Helix - General Discussion

[ottoDbusdriver]

The levels of whackadoo on this show never disappoint -- Peter and Anne take an axe to all the dead coast guard personnel and dismember them in a fit of rage and toss the pieces in to barrels, followed by sexy time in the showers while cleaning off the copious amounts of blood.  Followed by Anne dressing Peter in Michael's clothes -- as they discuss plans to take back the abbey, and possibly the world full of sinners and unbelievers.  But first they need to break the naval blockade by stealing the mycosis cure from the CDC.

 

Kyle is responding well to the cure, and Alan gives him a mission to get the cure off the island.

 

Meanwhile, Julia and Tighttop Perkytits/Sarah continue researching Mother, but the root is definitely dead.  Alan walks in to find his child in a jar.  I'm still surprised that no one seems to be truly freaked out by the fact that they have baby in a jar.

 

Julia asks Anne about a painting of the tree that Mother came from, but the Anne assures her that Michael only knew where that location was, and even then the tree is now gone and Mother was the only piece left of it.  Anne tells Julia that she can access all of Michael's journals to try and find the tree, but she will need approval from Eli.  Eli is Peter's new name as leader of the Abbey, and Julie laughs at that.   Peter approves her request but wants immunity from prosecution for all abbey members, freedom from Ilaria's Narvik C distribution and 10% royalty on sale of the infertility apples ... correction, 20% royalty.

 

Eli/Peter tells Anne while Olivia is in the room to gather all the followers and make sure they are armed as they are going to take care of the CDC problem.  Olivia warns Kyle to get off the island with Julia, Sarah and Alan ASAP because they are going to be killed by Eli/Peter and his followers.

 

Julia steals the painting of the Mother tree, and Alan surprises her in the library where she is researching the painting -- and determines that the star positions in the painting should tell them where the tree was located.

 

Olivia tells Soren to hide as bad things are going to happen.  Kyle warns Sarah about the fact they have to leave or they will be killed -- and finally, someone (Kyle) is flabbergasted that there is a baby in a jar, and it is Sarah's baby whom he didn't even know was pregnant.

 

Turns out the number of followers left in the abbey is about 7 -- and they are all armed and headed for the lab as Kyle blockades the door and Sarah's loads her baby in a jar into a backpack.  As the abbey followers break into the lab, Kyle and Sarah escape but are held up because baby in a jar is leaking fluid.  Kyle chews up some Juicy Fruit and uses that to plug the hole, but Sarah is adamant that her baby can't live in a jar with a crack in it.  Sarah and Kyle decide to go find Anne to find more jars -- but Kyle knows that Anne and the rest are out to kill them, so that really makes no sense.  Kyle gets cornered in the lower levels and is rescued by Soren in a locked room -- as Eli/Peter meets Olivia right outside the door.  Eli/Peter kills Olivia for warning the CDC doctors they were about to be killed, and after Eli/Peter leaves Kyle consoles Soren and they he will take care of him.

 

We get a exterior shot of the abbey and all the trees have dropped their leaves and are dead.  Julia and Alan discuss the finer points of Ilaria and being immortal, before working further on the painting and they determine that the tree is in the abbey.  Alan and Julia enter the main abbey hall and start digging up the dais Michael spoke from -- and find the stump of the Mother Tree.

 

Anne and the abbey followers continue to search the abbey -- and Sarah gets the drop on Anne.  Sarah tries to get the info about the jars but Anne refuses until Sarah threatens Anne with a knife and stabs her in the foot.  Anne then shows Sarah the chamber of horrors/birthing chamber in the depths of the abbey and points her to the cupboard where the baby jars are kept, as Sarah threatens to cut off more of Anne's toes unless she releases all of the women in the room.  Which Anne begins to do.

 

Eli/Peter has a chat with the child that he seems to have adopted as his own.  Could this baby turn out to be Caleb ?

 

Anne trudges through the hallways of the abbey with her bloody foot into Eli/Peter's office and tells him about what Sarah's plans are to leave the island.

 

Kyle makes contact with the ships offshore from the island as Sarah joins him in the bell tower.  And a Chinook helicopter shows up pronto to airlift Soren, Kyle and Sarah from the bell tower but Eli/Peter starts firing at the helicopter with a heavy machine gun and the helo veers off.

 

Alan and Julia go searching through the tunnels under the Mother tree stump and find all kinds of roots, but while the roots are dead the fungus responsible for the mycosis is everywhere around the roots. As Julia details what they can do with the fungus, Alan pulls a gun on Julia.  As Alan tells her why he's doing this, Julia pulls a gun out of her bag and whips around points the gun at Alan -- and as the screen fades to black we hear one shot.

Edited April 11, 2015 by ottoDbusdriver

[WearyTraveler]

I don't mean to be rude, but I've seen this here and in other threads in the forum, so, I'm inclined to ask, why do people post a summary/recap of their own in the episode threads? Is that allowed?  I thought the threads for the episodes were set up so we could discuss the episode, not post a summary.

 

With all due respect, I already saw the episode, and if I wanted to read a recap, there are plenty of sites for that, so, what's the official policy?

[Meredith Quill]

There is no 'official' policy regarding the posting of personal reviews/summaries. If someone chooses to do that, that's fine, although a thread full of reviews wouldn't be encouraged, it isn't against our rules in itself.  It is a simple matter to scroll past them if they do not interest you. 

 

Thanks.

