Morrigan2575 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Sakura12 said: When though? They only have 2 more eps left to film. I can't imagine them using their last 2 eps to do a Laurel storyline when they are probably using those too ramp up the LoT vs LoD. I have no idea, I guess it depends on how much story they have for her. Is it something like 510 or more like 508? If she's just going to service Sara's storyline and get 5-7 minutes I think they could fit her in the last 2 episodes. I guess just keep an eye out for KC flying to Vancouver over the next 3-4 weeks. Then you'll know what episode, if any, she'll appear in. @tv echo just posted this in the spoiler only thread but I think he's talking about KC/LL Quote Interviewers asked about future crossovers. MG: “Next week’s episode of Arrow features the - I will say, the fastest crossover with Flash we’ve ever had." Also MG: “We, just yesterday, um, made an offer to an actor to reprise their role, um... from one of the other shows in the season finale of Legends... Oh, and in the penultimate episode, ... we’re gonna have — I can’t be specific about this, but it’s one of the most fun things I think we’ve ever done on the show — we're going to have a character from one of the other shows on Legends in a way that you’ve never seen before, uh, you may never see again, but will, I think, just send fans into squeals of joy.” I think the bolded part is talking about KC/LL on LoT in 516. My guess for the final episode of LoT is maybe Nyssa or Ra's from Arrow appearing on LoT. Or perhaps Moira, long shot would be Tommy. Edited January 27, 2017 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment
tv echo January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 If you don't want to visit the Spoilers Only thread, MG was interviewed in a recent Superhero Insider podcast (link in below EW article), where he gave spoilers for both Arrow and LOT... Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow boss on crossovers ahead NATALIE ABRAMS JANUARY 26, 2017 AT 4:13PM ESThttp://ew.com/tv/2017/01/26/arrow-legends-tomorrow-crossovers/ Link to comment
Sakura12 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 I think the first part is about Black Flash, what Zoom was turned into. I think the offer was made to Teddy Sears. As for the bolded part, I guess it could be a version of Laurel. I would love for it be Power Girl. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 (edited) Was Power girl in Flash? I know she wasn't on Arrow and I don't think Supergirl counts. Edited January 27, 2017 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment
wonderwall January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Sakura12 said: When though? They only have 2 more eps left to film. I can't imagine them using their last 2 eps to do a Laurel storyline when they are probably using those too ramp up the LoT vs LoD. Could be in the last 2 episodes left to film. Didn't Guggenheim say that they recently made an offer to an actor from another dctv show to reprise their role on lot? It could most definitely be KC. It could be a culmination of Sara's grief. The season opened with her trying to save laurel so it makes sense the season would close with laurel as well. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, wonderwall said: Could be in the last 2 episodes left to film. Didn't Guggenheim say that they recently made an offer to an actor from another dctv show to reprise their role on lot? It could most definitely be KC. Nah, KC is already under contract. KC is probably in 216 (as I mentioned above). 217 could be anyone I guess, maybe Ronnie? Edited January 27, 2017 by Morrigan2575 1 Link to comment
Sakura12 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: Was Power girl in Flash? I know she wasn't on Arrow and I don't think Supergirl counts. I was going with a character on one of the other shows in a way we've never seen them before. I'm taking that mean it's one the characters as someone different. For example we've seen Laurel as Black Siren so she wouldn't be someone we've never seen before. Seeing Kara as Power Girl instead of Supergirl is different. I think fans would be excited to see that. Edited January 27, 2017 by Sakura12 1 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 ah OK. I got you now. Although do you really want 216 to be about MB/Supergirl? She would definitely overshadow and get the most promotion out of that. Link to comment
Proteus January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: That doesn't say Arc, it says Story. She probably gets 1 episode on LoT and 1 episode on Flash. MG said arc in other comments when asked about what he said there. Link to comment
