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S06.E08: The Incident

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chenoa333

chenoa333

20 hours ago, OnceSane said:
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Kash is bitten by a dog; Kim and Kroy must make a difficult decision.

Kash is bitten by a dog AGAIN? Or is this an episode filmed when Kash was bitten the first time? The Biermann's are so disgusting, low class and just plain dumb. 

I feel very sad for any pet(s) these selfish fame whores bring in to their home.

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farmgal4

farmgal4

On November 9, 2017 at 7:17 PM, chenoa333 said:

Do they still have the dog that bit Kash? 

Sin bit the kid and yes, they still have Sin.  It was determined that Sin didn't purposely attack the boy.  I'm betting the kid provoked the dog in some way and the dog said, Enough!

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Bronzedog

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I’m a little torn.  I think a dog living in the Bierman household would be under a boat load of stress constantly.  The kids are out of control, there are a million of them, and, then Kroy knows the dog hates the leaf blower but doesn’t remove the dog from the area.  He also did not see what actually happened right before the dog bit. I can understand Kroy not wanting Sin back but I’m glad they didn’t put him down because he may well have been provoked.  Dogs, like people, have a breaking point.  That said, I would hope they would Re home Sin rather than keep him and have him live in a crate because they don’t trust him.

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rideashire

rideashire

These people sort of brought that bite on themselves. He knows the dog hates the blower (which is not an unusual thing) and yet he lets the dog out loose with his brat child while the blower is going....??? In what reality is that a good plan?

Plus, those kids are wild and you know that boy was bouncing all over as the perfect target for the dog to redirect his agitation onto. Management errors all around.

Having said that, any dog that chooses to use his teeth on someone's face as a way to deal with their own stress needs a one way trip to the vet. I don't care what Kroy did wrong (which was everything) there's no excuses for a dog to bite a child in the fucking eyeball. Jesus.

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renatae

renatae

On 11/9/2017 at 7:17 PM, chenoa333 said:

Do they still have the dog that bit Kash? 

In real time, I'm not sure, but in this week's show, Kroy wanted to put the dog down, but Kim convinced him to at least consult the behavior specialist because she wanted to see if there was a way they could keep the dog and yet be able to reasonably trust an incident like this would not be repeated. They left it that the guys would work with the dog a few days, then they would revisit the issue.

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NowVoyager

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There. Is. No. Fucking. Way! That dog would still be in my house around my kids. A half an inch from losing his whole eyeball is not a nip! Somebody needs to call Child Protective Services on this bish.... & big dummy Kroy went along with her foolishness. Smh.

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Caseysgirl

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We've all seen the way animals are abused by the Biermann's and with all the mayhem in their home it is no surprise that one of their animals might attack.  On the other hand, I hate to see an animal who has not previously been a problem destroyed. I agree with the idea of re-homing the dog.

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Emmeline

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Many years ago I had an Aunt with a well behaved dog.  One day the dog was playing ball with her young son.  The boy was holding the ball up by his face.  The dog leaped to get the ball from the boy and accidentally got the boys face instead.  He also went for surgical repair but it wasn’t to the eye just the face.  My Aunt hated the dog but they kept the dog.  It truly was an accident not an intentional bite.  Since no one saw the incident and Kash does not seem to remember what happened, we will never know the true story.  These children are so rambunctious they have no business having any animals.  My wish is that they find a new home for the dog, perhaps one with no children. 

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walnutqueen

walnutqueen

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I'm inclined to give the dog the benefit of my doubt, having seen the chaos of the Bierman household, and knowing that his crate was situated smack in the middle of that chaos in the kitchen.  That poor creature probably never had a moment's peace and safety from the horde.

That said, as an animal lover, Tracy should have known better than to place a pet into that household; or, at the very least, been aware of at least some of the problems that could arise from this situation.

A little kid (and possibly a good dog) paid the price for peoples' ignorance.  :-(

 

ETA - But why would anyone need a dog trainer 3 times per week for the 3 years they had this dog?  Were there problems, or are they just throwing money at nothing because they were too lazy to follow through with any kind of structure in this poor dog's life?

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chenoa333

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5 hours ago, NowVoyager said:

There. Is. No. Fucking. Way! That dog would still be in my house around my kids. A half an inch from losing his whole eyeball is not a nip! Somebody needs to call Child Protective Services on this bish.... & big dummy Kroy went along with her foolishness. Smh.