[MrPissyPuppy]

WTF happened to bottle baby?  

[Rhetorica]

That almost felt like a series finale. So Alan's immoral. I guess he and Julia eventually did find the way to San Jose. Does Soren have to stay on the island so the immortals don't find him and use his blood as a cure? Is the side effect of the plague immortality? Isn't that what Julia said? So there are even more immortals now. Sara has lots of babies to keep her busy, but did her baby really die? All we saw was a doctor shaking his head. And Michael, once again, survives with the corporation's help.

[MrPissyPuppy]

I thought the doctor was shaking his head about Alan.  

[thuganomics85]

Not sure what to make of this.  Not as balls-out at season one's finale was.  Needed more severed heads throwing!

 

Amy though, totally got messed up even more.  She really just wan't cut out for this, huh?  Totally underestimated Julia and Sarah (those two are unstoppable, when they work together, it seems), and her treatment towards Landry, really came back to bite her in the ass.

 

Everyone else pretty much made it back, but Peter was getting hauled off (they made it look like Kyle somehow set him up, by using the info Alan gave him, but that doesn't make much sense), Sarah may have lost her baby, Julia realizes that this is far from over, and now Alan is.... immortal?!  The hell?!

 

Meanwhile, in future land, the mysterious dude was Soren all this time, and his blood is the cure.  But, now, Julia is thinking of just killing herself, because she misses Alan.  Don't go!  Alan isn't worth it, Julia!

 

That ending was insane!

 

No word from SyFy yet about another season.  If we get another season, my reasons for coming back will be determined if Matt Long is still around to be campy, and if Kyra Zagorsky is still to look gorgeous and be awesome.  And, I guess we'll get another location.  I wonder what it will be this time?  First, it was the Arctic.  Then, it was an island.  So, what will the third season be?  Dessert? Underwater lab?  Space?!!

[ottoDbusdriver]

After the showdown between Alan and Julia  under the roots of the Mother tree, we open up the Day 13 episode to discover that Julia shot Alan.  Yay Julia !!  Except she shot him in the neck and he is bleeding profusely.  And Julia has taken Alan to the abbey's medical ward to patch him up.

 

Kyle and Sarah are trying to keep baby-in-a-jar alive while Kyle tries to contact the fleet offshore.  Sarah says they need to get off the island ASAP and is going to make a deal with the devil.

 

Amy is screaming as she stands in front of mirror and sees her new appearance, though she and Landry make quite the couple now.  Landry says she's beautiful, but I bet she can still give Landry BJs and handies.

 

Peter wheels Anne in a wheelchair (because I bet her foot still hurts) with Peter/Eli's adopted baby into the main abbey hall to discover that someone has desecrated the floor.  Anne also figures out that it is the remains of the Mother tree, and that with Ilaria's help they can gain money, power and control over lots of minions who will follow them.

 

All of sudden the electricity goes out throughout the abbey.  Now that's something I've never thought of -- where does the abbey get it's power from ?  Because they are definitely off the grid -- haven't seen any solar arrays or diesel generators anywhere, so where is it coming from ?

 

Soren wants to seek revenge on Peter for killing his mother, so when the power goes out Soren grabs and scalpel and heads out into the darkness.

 

As Julia finishes pathcing up Alan, we finally we get a 30 year flashforward to the exact same bed in the abbey infirmary where we find out that Julia has been laying for 5 days with Caleb looking after her.  when Julia tells Caleb she was in that exact same room 30 years ago, Caleb confesses to Julia that so was he.

 

Apparently Peter cut the power as he is walking down a hallway in the abbey with a lantern and a bunch of mason jars when Soren appears and stabs him in the leg with the scalpel.

 

Back to the future, Julia wants to know why Caleb stole Hitaki's sword.  Caleb removes the sword from its scabbard and notes the Japanese writing on it -- that they are letters, and as he reads off the letters Julia recognizes them as RNA sequences that would be a recipe for a virus.  Caleb agrees -- a virus like TXM7.  Which means that Hitaki likely created this virus in order to kill immortals which leaves Julia puzzled.  Caleb says he will tell her everything, but first she has to answer a question -- "Do you know the way to San Jose ?".  I knew that it was a challenge phrase way back in Episode 1.

 

As Anne rocks Peter's adopted baby back and forth in Peter/Eli's office, Amy and Landry show up.  Anne apologizes for the fact that she wanted; her to "lay with Michael", but now sees the error of her ways.  But Amy says its too late for that because despite her looks, Anne is a monster just like Amy and Landry  Amy really needs to get over this as she didn't actually go through with having to "lay with Michael", so no biggie.  Plus Michael has been entombed so he's no longer a threat.

 

Amy forcefully takes the baby from Anne -- I'm pretty sure Landry is going to eat it. </snark>

 

Julia and Alan argue over giving the Mother tree root to Ilaria when Sarah walks in with baby-in-a-jar in her backpack.  Sarah asks Julia to step outside the infirmary to talk about Julia's job offer for Sarah at Ilaria on the condition that Julia gets the CDC team off the island.  Julia agrees but when they return to the infirmary Alan is gone and he has taken the sample of Mother tree root with him.

Amy and Landry take the baby to the dorms in the abbey and Amy asks Landry to give her the baby, but Landry says no because when it comes to the baby "He's ... my ... friend".  Despite Landry's concerns, Amy takes the baby and places it on the top bunk bed in the room and they both leave the room.  Probably not too safe to leave the baby like that -- just saying.