Sakura12 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 28 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: ah OK. I got you now. Although do you really want 216 to be about MB/Supergirl? She would definitely overshadow and get the most promotion out of that. If it brings more people over to LoT I'm fine with it. Plus LoT is good at using their ensemble cast well. I think it would be fun and the Legends need someone powerful to stop Thawne. 2 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sakura12 said: If it brings more people over to LoT I'm fine with it. Plus LoT is good at using their ensemble cast well. I think it would be fun and the Legends need someone powerful to stop Thawne. I don't watch the show so I don't care but if it was Arrow? I'd hate to see the penultimate episode used for a Big Guest Star instead of wrapping up the season long story. But, that's just my preference, I like the final few episodes to be about the main show characters. Edited January 27, 2017 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment
kismet January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: my guess for the final episode of LoT is maybe Nyssa or Ra's from Arrow appearing on LoT. Or perhaps Moira a long shot would be Tommy. Oh that would be amazing to have any of them back!! On another note: i really think MG's character that is going to send people into squeals of joy is not LL/BC/BS. personally, I think her plot will be very understated. Honestly, at this point i wouldn't be surprised if the waverider was used to help give BS a ride home back to her earth. 2 Link to comment
Sakura12 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 That's what makes LoT different then the other shows. We're used to the big cast and the characters being used where they are needed. Next weeks ep is about the pov of the villains. And I'm looking forward to that because the buddy team up of Darhk and Malcolm in the last episode. And I'd rather have Kara then Laurel. 1 Link to comment
Cleanqueen January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 43 minutes ago, kismet said: personally, I think her plot will be very understated. Honestly, at this point i wouldn't be surprised if the waverider was used to help give BS a ride home back to her earth. This made me laugh so hard. THANK YOU!! 1 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Sakura12 said: That's what makes LoT different then the other shows. We're used to the big cast and the characters being used where they are needed. Next weeks ep is about the pov of the villains. And I'm looking forward to that because the buddy team up of Darhk and Malcolm in the last episode. And I'd rather have Kara then Laurel. 3 hours ago, Sakura12 said: When though? They only have 2 more eps left to film. I can't imagine them using their last 2 eps to do a Laurel storyline when they are probably using those too ramp up the LoT vs LoD. OK, I'm really confused. Your first post was about why would they waste the last 2 episodes on a KC appearance when they should be ramping up to an LoT vs LoD faceoff. I agree with this, if it was Arrow, I'd hate to lose the penultimate episode, which should built up to Arrow vs Prometheus to bring on a Guest Star. Your 2 comments seem opposed to each other. If LoT can handle big guest stars and large casts and then it shouldn't be a big deal for KC to get focus is 16 and/or 17. Edited January 27, 2017 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment
Sakura12 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 I also said the last part where I'd rather have Kara over Laurel. Laurel also had no useful skills to help against Reverse Flash, Power Girl would. Link to comment
Velocity23 January 27, 2017 Share January 27, 2017 Spoilers for LOT and Flash Quote Can you say anything about the upcoming Earth-2 Flash episode with Grodd?— Keri Here’s what we know: Gorilla Grodd will be wreaking havoc on Central City, and the two-parter will take place on both Earths — but Grodd isn’t the only familiar face that’ll appear on Earth-2. “The team will go to Gorilla City,” executive producer Aaron Helbing reveals. “We’ll see where Grodd was sent. We’ll see his standing amongst the other gorillas. There are some sequences in the two episodes that are unbelievable. They’re epic and unbelievable in scale and scope. I’ve never seen anything like it on television.” Quote Mick and Amaya aren’t romantic on Legends of Tomorrow? LOL you’re joking.— Erin Au contraire, even Dominic Purcell concurs. “No, there’s no relationship going on between Amaya and Heat Wave,” he tells me. “It’s more of an emotional connection.” But we do know there’s a steamy sex scene coming up in episode 11, so make of that what you will! In the meantime, Purcell says it’s always a possibility that Captain Cold’s return will send Mick back to the dark side. “I don’t think Mick is a good guy,” Purcell says, “and there’s a lot of history there. Mick loves Cold.” http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/27/spoiler-room-supernatural-scandal-hawaii-five-0/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter Link to comment
