These Spoilers Suck: Bitter Speculation About SPN Spoilers

[gonzosgirrl]

 

33 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

Dabb was handed the keys to the Lamborghini  and he never even bothered to take it for a spin.

He did take it for a spin; unfortunately he drove it right off a cliff.

(Edited to take the first part to BvJ because I just don't know anymore)

Edited January 15, 2020 by gonzosgirrl

[gonzosgirrl]

16 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

I do belief it belies Dabb`s hyperbolic worship of Sam but for a writer, he really can`t string words together to save his life. His interviews are all bad. 

I just don't get that nobody ever calls him out on this kind of thing. I don't even mean the God!Sam nonsense. His interviews either give away the plot, or make no literal sense (as in Chuck being God-like - unless that's another reveal, that Chuck isn't actually God after all), or never come through in the actual episodes. And yet the sycophans (not a typo) and the entertainment reporters all fall down at his feet. I guess it fits with the Orwellian world we're living in these days. The gaslighting (and its effectiveness) is so disheartening.

Edited January 15, 2020 by gonzosgirrl

[Aeryn13]

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I just don't get that nobody ever calls him out on this kind of thing. I don't even mean the God!Sam nonsense. His interviews either give away the plot, or make no literal sense (as in Chuck being God-like - unless that's another reveal, that Chuck isn't actually God after all), or never come through in the actual episodes. And yet the sycophans (not a typo) and the entertainment reports all fall down at his feet. I guess it fits with the Orwellian world we're living in these days. The gaslighting (and its effectiveness) is so disheartening.

I do think his shortcomings have been noticed which is why he is the showrunner on the CW they are not at all catering to. Noone seems particularly interested in keeping him around longterm whereas they are actively pursuing others. They clearly wanted an SPN spin-off, just apparently not from him.

[ILoveReading]

7 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I just don't get that nobody ever calls him out on this kind of thing.

Will respond in the writer thread. 

[Myrelle]

So who else thinks that Dean's main role in tomorrow  night's episode will be to apologize to Castiel?

Oh, and maybe to be God-like Sam's foil if there's any kind of argument or disagreement.

Can't wait. 🙄

Dabb sucks. 🤮

Oh, and let's not forget that this one is a Berens' episode, too.

So probably double the suckage. 🤮🤮

 

Edited January 15, 2020 by Myrelle
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[ILoveReading]

I forgot I even sent this question in, but the long and the short of it is no.  Don't expect Dean's traumas to be discussed. 

This is why I don't believe Dabb would ever describe Dean as God like.

[gonzosgirrl]

3 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I forgot I even sent this question in, but the long and the short of it is no.  Don't expect Dean's traumas to be discussed. 

This is why I don't believe Dabb would ever describe Dean as God like.

Ha, I was just coming to comment on this. What in the actual fuck is any of this supposed to mean? Loose translation: Dean who?

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Question: Dean’s time in Hell has been referenced in a couple of Supernatural episodes, and Dean also seems to be holding on by a thread. Is all this building to something? Any chance we might see Alastair again? —Adder

Ausiello: “I don’t know that we’ll be seeing Alastair again. He was kind of locked away in The Empty,” showrunner Andrew Dabb tells us, before addressing the first part of your question. “Dean’s story and Sam’s story is the story of trauma, and so, going to Hell was an incredibly traumatic thing for Dean. I don’t think it was the most traumatic thing he’s gone through, and that’s saying a lot, when going to Hell is not the most traumatic thing you’ve gone through. But certainly, as the traumas pile up this season, it’s a way to kind of revisit some of those stories and some of those moments.”

(PS, how do you get so many questions answered? I've been asking Ausiello for years and never once got an answer.)

PS2, So Alistair is in the Empty? Since when do demons go to the Empty? and since when did anything like that make a bit of difference in this show? I guess since Alistair is strictly part of Dean's story.... 

 

Edited January 15, 2020 by gonzosgirrl

[ILoveReading]

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

(PS, how do you get so many questions answered? I've been asking Ausiello for years and never once got an answer.)