 

Julia and Sarah continue to search the abbey for Alan, when they hear the baby crying from the dorms.  They both enter the dorms and find the baby crying on the top bunk and don't know who left in the abbey would do that -- when all of a sudden they are confronted by the women from the maternity room of horrors in the basement.  And they have knives and meat cleavers.  Julia figures out that they want the baby, which they give to them, they also want the baby-in-a-jar -- so Julia pulls a gun on them.  But the take the baby-in-a-jar anyway.  My question -- how did these women know that there was a baby-in-a-jar in Sarah's backpack ?  Anyhow, Sarah convinces these women to give her her baby-in-a-jar back to her.

 

Kyle finds Soren and tells him that he will take care of him, but he needs to know where he is at all times.

 

Alan trudges into the main abbey hall with a backpack and a gas can and starts dumping gas on the stump of the Mother tree and on the backpack containing the root samples.  As he pouring the gas, Peter/Eli shows up with an assault rifle pointed at Alan.  As Peter/Eli approaches Alan, he hits him with the butt of the gun.  Surprisingly, Peter/Eli continues pouring gasoline on the stump of the Mother tree.  Peter/Eli monologues that he had a lot of time to think after Alan left him in the oubliette and then stomps on Alan's hand.  Peter/Eli goes off on some tangent about finding love and family -- about family is what you make but not how you were born with, as he lights a match and prepares to drop he tells Alan that he is not his family.  And drops the match and lights the gas.  The fire forms a circle around Alan on the stump as Peter/Eli picks up his mason jars and heads out.

 

Kyle packs up the samples of the red sap from the bleeding tree and talks with Soren about naming the cure for the mycosis -- Soren suggests calling it Olivia after his mom.  Awe. Soren smells smoke and they head out of the lab to find that the entire abbey is now on fire across a large portion of the building -- wow, that escalated quickly.

 

Kyle calls a call on the satphone from the navy saying that they have spotted a fire on the island and are sending another helicopter at 0400.  Kyle says they have to find Sarah and Soren is not leaving his side.

 

Sarah and Julia continue to search for Alan and the bag of Mother root samples. Julia figures out that the fire was started by Alan to destroy Mother, but Sarah won't go with her because she has to get her child to safety.

 

Meanwhile, Amy wanders back into the dorm where she left the baby and re-lights her lantern only to discover all the women freed from the maternity room of horrors are there and they hold Amy down on the floor while Landry takes the baby and leaves her.  As the women start pulling out all of Amy's teeth -- just like was done to all of them.

 

Julia enters the main abbey hall engulfed in flames looking for Alan, and finds Alan still on the stump of the Mother tree.  Alan tells her that Peter/Eli has the Mother tree root samples (I'll have to check on that, I don't remember Peter taking them).

 

Peter/Eli helps get everyone still alive (which isn't a lot of people) out of the abbey, but Peter/Eli explains to Anne that he has to go back for the baby (even though he doesn't know where it is). As Peter/Eli goes back into the abbey, he encounters Kyle and Soren -- and Peter gets all pissy because Soren stabbed him.  Kyle tells Soren to never do that again, and then punches Peter/Eli and drops him to the floor. Sarah shows up and she, Kyle and Soren get the hell out of there.

 

Landry shows up outside the abbey and gives the baby back to Anne, but then turns to go back into the Abbey.  When Anne asks where he is going, Landry says "Home".

 

Kyle, Sarah and Soren approach the abbey gate as the helicopters arrive, they wait for Julia to show up.  Which segues to Julia and Caleb in the future with Caleb still asking Julia if she knows the way to San Jose ?  Julia then explains that she does know the way to San Jose and the fill sin the details on what happened -- as we see in present day that Julia and Alan are struggling to evacuate from the burning abbey.  Turns out that Julia and Alan got married in San Jose while they were waiting for a flat tire to be repaired.

And we learn that Caleb is really Soren, as Caleb removes a false eye from his left socket.  And Caleb says that he hasn't heard that name in a long time.  How does Caleb/Soren not recognize Julia ?

 

Cut to Day 14 and we get an overview of downtown Seattle, complete with Space Needle before cutting to Alan being wheeled on a gurney down a hospital corridor set the music of Dionne Warwick's "Say a Little Prayer".  So Sarah, Julia, Alan, Kyle and Soren all made it off the island and are at the hospital -- surprisingly none of them has changed clothes on the 20 hour trip back down the coast from St. Germain island. 

 

Turns out Peter, Anne and the baby also got off the island. As Julia confronts them, we find Madame Wallenburg in the bed next to Anne with all the mason jars full of the roots with the fungus.  When Julia asks how she knew to come there, Madame Wallenburg says they were still listening (whatever the hell that means) and she came, but when Julia asks about the release of Narvik C Madame Wallenburg says she has no idea what she's talking about.  So was the Narvik C presentation a scam by Ilaria to get Julia to go find Alan on St. Germain and get the mycosis.  I'm .....  confused.

 

Several federal agents meet with Kyle and ask him if he brought in Dr. Farragut and if there is enough proof to arrest him -- so Kyle tells him about the safety deposit box in Atlanta that Alan previously told Kyle about as his proof against Ilaria.  Only for some reason, the feds arrest Peter Farragut.

