S03.E09: Reign

[GHScorpiosRule]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how these people in the 31st century EAT, if they don't use their hands or fingers, according to fake!Saturn Girl*

I hope we see Rokk. Hey, is Ryan Kennedy available? He can reprise his role and he looks like he hasn't aged a day since Smallville, either.

What?

*I don't care--LALALALALALALALAAAAAAAAAA She's not blonde; ergo she ain't Saturn Girl. And quiet, peanut gallery-I know that Barry is supposed be blonde as well and he's not.  

[Moviesnob]

20 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I think the difference here in comparison with those shows are that Chris/Melissa met on set, and their characters were also paired romantically first before the actors started a relationship. 

Anyway, moving on from that behind the scenes stuff, Mon-El/Kara really do seem done after this episode. I'm not sure how they can make them a romantic couple again after all this set-up to give them closure, and have Mon-El respect her as a person and respect that she changed his life and gave him purpose to change. It would be nice to see Kara truly move on and have them never speak of their relationship again! Imra also seems like a very nice person and I'd hate to see them retcon that (though maybe it wouldn't be much of a retcon in terms of this show's canon universe because this is only her second episode). 

I agree with pretty much everything you've posted in this thread. This episode was just misery on top of misery for Supergirl, and it was HARD to watch. I hope they have a fantastic pay off at the end of all this, but I really don't know how they'll get there or what their plan could be for Mon-El and Kara. I really hope they don't plan on continuing the little moments of Supergirl angst throughout the rest of the year. I love romance and romantic drama (hence why I watch way too much CW), but this one is hitting the wrong feels. 

I also get fearful when I hear that actors are dating IRL, as any stage of that relationship could have storyline effects. If they break up and writers choose to write around it to keep them apart, etc - in a perfect world they would just do the job, but often that's not how it happens in Hollywood.

[KirkB]

27 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how these people in the 31st century EAT, if they don't use their hands or fingers, according to fake!Saturn Girl*

I remember wondering the same thing. It didn't dawn on me the moment she said it, it was a few minutes when I went "Wait..." Everyone who knows the comics character said she was telepathic. Is she telekinetic as well? Because if she is, I was thinking maybe she has grown up using her mind to feed herself and never bothered to use those things on the end of her arms. But the way she said it implied no one in the 31st century used their hands, so unless they ALL have telekinesis it still doesn't make sense. Honestly, it was probably just meant to be a joke without any real thought behind it, but I still want to know.

[JapMo]

It's really just speculation that they have kept Chris on longer than intended because he's dating Melissa.  He was on another CW show, wasn't he?  Apparently they like him and trust he can do the job.  I think he's got great comedic timing, is hot as hell, and I definitely see on screen chemistry between the two characters.  That being said...

I'm really disappointed in how they've returned him.  I don't understand the logic of keeping him off until the 7th episode, when they weren't giving much anyway to J'onn, James, Lena and especially Winn.  I was expecting they would show him with The Legion and we'd get to see some 31st century stuff before he ever returned to Earth.  Is there a reason they were down at the bottom of the ocean for 12,000 years, or just something pulled out of a writer's head because he/she thought it sounded cool?  Mon'-El's been back 3 episodes if you count the crossover he was barely in, and it's sad how he's being portrayed.  After going through the entire last season watching them get together (with the writers not only having other characters but Mon-El himself repeatedly say Kara is too good for him), now Mon-El is being extremely insensitive, thoughtless, cruel (can you heap on a little more, writers?) so poor pitiful Kara is being beaten to the ground like a sniveling dog.  I'm still of the mindset he isn't really married, or it's just an agreement he had to accept in order to get back to Earth.  That there's some reason they are purposely trying to keep Kara in the dark.  But even if I'm right, the damage is done.  I know soooo many on this site are very vocal they don't like Mon-El, but for those of us who do it's disheartening because why bring him back in the first place?  He was forced off earth, and they could have dealt with that off-screen in the first episode this season that he had let her know he was OK but due to the lead, he could never come back and he wanted her to move on with her life.   