Velocity23 January 28, 2017 Share January 28, 2017 Guess things are heating up on LOT with Legion on Doom, especially if Barrowman comes back to film both Arrow and LOT on 1st February. 1 Link to comment
TwistedandBored January 29, 2017 Share January 29, 2017 I really miss Captain Cold/WM. 3 Link to comment
tv echo January 29, 2017 Share January 29, 2017 (edited) One of you (I'm sorry, I forget who) really pays close attention to the Arrowverse sets, so this interview with Tyler Harron, Supergirl/Flash production designer, is for you... How Set Design Shapes CW's Supergirl Kayti Burt Jan. 27, 2017http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/supergirl/261802/how-set-design-shapes-cws-supergirl Quote Harron said that Kara's Loft is exactly the same, save for the exclusion of a bathroom. "I don’t put bathrooms in sets," Harron said. "I believe in the Star Trek method." CatCo, on the other hand, was a whole 'nother ball game... * * * Did you notice the changes between Catco Season 1 and CatCo Season 2? Because they're there. Because of the difference in space available, Harron and his crew had to take three feet out of the set in one direction and expand it ten feet in another. Also, there's a window missing. Harron said of the changes that needed to be made at the structural level: * * *For Harron, one of the most important things to consider when designing big sets is that the actors and crew be able to walk the entire set with camera. In other words, he wants to make it possible to film a walk-and-talk scene without anyone having to stop. "Otherwise, people just sits around, and I don’t want to watch talking heads sitting around, doing nothing," said Harron.' * * * Interestingly, the Alien Dive Bar set was never supposed to be an ongoing set, but was originally written and constructed solely for the introduction of the M'gann character. However, the Supergirl team liked the look of it so much, it is now a recurring set for Supergirl season two. * * * You might recognize elements of the Alien Dive Bar set from another CW show. The bars, booths, and a few of the accouterments are recycled from The Tomorrow People's Chinese restaurant set, which was the first design Harron did for a Greg Berlanti show. * * * If you've noticed the Interlac peppered throughout the Alien Dive Bar set, then you have Harron to thank for that. He said Andrew Kreisberg and Greg Berlanti weren't even aware of the DC Comics language before they saw it on Harron's new set. * * * What do the Interlac phrases say? There's one over the Alien Dive Bar's payphone that reads "Kryptonians Suck" and another scrawled on the wall that reads "Designed by Tyler Harron." Harron mentioned the location of another Interlac phrase scrawled somewhere on set that no one has noticed yet, but I'll leave that up to you to find... * * * The DEO design was inspired by the layout of a cathedral with its "long, narrow high-pitched roofs," "the command center at the end ... like an altar," "and then the whole procession down through." Harron added: "Superman and Supergirl have always been the Christ figures, so it was fitting that there was a church built for them and their being the protectors of the world." * * *In real life, the "insanium" is actually called architechtural expanded aluminum foam and it's used in government building to absorb bomb blasts. It took eight weeks to get shipped into the set. Harron said of its inclusion: "I thought, ‘Well, if you gotta build a building that superheroes can fight in, you better show that it’s got something behind it that’s strong enough to take a punch.’” Edited January 29, 2017 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo January 29, 2017 Share January 29, 2017 (edited) Even though this article is about Riverdale, it reveals some b-t-s stuff regarding the involvement of Greg Berlanti and Mark Pedowitz and also discusses how much the show has departed from comics canon... “Hot Archie” Isn’t an Oxymoron — He’s the Future of the CW Alison Herman Jan. 26, 2017https://theringer.com/hot-archie-isnt-an-oxymoron-he-s-the-future-of-the-cw-83c4b256348d#.aggfupnd7 Quote Early in the adaptation process, though, it became clear that a direct transplant of the comics’ low-stakes kitsch wasn’t enough to set Riverdale apart from the deafening chatter of Peak TV. Aguirre-Sacasa, a television veteran who’s written for Glee, Big Love, and Looking in addition to his comics work, originally conceived