Current Squad 2017-2018: Media, Music, Videos & Show Group

[Jazzhands]

1 hour ago, tajalexander said:

 

I love her. ?

So apparently Grey Suede is the clothing shop owned by former Bachelor contestant Raven Gates, and the website shows a bunch of DCCs modeling the outfits.  

Is there someplace where all of these reality-TV people meet up? 

[UnicornKicks]

38 minutes ago, Jazzhands said:

So apparently Grey Suede is the clothing shop owned by former Bachelor contestant Raven Gates, and the website shows a bunch of DCCs modeling the outfits.  

Is there someplace where all of these reality-TV people meet up? 

Yes. It's called Dallas, Tx. (Seriously)

[lfedncr]

FYI not sure where this should go ...but much speculation last year (when Cowboys has serious potential ) regarding number of DCC that would go to Super Bowl .  Well just counted and eagles cheerleaders appear to have the golden “36”. 

[5678Pixie]

Kalyssa must really not know anything about football.  On her instagram story she called it "SuperBowl tip off".  Tip off??????  Guess she doesn't know the difference between football and basketball.  

[scorpio1031]

2 hours ago, 5678Pixie said:

Kalyssa must really not know anything about football.  On her instagram story she called it "SuperBowl tip off".  Tip off??????  Guess she doesn't know the difference between football and basketball.  

Watch  - that will now be a question on this year's test at tryouts:)

[NMDD43]

17 hours ago, scorpio1031 said:

19 hours ago, 5678Pixie said:

Kalyssa must really not know anything about football.  On her instagram story she called it "SuperBowl tip off".  Tip off??????  Guess she doesn't know the difference between football and basketball.  

Watch  - that will now be a question on this year's test at tryouts:)

 

Sure, Kalyssa..... LOL

 

 

[bigskygirl]

An insider has informed me Kalyssa has left the squad for modeling because being a DCC has gotten in the way of her model career. They are dropping like flies. Going to be interesting at  finals  with the vets. Three months until tryouts start. I can only imagine what Kelli and Judy are thinking.

Edited February 5, 2018 by bigskygirl

[California Girl]

1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

An insider has informed me Kalyssa has left the squad for modeling because being a DCC has gotten in the way of her model career. They are dropping like flies. Going to be interesting at  finals  with the vets. Three months until tryouts start. I can only imagine what Kelli and Judy are thinking.

Thank you for that inside information @bigskygirl.  It's too bad, she is such a pretty girl and was good with the DCC style.  I would like to get the story on how she fit in with the other DCC one day.  I did get the feeling that she was not part of the in-group of DCC rookies.  I wonder if she still thinks of herself as the nerdy girl (isn't Kalyssa the one who was her high school valedictorian?), who can't break in with the popular clique.  Or perhaps she is an introvert, which can come across as standoffish.  So that is four open spots Alexandria, Jenna, Kalyssa, and Milan.  Is anyone else dropping? 

[Sindyresident]

1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

An insider has informed me Kalyssa has left the squad for modeling because being a DCC has gotten in the way of her model career. They are dropping like flies. Going to be interesting at  finals  with the vets. Three months until tryouts start. I can only imagine what Kelli and Judy are thinking.

Say what you will about the Minchews, but at least they had the decency to quit before the team was announced.

[bigskygirl]

My insider also told me not to be surprised if Kalyssa ends up on The Bachelor. I do not watch the show myself because I cannot watch it without gagging. I guess Melissa the Mentor's so-called success from being on the show has rubbed off on a few of the girls. I am waiting to see if Holly, Vivian or Jenna end up on the show.

The one Minchew sister who was called out by Kelli for being plastic or fake probably went on the show because she wanted her five minutes of fame and to boast her acting career. The other sister probably really wanted to be a DCC, but she pissed off Judy too much. I am surprised Judy got her way because I think Kelli and/or Charlotte wanted the one sister in TC in Season 5.

[PrincessLeia]

It’s really interesting how this group of girls doesn’t seem to buy into DCC as their entire world and reason for breathing like so many of the girls from mid 2000s

I can completely see Kalyssa on The Bachelor

Edited February 6, 2018 by PrincessLeia

[Jazzhands]

42 minutes ago, PrincessLeia said:

It’s really interesting how this group of girls doesn’t seem to buy into DCC as their entire world and reason for breathing like so many of the girls from mid 2000s

I can completely see Kalyssa on The Bachelor

She looks exactly like all of the other fungible contestants on The Bachelor with her hair extensions, fake tan, fake nails, and fake lashes, so I’m sure she’ll try to get on that show when she’s old enough.  