If you poke a bear with a stick, it's going to react like it's being provoked. Because it is. 

I totally understand your point. A vicious dog should not be around children OR be adopted.

However, I don't believe that the dog was inappropriately aggressive. The kid provoked it, scared it, hit it. Kim & Kroy's younger children (maybe not Kaia) are not well behaved. 

We've seen Kash threaten to hit or smack Brielle (or maybe it was arianna?) when the parents were on a trip to Florida for Kim's plastic surgery. Kash is a spoiled brat. 

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MissE

MissE

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3 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

If you poke a bear with a stick, it's going to react like it's being provoked. Because it is. 

I totally understand your point. A vicious dog should not be around children OR be adopted.

However, I don't believe that the dog was inappropriately aggressive. The kid provoked it, scared it, hit it. Kim & Kroy's younger children (maybe not Kaia) are not well behaved. 

We've seen Kash threaten to hit or smack Brielle (or maybe it was arianna?) when the parents were on a trip to Florida for Kim's plastic surgery. Kash is a spoiled brat. 

I think that was KJ who threatened to hit Arianna. Kash has always seemed very sweet. Also, even if Kash did something to "provoke" the dog, it doesn't mean he's a brat, like was said in another post. He's 4 years old, and was most likely just playing around with him. I also don't remember ever seeing Kane or Kaia misbehave, or do anything that isn't normal 2 year old behavior. Kane barely seems to be shown. 

Now, KJ is a whole other story, although he was sweet with Kash last night.

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rideashire

rideashire

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3 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

If you poke a bear with a stick, it's going to react like it's being provoked. Because it is. 

I totally understand your point. A vicious dog should not be around children OR be adopted.

However, I don't believe that the dog was inappropriately aggressive. The kid provoked it, scared it, hit it. Kim & Kroy's younger children (maybe not Kaia) are not well behaved. 

We've seen Kash threaten to hit or smack Brielle (or maybe it was arianna?) when the parents were on a trip to Florida for Kim's plastic surgery. Kash is a spoiled brat. 

The thing is, the dog has the choice of leaving the situation or using his teeth to show his stress. Now they know exactly how this dog will react when he reaches a certain level of stress.

Not every dog will chose to bite a person in the face even when provoked. But this dog will. That reaction isn't something that will change. It'll always be there. Regardless of training or management the dog is proven he's willing to bite to get his point across and now it's the owner's job to decide how to deal with that to keep everyone safe.

And it's been proven these people are careless and unable to properly control their children or the situation and they make poor decisions.

Would rehoming be possible? Sure. If you can find a bleeding heart willing to take a dog that has already bitten a child in the eye. And those are NOT the people that should have a dog like that anyway.

Most trainers won't want to keep him. They know better and have plenty other perfectly nice dogs to chose from that have not bitten children in the face.

Families with kids are out of the question.

People with enough dog experience to manage the situation will probably also refuse for the same reason a good trainer will refuse. They know better.

There are very few options for this dog.

 

Regarding the person who said why have a trainer 3 times a week, well why not? This family doesn't have the time to spend training and exercising their dog every day. They simply won't be bothered, so it makes sense they'd pay someone to keep up with it. Training is a lifelong task, you can't just train a dog for a month and then it's finished.

I can see them sending the dog off for a few days a week to get refreshers and exercise and then they attempt to maintain it while he's home again. I would shudder to think how poorly behave that dog would be WITHOUT weekly training because you know kim and kroy and the kids are undoing everything the moment the trainer brings him home.

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walnutqueen

walnutqueen

1 hour ago, rideashire said:

Would rehoming be possible? Sure. If you can find a bleeding heart willing to take a dog that has already bitten a child in the eye. And those are NOT the people that should have a dog like that anyway.

Most trainers won't want to keep him. They know better and have plenty other perfectly nice dogs to chose from that have not bitten children in the face.

Seriously?  There are bleeding hearts who also have open eyes and the experience necessary to deal with these issues.  They are EXACTLY the people who should have a dog like that.  This dog's trainers seemed more than willing to keep him, and to keep working with him (insert face lick here).

To suggest that only perfectly nice dogs are worth saving goes against my grain.  I've seen too many transformations to find that stance acceptable. 

