forever. I’ve been saying with respect to [Arrow’s] Laurel, dead is not goodbye. And alive and goodbye is not goodbye. It’s just a matter of those characters coming back around in an organic way, especially on Legends, where the conceit of the show has always been the ship itself is a revolving door. There can always be old faces returning and new faces being introduced. That’s part of the show.

NO. NO NO NO NO! WHAT THE FUCK? If anyone's coming back, it had better be Snart or no-one! Fuck's sake.

[FurryFury]

Don't worry, it's the basic diplomatic answer. It's not like they can say "No we'll never ever get them back", even unpopular characters have their fans which would be bummed.

[Morrigan2575]

12 minutes ago, arjumand said:

NO. NO NO NO NO! WHAT THE FUCK? If anyone's coming back, it had better be Snart or no-one! Fuck's sake.

pretty much what Fury said but we already know Snart is going to appear in both Flash and LoT so i wouldn't worry too much about that.

Edited May 20, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[arjumand]

32 minutes ago, FurryFury said:

Don't worry, it's the basic diplomatic answer. It's not like they can say "No we'll never ever get them back", even unpopular characters have their fans which would be bummed.

 

22 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

pretty much what Fury said but we already know Snart is going to appear in both Flash and LoT so i wouldn't worry too much about that.

Thanks for talking me off the ledge, guys. The episode already frustrated me enough when I witnessed the Hawks being completely useless but somehow all-important - even the thought of seeing them again made my blood pressure rise.

OT, though it features in the episode - dear actors, it's nUCLEAr, not nUCULAr. Come on, people!

[AyChihuahua]

Come to think of it, the whole premise initially was that only the hawk chick could kill Savage, right? Then last night, did she even get a single kill in? Sara killed him in one time, the fire guy in another, and while I believe the hawk chick stabbed him, Rip finished him off.

So wow, from #1 in importance to "Meh, you can be there, I guess."

[tv echo]

I don't think the Hawks are returning to LoT anytime soon, but did you notice the following dialogue at the end of last night's episode? 

Kendra: "Well, actually... we're not coming with you. With Savage gone, we want to start fresh, see what happens."
Rory: "I give it three months, tops."

Hmm... about the length of a summer hiatus, right? ;)

Edited May 20, 2016 by tv echo

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, AyChihuahua said:

Come to think of it, the whole premise initially was that only the hawk chick could kill Savage, right? Then last night, did she even get a single kill in? Sara killed him in one time, the fire guy in another, and while I believe the hawk chick stabbed him, Rip finished him off.

So wow, from #1 in importance to "Meh, you can be there, I guess."

Well...Kendra...stabbed Savage as part of the trio kill, and then Savage turned mortal, I guess.....But yeah, you're right. They said Kendra had to stab Savage with the knife to kill him, but Rip was the one to deliver the final blow. I mean, I'm glad Rip got to deliver the final blow (I know Kendra technically has more beef with Savage as he's been killing her and Carter for over 3000 years, but I cared more about Rip getting vengeance). They did drop a LOT in this show....but for the better. Except when they forced a Carter return in the last three episodes. 

[Sakura12]

I think they realized that most people would rather see the character they do like get the kill. Especially since Kendra has failed to kill him the 5 other times she was supposed too. I liked that Sara and Mick got to kill Savage since they were always on Team why the fuck are we not killing him. 

Sara still had the best kill, holding Savage by throat so he can talk then just snapped his neck. She also defeated him with a stick! That right there shows how useless Kendra's been this entire series. She never once defeated him without being knocked out or had help.  And lets not even talk about the more useless Carter. No wonder Savage killed them over 200 times. This final time had Rip do the final killing to shut him up. 

[tarotx]

5 hours ago, tarotx said:

Legends ratings were a weak 0.7  and 1.87

LOT held in the final demo numbers but down a little in overall.

0.7 and 1.85

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/05/final-adjusted-tv-ratings-for-thursday_20.html

[Morrigan2575]

Damn you LoT! :-)

[kismet]

Getting back to the Flash's man in the iron mask - have we met Wally's E2 counterpart yet? Because my guess is it's going to be him, so that they can wrap the Wests back into the drama fold.