[NMDD43]

53 minutes ago, PrincessLeia said:

It’s really interesting how this group of girls doesn’t seem to buy into DCC as their entire world and reason for breathing like so many of the girls from mid 2000s

 

It is interesting. They just aren't as committed or invested as they used to be. I wonder how K&J will handle it going forward. They can't make the girls fullfill their contracts to stay a whole year (assuming the contract even has that terminology in it) but they also can't have these girls make the team and then unexpectedly bail. They're in a tough spot. 

[EricaShadows]

Why does it irk me that these girls seem to find it so easy to quit their obligations seemingly without a qualm?  I get family, school, or full-time work-related things (or having to move for a job or school), but modeling? Pagaents? Similar things/ Those seem superficial to me and easy enough to work around the DCC-related stuff until the end of the contract.  I guess it feels like some of the girls are just using the DCC for their own reasons and not treating it seriously. 

I also wonder if Kelli and Judy REALLY regret not keeping Raylee, Allie, and Heather as well as taking on Brennan, Taryn and the like.  To have at least three or more girls quit during a season and to have to release at least one (possibly two) vets on top of it makes me REALLY wonder what's going on in DCC-land.  Well, we know essentially what happened with Holly and Erica, but the rest? 

Edited February 6, 2018 by EricaShadows

[Acromantula]

Maybe they will start paying them more? So this part-time cheering gig becomes a bit more sustainable? 

[bigskygirl]

I do not think paying them more would help especially in the case of Kalyssa, Milan, and Alexandria. I also do not think Brennan and Taryn would have solve the problem either because in my opinion, they are not DCC to me. I think a part of it may have to do with Melissa R. because the organization keeps saying hey look at her she made it big outside of DCC, and we use her as an example of great former DCC. Look at former DCC Kat who has said she use the show as a stepping stone for her acting career. Maybe something is going on behind the scenes causing girls to want to leave it all behind. Going to be interesting to see who decides to retire or try out again. I think there will be more vet cuts at finals especially with the rookies class and two year vets having a weaker class of girls.

Edited February 6, 2018 by bigskygirl

[Jazzhands]

So I’m watching The Bachelor and reading this forum, and a commercial was just on for the Bachelor Winter Games featuring the former Miami Dolphins Cheerleader Bibiana.  It made me think that maybe part of the reason that they’re having problems with getting girls to commit to DCC once they’ve made the team is that the combination of exposure these girls get from DCC:MTT coupled with the ability to monetize social media is drawing in a big percentage of girls who view DCC as a quick stop on the fame train to boost their profiles to go on to more lucrative things. If someone like Kalyssa can boost her Instagram followers she’ll get more sponsors (and get paid more per sponsored posts), and maybe she can get more modeling work or better yet get cast on a prime-time, major network show like the Bachelor with an eye toward becoming The Bachelorette, going on DTWS, etc.  Lots more money to be made there, if she can make it happen, than the pittance she’s getting as a DCC.  I think DCC:MTT may be a double-edged sword for the organization in the age of social media to the extent that it may keep some talented dancers from auditioning who don’t want to be on a reality show, while at the same time it’s drawing talented girls who want to use the show to raise their profiles but aren’t really dedicated to the organization. 

[scorpio1031]

1 hour ago, EricaShadows said:

Why does it irk me that these girls seem to find it so easy to quit their obligations seemingly without a qualm?  I get family, school, or full-time work-related things (or having to move for a job or school), but modeling? Pagaents? Similar things/ Those seem superficial to me and easy enough to work around the DCC-related stuff until the end of the contract.  I guess it feels like some of the girls are just using the DCC for their own reasons and not treating it seriously. 

I also wonder if Kelli and Judy REALLY regret not keeping Raylee, Allie, and Heather as well as taking on Brennan, Taryn and the like.  To have at least three or more girls quit during a season and to have to release at least one (possibly two) vets on top of it makes me REALLY wonder what's going on in DCC-land.  Well, we know essentially what happened with Holly and Erica, but the rest? 