All dogs' lives matter.   ;-)

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rideashire

rideashire

1 hour ago, walnutqueen said:

Seriously?  There are bleeding hearts who also have open eyes and the experience necessary to deal with these issues.  They are EXACTLY the people who should have a dog like that.  This dog's trainers seemed more than willing to keep him, and to keep working with him (insert face lick here).

To suggest that only perfectly nice dogs are worth saving goes against my grain.  I've seen too many transformations to find that stance acceptable. 

All dogs' lives matter.   ;-)

No, all dog's lives do not matter. That's dangerous thinking and it's what gets people hurt.

Blame Kroy and the kid all you want, because they made a LOT of mistakes I will agree on that, but If a dog biting a child in the eyeball is not enough for you to say "nope not this one" then nothing will be, I guess. We are entitled to our own opinions on this but I will never think a dog who does that should be saved.

No one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes. Putting a dog with a proven bite history (to the face no less) in another home is asking for trouble and tempting fate.

Regarding the trainer, I'm sure he would keep him and continue working with him if he was being paid to do it. Of course. For free? Just because he loves the dog? LOL, come on. No way. Dogs like that are a dime a dozen for a trainer and I can say with pretty confident certainty that they have zero desire to OWN Sin themselves.

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walnutqueen

walnutqueen

4 minutes ago, rideashire said:

No, all dog's lives do not matter. That's dangerous thinking and it's what gets people hurt.

I can say with "pretty confidant certainty" my thinking is not so dangerous.  ;-)

Plenty of people work with problem animals, and kids, and others "for free" - and sometimes even succeed.  It's worth a try.

Opinions are a dime a dozen, too.  

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rideashire

rideashire

Just now, walnutqueen said:

I can say with "pretty confidant certainty" my thinking is not so dangerous.  ;-)

Plenty of people work with problem animals, and kids, and others "for free" - and sometimes even succeed.  It's worth a try.

Opinions are a dime a dozen, too.  

I can see this hits a nerve for you. My dime a dozen opinion is just as useful as yours in this discussion, which means neither one of us are going to influence Kim and Kroy's choice on this dog.

Also, this has nothing to do with problem kids. Kids and dogs are not equal.

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walnutqueen

walnutqueen

5 minutes ago, rideashire said:

Also, this has nothing to do with problem kids. Kids and dogs are not equal.

Once again, your opinion differs from mine, and that's OK.  I happen to think this has a lot to do with problem kids, problem "adults" and problem behavior - from humans AND animals.  I'm just more willing to give the benefit of the doubt towards the animals, who have no say in this shit show, rather than the humans who do have a say, and do less than nothing to control the chaos with their children and with their animals. The kids suffer the consequences as much as the animals - except the kids can mouth off (and DO) to their "parents".

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rideashire

rideashire

This reminds me of the news story I saw a while ago about the dog that killed someone's baby and people were still trying to be champions for that dog saying it wasn't his fault and he should be saved.

Once you're convinced dogs are equal to people and there's no dog that can't be saved then there's no reasoning with you and no line a dog can cross that will convince you otherwise.

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walnutqueen

walnutqueen

30 minutes ago, Maharincess said:

@walnutqueen, you can't see me but I just stood up and applauded you! I agree with every word you've said on the matter. 

And yes, all dogs lives matter. 

I may not be able to "see" you, either,  @Maharincess, but I feel you; always have, always will.  We love animals AND children.  This much I know to be true.  So do you.  (Plus, I am envious of your ability to stand up and applaud - I'm so effin old & creaky it would take me forever to remove the sleeping kitty and crawl out of my recliner - then i'd probably forget what the fuck I was applauding in the first place!!!).  :-D

And contrary to someone's opinion, I DO think there are dogs AND HUMANS that are damaged beyond repair, or are just "born bad".  I don't think this particular dog in this particular circumstance rises to the level of unsalvageability (if that's even a word!!!).  

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LibertarianSlut

LibertarianSlut

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I'm not so sure no one would take Sin. Even though Kroy isn't close with his parents anymore, he's got to have some ties to people in Montana, people who live a rural life, where the dog will be around farm animals and possibly a few mature adults. Sin is a very good looking dog. I guess I'm adding another contour here--dogs' looks matter (whether that's right or not).

Im just sorry this storyline is going into next week. It's depressing. And what the hell is Brielle doing meeting with the weird, sweaty, tie-wearing trainer? What sense or perspective could she possibly add to this discussion? It has nothing to do with social media or collagen injected to the face.