It seems to be my one talent.  🤣  Unfortunatley, it never seems to be an answer I want to hear.

[Aeryn13]

6 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Ha, I was just coming to comment on this. What in the actual fuck is any of this supposed to mean? Loose translation: Dean who?

(PS, how do you get so many questions answered? I've been asking Ausiello for years and never once got an answer.)

PS2, So Alistair is in the Empty? Since when do demons go to the Empty? and since when did anything like that make a bit of difference in this show? I guess since Alistair is strictly part of Dean's story.... 

 

I think demons who are actually "killed" go to the Empty, Chuck resurrected Lilith from there. In general, that`s why I hope they never touch Yellow Eyes. If they brought him back, it would only be so Sam could kill him now. With Alistair, I think they would just have Sam kill him again. 

So in this regard, I`m okay with neither being brought back for any reason. Lilith was already weird and random. 

Who I want back and connected to Dean right now is Amara.

[gonzosgirrl]

2 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

I think demons who are actually "killed" go to the Empty, Chuck resurrected Lilith from there. In general, that`s why I hope they never touch Yellow Eyes. If they brought him back, it would only be so Sam could kill him now. With Alistair, I think they would just have Sam kill him again. 

So in this regard, I`m okay with neither being brought back for any reason. Lilith was already weird and random. 

Who I want back and connected to Dean right now is Amara.

Maybe so, but even Lilith was a ret-con, IMO. Or a convenient-con anyway. Regardless, that whole thing was one big non-answer. As @Casseiopeia said, Dabb should just stop talking.

[Bobcatkitten]

I had to look it up and Dabb is actually right on the Empty - 

 

Cosmic Entity: Yes. That's right. Nothing. Nothing but Empty. And you are soaking in it. Angels and demons, you all come here when you die.

[gonzosgirrl]

3 hours ago, Bobcatkitten said:

I had to look it up and Dabb is actually right on the Empty - 

 

Cosmic Entity: Yes. That's right. Nothing. Nothing but Empty. And you are soaking in it. Angels and demons, you all come here when you die.

Huh. I really shouldn't trust my memory of the last couple seasons. I blame it on trying to forget most of what I've seen as soon as possible.

My thoughts on why he'd leave Alastair out of the story still stand though.

[juppschmitz]

10 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Who I want back and connected to Dean right now is Amara

That's what I'd love, and what would actually make sense.

However, didn't Jared already blabber something about maybe Amara possesses Sam? *eyeroll*

[ILoveReading]

More of the same.  

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by ILoveReading

[ahrtee]

From the EW article:

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"Rather, it’s about what Dean and Castiel are going through. “They’re not going to resolve the emotional stuff, but it allows them to redefine their friendship a little bit in light of what’s happened especially earlier this season,” Dabb says."

Well, if they want to start building towards Destiel.....

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As for Sam (Jared Padalecki), he’s stuck with Chuck (Rob Benedict). “God knows everything about Sam and Dean,” Dabb reminds fans. “He knows all their past traumas, all their emotional trigger points.” That means Chuck’s time with Sam is very much about, as Dabb puts it, “What can he do to Sam? Chuck is a petty person when it comes to the boys. We’re going to see Sam root through past trauma and also get hints of, in his mind, ‘What is the worst thing that could happen?’”

Oh good.  We get to see Sam relive the Cage and a few other greatest hits.  I just hope this doesn't mean they're bringing back Lucifer <gag> (I can see Dabb thinking what a clever way to bring back Pelligrino).  

And of course Sam is the one with all the major traumas in  his life (or at least, his were The Worst Ever).  

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And yet, when it comes to this season’s big bad, Dabb warns, “We have not even scratched the surface of what it looks like when God throws a temper tantrum.”

Actually, no.  If God throws a *real* temper tantrum, all he has to do is snap his finger and end--well, everything.  Or at least the Winchesters.  Maybe that's the final scene of the show.  It would definitely be final.

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In terms of what else to expect before season’s end, Dabb teases that Adam/Michael’s farewell in episode 8 was “left open-ended for a reason” and promises, “We will be revisiting the Empty and getting an update on Jack very soon.”