[statsgirl]

5 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

It's definitely consistent, but I think we're supposed to like him somehow. I don't think their intent is to make him an intentional douche.

I think they don't get the line between redeemable and nonredeemable douche.   (Ralph Dibney, I'm looking at you.)  Having redeemed Mon El in s2, they're going to make him grey at the start of s3 and redeemed  by the end of the season.  Whether he stays on longer past the original two year contract I think depends on the behind the scenes part because they can write it either way, either Mon El bids Kara a fond goodbye and returns with Irma, or bids Irma a fond goodbye and she returns alone.  I don't think they will kill her off, the future needs her too much.

My sense is that s2 is too early to tie Kara up in an OTP but The Flash did it for Barry and Iris.  James beginning a relationship with Lena now makes me think they have taken Kara/James off the table for good.  But hey Winn is still available.

One of the worst examples of a real-life couple transferred to on-screen was Jennifer Morrison and Jesse Spencer who started dating during their time on the show House.  In season 3 David Shore wanted to end the House/Cameron tease and move to House/Cuddy so he took their real life relationship and put Chase and Cameron into one of the show's standard dysfunctional relationship.  Cameron and Morrison's relationship ended before the show did so kudos to them for keeping their personal lives out of their on-screen ones.

[Oreo2234]

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My sense is that s2 is too early to tie Kara up in an OTP but The Flash did it for Barry and Iris.  James beginning a relationship with Lena now makes me think they have taken Kara/James off the table for good.  But hey Winn is still available.

Well in the case of The Flash he has an OTP in the comics. That's not really true Kara in the comics. On some shows the OTP showing up early on can work but I don't think that's the case for Supergirl. Even now too much of Kara's development is centred around Mon-el (it's the primary reason she is so gloomy this year). Supergirl would work better if it was a show where she gets love interests but their not huge characters or more than recurring or guest stars. At least not until later on.  

Edited December 7, 2017 by Oreo2234

[Winston Wolfe]

6 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

I'm not sure how they can make them a romantic couple again after all this set-up to give them closure, and have Mon-El respect her as a person and respect that she changed his life and gave him purpose to change. It would be nice to see Kara truly move on and have them never speak of their relationship again!

We know what's going to happen: Imra sacrifices her life to help defeat Reign and BOOM! path cleared for Kara/Mon-El part Deux.

[JapMo]

5 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

We know what's going to happen: Imra sacrifices her life to help defeat Reign and BOOM! path cleared for Kara/Mon-El part Deux.

I don't think so/hope not.  Isn't Imra in the comics supposed to be married to someone else?  Maybe that's tied in to why she's there, too.  That Reign will kill her husband in the future so she comes back with Mon-El to keep that from happening.  I actually kind of like that idea.  

 

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

I think they don't get the line between redeemable and nonredeemable douche.   (Ralph Dibney, I'm looking at you.)

Man, he really is a douche.  He's great in small (very small) doses.  I sure hope my radar was off on Tuesday's episode and the show isn't taking baby steps to the eventual pairing of Kaitlyn and Dibney.  

[KirkB]

35 minutes ago, JapMo said:

Man, he really is a douche.  He's great in small (very small) doses.  I sure hope my radar was off on Tuesday's episode and the show isn't taking baby steps to the eventual pairing of Kaitlyn and Dibney.

Actually, prior to this last episode I didn't think so (I mean Caitlin/Dibney, not him being a douche, that he definitely is). The fact Dibney thinks Frost is hot and something about their particular interaction made me think they really ARE heading that way.

Edited December 7, 2017 by KirkB

[wilnil]

7 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how these people in the 31st century EAT, if they don't use their hands or fingers...