It bugs me cause these girls made a commitment for a whole year and then bailed.  Did Alexandria really have a sick relative or was that just an excuse?   Was it true she just wanted to see if she could make it and then bail at the first chance she got?  Milan - did she try out knowing there was a chance she was going overseas?  Kalyssa - no excuse.  Don't burn your bridges.  

But then again, there is a whole generation with those who think that the world revolves around them.  There are no punishments, no accountability, etc.  Makes it hard for the ones who work their tails off.

[ByTor]

11 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

An insider has informed me Kalyssa has left the squad for modeling because being a DCC has gotten in the way of her model career.

I thought I remembered this being posted last week (below)...so it looks like we have some specifics now.  The modeling thing makes perfect sense.

On 2/1/2018 at 12:37 AM, dccfan321 said:

Anyone else hearing that Kalyssa is no longer on the team or maybe suspended due to oversleeping the cheer competition appearance? I trust my source, but just wondering if anyone else has additional details. 

Edited February 6, 2018 by ByTor

[ByTor]

8 hours ago, Jazzhands said:

She looks exactly like all of the other fungible contestants on The Bachelor with her hair extensions, fake tan, fake nails, and fake lashes, so I’m sure she’ll try to get on that show when she’s old enough.  

I wondered what you meant by old enough, but then I realized duh, they have to be at least 21 because TPTB need to make sure these contestants get as drunk as possible to make maximum fools of themselves.  She's been photographed with former Bachelorette contestant Robbie (JoJo's season, I think...she is also from Dallas), so I'll be shocked if she doesn't end up on The Bachelor at some point.

[njcate]

8 hours ago, scorpio1031 said:

It bugs me cause these girls made a commitment for a whole year and then bailed.  Did Alexandria really have a sick relative or was that just an excuse?   Was it true she just wanted to see if she could make it and then bail at the first chance she got?  Milan - did she try out knowing there was a chance she was going overseas?  Kalyssa - no excuse.  Don't burn your bridges.  

But then again, there is a whole generation with those who think that the world revolves around them.  There are no punishments, no accountability, etc.  Makes it hard for the ones who work their tails off.

+1 : 

call me old school but being a DCC is a job/commitment and I find  quitting before the end of your contract very unprofessional.  If you can't fulfill a year then don't try out.  where is the integrity?

[Jess14]

Something definitely seems rotten in DCC land. You can certainly boil it all down to a lack of commitment or entitlement on the part of the girls (which is Im sure true), but after this many issues in the span of less than a year.....something isn’t right. There seems to be a bigger problem internally.

[tajalexander]

11 hours ago, scorpio1031 said:

It bugs me cause these girls made a commitment for a whole year and then bailed. 

Kalyssa - no excuse.  Don't burn your bridges.  

Isn’t Kalyssa like....5’3? ANTM always taught me you have to be taller to really break in the industry lol Unless she just wants to be on like... the Macy’s website. 

[nittanyvolleyball]

8 minutes ago, tajalexander said:

Isn’t Kalyssa like....5’3? ANTM always taught me you have to be taller to really break in the industry lol Unless she just wants to be on like... the Macy’s website. 

She hashtagged something about Petite Modeling before

[EricaShadows]

ANTM did have their "petite" season. . . excuse me, cycle in Cycle 13. and one of the contestants on that cycle was around 5'3".   Kalyssa can do beauty, hand modeling (and any other iterations), swimsuits, etc. but if she's going for haute couture or runway, she's likely going to get laughed out of the room because those girls are usually a good five inches taller and as thin or thinner than Kalyssa is.  Then again, I'm going off what little I know of fashion and the internet.  I couldn't find a standard for haute couture models, just the designers.

As fir the girls this year dropping like flies after Training Camp, we only know for sure about Holly and likely Erica.  The rest really haven't said a word and what they have said, people aren't exactly buying it, Milan being the only exception (school).  At the very least, their timing is horrendous, including Milan's.

[ByTor]

2 hours ago, Jess14 said:

There seems to be a bigger problem internally.