As for Hawkgirl, she better stay away from most of LoT s2, unless they find a way to integrate her and I don't think they have figured that out at all. And I do not think they will have a boost in their brain power to fit her into the plot since the best they did was making her a LI with 3 (4 if you count VS obsession) different guys and that is with the combined power of 3 different writers rooms. It's a shame & disappointing for HG, but they failed her long before CR failed her.

[nksarmi]

2 hours ago, arjumand said:

My work here is done!

JK - it used to terrify me too, then when I rewatched it recently, I realised how much 70s bullshit I'd blanked out because the movie is so chilling. It's like, in a lot of  movies made around that era, there has to be a scene at a party, to show how far out and groovy everyone was, I guess.

 

NO. NO NO NO NO! WHAT THE FUCK? If anyone's coming back, it had better be Snart or no-one! Fuck's sake.

It's confirmed that Snart will be back. He will - likely - just split time between Flash and Legends (though I do kind of want to see him flirt with Felicity now that I think about it).

[FurryFury]

I think Felicity has had enough love interests. Can't imagine Leonard interested in her, all the girls he was into were fairly different from her.

[nksarmi]

1 hour ago, tv echo said:

I don't think the Hawks are returning to LoT anytime soon, but did you notice the following dialogue at the end of last night's episode? 

Kendra: "Well, actually... we're not coming with you. With Savage gone, we want to start fresh, see what happens."
Rory: "I give it three months, tops."

Hmm... about the length of a summer hiatus, right? ;)

I actually would be concerned about that if MG hadn't said they felt the Hawk's story was wrapped up and didn't want them to continue in season two. Maybe they will pop over to Flash or Arrow at some point to help in a fight or two. :)

Just now, FurryFury said:

I think Felicity has had enough love interests. Can't imagine Leonard interested in her, all the girls he was into were fairly different from her.

Oh I don't mean real interest - just that thing he does when he knows he's getting under someone's skin and having fun with it.

[Starfish35]

Regarding this week's Flash episode, tbh I wasn't all that impressed with Black Siren (big surprise I know).  Sure KC plays a better bad girl, but not good enough for me to ever want her back.  I hate the harsh makeup and black lipstick.  To me it looks so unflattering and I thought it really aged her in some shots.  It didn't play well with some of the lighting.  KC is a beautiful woman but IMO that's not a good look on her.  I did think, amazingly, that there was some real chemistry between her and Teddy Sears.  Caitlin's line about "loving her" was laughable though.  I wondered if they put that in because KC and DP are friends, but there was no in-show support for such a dramatic assertion.

Caitlin's PTSD....on one hand, I thought it was well handled by the actors.  On the hand, it seems like another example of the writers never meeting an emotional storyline they couldn't rush.  When Caitlin demanded "when? When am I going to get past this?" I'm like "girl, it's been like five minutes.  Give yourself a break." That scene would have been more effective sometime next season, after Caitlin had been dealing with PTSD for several months, not several hours.  And then of course it's all better by the end of the episode.  I swear, these writers.  

[catrox14]

8 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

how weak was the 0.7 demo?  Come on give this to me! SPN has been really good lately :-)

My loyalty to SPN is 11 years and counting, it's almost a habit at this point.  I'm totally rooting for SPN to get better ratings than LoT on Thursdays next season 

SAME!!! LOL (well not the 11 years because I just started watching in 2013...but still.

Edited May 20, 2016 by catrox14

[Starfish35]

I hope the LoT ratings go up next season.  LoT has its issues, but it's still my favorite of the four shows at the moment.  I want it to last for several more years.  I want as much of Sara and the team as possible.

Or would you all prefer the show be cancelled and Sara come back to Arrow? ;)

Edited May 20, 2016 by Starfish35

[AyChihuahua]

10 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

I hope the LoT ratings go up next season.  LoT has its issues, but it's still my favorite of the four shows at the moment.  I want it to last for several more years.  I want as much of Sara and the team as possible.