 

Meanwhile Sarah waits in the hospital waiting room, waiting for news on baby-in-a-jar.  As a doctor approaches, the beach scene from 'From Here to Eternity" is playing a a TV in the waiting room and the doctor shakes his head no.  I bet that Ilaria took her baby and paid the doctor off -- come on, it's Ilaria, that's the kind of shit they pull.

 

As Sarah looks in on Alan to tell him about the baby's demise, she finds Alan unconscious and on a ventilator so Sarah then looks herself in the bathroom in Alan's room.

 

Back to 30 years in the future, Julia knows that Alan is behind Caleb's challenge phrase and asks him why he is working with Alan, as Caleb slyly takes blood samples from his own arm.  According to Soren, Alan and Hitaki worked together to create TXM7 to kill immortals after Ilaria used the fungus to gain control of human procreation.  But they also came up with a cure -- a cure that is in Caleb/Soren's blood.  Caleb states that he was hidden away on St. Germain island until all the immortals were dead, and then offers the cure to Julia.  Julia refuses the cure because she thinks immortality is the plague -- and goes to smash the vial of Caleb/Soren's blood, but Caleb/Soren asks her to reconsider.  Julia states that she wishes she could see Alan one more time.

 

As Alan wakes up in the hospital bed and removes all the medical equipment attached to him, Dionne Warwick's "Say a Little Prayer" starts playing again.  As Alan washes his face and looks into the mirror over the sink, he discovers he has .... silver eyes.  Sarah obviously injected him with her spinal fluid and saved his life.

 

Cut to an 'Ilaria Fresh' food commercial, regaling viewers with how these fruits and veggies have been tailored just for them, and how eating these foods are good for your family.  The final tag line in the commercial is: "Ilaria Fresh -- Living life, living longer'.  Oh Ilaria, you are just so evil. 

 

As we see bunch of women in a lounge with extremely high-backed blue chairs and a woman hears her name called by a nurse.  The woman is led down a very red corridor and we are told that the year is 2029.  This woman is taken to an exam room and prepped by the nurse -- and after the woman starts asking questions, we can determine that this is a fertility clinic because the woman says she has a good job and a husband but doesn't have a child.  The woman states that this clinic has a 98% success rate, and the nurse tells her that the program entails a 9 month commitment and that she can get dressed to see the doctor now.

As the nurse leads the woman out of the room down the hall to a large room with a pregnant woman in a super-fancy medical suit in a cubicle that is then hoisted away -- and smacks eerily of a modern robotically controlled version of Michael's maternity ward of horrors from St. Germain island as we see hundreds of cubicles.  I hope they don't pull all their teeth out.  And as the doctor turns around to speak to the woman, it is Sarah in an Ilaria corp. medical smock.  WTF ?  Anyone want to take bets that all those women are being impregnated by the same immortal ?  Dun, dun, dun, dun.

 

No word from SyFy yet about another season.  If we get another season, my reasons for coming back will be determined if Matt Long is still around to be campy, and if Kyra Zagorsky is still to look gorgeous and be awesome.  And, I guess we'll get another location.  I wonder what it will be this time?  First, it was the Arctic.  Then, it was an island.  So, what will the third season be?  Dessert? Underwater lab?  Space?!!

 

My money is on space.

[natyxg]

That almost felt like a series finale. So Alan's immoral. I guess he and Julia eventually did find the way to San Jose. Does Soren have to stay on the island so the immortals don't find him and use his blood as a cure? Is the side effect of the plague immortality? Isn't that what Julia said? So there are even more immortals now. Sara has lots of babies to keep her busy, but did her baby really die? All we saw was a doctor shaking his head. And Michael, once again, survives with the corporation's help.

 

No. She meant that if the plague is immortality, then the cure for that is death. I guess finding out that the immortal plague was retaliation to the reproduction deal it wasn't that bad and she was okay with dying? Idk she seemed to have some sort of epiphany about immortals deserving to die and it being okay as long as they were the only ones dying with that plague. Guess Alan making it happen made it so just and special, cause Alan, Alan, Alan.

 

Anyway, I thought this was sort of meh. I was disappointed.

 

I was disappointed because I don't think the big reveals were that interesting. It was like meh. I think the one that I wasn't expecting, even though some people here speculated about it, was that Ilaria duped Julia. But whatever. I don't see the point of it other than just reminding us that they are oh. so bad. Why didn't they just storm the island and get it? Or ask Michael for it?

 

I hated, HATED Alan becoming immortal. After all he bitched about them, he didn't deserve immortality. Then again, I hate that guy so I wanted him to die.

 

I didn't like Amy's ending. She deserved something bad to happen, but I don't think that was fitting. I didn't get the impression that she had anything to do with the pregnant women in the basement. That was Anne. She was the one who deserved to be attacked by them and subjected to the same. I did like how Amy told Anne that she was a monster like she was, even though she didn't look like it.

 

I imagine that Peter got off because Ilaria would get him out. I wasn't sure I understood why Kyle told them the bank box that Alan said... did he make them think Peter and Alan were working together or something? Anyway, I did like Peter's speech about family and thought he ended up more interesting as a character this season, though an asshole who needed to die. Meanwhile, Alan continued to be just uninteresting and annoying.

 

I actually loved Sarah and Julia working together and wished that relationship would become more important to them than Alan's relationship with either of them. I loved it when Sarah said maybe they should let Alan die because his obsession with immortals was out of control. But of course they had to ruin it in the end, focusing on Julia and Alan's feee fee feeelings and of course Sarah had to make him immortal. Sigh.