Could it be that Kelli and Charlotte aren't the great judges of character they think they are?  That maybe they should listen to Judy more often?  Nah, that can't be it ;-)

[Jess14]

1 minute ago, ByTor said:

Could it be that Kelli and Charlotte aren't the great judges of character they think they are?  That maybe they should listen to Judy more often?  Nah, that can't be it ;-)

Completely agreed. I think Kelli takes things far too personally and makes arbitrary decisions. I have to imagine that when you cut vets like Heather and Raylee, while bringing in Brianna who can’t kick to save her life just bc Kelli is infatuated with her, that says something to the rest of the team. Judy at least seems to be far more objective.

I should note that my impression of Judy is based solely on the show. Based on what I’ve read here about Olivia not making it back because of a spat she had with Cassie, then I may be giving Judy far too much credit. She may be worse than Kelli and Charlotte for all I know. 

[ByTor]

39 minutes ago, Jess14 said:

I have to imagine that when you cut vets like Heather and Raylee, while bringing in Brianna who can’t kick to save her life just bc Kelli is infatuated with her, that says something to the rest of the team

That's right...and I've never heard Judy say "but she's so pretty..."  But as you said, this is based solely on what is shown, so maybe Judy says this all the time but it gets edited out.

[LadyMsJay]

14 hours ago, NMDD43 said:

It is interesting. They just aren't as committed or invested as they used to be. I wonder how K&J will handle it going forward. They can't make the girls fullfill their contracts to stay a whole year (assuming the contract even has that terminology in it) but they also can't have these girls make the team and then unexpectedly bail. They're in a tough spot. 

They can have more harsh consequences for not fulfilling ones contract.

14 hours ago, Acromantula said:

Maybe they will start paying them more? So this part-time cheering gig becomes a bit more sustainable? 

I don't think a part time cheerleader should expect to have "sustainable" income. It's just a small gig. I definitely don't think money will be the "end all be all."

4 hours ago, njcate said:

+1 : 

call me old school but being a DCC is a job/commitment and I find  quitting before the end of your contract very unprofessional.  If you can't fulfill a year then don't try out.  where is the integrity?

I think in many cases the girls believe that they will be able to fulfill their contracts, but just for some reason can't.

[bigskygirl]

I admit I was disappointed when it came out about Cassie and Olivia, and Judy saying Olivia was toxic leading to Olivia being cut at finals, but I still think Judy has better judgment when it comes to the girls going into TC or make the team. It drives me crazy when Kelli and/or Charlotte wants a girl to go into TC or make the team because she reminds them of an actress or movie star, they have a different look, or because they like the girl so much. Sorry for sounding like a broken record, but I think the quality of the team has went down the last few years, and there are very few standouts in the two year vets and rookies this year. I would love to be a fly on the wall to know what is going on beyond the scenes right now.

[MrsEVH]

9 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I admit I was disappointed when it came out about Cassie and Olivia, and Judy saying Olivia was toxic leading to Olivia being cut at finals, but I still think Judy has better judgment when it comes to the girls going into TC or make the team. It drives me crazy when Kelli and/or Charlotte wants a girl to go into TC or make the team because she reminds them of an actress or movie star, they have a different look, or because they like the girl so much. Sorry for sounding like a broken record, but I think the quality of the team has went down the last few years, and there are very few standouts in the two year vets and rookies this year. I would love to be a fly on the wall to know what is going on beyond the scenes right now.

How was Olivia toxic?

[bigskygirl]

According to inside information, Olivia got into it with Cassie on the swimsuit calendar shoot because the rookies were getting more than three times at having pictures taken. Cassie was not happy about the rookies getting more chances of having more pictures taken, and Olivia jumped in to defend the rookies. I guess Judy may not have like Cassie being called out by a rookie and told the judges at finals Olivia was being toxic leading her to being cut and no mention of her being cut being shown the show. I like Olivia and thought she had potential. And yes this does sound petty, but I am glad someone stood up to Cassie because it drove me nuts on how they focus on Cassie being Judy's daughter in her first and last year. I can understand Judy and Cassie being close, but this is a work environment. There is a time and place to spend time together and not remind the rest of us of their relationship. I also think CMT did not need to focus on it either. I also think Cassie was not the first or last mean girl on the team, and I am sure there were other girls who would love to rat out others to get their own way while being on the squad or to save themselves from being cut.