Or would you all prefer the show be cancelled and Sara come back to Arrow? ;)

Nah, I have respect for them ditching the deadweight. I still won't be a regular viewer because of the Ray of it all, but that was smart, and I respect smart decisions.

[Morrigan2575]

17 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

I hope the LoT ratings go up next season.  LoT has its issues, but it's still my favorite of the four shows at the moment.  I want it to last for several more years.  I want as much of Sara and the team as possible.

Or would you all prefer the show be cancelled and Sara come back to Arrow? ;)

I dont give a shit about LoT, it's not a good show, IMO. I don't care if it succeeds or fails. I just always want SPN to do better. In fact I was cheering SPN on towards the end of S1 Arrow and throughout S2 when it would beat Arrow in the ratings.  IF SPN scored better than Arrow next week I'd do a happy dance

Edited May 20, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[wonderwall]

12 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

I hope the LoT ratings go up next season.  LoT has its issues, but it's still my favorite of the four shows at the moment.  I want it to last for several more years.  I want as much of Sara and the team as possible.

Or would you all prefer the show be cancelled and Sara come back to Arrow? ;)

Ohhhhhhhhh you're a sneaky one aren't you ;

[lemotomato]

24 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

I hope the LoT ratings go up next season.  LoT has its issues, but it's still my favorite of the four shows at the moment.  I want it to last for several more years.  I want as much of Sara and the team as possible.

Or would you all prefer the show be cancelled and Sara come back to Arrow? ;)

I was more worried about LoT failing and Ray coming back to Arrow. 

[Starfish35]

Well we all have our favorites.  I couldn't care less about SPN (I bailed on that show in season three for a reason), and I'm caring less and less about Arrow, even with Laurel gone (although I suspect it's my usual end-of-season fatigue).  Right now LoT is the show I'm cheering for. *shrug* Each to their own. 

Edited May 21, 2016 by Starfish35

[Sakura12]

Just now, Starfish35 said:

Well we all have our favorites.  I couldn't care less about SPN (I bailed on that show in season three for a reason), and I'm caring less and less about Arrow, even with Laurel gone (although I suspect it's my usual end-of-season fatigue).  Right now LoT is the I'm cheering for. *shrug* Each to their own. 

I'm with you both on liking LoT more and bailing on SPN, I lasted until about Season 5 I think, too much manpain for me. While LoT is not perfect, it's fun and entertaining which is more than I can say for Flash and Arrow. They got rid of their weak links so I'm definitely in for Season 2. I'm all for obscure heroes, i'm sick of Batman and Superman. 

[Starfish35]

It's not that so much.  I just generally tend to prefer team-oriented shows over shows with a single lead.  Not that I won't watch and enjoy the latter, but team shows are where my fannish heart is.

[manbearpig]

I'm ready for Supergirl to become the CW's biggest hit, mostly because it would suck to see that show go from CBS to a middling performer on a smaller network. I usually don't care about ratings as long as my favourite shows get renewed, though.

[dtissagirl]

41 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

Or would you all prefer the show be cancelled and Sara come back to Arrow? ;)

Only if Sara brought Lenny along with, and him and Sara went on every other mission with *Oliver*, and spent all their time flirting with each other, which would make Oliver super cranky old geezer all the time. And then Felicity would point and laugh at Oliver for being a super cranky old geezer all the time, while 'shipping Sara and Lenny to his face.

The Arrow sitcom in my head >>>>>> actual Arrow.

[nksarmi]

45 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

I hope the LoT ratings go up next season.  LoT has its issues, but it's still my favorite of the four shows at the moment.  I want it to last for several more years.  I want as much of Sara and the team as possible.

Or would you all prefer the show be cancelled and Sara come back to Arrow? ;)

Legends is my favorite and I wouldn't want Sara back on Arrow at all, but that's because I think Arrow would shat upon her compared to how well she's used on Legends. I want my Sara fix on Legends for as long as I can get it.

[nksarmi]

10 minutes ago, manbearpig said:

I'm ready for Supergirl to become the CW's biggest hit, mostly because it would suck to see that show go from CBS to a middling performer on a smaller network. I usually don't care about ratings as long as my favourite shows get renewed, though.