Riverdale as “a much more straightforward coming-of-age show”; think Freaks and Geeks or My So-Called Life with a subtextual Madonna-whore complex. “I had always thought that the fact that it was Archie and Betty and Veronica … was enough,” Aguirre-Sacasa explained. “What we found out is that things really didn’t spark until we put those characters in juxtaposition with something that was almost the opposite. Which is to say, a world of noir elements: crime, secrets, sexuality, moral complexity.” CW president Mark Pedowitz wasn’t just receptive to Riverdale’s counterintuitive hodgepodge — he “really, really pushed [Riverdale] to become something more than it was originally,” Aguirre-Sacasa said. “It’s a mystery show as well as a coming-of-age show.” And then it was Berlanti who suggested a dead body, the inciting incident of any number of small-town intrigue shows. Aguirre-Sacasa initially resisted the suggestion, until he realized that sex, crime, and intrigue were exactly what the pilot needed: “TV’s changed so much, and to make a show break from the white noise of it all, it does feel like you, for better or for worse, need a concept and a take that sets it apart.” So he added Stand by Me and River’s Edge to his inspiration board (Riverdale’s pilot episode is named after the 1986 Keanu Reeves indie). * * * It also layers on the sort of ’80s teen nostalgia that, in a happy coincidence, became all the rage while Riverdale was being developed. The Americans, The Goldbergs, Halt and Catch Fire, and Stranger Things are all set in the decade, probing its aesthetics and late–Cold War cultural environment with 20/20 hindsight. Riverdale takes the same approach to its vision of adolescence, and adds an extra dimension of anthropological irony. Pep rallies and proms are already bizarre; it just takes the heightened unreality of life-or-death stakes and comic book characters to help us see it. That’s how you get Riverdale’s eyebrow-raising logline, most recently touted by Pedowitz at this month’s Television Critics Association press tour: The O.C. Twin Peaks. Edited January 29, 2017 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 29, 2017 Share January 29, 2017 (edited) I'm always interested in seeing which scenes from just-aired episodes they pick, in order to get people to watch these shows on The CW App... Edited January 29, 2017 by tv echo Link to comment
CooperTV January 29, 2017 Share January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, tv echo said: I'm always interested in seeing which scenes from just-aired episodes they pick, in order to get people to watch these shows on The CW App... They chose that scene where it looked like Curtis was about to make out with Rene. I have no complaints there! 1 Link to comment
LeighAn January 29, 2017 Share January 29, 2017 57 minutes ago, CooperTV said: They chose that scene where it looked like Curtis was about to make out with Rene. I have no complaints there! Angry wall sex! I like how it was all action, action, action, man pain. 3 Link to comment
Trini January 29, 2017 Share January 29, 2017 Now I'm really wondering how and when Cisco had this supposed, offscreen conversation with Felicity about doppelgangers from another dimension. Around Invasion! maybe? 5 Link to comment
bijoux January 29, 2017 Share January 29, 2017 Maybe while she was throwing up on the Waverider? I mean, they did cover Flashpoint and how it affected Cisco's brother, so it's possible. Although I like to imagine them chatting on slower nights. You wouldn't believe what Barry/Oliver's pulled now! 5 Link to comment
tv echo January 30, 2017 Share January 30, 2017 Winter TV Preview 2017: 25 Scoops in 25 Days BREANNE L. HELDMAN UPDATED JANUARY 28, 2017 http://ew.com/tv/winter-tv-25-scoops/supergirl Quote 5 of 26Supergirl It seems like it was just Christmas last week, but here we are, giving you details on how our favorite new TV couple, Alex (Chyler Leigh) and Maggie (Floriana Lima) would be spending Valentine's Day. Feel the love here. http://ew.com/tv/winter-tv-25-scoops/the-flash Quote 18 of 26The Flash Ronnie Raymond returns! That's right, we revealed that Robbie Amell, whose character was long presumed dead, would be coming turning up this winter. Link to comment
kismet January 30, 2017 Share January 30, 2017 So do we think Robbie will just be a figment of Caitlin's imagination? I don't really watch or follow The Flash, but I know that Killer Frost is on her own way to the show. I can't imagine the show resisting the temptation to make Robbie her imaginary good angel in her head, while also teasing audiences that Robbie is BACK, when really he is not. 1 Link to comment
BkWurm1 January 30, 2017 Share January 30, 2017 Savitar has people seeing dead loved ones in order to convince them to do what he wants. That's my guess. 2 Link to comment