[LMarchBand]

2 hours ago, ByTor said:

Could it be that Kelli and Charlotte aren't the great judges of character they think they are?  That maybe they should listen to Judy more often?  Nah, that can't be it ;-)

This.

I also think Kelli and Judy are far too concerned with how the squad looks physically than perhaps the character of the girl wearing the stars and boots.  I also think that Kelli and Judy are perhaps living vicariously through these girls.  The way that these girl's lives are planned down to the last minute detail is ridiculous.  It's NFL cheerleading for crying out loud not astrophysics.  I bet a bunch of them just get tired of living that way.  Rehearsal every night, sometimes to 2 am, having to get up for work (if they work), work all day, rehearse all night, game days starting at 6 am for a noon kickoff - IMO, it's too much. 

16 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I do not think paying them more would help especially in the case of Kalyssa, Milan, and Alexandria. I also do not think Brennan and Taryn would have solve the problem either because in my opinion, they are not DCC to me.

Actually, I think having Brennan or Taryn on the squad in place of someone like Kalyssa would solve the problem.  Instead of taking the one that looks great physically but has a dodgy internet history (I'm sorry but when one's Instagram is nothing but selfies and shelling for clothing companies - that's a red flag) take the two that have been busting their asses everyday trying to make the team.  Take the two girls who clearly want to be a DCC because this is their second or third or fourth time auditioning (Christina, hello).  You take the two that are bleeding blue and silver.  Just because Brennan and Taryn may not say DCC to you, does not mean that they don't say DCC to someone else.  I guarantee you, Brennan and Taryn would be fulfilling their DCC obligations fully intent on re-auditioning and would not leave the squad high and dry like Kalyssa.

[Jazzhands]

1 hour ago, LadyMsJay said:

They can have more harsh consequences for not fulfilling ones contract.

I don't think a part time cheerleader should expect to have "sustainable" income. It's just a small gig. I definitely don't think money will be the "end all be all."

I think in many cases the girls believe that they will be able to fulfill their contracts, but just for some reason can't.

The team is pretty limited on consequences for breaking the contract.  Specific performance of personal services contracts violates constitutional prohibitions on involuntary servitude, so you can’t make them stay on the team or perform/make appearances against their will. The team can’t sue for damages because they doesn’t actually suffer any monetary damages when a girl quits — they can either reblock the performance or use an All-Star, the same as if a teammate is injured or ill.  For the same reason (lack of actual money damages), a liquidated damages provision, under which a girl would be required to pay a fee for breaking the contract, would likely be viewed as an unenforceable penalty as well as a public relations nightmare.

Legally, about all the team can do is include a non-compete clause that if a cheerleader quits, she’s prohibited from cheering for another team during the term of her contract, but as a practical matter, that doesn’t happen anyway.  

There is a lot of turnover when employees have part-time, low-wage jobs.  Pro cheerleading is more glamorous than slinging hamburgers, so you’ll certainly get a lot of girls who are willing to put up with the long hours, low pay, and strict rules for the perceived benefits.  But you’ll also get girls who quit due to demands of school, work, or family obligations, as well as those like Kalyssa (assuming that what is being said about her on this board is accurate) who quit because of the opportunity costs of fulfilling their contracts. 

[bigskygirl]

Brennan and Tayrn may try out more than once to make the team, but I bet if they do make the team it would be by the skin of their teeth. In otherwords, one and done girls. And if I was the only one who thought they were not DCC quality then they would have made the team by now.

I do not think Judy gets hang up on looks. She looks more at the dancing skills or the potential of each girl. Kelli and Charlotte are the ones who get excited over certain girls aka Meagan F. and Rachel Buckmaster looking like Julia Roberts and Laura Dern even with their lack of dancing skills, Paula T. because she had a different look but could not dance worth a darn, Courtney Cook because she is cute, but she was a blender and did not have the DCC dancing skills down, the one girl from last season who was 18 who was brought into TC, but her kicks and dance skills were bad, etc. etc. And of course the girls aka who cares if she cannot dance but she is pretty aka two year vet Kelsey.

[Jazzhands]

2 minutes ago, LMarchBand said:

This.