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bichonblitz

bichonblitz

On 11/11/2017 at 8:15 AM, Caseysgirl said:

I agree with the idea of re-homing the dog.

I'm sure the dog would be a heck of a lot happier to be re-homed, too. I don't think the Bierman's should have any pets in that freak show of a house. 

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Juliegirlj

Juliegirlj

There is ample footage of the Bierrman kids tormenting the animals in that house. The blame lies solely with Kim and Kroy. Dogs and children absolutely mix in a home, but children need to be taught responsibility and respect for animals. Animals need to be kept under control, humanely confined when necessary, and properly trained. All Kim and Kroy's responsibility. Accidents do happen, and that is a calculated risk one takes with animal ownership. 

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StevieRocks

StevieRocks

Don't Wig the Pig and her ape of a husband have 1000 cameras mounted everywhere in and around their hellhole? Interesting that the dogbite is the ONLY footage they choose not to share. Yet they are quick to splash their son all over social media and use his injury as a story line. Lord. I know not everyone agrees with euthanasia, but my first thought was that Kim (Wig the Pig) should DEFINITELY be put down. But I've thought this for many years. 

In conclusion, @walnutqueen  <3 <3 <3

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walnutqueen

walnutqueen

31 minutes ago, StevieRocks said:

Don't Wig the Pig and her ape of a husband have 1000 cameras mounted everywhere in and around their hellhole? Interesting that the dogbite is the ONLY footage they choose not to share. Yet they are quick to splash their son all over social media and use his injury as a story line. Lord. I know not everyone agrees with euthanasia, but my first thought was that Kim (Wig the Pig) should DEFINITELY be put down. But I've thought this for many years. 

In conclusion, @walnutqueen  <3 <3 <3

You rock, Stevie.  

I'm so dense that my math mind (NOT meth mind!) was trying to figure out what "less-than-three" 3 x meant.  Then I realized those were hearts, and I had to slap myself on the damned head.   ;-)

I believe in compassionate euthanasia, especially in the case of extreme suffering.  Now you've got me pondering if that should include people who make the rest of us suffer extremely ...

For now, I'll take a slightly less militant stance & say that Kim probably should've been SPAYED years ago.   :-D

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StevieRocks

StevieRocks

59 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

You rock, Stevie.  

I'm so dense that my math mind (NOT meth mind!) was trying to figure out what "less-than-three" 3 x meant.  Then I realized those were hearts, and I had to slap myself on the damned head.   ;-)

I believe in compassionate euthanasia, especially in the case of extreme suffering.  Now you've got me pondering if that should include people who make the rest of us suffer extremely ...

For now, I'll take a slightly less militant stance & say that Kim probably should've been SPAYED years ago.   :-D

Bwah!

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farmgal4

farmgal4

On November 12, 2017 at 10:56 AM, chenoa333 said:

Dang. I know the kids eye is swollen, but that is the one Biermann offspring that got dealt the bad hand in the looks department. 

I agree.  Maybe he'll grow out of it. 

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farmgal4

farmgal4

On November 12, 2017 at 11:41 AM, StevieRocks said:

Don't Wig the Pig and her ape of a husband have 1000 cameras mounted everywhere in and around their hellhole? Interesting that the dogbite is the ONLY footage they choose not to share. Yet they are quick to splash their son all over social media and use his injury as a story line. Lord. I know not everyone agrees with euthanasia, but my first thought was that Kim (Wig the Pig) should DEFINITELY be put down. But I've thought this for many years. 

In conclusion, @walnutqueen  <3 <3 <3

I would bet big money that the kid did something to that dog to provoke the dog to bite, and I'm sure Dumb and Dumber know it too; otherwise, I don't think they would be allowed to keep the dog in their home.

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iwasish

iwasish

Just the way the kids tore out of the garage on those trikes, coming close to Kash, shows that they have no regard for safety. Even after their father told them to be careful, they deliberately drove even closer to him.

i don’t know what the circumstances with the dog bite were, but considering the chaos that usually goes on in that house, I can see a scenario that could incite a bite either provoked by the child and the situation  ( over stimulation) or a collision, stepping on, tripping over etc between child and dog in that same chaotic environment. 

Once the bite happened though I would never feel able to 100% trust the dog again and while it would break my heart, I would tryvto rehome him ( with full disclosure)in a situation where he would have no access  to children.  The very very last resort would be putting him down. 

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