kismet January 30, 2017 Share January 30, 2017 Wow, I see Dead People has really become the Go-To Flarrowverse Plot. Only wish it was as intriguing as it was in the movie Spoiler The 6th sense. That was a phenomenal way to use the I see Dead People plot line. With Flarrowverse, it's just your average Tues or Weds. Link to comment
Velocity23 January 30, 2017 Share January 30, 2017 Quote Do the members of the Legion of Doom each see themselves as the leader of this group? LETSCHER: Possibly. I won’t speak for Neal [McDonough] or John [Barrowman], but at the end of the day, they do understand that Eobard is the man with the plan, and not just with the plan, but with the knowledge of the Spear of Destiny, how it works and how we’re going to reclaim it. They each have their own need for this particular item that’s different from everybody else’s, but they clearly recognize that Eobard is the one with the plan to pull it all together. Because each of these men have their own reasons for working together and their own agenda, how difficult will it be for them to get on the same page, as far as using the Spear of Destiny to rewrite reality? LETSCHER: It’s going to take a little doing. We’re going to see a lot of that in this episode. There’s a lot of examining the nature of the triumvirate and the power structure that’s in place, how much they can trust each other, and what each person’s role is going to be in the Legion of Doom. There’s a lot of exploration and clarification of that, in this episode. By the end of the episode, you get a real sense that they’re together on this and what’s driving them, most urgently, to make it happen. I feel like a lot of questions will be answered for people, in this episode. http://collider.com/legends-of-tomorrow-matt-letscher-interview/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social#images Why do i have the feeling the spear will have to do something with Barry and flashpoint. Link to comment
Starfish35 January 30, 2017 Share January 30, 2017 (edited) Deadline - ‘Marvel’s Cloak & Dagger’: Olivia Holt & Aubrey Joseph Land Title Roles In Series For Freeform Quote EXCLUSIVE: Marvel and Freeform have found their Cloak and Dagger for the new straight-to-series coming-of-age live-action drama based on the Marvel characters. Former Disney Channel star Olivia Holt and Aubrey Joseph (The Night Of) have landed the leads in the new Freeform drama series Marvel’s Cloak & Dagger. Marvel’s Cloak & Dagger follows the interracial romance between Tandy Bowen (Holt) and Tyrone Johnson (Joseph), who come from starkly different backgrounds, each growing up with a secret they never dared share with another soul. Tandy can emit light daggers and Tyrone has the ability to engulf others in darkness. They quickly learn they are better together than apart — but their feelings for each other make their already complicated world even more challenging. TVLine - Marvel's Cloak and Dagger: Olivia Holt, Aubrey Joseph Cast in Freeform Series Quote Disney Channel alum Olivia Holt and The Night Of's Aubrey Joseph have landed the leads in Marvel’s Cloak and Dagger, an upcoming series at Freeform. An adaptation of the Marvel comics characters first introduced in a 1982 Spectacular Spider-Man series and then in success spun off into their own adventures, the live-action project follows Tyrone “Ty” Johnson and Tandy Bowen, a pair of powered young people who as Cloak and Dagger absorb baddies into “darkness” and shoot light daggers, respectively. Edited January 30, 2017 by Starfish35 2 Link to comment
BkWurm1 January 30, 2017 Share January 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Velocity23 said: I won’t speak for Neal [McDonough] or John [Barrowman], but at the end of the day, they do understand that Eobard is the man with the plan, and not just with the plan, but with the knowledge of the Spear of Destiny, how it works and how we’re going to reclaim it. They each have their own need for this particular item that’s different from everybody else’s, but they clearly recognize that Eobard is the one with the plan to pull it all together. Well Dahrk doesn't want to die. Probably same with Reverse Flash (or more so that he doesn't want Eddie to die and thus discontinue his family line - still say getting a vasectomy would have been a better option to suicide) But what does Malcolm want to use it for? Would he possibly undo Rebecca's death and thus give up all he's learned from the LoA since he'd have had no reason to go to Nanda Parbat? (Though he did have some skills I guess before when he was Arthur King) Would he use it to save Tommy? Could we get maybe a way to bring Tommy back to life and thus a retroactive explanation if they were to get CD back for a reveal as Prometheus? Could all this talk about him not being available be a smokes screen for actually having him for an episode? Or would Malcolm just try to retain power of the LoA? Or have Thea's devotion? It probably doesn't matter since the Legends would thwart them I assume, but if they didn't completely thwart them, that would be really interesting. Or really frustrating. 