 

Wasn't shocked about Sarah being a doctor for Ilaria at all. But I thought 14 years wasn't enough time for things to have changed so much and all men in the world have been rendered sterile.

 

Where is the show gonna go next season? I feel like they spoiled the future too much. But then again, it would've been disappointing if they hadn't. Their non-chronological structure this season was weird.

[ottoDbusdriver]

Unresolved things/forgotten Season 2 plot points/general questions:

 

• How did Alan discover Michael and his cult on St. Germain island and their relation to the immortals in the first place ?
• When Julia got to St. Germain island 30 years in the future, she was initially under the impression that Alan was on the island and wasn't surprised when Caleb took her to his marked grave at the remains of the abbey.  But since we just found out that Alan had gotten off the island and was converted into an immortal, how did Julia not know that he was alive ?  And why would Alan have put bones in his fake grave with directions to Hitaki's house on the island unless he eventually expected them to be found ?
• Whatever happened to Commander Winger's ship, the Manitou ?  Last we knew it had been infected with the mycosis -- was the Manitou that large ship was stranded and capsized near the island close by the cave where Julia was recuperating with Caleb's help ?  Because it kind of looked like it.
• What happened to Kyle as Soren/Caleb's foster parent/protector in the future ?  If Alan became Soren/Caleb's new best friend and made Soren/Caleb the only source of the cure for TXM7 and sequestered Soren/Caleb back on St. Germain island, where did Kyle go ?  And why did Soren/Caleb need Julia to answer his challenge phrase if he knew who Julia was ?  Soren/Caleb was right there with everyone at the end when they got to the hospital.
• What happened to Peter and Anne's adopted baby ? For that matter what eventually happened to Peter and Anne -- did they start a new cult with all their money from Ilaria ?
• What was in the barrels in the abbey ?  The barrels that Alan found that tooth in before Peter knocked him out.  Was it the food they were feeding the women in the maternity chamber of horrors ? And what was that stuff they were pumping into the toothless women in the maternity chamber of horrors -- applesauce ?
• Did Michael's cult make regular trips to the mainland to get supplies ?  They would have had to over the years in order to get things like the high-tech materials for those baby jars and processed materials for things like electrical cables, light bulbs, tools, the generator/power supply on the island and all that glass in windows of the abbey.  How would they have bought anything if they never had any money ?  Did Michael bring a ton of gold with him to the new world hundreds of years ago.  Considering virtually no one knew about them (since they were an isolationist cult) and outsiders weren't allowed on the island, that doesn't make sense.
• Since Julia showed up on St. Germain island in a boat and lashed it to the dock, does this mean that Soren/Caleb finally got off the island in the future ?
• Did the woman at the fertility clinic in 2029 know that the baby she was getting was going to the be child of an immortal ? Wouldn't she have wanted them to use her husband's sperm, so where was he ?
• We never did find out how Julia came to become a member of Ilaria's board so quickly after the events of Arctic Biosystems ?  And did the Ilaria board really go to all that trouble to dupe her about Narvik C distribution ?  And what happened to the Narvik cure that Julia gave Balleseros since Balleseros is now dead ?
• Whatever happened to Mademoiselle Durant and her little dog ?  And was she part of the Ilaria plan to get Julia onto St. Germain island ?
• What was the point of Peter/Eli and Anne chopping up all those Coast Guard security people's bodies and putting them in barrels ?  Other than a good workout and a way to work out their frustrations.
• When Julia released Michael from the oubliette 30 years in the future, she tells him that she is looking for a child and with its immortal stem cells they can find a cure for the TXM7 disease killing immortals ?  But Julia would already have known that Sarah got her baby-in-a-jar off the island as she had it with her in the hospital, and that it died. So what she says to Michael makes no sense.  So why did Julia come to St. Germain island in the first place ?
• In earlier S2 episodes, Soren/Caleb's left eye works perfectly fine.  So I'm thinking making Soren/Caleb as the guy on the island was some sort of last minute retcon by the writers.

[natyxg]

    How did Alan discover Michael and his cult on St. Germain island and their relation to the immortals in the first place ?

 

After Alan spent the entire fucking season all cryptic about what he was doing there, we still DIDN'T find out what he was doing there, did? At least I didn't get that impression at all.

    When Julia got to St. Germain island 30 years in the future, she was initially under the impression that Alan was on the island and wasn't surprised when Caleb took her to his marked grave at the remains of the abbey.  But since we just found out that Alan had gotten off the island and was converted into an immortal, how did Julia not know that he was alive ?  And why would Alan have put bones in his fake grave with directions to Hitaki's house on the island unless he eventually expected them to be found ?

 

I can believe that Julia didn't know about Alan's immortality. I think that was Sarah's doing and Alan could've just taken off or something. But the other stuff makes no sense. Why would she think he was in the island? Hell, what was she doing in the island? IIRC it was something about a cure for immortals, but I think she talked about it like it was stem cells from Sarah's baby, something about an immortal baby rumoured to be there. but she had to know that Sarah got off the island and why would she go back? Even if Julia lost track of her after they left the Island, there is no reason why sarah would go back with her baby in a jar. Or was there another baby? I don't think so.

    Whatever happened to Commander Winger's ship, the Manitou ?  Last we knew it had been infected with the mycosis -- was the Manitou that large ship was stranded and capsized near the island close by the cave where Julia was recuperating with Caleb's help ?  Because it kind of looked like it.