I also think Kelli and Judy are far too concerned with how the squad looks physically than perhaps the character of the girl wearing the stars and boots.  I also think that Kelli and Judy are perhaps living vicariously through these girls.  The way that these girl's lives are planned down to the last minute detail is ridiculous.  It's NFL cheerleading for crying out loud not astrophysics.  I bet a bunch of them just get tired of living that way.  Rehearsal every night, sometimes to 2 am, having to get up for work (if they work), work all day, rehearse all night, game days starting at 6 am for a noon kickoff - IMO, it's too much. 

Actually, I think having Brennan or Taryn on the squad in place of someone like Kalyssa would solve the problem.  Instead of taking the one that looks great physically but has a dodgy internet history (I'm sorry but when one's Instagram is nothing but selfies and shelling for clothing companies - that's a red flag) take the two that have been busting their asses everyday trying to make the team.  Take the two girls who clearly want to be a DCC because this is their second or third or fourth time auditioning (Christina, hello).  You take the two that are bleeding blue and silver.  Just because Brennan and Taryn may not say DCC to you, does not mean that they don't say DCC to someone else.  I guarantee you, Brennan and Taryn would be fulfilling their DCC obligations fully intent on re-auditioning and would not leave the squad high and dry like Kalyssa.

I agree with you.  If you want a team full of standouts like Holly, Erica, Kalyssa, etc., you’re going to have problems with breaking rules, quitting, etc.  If you want a team of girls who will be dedicated, you need more Christinas, Brennans, Taryns, Auto Amys.  It’s going to be very difficult to find 36 girls like Lacey and KaShara, who have the DCC look and style and are willing to play by the rules and stick around for years.  The girls today have so many more money-making opportunities today than even 10 years ago.  And like someone else said earlier (sorry, I can’t remember who it was to give credit), when DCC/CMT holds out Melissa Rycroft as aspirational, this is what you end up with.  She quit the team but is back as a mentor because she got famous on other reality TV shows; she’s not shunned, she’s lauded.  

[LMarchBand]

28 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Brennan and Tayrn may try out more than once to make the team, but I bet if they do make the team it would be by the skin of their teeth. In otherwords, one and done girls. And if I was the only one who thought they were not DCC quality then they would have made the team by now.

Well, you know who else made the squad by the skin of their teeth?

1. Jordan Chanley 

2. Sydney Durso 

3. Brooke Sorenson (weight)

4. Kandi Harris (weight)

5. Meagan McVay

6. Christina  

7. Joanna Liad

8. Kelsey Lowrance

I am sure there are more but those are ones I knew right off the top of my head.  I would go on to say that all these girls went on to flourish their first year on the team and markedly improved, thus their many years on the team. There is no way of knowing how Brennan and Taryn would develop over the course of a year.  The same argument could be made about Madeline and soon she will be a third year vet.  The same could have been said about Kelli Quinn who auditioned 4 times before making the team and becoming Show Group member.  Writing off a girl for not having the "right look" by some arbitrary standard is nothing more than cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Edited February 6, 2018 by LMarchBand
ByTor pointed out my error.

[ByTor]

15 minutes ago, Jazzhands said:

If you want a team of girls who will be dedicated, you need more Christinas, Brennans, Taryns, Auto Amys.

Exactly.  Even if they are one and done, so what?  That just gives others the chance for the next year.  They always blather about how the DCC are more than dancers and pretty faces, they need women of character.  OK, you talked the talk, now walk the walk!

31 minutes ago, LMarchBand said:

game days starting at 6 am for a noon kickoff

I couldn't believe it when I saw that on one of the shows.  I know they like to get a field rehearsal in early, but this really seems like overkill. 

5 minutes ago, LMarchBand said:

The same could have been said about Kelli Quinn who auditioned 4 times before making the team and becoming Show Group member. 

I do agree with your post, and am not trying to nitpick, but I don't think Kelli made it by the skin of her teeth, I believe she became a show group member her rookie year.  I don't even think she made TC by the skin of her teeth, if I remember correctly I think Kelli F give her a  "hell yeah!" and "why did we never notice you before?" at finals

[LMarchBand]

7 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Exactly.  Even if they are one and done, so what?  That just gives others the chance for the next year.  They always blather about how the DCC are more than dancers and pretty faces, they need women of character.  OK, you talked the talk, now walk the walk!

I couldn't believe it when I saw that on one of the shows.  I know they like to get a field rehearsal in early, but this really seems like overkill. 