My assumption was that in the 31st century, people always use utensils (set designers could have a lot of fun coming up with future food-serving techniques and utensils here), and eating with your hands is considered uncivilized.

[KirkB]

8 minutes ago, wilnil said:

My assumption was that in the 31st century, people always use utensils (set designers could have a lot of fun coming up with future food-serving techniques and utensils here), and eating with your hands is considered uncivilized.

I hadn't thought about it that way but maybe you're right. Maybe what she meant was "I can't believe you people TOUCH your food with your hands to eat it".

Edited December 7, 2017 by KirkB

[Xander]

On 12/7/2017 at 1:56 PM, JapMo said:

It's really just speculation that they have kept Chris on longer than intended because he's dating Melissa.  He was on another CW show, wasn't he?  Apparently they like him and trust he can do the job.  I think he's got great comedic timing, is hot as hell, and I definitely see on screen chemistry between the two characters.  That being said...

I'm really disappointed in how they've returned him.  I don't understand the logic of keeping him off until the 7th episode, when they weren't giving much anyway to J'onn, James, Lena and especially Winn.  I was expecting they would show him with The Legion and we'd get to see some 31st century stuff before he ever returned to Earth.  Is there a reason they were down at the bottom of the ocean for 12,000 years, or just something pulled out of a writer's head because he/she thought it sounded cool?  Mon'-El's been back 3 episodes if you count the crossover he was barely in, and it's sad how he's being portrayed.  After going through the entire last season watching them get together (with the writers not only having other characters but Mon-El himself repeatedly say Kara is too good for him), now Mon-El is being extremely insensitive, thoughtless, cruel (can you heap on a little more, writers?) so poor pitiful Kara is being beaten to the ground like a sniveling dog.  I'm still of the mindset he isn't really married, or it's just an agreement he had to accept in order to get back to Earth.  That there's some reason they are purposely trying to keep Kara in the dark.  But even if I'm right, the damage is done.  I know soooo many on this site are very vocal they don't like Mon-El, but for those of us who do it's disheartening because why bring him back in the first place?  He was forced off earth, and they could have dealt with that off-screen in the first episode this season that he had let her know he was OK but due to the lead, he could never come back and he wanted her to move on with her life.   

That's because their primary purpose is to squeeze as much drama as possible out of every scenario and they couldn't care less how Mon-El comes off. Otherwise, why would Kara's introduction to Imra be after they kissed when he could have told her who she was when Kara smashed her pod? 

And ridiculous things like setting up the ribs date just to piss all over it and hurt Kara's feelings in this episode? Or stupid questions like, "Do you want to talk about it?" Or showing up at the DEO to talk about relationships and other bullshit! I really hope they didn't introduce the Legion just for relationship drama because so far, I am not impressed. 

I watch this show and wonder WHY they keep writing stupidly when there are so many obvious, better ways that things can be done. James and Lena could have been set up better. Mon-El's return could have been set up better and in a far more interesting, intriguing way. These boring Ruby/Sam scenes can be drastically cut to create real estate for other more interesting storylines. They are mother and daughter so the default is that they love each other hence, we don't need these many scenes. 

And Kara having a hard time doesn't mean the episodes have to be so depressing. What's so great about Kara being down in the dumps all season? Why have they sucked out most of the fun from the show? 

[Perfect Xero]

On 12/7/2017 at 6:36 PM, wilnil said:

My assumption was that in the 31st century, people always use utensils (set designers could have a lot of fun coming up with future food-serving techniques and utensils here), and eating with your hands is considered uncivilized.

This is what I took from it.

It reminded me of the episode of Seinfeld where George starts eating a candy bar with a knife and fork. "What the hell are you doing?" "Eating my desert. How do you eat it, with your hands?"

[VCRTracking]

This might be the one instance where I can believe a person wears a mask and wouldn't be recognized. Somehow Odette Anabelle looks different with it on.

[ItCouldBeWorse]

On 12/5/2017 at 0:32 AM, tofutan said:

How did Lena not notice James pulling out a hugeass shield? 