Oh yay.  Just what I've been waiting for.  That's not a tease or a promise--more like a threat.

[ILoveReading]

And more of the same.
 

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TVLINE | Dean and Cas are in purgatory, it looks like, in the official photos from the episode. How does Dean feel about being back there as someone who has a lot of history with that place?
I think Dean goes in there thinking, “Hey, I’m just here to do a job, get this flower, get out.” Once he sees what purgatory is and gets an update on who’s around [and] who isn’t in purgatory these days, he has to confront the past a little bit more.

TVLINE | Are there some familiar faces waiting for them there?
Not in a specific sense. We wanted to focus on Cas, Dean and their feelings about being back here versus trotting out a fan favorite. That’s always great, we love to do that, but in this case, it felt like we wanted to focus on our core characters and what they’re going through.

 

This confirms we won't see Benny.  Also bye Benny.  It was nice knowing you.  More guilt and grief for Dean.  Just want the character needs.

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TVLINE | Being in purgatory together on this quest, does that force Dean and Cas to hash out their recent issues?
It forces them to start that process. Dean’s been hashing out his issues for 15 years. He’s always got more. But it forces him to reevaluate, definitely.

Sound like once again the burden is on Dean to change to make the relationship work. 

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TVLINE | Are there any more side effects to be had with Sam and Chuck’s shared bullet wound, or is Sam completely OK after Sergei pulled his soul back in?
I don’t think Sam’s completely OK. And even if the wound is healed, psychologically, Sam’s going to change quite a bit. I also think the way Chuck deals with Sam in this [week’s] episode is to show him some, what I’ll call, unpleasant truth, and those things will be lingering for Sam as we go forward.

What's wrong with Sam, version 58904358940

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TVLINE | And given how much time has passed since we last saw him, and we have no idea what he’s been up to in that time, can we expect a different side of Jack?
When Jack reappears, [death] will have changed him. Death or “death” always changes our characters, and he’s going to come back, not necessarily as a different person, but with a very clear mission.

Great ready for everything to revolve around Jack.

https://tvline.com/2020/01/16/supernatural-spoilers-season-15-episode-9-dean-castiel-purgatory-deaths/

 

[ILoveReading]

13 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

Well, if they want to start building towards Destiel...

I think redefine their relationship is going to be more along the lines of Dean realizing just how much he takes Cas for granted, even though the last 4 years its mostly been Cas only showing up when he needs something.

My guess about the "unpleasant truth" for Sam is probably going to be that everyone he cares about around him gets killed.  So he'll need redemption arc 43984390 as we head into the last few eps of the season. 

Edited January 16, 2020 by ILoveReading

[Bergamot]

23 hours ago, Myrelle said:

So who else thinks that Dean's main role in tomorrow  night's episode will be to apologize to Castiel?

Oh, and maybe to be God-like Sam's foil if there's any kind of argument or disagreement.

Can't wait. 🙄

Dabb sucks. 🤮

Oh, and let's not forget that this one is a Berens' episode, too.

So probably double the suckage. 🤮🤮

 

Yes, that's what I'm expecting too.  As you say, I can't wait. 🙄

And since this is Berens, I am expecting Dean to be either ineffectual, or a bully. Or hey, why not both?!

On second thought, I might better take the rest of my reply to B Vs J, even though it is about spoilers.

Edited January 16, 2020 by Bergamot

[ahrtee]

4 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I think redefine their relationship is going to be more along the lines of Dean realizing just how much he takes Cas for granted. 

Oh, I'm sure Dean will have to apologize, especially for not letting him be the leader and "putting him at the kiddie table."  (Yes, still bitter about that.)  But I was responding to the spec of a day or two ago that Dabb was pandering to the Destiel crowd to at least give them a nod and possibility.  Nothing I'd wish for, but it's Dabb, after all.  

[Myrelle]

27 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

And more of the same.
 

This confirms we won't see Benny.  Also bye Benny.  It was nice knowing you.  More guilt and grief for Dean.  Just want the character needs.