I do agree with your post, and am not trying to nitpick, but I don't think Kelli made it by the skin of her teeth, I believe she became a show group member her rookie year.  I don't even think she made TC by the skin of her teeth, if I remember correctly I think Kelli F give her a  "hell yeah!" and "why did we never notice you before?" at finals

No, you're absolutely right.  I was just amped up when I was posting.  I should have just left her at the bottom where I explained her bit further.

I could add Christina to the list though.  I haven't seen any of her dancing recently though, to say if she has improved.

[bigskygirl]

Taryn and Brennan were called out for their dancing than their looks. The girls you posted were a lot more talented and had skills beyond what Taryn and Brennan had when they first tried out. Johanna Liad had an injury her first year which cause her kicks to be below par, but she did improve her rookie year. Brooke and Kandi did have weight issues their first year, but they were talented enough to make the squad just on dance skills alone. Brooke came back from a serious knee injury her second year and became a DCC rock star. Jordan C. did struggle her first year, but she came back solid her second year. In the case of Brennan, she has come back more than once, and she has improved a little, but her dancing skills were still not strong enough to make the team. In otherwords, I would not put her in the same league as Brooke, Kandi, Jordan C. or Sydney. Kelli Quinn did not make the team by the skin of her teeth when she finally made TC. In my opinion, she is a much better dancer than Taryn and Brennan in her rookie year.

[nittanyvolleyball]

If it's something you really want and you're taking their notes for improvement every year, I don't see anything wrong with auditioning multiple times. 

[LMarchBand]

3 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Taryn and Brennan were called out for their dancing than their looks. The girls you posted were a lot more talented and had skills beyond what Taryn and Brennan had when they first tried out. Johanna Liad had an injury her first year which cause her kicks to be below par, but she did improve her rookie year. Brooke and Kandi did have weight issues their first year, but they were talented enough to make the squad just on dance skills alone. Brooke came back from a serious knee injury her second year and became a DCC rock star. Jordan C. did struggle her first year, but she came back solid her second year. In the case of Brennan, she has come back more than once, and she has improved a little, but her dancing skills were still not strong enough to make the team. In otherwords, I would not put her in the same league as Brooke, Kandi, Jordan C. or Sydney. Kelli Quinn did not make the team by the skin of her teeth when she finally made TC. In my opinion, she is a much better dancer than Taryn and Brennan in her rookie year.

First of all, the argument you make is that they don't say DCC to you.  Clearly, Brennan and Taryn were among the top 40 something to "say DCC" because they both made it into training camp.  So, how do you define who is more talented and has more skills beyond what someone else has?  Because from what I remember, Brennan killed it at finals.  Killed it.  Kelli even said she killed it.  Kelli also said if Brennan could just get out of her own head she would make the team.  So, I don't understand how you can say Brennan doesn't look like a DCC when the Director of the DCC was on board with Brennan being a DCC.

All of the above aforementioned DCC's, made the team by the skin of their teeth which is what your criteria was.  It doesn't matter if Brooke and Kandi were facing weight issues - they still faced an issue that was hindering them from making the team.  Which again, is what you based your criteria on.  And, yes, these girls (Jordan, Sydney, Megan, Kelsey, Joanna) did have a rock star first year and came back stronger their second year.  Which is exactly my point and my argument.  We have no idea how Brennan and Taryn would have done their first year had they made the team.  They would have been removed from the stress of being a TCC, they would no longer have to live in fear of being cut and would have been able to finally relax and enjoy themselves at practice, which is how many of the girls improve. 

I don't know about you but I have been in a situation where all of the stress, judgement and worry was removed in my particular sport and you know what, just like those skin of their teeth DCC's, I excelled too.

[ByTor]

21 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Jordan C. did struggle her first year, but she came back solid her second year.

And maybe the same would be said about Brennan if she were actually given the opportunity.

4 minutes ago, LMarchBand said:

And, yes, these girls (Jordan, Sydney, Megan, Kelsey, Joanna) did have a rock star first year and came back stronger their second year.  Which is exactly my point and my argument.  We have no idea how Brennan and Taryn would have done their first year had they made the team.  They would have been removed from the stress of being a TCC, they would no longer have to live in fear of being cut and would have been able to finally relax and enjoy themselves at practice, which is how many of the girls improve. 

Yep!