I would not be surprised if Supergirl can outperform Flash on the CW. I think Kara and Martian Manhunter are great and both are just as recognizable as the Flash. And if they can keep characters like Alex, Max Lord, and Cat at least part-time, they should be able to mix up their audience a bit. And since Supergirl is so DAMN sunny and sugary - even if they followed the Arrow model a bit - it would still probably stay pretty fun and peppy.

I do wish they would ditch what's not working well for them (James as a LI and Lucy who I like ok but she doesn't work as a regular).

[Starfish35]

I don't know about Supergirl vs Flash, because Flash was meeting or besting Supergirl's ratings already before the network switch.   Whatever Supergirl does, however, it's bound to improve Monday nights for them, because CEG was pulling 0.2s in that slot.  

[wonderwall]

It seems like Supergirl was a small fish in the big pond, but likely to be a big fish in the small pond.

Ratings wise it'll probably be even with Flash, viewership wise it'll probably surpass Flash.

[AyChihuahua]

29 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

I was more worried about LoT failing and Ray coming back to Arrow. 

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!!!!

[wonderwall]

5 minutes ago, AyChihuahua said:

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!!!!

I can totally imagine you being like this right now:

Edited May 21, 2016 by wonderwall

[AyChihuahua]

Just now, wonderwall said:

I can totally imagine you right now:

ACCURATE!!!!!!!

[lemotomato]

7 minutes ago, AyChihuahua said:

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!!!!

You know they weren't going to just dump BR and the $200K ATOM suit after getting less than a season's worth of episodes if LoT had failed!

Anyway. Long live LoT! Keep BR and MG busy!

[kismet]

I'm torn between wanting SG to outbeat Flash and wanting SG to just be average on the CW. I like SG but it's not really that amazing of a show. I'm glad it got another season because I think it is good to have female superheroes on TV/movies but I really want SG to be a better show before I want it to get better ratings.

And without Cat Grant around as a more permanent feature I don't know how well the show will succeed. She brought gravity to the scenes. I liked Hank/Alex running the DOE, but them on the run seems less entertaining. IDK, I just worry about the show being better now that it likely has less budget and less support systems.

[Starfish35]

I have to admit my hypocrisy here.  Lol.  I have no issues with LoT not coming up with a way to save Laurel, but I am irrationally upset that they didn't try to jump back a day or so and stop a nuclear missle from hitting Havenrock.  I know all the out-of-show reasons why, but I'm still upset about that development in Arrow world, and it bugs me that no one even mentioned it.  *grumpy*

[BkWurm1]

12 hours ago, Velocity23 said:

That is just sad.

Comparing those two scenes really brings home to me how much better Arrow did it.  How much better SA did it. 

2 hours ago, Starfish35 said:

I hope the LoT ratings go up next season.  LoT has its issues, but it's still my favorite of the four shows at the moment.  I want it to last for several more years.  I want as much of Sara and the team as possible.

Or would you all prefer the show be cancelled and Sara come back to Arrow? ;)

I enjoy LoT but Arrow still has my heart.  Still, I'm not stingy, I'm happy to have Lot on as long as it wants to be.  But would I want Sara back on Arrow If the show ended after next year --I'm going to say no, but not a hard no.  I have to agree that I don't think they would use her as well as they do on Lot, she'd be wasted.  Arrow is Oliver's show and all the stories come back to him.  LoT at least lets her be the star some of the time.  Add to that, I don't think I want her to be the star of Arrow. 

That said, I'm very happy for her to visit and honestly, if Arrow goes on long enough she might return though I like to think that now that CL has received more exposure she could go on to do bigger and better things. 

1 hour ago, nksarmi said:

I would not be surprised if Supergirl can outperform Flash on the CW. I think Kara and Martian Manhunter are great and both are just as recognizable as the Flash. And if they can keep characters like Alex, Max Lord, and Cat at least part-time, they should be able to mix up their audience a bit. And since Supergirl is so DAMN sunny and sugary - even if they followed the Arrow model a bit - it would still probably stay pretty fun and peppy.

I do wish they would ditch what's not working well for them (James as a LI and Lucy who I like ok but she doesn't work as a regular).