 

Yeah, that's what I understood.

 

   What happened to Kyle as Soren/Caleb's foster parent/protector in the future ?  If Alan became Soren/Caleb's new best friend and made Soren/Caleb the only source of the cure for TXM7 and sequestered Soren/Caleb back on St. Germain island, where did Kyle go ?  And why did Soren/Caleb need Julia to answer his challenge phrase if he knew who Julia was ?  Soren/Caleb was right there with everyone at the end when they got to the hospital.

 

THIIIISSS. That's what I kept thinking. He fucking know who she was.

    What happened to Peter and Anne's adopted baby ? For that matter what eventually happened to Peter and Anne -- did they start a new cult with all their money from Ilaria ?

 

No idea.

   

What was in the barrels in the abbey ?  The barrels that Alan found that tooth in before Peter knocked him out.  Was it the food they were feeding the women in the maternity chamber of horrors ? And what was that stuff they were pumping into the toothless women in the maternity chamber of horrors -- applesauce ?

 

I don't know what they were feeding them, didn't have to be applesauce, necessarily. As for the barrels, we saw Peter and Anne dissolve those corpses in them, so I guess that's what Michael did: he dissolved the flesh in acid and then threw the bones outside. Of the discarded mothers, I mean.

    Did the woman at the fertility clinic in 2029 know that the baby she was getting was going to the be child of an immortal ? Wouldn't she have wanted them to use her husband's sperm, so where was he ?

 

She said that the clinic had a 98% success rate. I got the impression that people don't know that the problem are the men and probably think there is some worldwide infertility problem. I mean, it felt to me like she didn't know the problem was her husband.

    Whatever happened to Mademoiselle Durant and her little dog ?  And was she part of the Ilaria plan to get Julia onto St. Germain island ?

 

I figured she was since she was the one who told her about Michael. And they never bothered to tell us why Ilaria didn't just show up at his door and asked him for his infertility thing.

 

   What was the point of Peter/Eli and Anne chopping up all those Coast Guard security people's bodies and putting them in barrels ?  Other than a good workout and a way to work out their frustrations.

   

When Julia released Michael from the oubliette 30 years in the future, she tells him that she is looking for a child and with its immortal stem cells they can find a cure for the TXM7 disease killing immortals ?  But Julia would already have known that Sarah got her baby-in-a-jar off the island as she had it with her in the hospital, and that it died. So what she says to Michael makes no sense.  So why did Julia come to St. Germain island in the first place ?

 

Mindtwin! But I don't think it was said anywhere that Sarah's baby died.

 

[ottoDbusdriver]

Mindtwin! But I don't think it was said anywhere that Sarah's baby died.

 

So was Sarah just sitting there in that waiting room waiting for Alan ?  Because I saw her backpack on the floor of what looked like the waiting room of a pediatric ward  (the toys, games, stuffed animals, etc.) and just figured that she had given her baby to the doctors to see if they could keep it alive.  And that after the doctor came in and shook his head it meant baby-in-the-jar had died and Sarah then went to tell Alan that the baby had died, but found him unconscious in his room not looking any better.  And figured that since she couldn't save her baby, she could at least save Alan.

 

But if baby-in-the-jar was still in her backpack, it just means that she was waiting for the prognosis on Alan -- and the doctor shaking his head meant that Alan was going to die. And when Sarah went to see him, she decided to save his life since he was the father of her still alive baby-in-the-jar.

 

I guess they left it vague enough that the writers could go either way (or a million other different ways ) it if there is ever a Season 3.

 

ETA:  Correction -- went back and took a look and spotted something I didn't notice before.  When Sarah is in Alan's hospital room, as she turns around you can see she has the backpack with baby-in-the-jar in it on her back.  Which means she didn't do a spinal tap on herself in order to save Alan -- she did a spinal tap on baby-in-the-jar.  Now whether baby-in-the-jar survived that procedure, who knows ?  Because I just assumed that Sarah somehow managed to do a spinal tap on herself, but this makes more sense (even though they didn't actually show her doing doing the process on baby-in-the-jar).

Edited April 11, 2015 by ottoDbusdriver

[Rhetorica]

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Unresolved things/forgotten Season 2 plot points/general questions:

• How did Alan discover Michael and his cult on St. Germain island and their relation to the immortals in the first place ?
• When Julia got to St. Germain island 30 years in the future, she was initially under the impression that Alan was on the island and wasn't surprised when Caleb took her to his marked grave at the remains of the abbey. But since we just found out that Alan had gotten off the island and was converted into an immortal, how did Julia not know that he was alive ? And why would Alan have put bones in his fake grave with directions to Hitaki's house on the island unless he eventually expected them to be found ?
• Whatever happened to Commander Winger's ship, the Manitou ? Last we knew it had been infected with the mycosis -- was the Manitou that large ship was stranded and capsized near the island close by the cave where Julia was recuperating with Caleb's help ? Because it kind of looked like it.
• What happened to Kyle as Soren/Caleb's foster parent/protector in the future ? If Alan became Soren/Caleb's new best friend and made Soren/Caleb the only source of the cure for TXM7 and sequestered Soren/Caleb back on St. Germain island, where did Kyle go ? And why did Soren/Caleb need Julia to answer his challenge phrase if he knew who Julia was ? Soren/Caleb was right there with everyone at the end when they got to the hospital.
• What happened to Peter and Anne's adopted baby ? For that matter what eventually happened to Peter and Anne -- did they start a new cult with all their money from Ilaria ?
• What was in the barrels in the abbey ? The barrels that Alan found that tooth in before Peter knocked him out. Was it the food they were feeding the women in the maternity chamber of horrors ? And what was that stuff they were pumping into the toothless women in the maternity chamber of horrors -- applesauce ?
• Did Michael's cult make regular trips to the mainland to get supplies ? They would have had to over the years in order to get things like the high-tech materials for those baby jars and processed materials for things like electrical cables, light bulbs, tools, the generator/power supply on the island and all that glass in windows of the abbey. How would they have bought anything if they never had any money ? Did Michael bring a ton of gold with him to the new world hundreds of years ago. Considering virtually no one knew about them (since they were an isolationist cult) and outsiders weren't allowed on the island, that doesn't make sense.
• Since Julia showed up on St. Germain island in a boat and lashed it to the dock, does this mean that Soren/Caleb finally got off the island in the future ?
• Did the woman at the fertility clinic in 2029 know that the baby she was getting was going to the be child of an immortal ? Wouldn't she have wanted them to use her husband's sperm, so where was he ?
• We never did find out how Julia came to become a member of Ilaria's board so quickly after the events of Arctic Biosystems ? And did the Ilaria board really go to all that trouble to dupe her about Narvik C distribution ? And what happened to the Narvik cure that Julia gave Balleseros since Balleseros is now dead ?
• Whatever happened to Mademoiselle Durant and her little dog ? And was she part of the Ilaria plan to get Julia onto St. Germain island ?
• What was the point of Peter/Eli and Anne chopping up all those Coast Guard security people's bodies and putting them in barrels ? Other than a good workout and a way to work out their frustrations.
• When Julia released Michael from the oubliette 30 years in the future, she tells him that she is looking for a child and with its immortal stem cells they can find a cure for the TXM7 disease killing immortals ? But Julia would already have known that Sarah got her baby-in-a-jar off the island as she had it with her in the hospital, and that it died. So what she says to Michael makes no sense. So why did Julia come to St. Germain island in the first place ?
• In earlier S2 episodes, Soren/Caleb's left eye works perfectly fine. So I'm thinking making Soren/Caleb as the guy on the island was some sort of last minute retcon by the writers.

Thanks for the recaps. They jog my memory about the episodes. I smiled at the scene from "Here to Eternity". A nice egg thrown in there. I FF through the Ilaria commercial thinking it was real, until the Duh! moment. I'm assuming Julia stormed off after being duped by Ilaria and didn't know the baby died or that Alan lived. Alan may have put bones in his fake grave to save Julia. He must have expected her to come back to the island after being infected. I hope Peter is still in an Federal oubliette and doesn't return.

[xaxat]

About the only good thing to come out of my experience watching this show is a renewed appreciation of Dionne Warwick (in a non ironic sense). I bought a "best of" and her songs with Bacharach and David are classics. 

[Rhetorica]

I think Soren/Caleb knew Julia. His question wasn't about proving her identity; it was about her recalling a happier time with Alan. I'm sure Alan told young S/C that story every day. So Julia went to a happy place before she died. If indeed, she died...

[natyxg]

So was Sarah just sitting there in that waiting room waiting for Alan ?  Because I saw her backpack on the floor of what looked like the waiting room of a pediatric ward  (the toys, games, stuffed animals, etc.) and just figured that she had given her baby to the doctors to see if they could keep it alive.  And that after the doctor came in and shook his head it meant baby-in-the-jar had died and Sarah then went to tell Alan that the baby had died, but found him unconscious in his room not looking any better.  And figured that since she couldn't save her baby, she could at least save Alan.

 

But if baby-in-the-jar was still in her backpack, it just means that she was waiting for the prognosis on Alan -- and the doctor shaking his head meant that Alan was going to die. And when Sarah went to see him, she decided to save his life since he was the father of her still alive baby-in-the-jar.

 

I think the doctor was referring to Alan because, IIRC, right after the doctor comes shaking his head we cut to Alan in the hospital bed all fucked up. Plus, I don't see why Sarah would give normal doctors her baby. They wouldn't know what to do with an immortal baby anyway. It makes more sense to me that she would take it to Ilaria and try to fix it herself, using their resources (both equipment and brainpower).

 

Now, how she got the fluid to make Alan immortal? I don't know, I hadn't thought about that. Good question, but I just figured it was Sarah who turned him, after having figured out how to do the procedure with Julia.

[Maverick]

 It seems the only viable way to bring this show back would be to start at the 30 years in the future point.  There's a few missing gaps (what happened to the rest of the followers on the island, to Peter and Kyle) but for the most part we know where the story ends up in the 30 years.   There's some story in the intervening time for flashbacks but not enough to carry a whole season.  Sarah, Alan, Julia and Adult Soren (and Sarah's immortal baby, still in a jar) could come back as the principal cast with a new villain/threat but but unless Peter and Kyle were turned immortal too at some point (and hey, why not) they'd be relegated to flashbacks.   Another thing with setting the show 30 years in the future is that the human population has been significantly reduced and technology has exponentially advanced (seeing how much it changed in just over a decade) so that the 'regular' world in the Helix-verse will bear no semblance to the real world at all....so they can go even crazier with the plots.  I think 13 days in space might be a safe bet.

[Stimpson]

I can't believe I spent 13 episode's worth of time watching this.  I lost track of how many times I rolled my eyes at it.  "Loved" how the fire went in a perfect circle around Alan, never threatening him.  