She was conveniently staring at the ground, where James had pushed her down, to safety.

On 12/5/2017 at 1:09 AM, statsgirl said:

Did he buy his Incredibly Expanding and Shrinking Shield from the same place Oliver Queen got his church bow last week?

I was wondering the same thing.

Also, if you are Kryptonian and there is a big rectangle you can't see through when searching for someone, wouldn't you assume it is lead and just rip through it? She can still smash lead, she just can't see through it.

I assume that Saturn Girl is not blonde simply because Supergirl is. Better contrast, and no one can say that Mon El chose Imra because of her resemblance to Kara.

On 12/5/2017 at 1:12 AM, ottoDbusdriver said:

Who was watching Ruby when Sam/Reign was killing gang members, trying to kill Edge, and beating on Kara ?

Sam did say that Mrs. Somebody was going to take Ruby home and presumably stay with her since Sam was so behind in her work she had to stay at the office on Xmas eve. I don't know what other person would receive the results of her work on a holiday, but they did mention it. I don't know when the babysitter left, or how much someone gets paid to babysit on a today, even , perhaps, if it's not their holiday.

On 12/5/2017 at 1:12 AM, ottoDbusdriver said:

Better question -- how many workplaces actually have their office Xmas party on Xmas Eve ? 

I think I know the answer to this one! If I remember correctly, the company where Randall used to work on This is Us, and, even better, his boss used to toss the Xmas bonuses on the ground for the employees to scurry after!

Edited December 10, 2017 by ItCouldBeWorse

[legaleagle53]

7 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

I think I know the answer to this one! If I remember correctly, the company where Randall used to work on This is Us, and, even Better, his boss used to toss the Xmas bonuses on the ground for the employees to scurry after!

Wow.  That would cause even more damage and chaos than Kara and Reign's fight did!

[Quark]

Really great episode.

That fight scene at the end was superb.

I do agree about gloomy Kara, hopefully she starts getting happier soon.

[ParadoxLost]

On ‎12‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 11:12 AM, Lady Calypso said:

Anyway, moving on from that behind the scenes stuff, Mon-El/Kara really do seem done after this episode. I'm not sure how they can make them a romantic couple again after all this set-up to give them closure, and have Mon-El respect her as a person and respect that she changed his life and gave him purpose to change. It would be nice to see Kara truly move on and have them never speak of their relationship again! Imra also seems like a very nice person and I'd hate to see them retcon that (though maybe it wouldn't be much of a retcon in terms of this show's canon universe because this is only her second episode). 

I don't think Mon-El / Kara are done after this episode.  I think instead that they are trying to set up a two sided triangle with Mon-EL in the center and more believability that Irma is something more than just an insignificant obstacle to Kara/Mon El.

Mon El and Irma spent the episode doing happy couple stuff so there is a reason for Mon El not going right back to Kara.  Then at the end Kara nearly dies.  I'm sure that will shake up Mon El into being torn between Kara and Irma.  There is going to be a difference between 'I traveled 7 years into the future and had to move on' and 'Kara nearly died'.

I suspect that Kara's line about how painful it was not to see love in Mon-Els eyes was supposed to bookend with him watching her on the operating table at the end with emotion (but I concede that I totally saw no difference in the look in his eyes but I'm chalking it up to acting fail).

I'm not really all that invested.  I just have seen a lot of soap operas in my lifetime and the scenario that played out on this episode was quite familiar.

[AudienceofOne]

On 12/5/2017 at 1:00 PM, Lady Calypso said:

 I do like Imra, though. She's kind of fun and I hope she's good. I'll admit, I would not hate if they kept her around and paired her with Winn once Mon-El breaks her heart or however they break them up.

She has an English accent and is married to the main character's love interest. She's clearly evil.

[Chas411]

Just caught this - what a depressing Christmas for everyone.