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 (edited) How the CW Mastered the Superhero Rom-Com By Abraham Riesman January 30, 2017http://www.vulture.com/2017/01/supergirl-cw-superhero-romantic-comedy.html?mid=twitter-share-vulture Quote The whole sequence is more Bridget Jones’s Diary than Batman v Superman, and that’s entirely by design. Indeed, the infusion of romantic comedy into the superhero genre is arguably what has made Supergirl and its fellow caped-crusader shows on the CW such hits. Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, and DC’s Legends of Tomorrow comprise a quartet colloquially known as the Berlantiverse, named for their executive producer, Greg Berlanti. He was making rom-coms long before he was doing small-screen spandex, having directed 2000’s The Broken Hearts Club and 2010’s Life As We Know It, and acted as showrunner for the rom-com-influenced teen dramas Dawson’s Creek and Everwood. By carrying over the lessons he learned on those projects, Berlanti is significantly advancing the superhero genre and opening it up to audiences with lower tolerances for CGI beat-’em-ups. Romance is, of course, not a new concept for superhero fiction. Ever since Clark Kent started pining for Lois Lane, only to see her prefer his tights-wearing alter ego, attraction and rejection have been ongoing motifs in the genre. It’s not even entirely new to televised adaptations of superhero comics — the 1990s ABC curio Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman drew heavily on matters of the heart. But the Berlantiverse shows come at a special time in the eight-decade history of the superhero genre, when it finds itself in the global-entertainment spotlight as never before. As is true of any industry with an expanding supply of product, superhero filmmaking needs to find new audiences if it hopes to survive, and the Berlantiverse provides a useful and surprisingly successful model for attracting them with rom-com tropes. Think of it as a new kind of romantic comedy: a superhe-rom-com, if you will. The foundations were laid out in the first Berlantiverse show, Arrow, with the introduction of geeky blonde tech expert Felicity Smoak. In season one, Smoak provided much-needed levity and romantic tension to protagonist Ollie’s sludge-dark trials and tribulations. The second show, The Flash, brought even more rom-com-y business by devoting just as much attention to the question of whether Barry Allen (the titular Flash) would hook up with longtime crush Iris West as it did to whether our hero could defeat baddies. The fourth, Legends, is fixated on simmering dalliances between quirky misfits like the Atom and Hawkgirl. Each plays around with different romantic-comedy tropes: Arrow shows us the struggle of an emotionally unavailable stoic attempting to be vulnerable, Flash shows a lead who can't quite find the balance between work and love lives, and Legends has the nervous "he likes me, but does he like-like me?" pining of a high-school love story. But the third show, Supergirl, is where Berlanti and co-creators Allison Adler and Andrew Kreisberg made the heady brew most potent. Supergirl is so much like a romantic comedy that when its first promo debuted, months before the series premiere, geeks pounced on the fact that it seemed eerily close to an SNL parody of a Black Widow–starring Avengers rom-com. Leaving aside whether such comparisons are good or bad, they were quite accurate: The trailer follows a clumsy single gal in the big city, as she works for a domineering boss and can’t figure out how to tell her crush that she likes him. To the extent that the crime-fighting stuff appeared in the Supergirl trailer, it was primarily there to show us that we’d see a timid woman learn how to actualize herself. * * * Take, for example, a recent scene in which the core cast gathers at Kara’s apartment for a Thanksgiving dinner with her mom, Eliza, and her sister, Alex. While gently bouncy woodwinds croon, the room is abuzz with confusion and nerves over potential romantic disasters.... You’d never find a scene like that in any superhero franchise outside the Berlantiverse. Sure, you might see Tony Stark kiss Pepper Potts or witness Batfleck waking up next to a nameless sexual conquest, but those bits are brief and usually played with a certain degree of weighty pathos. Marvel television has given us superhumans