I really wonder how they are going to continue with the sunny shots now that the show is moving to overcast Vancouver.  I'm also really curious where they plan on putting the soundstage since it sounded like they were bursting at the seams with just Arrow and Flash. 

[bettername2come]

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Caitlin's PTSD....on one hand, I thought it was well handled by the actors.  On the hand, it seems like another example of the writers never meeting an emotional storyline they couldn't rush.  When Caitlin demanded "when? When am I going to get past this?" I'm like "girl, it's been like five minutes.  Give yourself a break." That scene would have been more effective sometime next season, after Caitlin had been dealing with PTSD for several months, not several hours.  And then of course it's all better by the end of the episode.  I swear, these writers.  

Agreed. I'm hoping the reason they gave her the pain that improved by working with the team was because Zoom's going to do something to give her the Killer Frost powers in the finale, and they're reiterating that she won't go evil like her counterpart because of her work with Team Flash.

[way2interested]

10 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Comparing those two scenes really brings home to me how much better Arrow did it.  How much better SA did it. 

It's weird. Both shows had the deaths somewhat telegraphed (although Arrow's was only somewhat clear within the same episode with the Moira flashbacks, whereas with Henry's line about staying in Central City permanently from a few episodes kind of sealed it for me). In The Flash scene, I just felt kind of bad for Barry, but for Arrow, I actually felt devastated for Oliver and Thea and had to take a breather after it happened because it kind of shook me a bit. Part of the reason I think that the Flash's kind of fizzled out is that you have that death scene that was less than a minute, versus Arrow's that was a 3-4 minute drawn out scene. I mean, Arrow's not perfect either with pacing out these kind of scenes (since the very end of 409 was kind of rushed as well, which was a shame since the rest of it was paced out alright), but the unavoidable comparison between the two does kind of take the steam out of the scene from the Flash. I get that they ended it quick as a sudden and horrific twist, but I just needed more out of it. I'm not sure what they could have done exactly to draw it out anymore or extend it, but I just needed that not to happen at minute 41 of the episode. 

[kismet]

In addition to Henry’s death being telegraphed all episode, it really had been telegraphed for most of the season. So it came as no real big surprise. Meanwhile, Moira’s death did come as a surprise for me. Once they were all tied up, it seemed like one of the 3 would die (I have to be honest & say I was rooting for it to be TQ).  But I certainly did not start the episode expecting MQ to die and certainly not the way Slade took her out. Zoom just looked like he watched too many episodes of OUAT. Perhaps they could have found a more original or at least not Disney magical way to have Zoom kill.

Besides, I’m still mourning Mitch’s trip for ice cream years later, that a few seconds of predictable comicy death just doesn’t hit as hard. I will say that GG did do his best with the scene, but you can’t beat SA when it comes to manpain.  I did believe that BA was sad at his father’s death. But when you spend every Tuesday for the last 2 years crying, I have trouble differentiating what is real pain and when perhaps you just have a pebble in your shoe.

[tv echo]

Meanwhile, in the Marvel Universe - lots of Thor movie casting news...

Cate Blanchett joins Thor: Ragnarok as Marvel Studios' first major female supervillain
By Kwame Opam  on May 20, 2016 05:21 pm  
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/20/11723448/thor-ragnarok-cate-blanchett-female-supervillain-hela-marvel

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Marvel today announced that Cate Blanchett has joined the cast of Thor: Ragnarok as the mystical villainess Hela. Her stepping into the role marks the first time Marvel has cast a woman to play the main villain in its ever-expanding Cinematic Universe. ...  Hela is a significant addition to Marvel's movie universe. Having debuted in the comics back in 1964, she is the daughter of an older form of Loki's and the ruler of Hel, the Asgardian realm of the dead. Her presence is intrinsically linked to Ragnarok, or the Norse apocalypse, wherein all gods of Asgard are killed off. (An event that was hinted at in Avengers: Age of Ultron.) It's easy to imagine Blanchett, a two-time Oscar-winner and living Royal Elf, lending the role incredible power.