Sound like once again the burden is on Dean to change to make the relationship work. 

What's wrong with Sam, version 58904358940

Great ready for everything to revolve around Jack.

https://tvline.com/2020/01/16/supernatural-spoilers-season-15-episode-9-dean-castiel-purgatory-deaths/

 

🤮 🤮 🤮

 

[Myrelle]

46 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

Oh, I'm sure Dean will have to apologize, especially for not letting him be the leader and "putting him at the kiddie table."  (Yes, still bitter about that.)  But I was responding to the spec of a day or two ago that Dabb was pandering to the Destiel crowd to at least give them a nod and possibility.  Nothing I'd wish for, but it's Dabb, after all.  

They are kissing his ass as if he's Shakespeare and begging him for it every chance they get.

I can see it now-SuperSaintSam dies(or goes away with Amara-I haven't forgotten JP's "slip" either)-saving the world in a solely sacrificial manner(again)-leaving Dean and Cas to play My Two Dads to the new NougatBabyGod. 🙄

Edited January 16, 2020 by Myrelle
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[desiresrisked]

On 1/10/2020 at 10:53 PM, ahrtee said:

ETA: And, as @catrox14 says, if it's a contest, the one who's the best should be the one who competes, not just someone who "can do it too."  
"

We only see the one shot of Sam in the promo but since the description mentioned both being in the game this back and forth about whether Sam is a great pool hustler could be all for nothing if it’s a 2 vs 2 game (Sam and Dean vs whoever the hell).

[ILoveReading]

I dread the words, "Directed by Robert Singer' as much as I do "Written by Robert Berens"

[ILoveReading]

Oh, yeah, this is going to be a great episode for Dean.

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by ILoveReading

[gonzosgirrl]

11 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

Oh, yeah, this is going to be a great episode for Dean.

 

Sigh.

Cas lecturing dumb ol' Dean aside, how many iterations of 'we save the world' have there been in the last few seasons. Honestly, these guys wouldn't know original writing if it bit them on the ass.

ETA: I'm sure there is as much outrage about Cas calling Dean 'stupid' as there would have been if it were the other way around, right?

Edited January 16, 2020 by gonzosgirrl

[ILoveReading]

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Sigh.

Cas lecturing dumb ol' Dean aside, how many iterations of 'we save the world' have there been in the last few seasons. Honestly, these guys wouldn't know original writing if it bit them on the ass.

There were so many different ways they could have handled that instead of them having Cas call Dean stupid.  "Dean, I know you want to save Sam, if it was Jack I'd want the same but..."

[Aeryn13]

Great, dumb!Dean being lectured on not being so pathetic about Sam and actually caring about the world. Just what I love.

[Myrelle]

8 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

There were so many different ways they could have handled that instead of them having Cas call Dean stupid.  "Dean, I know you want to save Sam, if it was Jack I'd want the same but..."

It's Berens.

So no surprise to me that he chose that kind of dialogue.

 No surprise at all.

 

[gonzosgirrl]

14 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

There were so many different ways they could have handled that instead of them having Cas call Dean stupid.  "Dean, I know you want to save Sam, if it was Jack I'd want the same but..."

The only thing missing is Dean's groveling mea culpa and apology. I'm sure it's coming.

[Castiels Cat]

9 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

And more of the same.
 

This confirms we won't see Benny.  Also bye Benny.  It was nice knowing you.  More guilt and grief for Dean.  Just want the character needs.

Sound like once again the burden is on Dean to change to make the relationship work. 

What's wrong with Sam, version 58904358940

Great ready for everything to revolve around Jack.

https://tvline.com/2020/01/16/supernatural-spoilers-season-15-episode-9-dean-castiel-purgatory-deaths/

 

It does sound like no Benny which is a huge missed opportunity. Jensen liked him. Dean wants to resurrect him and considers him a bro. It's a no-brainer and he is a fan fav for many... far more than Eileen or Ketch. He is also a good third to Cas and Dean and could play counselor. He would be an asset to TFW 2.0.