[MorbidPet]

I loved this. Would've loved it more if Peter would've died but at least Amy got hers. (I could also love the finale because of the major disappointment I felt over the Fortitude finale so basically any semi-good ending would cheer me up after that)

There just has to be a season 3 cause this is so frickin weird & awesome. Hatake needs to be back though. I would love for them to go back towards the vector/narvik virus cause it was just creepier than the yellow honey goo. Felt as though the cult was creepier than the goo this season. Looks as though I won't get rid of Sarah but I didn't dislike her as much this season to be honest. Kyle could be back too. And if it means I can finally see him die a gruesome death then Peter is welcomed back as well.

[natyxg]

Speaking of Hatake, what exactly was the deal with Soren stealing the sword and them implying that he killed Hatake, if Alan and Hatake made the virus together, and therefore Hatake would be a friend of Soren, too?

[Andromeda]

What is this show's fixation with turning pregnant women into mindless incubators? Because, um, that's not what happens when you become pregnant. In fact, healthier babies come from healthy, active mothers, as any of these medical doctors ought to know.

 

After the showdown between Alan and Julia  under the roots of the Mother tree, we open up the Day 13 episode to discover that Julia shot Alan.  Yay Julia !!  Except she shot him in the neck and he is bleeding profusely.  And Julia has taken Alan to the abbey's medical ward to patch him up.

...

 

My money is on space.

 

Thanks for the blow-by-blow summary. I felt like I had to have missed some scenes, I was left with so many confusing questions. But no, that's pretty much all there was.

[ottoDbusdriver]

That 'Ilaria Fresh' tv commercial reminded me so much of the fake ads for Veridian Dynamics from 'Better Off Ted'.

[leowtyx]

After reading through the comments, I think all my questions are answered.

[kikaha]

Where is the show gonna go next season? I feel like they spoiled the future too much. But then again, it would've been disappointing if they hadn't. Their non-chronological structure this season was weird.

They could go backwards in time: any number of prequels, to give the backstories of the immortals. 

[thuganomics85]

Whelp, it look like the show has been canceled.  I guess in this day and age, there is always a possibility someone else could pick it up, but I would be surprised that anyone would want to invest in this ball of crazy.

 

If this is it though, I do hope Kyra Zagorsky finds another gig.  I will miss seeing her on the TV.

Edited April 30, 2015 by thuganomics85

[ottoDbusdriver]

Whelp, it look like the show has been canceled.  I guess in this day and age, there is always a possibility someone else could pick it up, who I would be surprised that anyone would want to invest in this ball of crazy.

 

Not surprised it was canceled.  Pulling things out of your ass is no way to write a successful TV series.

Edited April 30, 2015 by ottoDbusdriver

[Just Here]

If this is it though, I do hope Kyra Zagorsky finds another gig.  I will miss seeing her on the TV.

 

She'll be on the final season of Continuum, although that's only a six episode season.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Unfortunate that the show was cancelled but not surprising. The second season was a pile-on of WTFery, what with the horrific Island of All Incest, All the Time. The loss of Hatake probably didn't help either. Seems like the producers must have had a clue because that last episode seemed like a show finale to me.

[diebartdie]

All I can say is good riddance.

[natyxg]

Well, this is not surprising. I'm kind of amused that in the end Ilaria won, but I'm bummed there were some loose ends.

 

Did the baby ever get out of the jar, damn it?!!

[Rhetorica]

Well crap...

[FormerMod-a1]

Not surprising, but I'm still going to miss this crazy crazy show.

[catray]

I kind of loved how over the top, crazy WTF this show was, but yeah, not terribly shocked it's been canceled. Still, I was kind of hoping we would see where they would go next. Ah well!

[MammaB]

Made it to season 1 episode 4. Not sure why they're defibrillating a patient who's in asystole. Or why they're short on oxygen as if they were in a outer space, when the air outside the base is full of oxygen. Or why CDC specialists would behave like idiots without even basic knowledge of infection control. Or why the major (who looks awfully young to have made that rank) is running around with a popped collar,  rolled up sleeves,  and generally out of uniform. 

[MammaB]

S1:E6 how was Peter able to stay alive without being on a ventilator while being taken down to the cryogenics lab, if he was ventilator dependent?

[meira.hand]

On 1/24/2015 at 5:11 PM, shapeshifter said:

I assume it's a physical condition like my father's (a form of acid reflux), which is very sad since my father used to have a deep, resonant voice.

Sort of very late to it (just decided to watch the second season) so I looked for interviews with him from that period and his speaking voice is clear and deap. SO I guess its an acting choice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc8m2T7EAsc

[shapeshifter]

3 hours ago, meira.hand said:

On 1/24/2015 at 9:11 AM, shapeshifter said:

I assume it's a physical condition like my father's (a form of acid reflux), which is very sad since my father used to have a deep, resonant voice.

Sort of very late to it (just decided to watch the second season) so I looked for interviews with him from that period and his speaking voice is clear and deap. SO I guess its an acting choice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc8m2T7EAsc

Very clear voice! 
And so late that I had to click the link to see which party you were late to, heh.

Apropos of nothing, I posted that in January 2015; when my then-91-year-old father passed in October 2015, it was revealed that he suffered from advanced (miss-diagnosed) Parkinson's, which had effected his voice and ultimately prevented him from swallowing or breathing.