who bang, especially in Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, but their romance is rarely comedic. The only other place you'll find rom-comminess among superheroes is in the vibrant world of fanfic and other fan-created media, where shootouts regularly take a back seat to smooches. Just take a look at the Tumblr tag for “Stucky,” the fan term referring to the romantic pairing of Steve Rogers (a.k.a. Captain America) and Bucky Barnes (a.k.a. the Winter Soldier). * * * That’s a damn shame, because any robust genre deserves creators who expand its boundaries. Superhero fiction has broadly appealing themes — ethical use of power, triumph over impossible odds, the possibility of real altruism — but if you just focus on brawling and brooding, you're telling audiences who cringe at machismo that the multi-billion-dollar superhero industry isn’t for them. Even if you’re just looking at the bottom line, you have to recognize that the success of the Berlantiverse, which keeps racking up ratings victories, suggests it would only be prudent to pay attention to their secret sauce. The stewards of the superhero tentpoles would do well to stir in a little less Frank Miller and a little more Nora Ephron. Edited January 31, 2017 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 Looks like both Supergirl and JTV are down from last week. Link to comment
wonderwall January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 Damn. That is NOT good for Supergirl... At least viewership is pretty high though. Link to comment
Starfish35 January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 (edited) It's not great. It's not a series low - it hit a 0.6 for episode 2.04, and got 0.7 for 2.05 and 2.06. But assuming it doesn't adjust up, it's the second lowest viewership number so far. http://www.spottedratings.com/2016/10/spotvault-supergirl-cw-2016-17-ratings.html But JtV also dropped, so it wasn't just Supergirl. It'll be interesting to see what happens with The Flash tonight, whether it rebounds or whether sub-1.0 numbers are going to be the new normal for it. Edited January 31, 2017 by Starfish35 Link to comment
tv echo January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 (edited) The CW EVP Thom Sherman Adds More Oversight, Gaye Hirsch Named Head Of Scripted, Cyle Zezo Upped In Alternative by Nellie Andreeva • January 30, 2017 12:01pmhttp://deadline.com/2017/01/the-cw-thom-sherman-gaye-hirsch-head-of-scripted-cyle-zezo-alternative-1201897541/ Quote The CW Network has firmed up its development team under EVP Thom Sherman. Sherman, who already oversees all development for The CW’s primetime series, including scripted series development, alternative programming, and specials, is adding alternative current to his purview. On the scripted side, Gaye Hirsch, previously SVP and Co-Head of Drama Development for the network, has been named SVP, Scripted Development, overseeing the network’s scripted series development. The new title formalizes Hirsch’s role — she had been flying solo since co-head drama Joanna Klein left last summer to become head of scripted programming at Lifetime. The CW is focused entirely on hourlong scripted series. * * *As co-head of drama, Hirsch has been closely involved in the development of all of The CW’s scripted series, including The Flash, Arrow, Jane the Virgin, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and the Riverdale. Hirsch transitioned into scripted development at The CW in 2009, after serving in the network’s current programming department as SVP, where she oversaw the day-to-day production on CW series, including Gossip Girl. She first joined The CW in 2006 as VP, Current Programming. Edited January 31, 2017 by tv echo Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Starfish35 said: It'll be interesting to see what happens with The Flash tonight, whether it rebounds or whether sub-1.0 numbers are going to be the new normal for it. That's what I'm most curious about. I think it will go back up but, you never know. Link to comment
BkWurm1 January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 6 hours ago, tv echo said: How the CW Mastered the Superhero Rom-Com By Abraham Riesman January 30, 2017http://www.vulture.com/2017/01/supergirl-cw-superhero-romantic-comedy.html?mid=twitter-share-vulture An interesting take but I think they are stretching the analogy. Arrow may have moments of levity and with Felicity as love interest, of course the levity would also come out in romantic moments, but Arrow is so clearly not a rom com. And the Legend's romance with Ray and Hawkgirl beyond one flirty conversation before they were a thing, was not what I'd call comedic (it barely qualifies as romantic but that might have been my dislike of the pairing) There