Classic example of why these writers have no imagination and/or writing to f@# Jensen hurts the show.

[Castiels Cat]

22 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Huh. I really shouldn't trust my memory of the last couple seasons. I blame it on trying to forget most of what I've seen as soon as possible.

My thoughts on why he'd leave Alastair out of the story still stand though.

Maybe Amara "possesses" Sam to prevent Chuck from regaining his lost mojo. IDK. Maybe there is a pragmatic and logical reason.

[Myrelle]

You know, I've been thinking that there is a way that they could bring the NougatBaby back that I might not mind- if they  had him apologize to Dean(and Sam, but honestly?-mostly Dean) for murdering their mother and  making Dean have to live through it all over again AND if they had him lecture Asstiel on keeping secrets and how he could never understand how much it hurt Dean to lose his mother, not once, but fucking twice! in his life time.

I mean he supposed to be returning "changed"-hopefully that means he's been given the kind of wisdom that a new God for this world would need.

But I know.

This is Dabbernatural.

Let the LOLs begin...

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, Myrelle said:

You know, I've been thinking that there is a way that they could bring the NougatBaby back that I might not mind- if they  had him apologize to Dean(and Sam, but honestly?-mostly Dean)

And if his resurrection required Castiel to trade his life for Jack's.

Actually, if there is any justice in the world, Jack's resurrection would make Castiel so happy, he would immediately drop dead. Then Jack could apologize for costing Dean & Sam two of the most important people in their lives.

Edited January 21, 2020 by gonzosgirrl

[Aeryn13]

I kinda take this show one bad episode at a time at this point. 

Jack was teased in ep 9 but I don`t think he is gonna be back for real until ep 13? Destiny`s Child? Or 12 which should be Galaxy Brain? At least Dean invoked that term for Chuck in the last episode so maybe he is still gonna know it by episode 12 and it will deal with Chuck mainly. 

I kinda dread the upcoming ep the most. The promo sounds like humiliation porn for majorily Dean on overdrive. I think Sam sneezes and drops a few eggs? Not exactly super-meanspirited and humiliating stuff. And the promo pics? Garth has twins apparently (I guess this is where the baby Sam and baby Cas rumors came from) and you can see the brothers holding one baby each. See who is totally comfortable with the baby and who is not. Go back over the course of the show and especially the baby shifter ep and see how they have it backwards again because Dabb Dabb-ed.   

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, Aeryn13 said:

I kinda dread the upcoming ep the most. The promo sounds like humiliation porn for majorily Dean on overdrive.

Well Berens is super excited about it if that helps calm your fears. o_O

And this was his reply to someone who asked a very pointed question:

1 hour ago, Aeryn13 said:

See who is totally comfortable with the baby and who is not.

Seriously, if Dabb makes Dean uncomfortable/awkward with a baby, I will find him and punch his face.

Edited January 21, 2020 by gonzosgirrl

[ILoveReading]

8 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

you can see the brothers holding one baby each. See who is totally comfortable with the baby and who is not. Go back over the course of the show and especially the baby shifter ep and see how they have it backwards again because Dabb Dabb-ed.   

That picture looks much more like Dean and Jared, than Dean and Sam.

I think this will go a long way to giving me a clue as to which brother is going to live and which is going to die.   I think this is the way its going to go.  And as of right now I go back and forth on who it will be. ( I think Jensen would be happy if both brothers died together or retired together but I think he'd be unhappy with the brothers separated.  )

Right now I'm leaning toward Sam dying because Im sure he'll need redemption arc 867 because of the whole God thing. 

But if this ep shows Sam thinking about wanting to settle down with Eileen, then I'll probably go back to Dean dying.

 

Edited January 22, 2020 by ILoveReading

[ILoveReading]

8 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

you can see the brothers holding one baby each. See who is totally comfortable with the baby and who is not. Go back over the course of the show and especially the baby shifter ep and see how they have it backwards again because Dabb Dabb-ed.   

That picture looks much more like Dean and Jared, than Dean and Sam.