Jeff Goldblum, Karl Urban Join Marvel's 'Thor: Ragnarok'
MAY 20, 2016 11:15am PT by Borys Kit
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/jeff-goldblum-karl-urban-join-896085

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Goldblum will play Grandmaster, a cosmic being who plays chess with lesser life-forms such as humans. Urban will play Asgard warrior Skurge.

What will surely have fans in a tizzy, for good or ill, is that Marvel revealed that Tessa Thompson will play the classic character Valkyrie. In the comics, the character is a blond-haired, blue-eyed warrior, but the studio is taking a more diverse path for the movie.
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And the studio re-confirmed that Mark Ruffalo will appear as Marvel mainstay Bruce Banner/Hulk. Chris Hemsworth is back as Thor while Tom Hiddleston, Idris Elba and Anthony Hopkins are also returning.

“The continuation of the epic Thor franchise will be powerful and unique, and with the additions of Cate, Jeff, Tessa, Karl and Mark to the cast, we have the makings of his most dangerous and heroic adventure yet,” enthused producer Kevin Feige in making the announcement. “The sheer, raw talent each of these actors brings to the screen can’t be quantified. Having any one of them join the Marvel Cinematic Universe would be an honor, and having all of them is incredible."
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Not mentioned in the announcement is that Jaimie Alexander, who played the warrior Sif, will not be returning for the movie. Sources say the actress had a scheduling conflict with her NBC show, Blindspot.

'Thor: Ragnarok': Meet the Newcomers to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
MAY 20, 2016 12:22pm PT by Graeme McMillan
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/thor-ragnarok-marvel-cast-meet-896115

Edited May 21, 2016 by tv echo

[Morrigan2575]

totally bummed that there's no Sif. That really sucks.

[Slj]

I just about hurt something laughing at the suggestion SexistRacistAmell's reaction to his mother's death is better than Barry's to his father's on The Flash. That's genuine human emotion from Barry, pain that he's losing his only parent. Amell looks like he's constipated. He reminds me of Nick Jonas without the vaguely pretty. 

The odd thing to me about the 'we didn't just know her, we loved her' was it came from Caitlin. It would've worked coming from Cisco. We know he had a friendship with Laurel, Caitlin probably did, but we never saw it. I know Danielle and Katie are close, I think they even lived together, but it didn't work coming from Caitlin. 

Black Siren was awesome on The Flash, I'd like to see her on the crossover just to see if she kicks WhitewashedCanary's ass. 

If they really are having a four way crossover I'd like to see Iris and Jimmy meet, and work on a story together maybe give Jax the opportunity to join Team Flash, even if he doesn't take it. I'd like him on LoT next season because he chose to be. They could actually use the opportunity to have Winn meet Felicity then decide to move to Star City, anything to lose him from Supergirl. Actually it could be a good opportunity to mix the characters up, Thea would be a great with Wally and Jesse, and maybe whoever is in that capsule at the end of Supergirl (I have no spoilers, just speculation it's Superboy). But I really hope they don't team up Felicity and Winn with Cisco, the 'Felicity is so much better' jokes are already not funny, I don't want them added to. 

[hogwash]

Killing Moira was dumb (though the episode was great). I didn't like Henry as much but killing him was stupid too. I don't get why the earlier episodes didn't feature Barry's parents since apparently they were gonna so ~important~ later. Sending Henry off in such an utterly stupid way after Barry got him out of prison and barely remembering that Barry went back but still couldn't stop the Reverse Flash from killing Nora means that the only reason I care about them is because of S01.

Why kill Henry? The only reason I can think of is to make Barry sad. But why the heck does Barry Allen of all people need to be sad??

[SonofaBiscuit]

1 hour ago, Slj said:

I just about hurt something laughing at the suggestion SexistRacistAmell's reaction to his mother's death is better than Barry's to his father's on The Flash. That's genuine human emotion from Barry, pain that he's losing his only parent. Amell looks like he's constipated. He reminds me of Nick Jonas without the vaguely pretty.  

Did you formerly post under the username jaytee1812?

[Slj]

Just now, SonofaBiscuit said:

Did you formerly post under the username jaytee1812?

No.