Edited February 6, 2018 by ByTor

[PrincessLeia]

I think Kelli and Charlotte are so focused on what the girls look like, that they let some really great girls, who may have the dedication of old, get away. The giant HD television has really changed the way they pick a team. Kandi and Brooke may not have made the team now. 

 

I think social media has alot to do with it as well..... these girls have more opportunities and get their heads filled with big dreams. 

 

I think the girks should stick it out the full year..... I’ve always thought something stunk about Alexandria leaving. I think her fiancé didn’t like her being so far away and perhaps she didn’t either, so she quit and cake home. Even during the show I never understood how that was going to work. 

[ByTor]

2 minutes ago, PrincessLeia said:

I think social media has alot to do with it as well..... these girls have more opportunities and get their heads filled with big dreams.

Bingo

[bigskygirl]

Never mind everyone! Nothing to see here.

Edited February 6, 2018 by bigskygirl

[Jess14]

1 hour ago, PrincessLeia said:

I think Kelli and Charlotte are so focused on what the girls look like, that they let some really great girls, who may have the dedication of old, get away. The giant HD television has really changed the way they pick a team. Kandi and Brooke may not have made the team now. 

 

I think social media has alot to do with it as well..... these girls have more opportunities and get their heads filled with big dreams. 

 

I think the girks should stick it out the full year..... I’ve always thought something stunk about Alexandria leaving. I think her fiancé didn’t like her being so far away and perhaps she didn’t either, so she quit and cake home. Even during the show I never understood how that was going to work. 

Agreed about Alexandria. The reason for her leaving always seemed suspect to me. Furthermore, she talked about how she and her fiancé and just bought a house so it was weird that she was moving to Dallas. Im not denying that a family member may have been sick, but it just seems like she may have been ready to go home anyway.

[bigskygirl]

I believe it was her fiancé's family member who was sick. She may have left to be with him and his family.

[LMarchBand]

26 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

It was Alexandria's fiancé family member who was sick, so she may have quit to be with him and his family. I see nothing wrong with it. Tayrn was at the bottom of the TC list, so she barely made it into TC. Brooke and Kandi made the team on their dance skills and willing to work on losing the weight. I do remember the both of them being called out by Kelli at least once for their skills. They were both better TC candidates than Tayrn and Brennan their rookie years even with the weight loss issue. A girl can kill it at finals, but it does not mean she is DCC quality. A girl can have a so-so final routine, but she can dance the DCC style if she makes it into TC. A girl can have a stand out finals routine, but she may struggle with the DCC dance style. And just because Kelli said a girl killed it at finals does not mean she is DCC dance ready. Finals is completely different from TC and dancing on the field. Plus the fact if a girl struggles with stress during TC how well she do once she is on the field at a home football game in front of thousands plus fans. Once again, a big difference between practicing in front of Kelli and Judy and actually performing in front of a stadium full of people and other major distractions that were not there during TC. Brennan has come back more than once, and her dancing and skills may not have improve well enough to make the squad. Sorry, but the quality of the squad has went downhill since Season 6. Seasons 1 to 5 had strugglers, but the majority of them came back strong after being cut at TC or came back stronger their second year after their rookie year. The last two years there has been a lot more blenders on the squad and weaker TC Candidates. In my opinion, if anyone should be angry, it should be Heather, Allie, and Raylee because in my opinion, they were a lot more talented than a lot of the rookies and yes, Tayrn and Brennan. I still cannot understand the reasoning of why certain girls made TC or the team over them, or why certain vets still made the team.

I feel like you're seeing this in a very one dimensional way.  Therefore, I think it's best if I move on.

[Jess14]

14 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I believe it was her fiancé's family member who was sick. She may have left to be with him and his family.

Which IMO kind of goes to the point that she was just ready to go home. I don’t know the exact situation, but it is kind of an understanding when you move half across the country - away from your family friends - that you’re not going to be there for certain things, like babies, sicknesses, birthdays, etc. I’m not trying to be callous by any means, and if she thought that she needed to move back to be with her fiancé, that’s certainly her decision. However, i don’t think it’s typical to quit a job and move like that, not because people don’t care about family, but because most people need a job for finances, or they like their job, or they’re in school, etc. i just don’t think she cared that much about DCC, which I’m not faulting her for.