I think this will go a long way to giving me a clue as to which brother is going to live and which is going to die.   I think this is the way its going to go.  And as of right now I go back and forth on who it will be.  I think Jensen would be happy if both brothers died together,

Right now I'm leaning toward Sam dying because I'm sure he'll need redemption arc 979 because of the whole God thing. 

But if Sam is shown to be the one who can perfectly handle a baby, then I'll probably lean back towards Dean dying.

Edited January 22, 2020 by ILoveReading

[ILoveReading]

I can't link on my phone.  But just read that episode 14 is going to have a never heard of character who is deeply connected to Dean and Sam.  But he is big on manners and its Dean's biggest challenge ever.  

Disappointing that this is a Jeremy Adam's script  

[Myrelle]

9 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I can't link on my phone.  But just read that episode 14 is going to have a never heard of character who is deeply connected to Dean and Sam.  But he is big on manners and its Dean's biggest challenge ever.  

Disappointing that this is a Jeremy Adam's script  

Ugh. 🤮

Geez, I find this to be my reaction to pretty much everything we've gotten concerning the show this year.

What a surprise. 

Not.

And the season has felt interminable pretty much from the get-go to me, also.

And again, not much of a surprise-excepting that it's never felt even half this interminable before...*sigh*...

 

 

[catrox14]

30 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

 

Disappointing that this is a Jeremy Adam's script  

 It doesn't surprise me since I thought his Dean in ScoobyNatural was not that great. That he made him fun, sympathetic, empathetic and not skeevy in Last Call was surprising. Maybe Steve Yockey helped him with Last Call.

Or Dabb slapped his hand for not completely making Dean a douchebag idiot in Last Call.

[Aeryn13]

Greatest challenge ever? In a Season where God is supposedly the Big Bad? Why is there even time for such obvious cringey "humor"? The character didn"t need it before he got Flanderized and there is zero need to bring it up now.

[gonzosgirrl]

24 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Or Dabb slapped his hand for not completely making Dean a douchebag idiot in Last Call.

It does seem that new writers get one, maybe two scripts in before they are forced to drink the Koolaid. Looking at you, Meredith Glynn.

The thing is, Dean doesn't have the most impeccable manners, and I seriously don't give a fuck. He's polite and respectful to those who deserve it, and he's kind to children and old folks. Who cares if he knows what wine goes with duck or which is the salad fork? Some teasing is, or can be, fun and funny, but outright mocking or having him chew with his mouth open and food dribbling down his chin, not so much. I sincerely hope Jeremy Adams is of the former ilk. Since we're already getting the 'comedy' episode up next (and I am preemptively cringing) I hope we don't have endure yet another Neanderthal Dean episode with the few that are left.

[catrox14]

43 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

 

The thing is, Dean doesn't have the most impeccable manners, and I seriously don't give a fuck. He's polite and respectful to those who deserve it, and he's kind to children and old folks. Who cares if he knows what wine goes with duck or which is the salad fork? Some teasing is, or can be, fun and funny, but outright mocking or having him chew with his mouth open and food dribbling down his chin, not so much. I sincerely hope Jeremy Adams is of the former ilk. Since we're already getting the 'comedy' episode up next (and I am preemptively cringing) I hope we don't have endure yet another Neanderthal Dean episode with the few that are left.

I agree. And sometimes I blame Jensen, who enjoys some of the more OTT physical slapstick comedy and that doesnt help. It's the one area where I wish Jensen would dial it back, for Dean's sake. Then again, maybe he's just given up and is doing stuff for his comedy demo reel. I dunno.

[Castiels Cat]

On 1/21/2020 at 9:37 PM, ILoveReading said:

That picture looks much more like Dean and Jared, than Dean and Sam.

I think this will go a long way to giving me a clue as to which brother is going to live and which is going to die.   I think this is the way its going to go.  And as of right now I go back and forth on who it will be. ( I think Jensen would be happy if both brothers died together or retired together but I think he'd be unhappy with the brothers separated.  )

Right now I'm leaning toward Sam dying because Im sure he'll need redemption arc 867 because of the whole God thing. 