could be a case for The Flash and Supergirl to have a romcom vibe but I think the other two are not the correct characterizations. The author is trying to use Rom/Com as a shortcut to say banter and moments of lightness and just not a total focus on beat 'em up stuff but those are more dramedy elements than something only found in a Rom/com. Also, Iron Man, at least the stand alone movies had a lot more than just Tony kissing Pepper and then jetting off. Their scenes were packed with flirtatious Rom/Com banter. Still, I guess it's a good thing that the article is in favor of the perceived Rom/Com elements. And then there is this: Quote Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, and DC’s Legends of Tomorrow comprise a quartet colloquially known as the Berlantiverse, I wonder in what circles. 3 Link to comment
tv echo January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 Teri Hatcher Joins 'Supergirl' for Major Season 2 Arc JANUARY 31, 2017 10:00am PT by Kate Stanhopehttp://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/teri-hatcher-joins-supergirl-season-2-970551?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral 1 Link to comment
Starfish35 January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 I really hope she and Dean Cain get to have some scenes together. :) #firstOTP. Lol. 21 Link to comment
manbearpig January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 I love that Supergirl is bringing in all these super people from past shows. How long do I have to wait before they get my Smallville faves like Mack, Glover or Rosenbaum? 3 Link to comment
kismet January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 Love that Teri Hatcher is making an appearance in SG. Lois & Clark has always been one of my first TV loves. I can remember making time to watch that show. I was a die-hard fan and didn't even know it was a thing. Really wish SG was on a better night... I'm so far behind on it, I don't feel like I have time to catch up. That and it seems to have not been the best season from what I heard. 4 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 Supergirl is doing some epic level stunt casting. 3 Link to comment
kismet January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, Starfish35 said: Well if we're going to continue to talk about LoT, we should probably go to Mind Your Surroundings. But I wasn't really serious about Quentin - although his dry commentary would be immensely entertaining, I don't really see a regular role for him on the ship. But I admit I'd take Curtis over bland-as-bread Nate. But as in everything, mileage varies. Agree YMMV. If QL is cut, I don't see a place for him on the Waverider either. One of the things I like about LoT, is there is no FS or Cisco on the show. I personally just don't find those characters on a whole interesting or funny - for me they are very cliche most of the time. I think those characters are successful when they are cast and written well. So where I do enjoy FS because of EBR and most of the time her writing is strong as geek humor. I can't stand Cisco on both a writing & acting level. I frankly was the minority of people that enjoyed moody Cisco. At least he stepped outside of the cliche for an episode or two. The thing about Curtis is I find him even more of a cliche since he got his mask. So while I was pretty meh about him last season, his increased role has really annoyed me this season. He was bread last season, not so much this season. I don't feel like he would add anything to team. And while Nate is bland-as-bread, he doesn't really distract from the team. Bread is a common thing restaurants give at the start of the meal to pass the time. That is how Nate comes off a random meal starter, but when matched with other characters can be appetizing. Curtis would not be able to blend that easily. He is a bigger and larger presence because the writers can't help but try to make him funny. And while EBR can deliver on that, I've yet to see Echo do that. I see him more as an annoyance, and I dislike being annoyed by cliches. But I totally respect that everyone has their own preferences. Nate's blandness does not annoy me, whereas Curtis needs a less is more approach and for me that is not a spot on the Waverider. I say give him a nice condo outside of SC with a smaller recurring role on Arrow and that works better for me. 2 Link to comment
calliope1975 January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 Supergirl has been snoozeville for me lately with the focus on Mon-El, but I will totally tune in for Teri Hatcher. Link to comment
Velocity23 January 31, 2017 Share January 31, 2017 I cant believe Supergirl tied Quantico in the demo. Link to comment
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