But if this ep shows Sam thinking about wanting to settle down with Eileen, then I'll probably go back to Dean dying.

 

They have set up Dean as the one God is really interested in and the one God cannot anticipate and the one that God is afraid of as a result.

They have set Sam up as the weak one that does stupid things. Shooting God was stupid. Falling for God's trap was stupid. Falling for God's bluff was stupid. Not using the blossom orb was stupid.

Jared likes the ending and Dean doesn't. Dabb says it's a final ending as in life or death finality.

JA probably wants them both to go out swinging. Jared did not like his s 8 domesticity plotline. 

I don't see Dean sitting on the sidelines with the current set-up because he is more valuable than Sam or Cas however it all depends on how Jack is resurrected. 

It made no sense that he was more powerful without his nephilim powers because he was using his soul and it definitely didn't make sense he was superpowered with stolen grace because that's not how it worked in a 9. Yeah he use that spell before he died.??!!

Now he still has no grace because Lucifer stole it and he really should not be resurrected with stolen grace and his soul is  long gone. God is not making him a new one.

[ILoveReading]

What annoys me more than anything is that based on the promo this doesn't look like a one off thing.  It seems this is going to be he norm going forward.

So Im guessing one brother will learn quickly and the other not so much.

[Aeryn13]

Just now, ILoveReading said:

What annoys me more than anything is that based on the promo this doesn't look like a one off thing.  It seems this is going to be he norm going forward.

So Im guessing one brother will learn quickly and the other not so much.

Yes, the promo kinda gives it away that Dean will be cocky, suck at pool and get put in his place. And from the drowning promo we know Sam will play - and natutally win then.

 

[Myrelle]

I feel like the only way for the Winchesters to "win" their  autonomy back is to refuse  to play Chuck's games-as Dean realized was the case back in Pacman Fever.

But I'm sure that Dean won't be allowed to come to the same conclusion by these asshat writers tomorrow night-because it's "Sam's turn" to be the hero in that way(again and some more), dontchaknow?...🙄

[ILoveReading]

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Got a Supernatural two-parter for you! I’m really digging the “new” Amara. When can we expect to see her again, and will Dean be contacting her about the Chuck situation? –Gigi Dean will be reaching out to her, showrunner Andrew Dabb tells TVLine affirms, “and we can expect to see her in a few months.”

Do you have any scoop on Supernatural‘s Sam and Eileen? I love them! –Elena “I think the Sam/Eileen relationship will evolve, but this isn’t a case where Eileen’s going to end up in the back of the Impala, riding around with the guys,” showrunner Andrew Dabb says. “She’s an independent person, Sam’s an independent person…. So I think you’re going to see them reach kind of a status quo that makes both of them happy, but maybe not get a rom-com ending, if that makes sense.

I'm leaning more toward Swan Song again and thinking that Jared's comment at comic con was a slip. 

Amara will be back just in time for the finale,  I'm thinking the finale is going to be Sam being possessed by Amara so he can kill God so Jack can take his place.  Dean will watch from the Impala.   Then go open a bar.

No wonder Jensen didn't like the ending.

Unless Dabb didn't know Eileen and Sam kissed in The Trap.  Which is entirely possible.

Edited January 30, 2020 by ILoveReading

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This still irritates me.  Why is the show acting like Sam and Dean have never faced normal problems before.  They have.  Dean knows how to fix the damn car.  He rebuilt it from scratch.

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So far the spoilers just make me not wanting to watch the train wreck.  I think Jensen has a better handle on the fans.  Jared is more about what he thinks is important for his character.  Hence the reason Jensen can direct and Jared not so much.

Dabb is in his bubble only listening to the group think.  This season hasn't been compelling and the stupid funny isn't something I'm really a fan of.  Lots of stupid funny movies I never had a desire to see and a few I did see when they were free and felt they were easy to pass on. 

I do get that being a actor portraying can be more interesting than watching but at this point I don't see the challenge or fun other than being silly on set.  Guess I just need to avoid the spoilers because I'm already depressed dealing with my real life situation...I don't need this too.